I am using one name, and one name only, and again you are not in charge of what is "supposed" to happen here.

Isn't that up to the people running the forum?

I can only guess what company you are referring to, but I am not here to represent any company nor do I think any of my posts can be read that way. Your paranoia is preventing you from any semblance of objectivity, I fear.

So, you reported what you claim to be a fraud to these legal entities, and no action was taken? Did you have as much difficulty providing these departments with facts as you are having here?

You have been repeatedly asked for evidence supporting your claims as well, yet you typically ignore them. Your claims that WritersBeware is a company owner and that Pheelyks operates by reporting students to universities, for example: any evidence for either of these statements?

Why are you so paranoid about WritersBeware? Is it because her claim that you are a serial plagiarizer has merit?

Whatever the motives were, the information was valid.


I have heard three different stories about why WritersBeware was banished from the forum, one from each of the three different posters who still seem to care. Does anyone actually know what happened?

If this were true, the "deception" would be a legal necessity for operation in many locations.


This is generally true, though there are of course registered companies that are generally more trustworthy if only because their operations can be examined and interrupted by legal issues if fraud occurs.

Also, though, writers will tend to put their efforts where the pay is better. Company work might not be lower quality, but better writers will tend to work directly with customers as much as they can, leaving others to do a great deal of the company work. The situation is more complex than presented in the dichotomy you describe.


Very true. Again, the situation is more complex when it comes to the link between competence and English-language status; there are highly comptent ESL writers that nonetheless make grammar and usage mistakes that would not be expected of a native speaker, and native speaking writers that will use language unexpected for an ESL student. Students need competence first and foremost, but competence includes language mechanics.


Unequivocally true. The only country that matters, after a writer's competence and appropriateness has been established, is the country to which a payment is sent. If making a payment means the money is completely irretrievable, think twice.


I don't think anyone ever credited WritersBeware as the sole reason any scams were exposed. It also seems as though most of the scams exposed here, by WritersBEware and others, are still in operation. I don't know that an industry such as this, which operates in a very grey area of the law and has a constant source of new and inexperienced customers, truly can be cleaned up, but WritersBeware was certainly effective at responding to requests for information about various companies and often substantiating those responses with off-site evidence. It seems like using a spoon to keep back the ocean, but it was something.

I have to agree with michael890 here. WritersBeware presented a lot of off-site evidence supporting claims made of fraud, whereas you have yet to provide any.

I continue to here vague assertions from you and others about the horrible history of this forum and the cleansing that occurred, yet concrete details and links to threads tracing this horrible history are conspicuously lacking.

This is my general approach, as well. If other people can learn about it, I don't see why I can't learn about it, too. Obviously there are still some things beyond my capabilities--advanced physics and chemistry are beyond my expertise, and I can't help with anyone's calculus--but almost any type of research paper is well within my reach.

By which you mean what, exactly?

This isn't true. Most native speakers that I know (and I know many) don't try to write professionally and would loathe the task of writing essays for a living. There are also unquestionably some native writers that shouldn't be writing, in this industry and in other areas. I don't think anyone has advanced the argument you suggest (that being a native English speaker is the only qualification for being a good writer).

I also don't see the problem with the essays you've linked to. They're not the greatest, but there's a decent amount of citation, critical analysis, and so on. You've also obsessed over Pheelyks' supposed incompetence in all areas of writing, yet here acknowledge that "the guy could write 2-3 paragraphs without making glaring grammatical errors." The more you and editor75 go on about how stupid and crazy "the guy" and WritersBeware were, the more stupid and crazy you seem.

From what I've read (whih is admittedly limited), I wouldn't have a problem with either of them. As I said, the only people here that seem to have a problem with them are the three that used to argue with them constantly anyway and still can't let it go. No one else cares.

That isn't expensive at all. It's actually really cheap, which ought to be a warning sign. At most, you can expect that the writer will be getting about 50% of what you paid, meaning a maximum of $19/pg. I don't know any qualified native writers that would accept this, especially not for a 24-hour deadline on a typical graduate level paper. You should expect to be paying at least $50/pg. for such services at companies, and $35-$40 if working directly with a writer.

Just as the discussion in another thread demonstrated, you get what you pay for in this industry. Any decent writer is going to be busy enough during most of the year that they will not agree to complete work without getting paid--it's a waste of time. Also, any customer that wants work for free is likely to end up getting what they paid for.

I would recommend that you target the ESL market where your work will be most appreciated. You will have a hard time making a decent living at this until your English is not recognizable as coming from a foreign speaker.

You are the only poster here more vulgar than WritersBeware, so if anyone has "picked up the mantle" of the craziness you claim these fellows perpetuated it would have to be you.

I think that about wraps it up.

Well, it did improve the second time, when you went back and added some of the missing "the"s (you need to add a few more, by the way), but there are still some major problems with grammar and clarity. It also fails to provide any concrete information about the causes or potential outcomes of the "fiscal cliff." I know it's only 100 words (I still think 200 would have been better), but it really doesn't sound as though the writer has a clue what he/she is talking about--it sounds like this was poorly spun from several news articles.

If this is the type of work your company produces, I stand by my earlier statement: free work isn't worth the cost.

Where are your sites from, stu4?

That would be a start.

I get along fine with most people here, and we've had many constructive discussions. You are confusing yourself (and possibly editor75) with "everyone," when in fact you're the two people that no one here seems to get along with. I'm just more vocal about questioning your motives.

As you have already asked and I have already answered, this is my first and only username here. Now as I have asked and you have yet to answer, why do you come here if you are no longer in the business and hate everyone in it, customers, writers, and companies alike?

Your uselessness is exceeded only by your paranoia, th63. I've read many of WritersBeware and pheelyks' posts (because you and others like you keep reviving old threads), and while both could be very aggressive and WritersBeware is outright curde much of the time, your assessment seems more than a little hyperbolic. The only people who complained about them in the threads I've seen, in fact, are the three people still here insulting them.

I'm really not too interested in debating you on this point. The free samples on your site are decent (though rife with common errors), but do not necessarily reflect the quality of the work you can produce.

How about this: since you're willing to provide free samples, why not provide one here? If you can produce 200+ words on the current "fiscal cliff" problem the US is facing and its implications for the US/global economy in the next few hours, my skepticism will be substantially reduced. If the quality is as good as you say, it could only serve to better advertise your company.

By the way, if you were trying to point out some sort of error I made, you'll need to be more specific. I don't see any problem in the line you quoted.

I'm not swinging, editor75--I have no desire to "charm" you. You work in an industry you claim to hate, you offer almost no concrete advice or information, and you insult people for no other reason than they disagree with you. You are not charming yourself, nor are you worth any effort to be charming towards.

As for who is "striking out" here, that's three chances you've had to clarify what your snide and cryptic comment meant, and three times you've left us to assume that it's just more of you being an impotent whingy assh*le.

I think BrianJ was asking about clients rather than companies hiring writers, though your sarcasm does actually identify a real problem this time. If writers stopped working for these scam companies they'd be much harder pressed to keep plugging away as they do.

The reason I say that I still don't know anyone that offers free work that is worth the cost is because everyone I've seen offering free work has questionable English skills, such as those evidenced in this response. If you were capable of producing the same quality of work as I and many other writers here, you wouldn't have to offer free samples to draw customers in--you'd have more work than you could handle most of the year.


Honestly, I've never known anyone that used your services at all. If your advertising is any indication of the quality level of your service, though, students looking for solid and consistent language mechanics will be disappointed.

As FreelanceWriter said, A and B are not good options. Option A can simply be faked (and resumes are pointless), and Option B is something any decent writer wouldn't be wasting their time with--while I understand first-time customers' fears, I do not have the time to repeatedly perform "writing tests" to convince people that I'm good at what I do. Email discussions should provide enough evidence of language skills.

Option C, with customers placing small orders until trust has been earned and using reliable methods of payment, is the only way to approach most decent writers. I still don't know of a single writer/service that provides any work for free and is actually worth the cost, present company included.

You and th63 have the same style. You get very angry and self-righteous when you feel affronted, but are apparently incapable of replying in a substantive manner to direct questions. It might work well with your horses, but it doesn't do much for you here.

Why do you and editor75 care so much about these two? They've been gone for months, haven't they?

That advice isn't entirely consistent.

This seems like a very strange sentence until you look higher in the thread and see this.


Then you realize that this new poster is using some sort of text spinner to make his or her forum posts. "Best" becomes "simplest," "turn" becomes "flip," a few random words are added and some other minor tweaks are made. The result is still almost gibberish, of course, and hardly worth the effort assuming the poster is trying to hide their own English inadequacies.

If I were a student who paid for some assistance from timesaverwriter, I would not want my email address randomly thrown up on a public forum during a dispute with a completely different customer.

There's some personal information in here that really ought to be deleted, primarily the email address of a client totally uninvolved in the incident.

It takes work, but I like it better than I would like many other jobs.

"Possible" is probably different for everyone, but Professor Verb's $80,000 ought to be in reach for a solo venture, I would say.

You seem to know a fair amount about it for someone who's never had any issues with plagiarism. How's that?

I'm sorry I "unleashed" a comment you found so offensive, editor75. Given your open derision for anyone else here, though, I thought it was pretty spot on. Tell me, how would *you* characterize the majority of your posts here?

Why would a professional writer need to beat turnitin in the first place? I've simply never plagiarized, and I've never had a problem.

Do you have a second job (other than being a wealthy published author), editor75? This thread seems to be filled with people who do this full-time for their living, so I'm not sure what this comment is supposed to mean unless it's one more bit of nonsense through which you are trying to insult people who are simply better at what they do than you are.

Before, absolutely. After is possible, I'm sure, but I can't tell you from experience.