So you are neither a writer, nor a company owner. And you're still trying to tell them what they should / should not do.

It's like a person who has never driven a car was trying to instruct an experienced driver how they should drive.

No wonder you are frustrated and nobody wants to listen to you. Become a writer or company owner FIRST and then come back with logical and legal ideas. Don't be a thoughtless tool because this forum is being frequented by educated and intelligent people (mostly).

Exactly the same applies to essay writing websites; maybe that's why you refuse to invest $400 to start your own writing business and preach about how everything should work (in theory) instead.

"At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can break the relationship with no liability."

google.com/search?q=define%3A+at-will+employee

Freelance writers are not 'at-will employees.' They are independent contractors and that means they cannot be employees at the same time. All freelance writers have liability - if they accept a project and they break the relationship before they deliver the project then they will not get paid for the time they have already spent on doing the project. All freelance writers get paid for the RESULTS of their work only.

You, again, try to fool the public with your illegal and false statements.

I guess nobody is looking forward to reading anything you post on this forum anyway.

Show us one website (out of a several hundreds or more) that treat their freelance writers as legal employees (ie. issue them W2 instead of W9). Why do you pretend not to know the legal difference between the employee and the independent contractor? Still, you always want to call them 'employees.' Why do you intentionally try to deceive and misinform the public?

Legitimate companies respect independent freelance writers they work with because it's an equal relationship (both parties benefit from the arrangement).

So you are mad that independent freelance writers (half of whom work on weekends or take sporadic jobs at their own schedule and convenience only) have an opportunity to make extra money instead of living on a dole? You want to take this opportunity away from them too?

I can only imagine what a single stay-at-home mom who can afford to buy baby food thanks to the opportunity to write from home for money would say to you if she met you in person. SHAME ON YOU!

smirk, how many companies do you own? One or more?


Writers who are not content with the rates offered by companies take more private clients and get better rates.


Some companies only outsource to ESL writers and they are still doing well. You get what you pay for.


Educate yourself about the employment law first.

BINGO.

But editor75 refuses to comprehend this simple fact and is wasting everybody's time. Mod - please close this topic.

That's what birds are twittering.

I agree, (as long as)

1. Air pilots (who are also independent contractors working directly with airlines' customers and producing '100% of the work')

2. Surgeons in hospitals (who are also independent contractors working directly with hospitals' patients and producing '100% of the work')

get 60% of all the money:

1. Spent by their passengers on board.

2. Spent by the patient or insurance to cover the operation cost.

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And there's no need to mention that 'pilots or surgeons have their associations' because there are dozens if not hundreds of freelance writers associations too.

My only question is which of the 'recommended' websites you're trying to shill. My bet goes to s2papers.com. Are you an agent of that site or the owner? Did you come up with this 'clever' (as you thought) idea yourself or you read about it on some 'make quick buck' forums?

Right; everyone who invested $400 in building an essay writing-related website is sitting on a throne because all they needed to do was to build a website and money is pouring in.

Try it; it's so 'simple' after all. Go to a getacoder.com or similar, describe what kind of website you want, enter your budget, and voilà!

And please don't report your earnings because pheelyks might get jealous.

Let me write it down; people will be awed any time I post this as my evidence ;).

?phrase=essayacademia - EssayAcademia search

I'm wondering why you don't write in your native language for Pakistani students. Don't you like your native language or something....?

All legitimate writers who posted here suggested your ideas are insane and unfeasible.

Your ideas are laughable and illegal.

To my understanding you are a partner (most likely one of his writers) of 'Amon Essays', not a real client.

It takes months or years to build some respect and credibility here; you signed up a couple of weeks ago and try to run this place. I guess it's not a good way to go..

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs might think they're receiving what they're worth, but according to you they must be delusional. Why don't you contact them and educate them how stupid and limited they are to be content with the limits of their situation.

After all, they could achieve so much more.

Only illiterate imbeciles aren't being self-aware, cannot see their situation from different perspectives, and don't know what they are worth. People in vegetative state are also self-unaware..

Editor75, I think you must know about a perfect place where one can enjoy life and do nothing at all but still get all the benefits we all deserve. It is a perfect situation, I agree. I don't want to work but do want all those benefits. I want no worries, no bills, no bosses, no deadlines, no work, no taxes, no stupid people to deal with, no illnesses, no pain - all I want is freedom, peace of mind, good health, and happiness! I guess I could use someone to clean after me, cook for me, pamper me, do my laundry, take care of my kids, and pay my bills. Where's the place? Please do tell! We're all moving tomorrow.

So you think highly educated and experienced writers with college/Masters/PhD degrees are illiterate imbeciles and they don't know what they're doing. Okaay, you got their attention.

Independent freelance writers are not in a spinning wheel (you probably confused them with sad employees sitting in their cubicles); freelance writers are free running around in their backyards whenever, however, and anywhere they want.

They may have unions but only because an individual pilot or doctor cannot afford to buy and operate their own airplane or hospital.

Freelance writers have no need to have a union or any other kind of a 'professional organization' because all they need is a free email account to start working on their own.


Not only more complex. In fact, the company would have to withold about 30% of your pay as taxes of foreign employee. Living in the UK, you would never see this money or get any "benefits" (not too many benefits either way).

It seems the official goals of 'editor75' are to:

1. Organize freelance writers and make them fully dependent on their employers.

2. Make all freelance writers as poor as a church mouse (employers would pay them a minimum wage, if anything, having no ability to control them).

3. Make writers do projects they have no interest/ability/desire to work on and on schedules of their employers, not their own.

4. Kill all the benefits of working online from any country you like.

Same applies to doctors in hospitals. Oftentimes, they just rent a space in hospitals and work as independent professionals. Why hospitals don't pay them 70% of what they charge? Have you contacted pilots and doctors yet?

The solution: Do not go with a company and take orders only from your own clients. You have 100% of the skills, expertise, and tools. Hire a marketing manager, a website designer, a PR person, a sales person, and you can kiss goodbye to all writing agencies. Pay yourself all the perks, and bonuses, have as many sick days and vacations as you want, work only a few hrs a week at $100 per page. Isn't that simple?


You get the full project specifications + the deadline before you take any order. If you take a 80-page dissertation due in 3 days then it's only your problem how much time you had to spent on it.


Without pilots airlines are grounded. In your narrow mind, pilots do 100% of the job and they should be paid 70% of all the money spent by travelers. Right?

There are several honest writing companies that you can make a stable income from. The point is to have accounts with at least two or three and/or try to take some private orders if possible. If you get an account with a site that is known to defraud writers you won't get a true picture of the essay industry.

Having said that, you won't find a whole lot of positive reviews on a site that tries to expose fraudulent activities, either ;).

I'm interested in this niche too; it has more potential than writing, but I have no experience to share.

Reputable and law-abiding US-based companies may only check the final / completed work (usually only if a dissatisfied client signalized a problem) by asking and paying another contract writer to check it (if the original writer refuses or is not capable of revising the completed work). Companies do not edit or control the writers' work at all while it's in the process of completion. Legitimate companies work with independent expert freelancers who are.. the experts in their chosen fields. Some company owners can barely read in English (which is not a crime); nobody expects them to check for technical accuracy of the work.

After a licensed electrician (an independent contractor) installed an electric stove in your kitchen, do you still hire another electrician to check if the installation was done correctly? I don't think so, either. You may only check what's going on IF the stove fails to work correctly; in that case, you either call the original electrician to fix it OR you may ask another electrician (ie. another writer) to look into it for an extra fee. You, as a homeowner (company owner) have no reason not to trust a licensed electrician unless whatever he completed failed to work as expected. Besides, you as a homeowner/company owner don't have enough skills/expertise to do the checking.

I agree..

Not to mention if there are no available papers to take his idea gets broken again.


I guess everybody is tired of his trollish posts.

Why would an independent freelance writer care about his or her direct competitors? A smart writer takes advantage of the market situation and couldn't care less about what other contract writers do or don't do.

So far only you (who are you?) claim you are not satisfied with the 'status quo.' If I stop posting you are left alone here with your delusional ideas.


170+ posts clearly indicate you cannot and will not be able to agree on any 'minimum standards.'


Couldn't agree more :).

The majority of freelance writers work both for themselves and have accounts to take projects from essay agencies.

Writers can withhold on a mass scale and work for themselves only (or not to work at all) at any time of the day. They don't need a Batul to tell them if, when, how, or for how much to work.

A free email account and a public computer are enough in this industry to establish an independent freelance writing business.

Your ideas failed even before they could see the light of day.

ESL writers (40-60% in this industry) cannot be united with native English writers. ESL writers may be content with $2-4 per page while legitimate native English writers don't care to work for less than $8-10 per page.

Your ideas failed even before they could see the light of day.

Go to any forum and start a new thread entitled: 'The Earth is flat and I think I have a solid proof for that.' You will get a similar attention you're getting here.

How proud of yourself you must be.

FAIL.

The sole purpose of corporations is profit. If corporations don't do enough to multiply their profits the board will be dismissed. Do they care about employees, social responsibilities etc? NO. Do you care about it? NO.

In comparison to Wallstreet corporations essay companies are angels.

Minimum standards = Minimum project = Control

What is a "minimum project"?

Batul, you are a waste of time. Nobody, neither writers nor companies, cares about your moronic ideas. If I and a couple of other posters don't reply in this thread it will fade away naturally. That's actually the best way to deal with poseurs like you. Go away.

So if one writer doesn't like something then he should have the power to force all other writers to stop working and bargain with owners until he is satisfied?

For example, if a group of writers doesn't like the idea of working on Saturdays then they could force all other writers not to work on Saturdays? It makes no sense unless you want independent freelancers to give up all their rights.

'collective bargain' = UNION = SOCIALISM (at the worst stage)

Free market takes care of it. Your comments suggest that writers are stupid to the point they cannot think and make their own decisions.

Get a dictionary and school yourself about the definitions and the laws first. You want to cage all writers and enslave them into the collective bargain/union system. A couple of Batuls sitting on top of the 'union' would then decide what's best for everyone.

Name ONE online writing company (may be a fraudulent one) that classifies workers [ie. writers that take projects from them] who ->

1. Fully control their own time and schedules.

2. Fully control their workload.

3. Fully control their own bids or voluntarily agree to take a project for an offered amount.

4. Fully control the means and methods of their work.

5. Work on their own premises.

6. Use their own tools.

7. Live sometimes thousands of miles from the company's office and have never met their 'employer' (who has no way of controlling them) in person.

-> as employees.

It would be ILLEGAL for any company to classify such workers as employees. Read about the employment law and still never come back.

Good luck.

Each and every writer has the power to dictate his/her own terms by writing either for him/herself and/or for a company.

By taking private projects writers get 100% of the paid amount. Maybe companies should get organized and claim a % from their earnings? Apparently freelance writers working independently are taking the companies' business (so they should pay a % of the work they do independently).

What about being independent? If you are organized you are no longer independent. And freelance writers WANT to be independent; if they didn't they would've gotten a 9-5 job and be a slave of their bosses.

Not really; if they successfully (and fraudulently) classify the whole online writing industry in a way that they make companies to treat their virtual writers as 'employees' then no legitimate companies are safe.

But, again, no writer would be safe either and those writers who take orders on a sporadic basis today (I guess there are at least 60% of them) would have to try their luck in McDonald's instead.