Interesting deduction but I'm sorry to dissappoint you. My yawn was very sincere. :) In fact, it was so sincere that I'm willing to accept your proof at face value and ask others to do the same. So URI faked their address, do customers care? I fake my address to my clients all the time to protect my identity and it doesn't seem to matter to them as long as they get what they're paying for. :) In the first place, it's not like "honesty and transparency" is the middle name of the term paper writing industry. :p

*Yawn*

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Do you have enough empirical data to back that up? I'd gladly provide the statistical analysis for free. :p The problem with you is that every time someone who bought from an offshore company complains about what he got, you immediately accept his story as authentic, but when students complain against the sites that you call legit, you always assume that they're just hired goons doing a hatchet job.


Let me revise my question then:

Do you think that ndungu, dearbats, and all the other ESL writers who post here are not capable of writing professionally for American consumers?

I believe that the United States hardly has a monopoly of the world's intellectuals. I believe that a great majority of these non-American intellectuals can hold their own in the use of the English language. I admit that there doesn't seem to be that many people working for essaywriters.net who can write as well as I do but that doesn't mean that I'm the only favorite. Also, I agree with dearbats that it's really just the finished product that matters in this industry, and I disagree with your flimsy assumption that offshore writers have a greater tendency to plagiarize.


And you and Lavinia are the only EFL writers who post in this forum. :) Thanks for the compliment but doesn't that mean that you think ndungu, dearbats, and all the other ESL writers who post here are incompetent writers in the English language? :p Despite your opinion, I still cannot work for American companies because like I said, they ask for IRS forms which I obvioulsy can't get. For people like me, essaywriters.net, essaybay and other sites like them are the only options if we want to get a piece of the term paper mill pie. :D

Don't you get it? :p I didn't say it didn't matter, I said:


Let's face it, the world is full of prejudice. Let's say it, I do benefit from essaywriter.net's practice of fudging the truth about my identity. Because they tell customers that they hire American writers, more customers tend to order. Since I deliver such great work, customers never question my nationality. At the end of the day, what my customers don't know truly doesn't hurt them. I believe that there are just as many talented ESL writers as there are EFL writers and that English as a language really isn't that hard to master, but why should I care if my employers don't seem to share my belief in as far as their marketing strategy is concerned?

I deem you rude because you are. Here, let me demonstrate:

I work for essaywriters.net. I produce excellent essays, presentations, and other written works for my clients and get compensated accordingly. I believe that there is nothing wrong if my employers fraudulently tell my clients that I'm an American writer because like everyone here is fond of saying, nationality shouldn't matter. :P What do you have to say to that? :D

What do you mean? I've more than once expressed how unfair essaywriters can be at times. However, I also cannot deny that they do pay me my salary and that they usually do so quite promptly. So yeah, I do support essaywriters.net's existence. As long as a writer is competent, he or she should have little to no problem getting paid by the site.

I attack you because it's fun. :p Most of the things that I get you for have nothing to do with essay writers and have everything to do with your rude and arrogant disposition.

Hmm.. put this together with this...


and what we have is exactly what I want. ^_^

I'm an excellent academic writer who is employed by a company that hides my true nationality. I've completed nearly 2000 projects for the company which include PowerPoint presentations and statistical research papers among many others. I work for essaywriters because the "authentic" American companies require me to submit IRS forms which I obviously cannot do since I'm not an American citizen. So I guess nobody here should have a problem with me. :p

*does a happy dance*

Looks to me like you're about to go into the parasite business yourself. :p

Sure. ^_^ What's it about?

I say it's very possible. You've accused me of the same crap a long time ago and I think that I've more than proven to everyone here that I'm a writer for my company and not a henchman. ^_^

Sigh... so you don't believe that this guy's a writer?

*Yells War Cry*

................

*Stops yelling*

Are you sure that the sites are still down? :p

If you really are a customer, then I feel for you. :p Sadly, there is a real chance that some nincompoop will end up working on your paper (as there probably is in any company available that's within your reasonable budget). If I was able to get a hold of your project, you wouldn't have been dissapointed. :)

Brilliant deduction, Holmes. :D

I'm not American and my country supports very little freedom, but your gesture is appreciated. :p


Coz it's fun. :D

ROFLMAO!

Nothing prevents prospective customers from sending you mail through the site's message system. ^_^


I hope you don't mind if I don't return the courtesy but i'm very strict about protecting my identity. I can say that I do come from one of the more impoverished countries in Asia and that I do have English as a second language. Regarding other 3rd party sites, best one I've tried is essay bay but it's not yet that popular.

Trade secret. Haha! :P

Just kidding. There're actually several avenues from which I have been able to acquire direct clients over the years. The latest ones come from this very message board. :) They sent me messages asking for my help and I responded. The problem with direct clients is that you should have a pretty good system of payment. Otherwise, they might just scam you. >.< Hasn't happened to me yet though. :)

Restriction clauses by essay services: Who takes them seriously?

So we all know that some term paper mills have clauses on their sites saying that you cannot submit the papers that you buy from them for academic credit. The issue is, do these companies actually do anything to prevent you from doing so? I mean, they can always feed your paper to turnitin but do they? If they did, would you as a customer still be willing to buy anything from them?

*continues ignoring the monkey*

Don't worry, it'll go away if you don't pay attention to it. ^_^

So back to topic. What's evevryone else's reviews on the sites I've started commenting on?

Nope, I don't. ^_^

*Ignores the monkey*
Academia Research: Tried it but never got around to doing a project for them. Their system seems difficult because you still have to wait for approval before you can begin on orders. Plus, they pay a bit less than ew. (Of course, this was several months ago so I don't know how much they've improved since then)

Well umm.. let's see here. You've been sharing your information for what? 18 months, you say? I've been in the industry longer than that yet order patterns and volume have stayed the same if not increased over the past years. I'm working for an off-shore company who claims to be American. Isn't that more than enough proof of the worthlessness of your efforts? When it comes down to the only thing that matters which is market share, you don't have ANY verifiable evidence that the orders that sites like essaywriters.net are getting have decreased significantly over the years. In fact, things are much busier now than they were during the last slow season for me. Aside from still writing for essaywriters.net, I've accumulated some regular customers at essaybay and a few direct clients who contacted me through this very messageboard. :)

*Plays special Super WB soundtrack again*
I was talking about customers, of course. ^_^ It's not like I can count on American writers like Lavinia to vote for me either. :P


I never said that I disproved any of your "fact-based information". :) In fact, I've time and again conceded them. ^_^ That's what makes still kicking your stinking ass all the more fun.

Whew.. ^_^ Just wrote a 5-page paper on global warming and a 6-page paper on an effective classroom intervention for students with ADHD. :p


Err... it's all over the boards.. Ask the people here who they believe is more credible between you and me and I think you'll see my point. :)


Errr... yeah.. I butcher the English language with my quotations and get my clients A-pluses. How's that? :p

Hey mre, what happened to "don't tease the crazy person"? :P

Sigh.. with all the money you and I make as offshore writers dealing with American consumers, it's easy to see that even without facing lawsuits, sites like ********* are on their way under. :) Even now that school is out, I get enough work to keep me very busy (which is why I often take days at a time to reply). Heck, I go to essaybay and see some writers who get good feedback bid much lower than I do. >.< If this keeps up, the expensive American competition would eventually have to compete with the offshore prices or permanently lose its market. Hence, it's no wonder that monkeys like WB are frothing at their mouths uncontrollably. :p

Since I probably won't be able to reply until several days later, I'm going to take this time to rebut my own post WB-style:

WB: Crook! What you make is pathetically meager to what we American writers make! The American homework writing industry shall never go under!!!!

My rebuttal: Well, if what we make is so insignificant, then why would it be worth anybody's time to complain about us? If our market share is so small, then why should anybody care? Fact is, our market share is not as small as the American competitors want it to be.

WB: You have no proof!! I have ALL the proof!!! I win.. blah blah blah...

Me: (-_-);;

See you all in a couple of days. :D

Tsk tsk...


You can't read so well, can you? :p


Now THAT would be a refreshing turn of events since it's always me who ends up embarrassing you. :)


Yes, I am. I've always found the practice much more logical in many cases although there are some exceptions. :) Do I do the same in my academic writing? Yes. :) has it been the source of ANY complaints from ANY of my clients? Nope. :P


By "numerous", you do mean more than one, right? :P


Let's give her a hand, shall we? :p C'mon folks, look at WB! She NEVER makes any writing errors. Isn't that SOOOOOO COOOOL?!? Being a published writer, she probably saves tons of money from not needing any editors to proofread her work and suggest improvements. :) No sireee.... Why, she's a literal grammar animal!!! RAWRR....

Don't you ever get tired of me kicking your sorry ass all over this place each and every time we have these little chats? :p

Riiiiight.... :p Obviously, I can't post work that I've already sold since that would violate client cofidentiality and I like to keep my clients happy. :) If I post my published work, that would compromise my identity. On top of these two very good reasons is a third one which I just mentioned previously:


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Say... why don't you post some of your work so that I can point out all of YOUR errors? :P

Do my clients complain? No. Do I deliver high quality work? Yes. Do I give a rat's ass about what you think? Take a guess. :p

I'm not mad. :p I'm just practicing what I preach. :D Just ignore and have fun. ^_^

Blah blah blah blah blah... :D

I don't understand the question. I'm a writer, not a customer. ^_^


The fact that there are a zillion companies who hire just about anyone. >.<


That's a very good deduction. :) It works out fine so long as the company doesn't make good on its "law-abiding" regulations.


I guess you'll get caught because of the fact that you didn't work on the original paper yourself. :p Even if you argue that you bought the paper including its copyright, buying the copyright doesn't change who wrote the piece, it just changes who can do what with it.

Welcome to our world. :p

They do but you're right, if it's an all-original work then the only way teachers can catch you is if they quiz you on your work.

Aw c'mon, that's not fair. We really have to distinguish between scientific discoveries found through experimental reseacrh methodologies and statistical conclusions based on data analysis which are considered less reliable than the first on any day.


Do you have empirical data that supports this? :P See what I mean? Even if professors do not have any incentive to fudge results (which I am not totally saying is the case), the students who are most likely their subjects in their researches do. If these studies use survey questions (as they most likely do), then the possibility of respondent bias abounds. :D

Bottomline is, it's also quite absurd to buy something that you're not going to use. If students just used papers that they bought as sources, they'll get those for free if they search the internet. Furthermore if that was the case, then they also wouldn't mind if the paper they got was plagiarized since they're going to paraphrase it anyway. :D But the thing is, they do mind. Students want to buy non-plagiarized, outstanding papers because they want to submit it (or change it slightly and then submit it) to get good grades. It makes so much more sense than any "scientific" study that claims otherwise unless that study can actually present a million or so papers written by students who bought customized papers and compare such work against what they bought.

Not when the coomon sense views make much more sense. :) Being a stat buff, I'm well aware of how the numbers in studies conducted can be twisted to agree to biases. Still, I am making no accusations. I just really, really, REALLY think that it's absurd to think that the majority of students who buy from us submit something very different from what they get from us.

The question is, am I the only one who thinks this way? >.<

I have no factual evidence about pre-ESL essay prices and neither am I someone who would go through the trouble to get it for this particular case. ^_^


:p

Okay, so let's take your empirical evidence into consideration. So are you saying that you firmly believe that 97-98% of students who buy just read the work and turn in something completely different from it? By completely different, I'm refering to something that goes beyond simple paraphrasing which is still counted as plagiarism if you don't site the source.