Certainly, yes! I for one, would love to see any kind of evidence which proves that ES is sponsored and run by ET. I do however know for a fact that ES has been legally restricted from displaying any kinds of comments about ET.

Is there no way these fraudsters can be reported to authorities?

Wow! Congratulations for ur new PC. Btw, what brand r u going in for?

Dont you guys sleep?

Very true.....

You really have an absurd notion of the writing industry. Most of my return clients are those who are highly satisfied with my performance.

Pumping money in a business does not gaurantee its success and durability.


Are you sure its "benefitting"?

In my wrting career so far, I have written for numerous clients, through companies and directly and can safely affirm that most clients submit papers "as they are" rather than using them as resources.

Clients often request editing for trivial things such as changing the title of the paper or even appropriately indenting the bibliography page. In fact, when writing personal statements too, some clients request revision for inclusion of additional personal input, which confirms that they will be submitting the paper in the original form.

As for my direct clients, they provide honest feedback stating that "you have recieved an A or 90% or 80%" which affirms that the papers are never altered before submission.

Hence, I personally do not think that a majority of clients would use papers simply as reference materials after paying a price for them.

Better late than never.

Welcome!!

:) You surely do have an excellent sense of humour!

BINGO!!!

I assert this once again. This industry IS based on fraud and deception.

It's like arguing whether the sale of drugs to the youth and future of a country is based on moral and ethical grounds and whether those who engage in such practices adhere to the so called rules and laws of legitimacy.

First provide a platform to cheat and when you get competition, design laws, rules regulations to prove supremacy!!

Isn't this practice common to majority of those who post here, including you?
WB, no offense, but, aren't you too hiding behind a distinct identity on this forum.

And whatever makes you think that established writers are Only dependant on writing companies for work??

Deception is the very basis of this business. When papers are bought and sold to be submitted to get a higher or better grade, isn't that deception? Aren't both parties equally responsible for the fraud?

How can the act be ethical when conducted by an American company/writer and unethical when an ESL writer/company engages in such acts?

Revelation about the identity of writers is a secondary issue. Its like debating that an act of theft conducted by an American is acceptable but the same act when conducted by an individual of some other nationality is not.

Obvioulsy, when the very nature of a business is based on extremely shaky grounds, the debate about morality seems absurd to me.

WB, should I assume that if a writing company operating on the web, does not reveal its true location or the identity of its writers, you would affirm the company to be legitimate?

In such a case, would there would be no issues about legitamcy of such a business?

I am not posting baseless conjecture as facts, its my personal opinion.

The fact that I am trying to reiterate here is that providing academic help to students is unethical and immoral.

Those who condemn such acts should not be in this business, simply because such acts are tantamount to cheating and fraud. Irrespective of who conducts the fraud (American or other ESL companies) the magnamity of the fraud is not reduced.

Whether you like it or not, the fact remains that ALL writing companies are to a greater or lesser extent engaged in fraud, because they are providing academic help to students.

Now thats a valid argument which affrims that ALL writing companies are fraud.

Why debate about legitimacy when the very basis of the argument affirms that providing academic aid to students is unethical. Those who worry about legitamacy should clearly not be in this business at all.

Now this is something which I've never heard before.

Is this industry really getting so dirty?

R U Nuts?

This is not a place for religious sermons!

Well, thanks. But there are sooo many paper mills. I'd need specific keywords to locate the appropriate company.

Most companies do not reveal the identity of their writers. So how in the world would you know which fraudulent writer/s have caused you to suffer so much?


How can you speak for ALL the companies. Have you experinced the same situation with all of them at all times.

Interesting.... I'm working with a company which pays anthing b/n $8-$12 depending on the flow of orders and the complexity of the paper. However, the rates drop down terribly when the season is slow.

I'm impressed that companies pay set rates of $15 to $18 to their writers.

Hellooooooooo, Look Who's Talking!!!

Lets for a moment believe what You're saying to be true........Now, why are you so aggressive in your campaigns? Don't you have any personal motive?

And please, don't tell me that you want to save students from a fraud site.

I think that experince is the best teacher and a site you may consider to be fraud could actually work wonders for a student in desperate need. The final outcome depends on the kind of writer you get, experienced and professional or inexperienced and incapable.

Look, I have nothing personal against you, but you have made me sit up and take notice.....

Why in the world are you digging old graves, when you aren't even getting a response?

WB doesn't seem to around here or clearly not in the mood to respond.

Why waste your time and energy?

HUH??!! Proof?


I think a similar accusation was made at an earlier instance. Wonder if it was by the same person.

Its a technical error. I know you're not the one who believes $5 to be high.


Thats appalling!! How and why in the world do writers write for such low rates?? Its truly amazing.

Well, actually not, cos you may be honest and a terrible writer or, dishonest about your location and a fantastic writer.

When placing an order, clients seek professionalism and excellence; honesty is a personal and highly subjective issue.

High?? You gotta be kidding!!!

You'll find plenty of them on google.

Some sites ask for previously written papers while others may want you to write on a particular topic.

You're clearly in the wrong place!

Why did you apply?

What is that supposed to mean??

Pls don't jump to any conclusions..........She's probably not interested in wasting her time debating with you anymore!

You certainly did, and it suits her fine, sounds good too!!


Do what you are Best at.....continue helping people in your very own style, nice and sensitive.


Well, you have had your say......Besides, I firmly believe that in some cases, Silence does speak a thousand words.........

I sometimes feel that she gets too personal and too involved in everything and clearly lacks sensitivity. Most of the times she is cynical and bitter which is what makes her so undesirable to many here.

Personally, I try and avoid getting into arguments but sometimes she gets judgemental....Like when she speaks of India and ESL writers from India so poorly, its truly terrible....

GOD! Whats with the two of you?

Lav, I've respected you for your intelligence and sensitivity and seriously think that you really don't need to engage in this argument to prove your point.

I for one, am aware that you wish people well and are intrinsically nice.....Its disturbing to see you in this mode.....

Appreciate this........but am really curious to know HOW in the world you find the time to be here all the time. Its really difficult to believe that there is no financial design to benefit you, so that you spend ALL your valuable time arguing and defending on this forum.

As a freelance ESL writer I have my hands so full that despite the domestic help I have,(3 maids; something which is a luxury in the US) I find it difficult to do many things (like visiting the forum), leave alone arguing with every single prson who posts here!

Surely it doesn't require Bond's brain to see what I see. The focus which you display on this forum appears to be based on much more than firm belief!

Again, Its hard to believe that you are in NO Way associated with the writing industry. If you are not a writer and are not hired by an American writing industry to defend them or demean companies from other "poor" countries, why are you here?

I'm not saying you shouldn't be here, I'm simply asking you, so please don't get personal.

You rising popularity on the site proves that your style of writing is immensely appreciated.

I'm currently writing for some companies and am aware that writers are preferred (by the company as well as clients) only when they deliver quality work.

GOD! Criminal minds!


Self flattery? I thought you already knew? With the steady stream of projects in your kitty, it shouldn't be hard to guess........

Sure:) Looks like.....

Obviously you cant.

what do you say to this: scribd.com/doc/2264068/India-has-the-worlds-most-richest

and this

rediff.com/money/2006/jul/08india.htm

And on what basis do you call India a "Poor" country?