I agree with FW on that order - when I see so many instructions, my eyes glaze over and I look elsewhere.

Customers should think about the amount of trouble that such instructions will cause - a writer won't get paid more for following them versus another paper of the same number of pages that doesn't have such ridiculous instructions. Those of us who are busy will pick the one without instructions every time.

Come on WB, the first "personal" comment was your assertion that I am employed by both companies.


That comment was CLEARLY personal and had ZERO to do with the content of the discussion. I politely disagreed with you and you went off and tried to make this personal. I am quite capable of letting the data speak for itself, which is why I took the time to provide such extensive pricing information.

So please don't try to play the victim. Bullying tactics won't work on me.


Yes, your comments were vague enough to leave room for doubt. Particularly when your bottom line doesn't mention foreign rip off sites:


That's your conclusion and it doesn't mention Pakistan or Ukraine. If you have bothered to be specific, I wouldn't have wasted my time posting.


You said:


But this is false. You've admitted that Papermasters IS legit but they do not provide 300 words.


Duh, of course I did. To disprove your statement. See above.


Have I? I don't believe that I have. I believe that I pointed out that YOU called them legit and, in the past, I've accepted your word for that. Perhaps you can provide some quotes to explain what you mean. But this strikes me as having nothing to do with the topic.


I don't know what you mean by normal and this strikes me as just as silly filler question. You didn't have to compare ********* and Papermasters in such a way as to endorse ********* over Papermasters, particularly when, in the past, you've endorsed both as legit.

You chose to make ********* out to be the superior site using limited data, why is that exactly?


Oh please. You included one set of prices. Your data set was woefully inadequate to prove your point and, as I demonstrated, additional information shows that Papermasters can be cheaper per word than *********. Just give it up already.

Besides, why would I shill for Papermasters? You've already asserted that I work for both.

WB, did you even read the links that your google search provided?

From your search:

"Using Times New Roman is something a lot of people will do on their papers because it's the default Microsoft Word font. Everyone else is doing, so should you! Unfortunately, while Times is a popular font, it's not necessarily the best"

"Everybody starts out using Times New Roman, I think. It's the default in most text editors, and the natural tendency of first-year college students being lazy, it's unlikely too many of them bothered messing around with the fonts until at least later in their studies."

"But for your academic paper, a Serif in the copy (copy refers to the main text, thus the term "copywriter") will work best. In fact, a lot of schools/teachers actually require you either use a specific fon, or at the very least a Serif. If a teacher tells you to use Times New Roman, don't worry about it. Unless they're your Typography teacher, don't worry about them being able to tell the difference.

Some good Serif fonts:

Georgia - Nice and round, and a relatively big font.
Garamond - A good alternative to Times.
Palatino - Another good alternative.
Century - Don't confuse it with Century Gothic!"

That clear? Your assertion that Times New Roman is the standard doesn't mean anything and your google search proof hurts your argument.

And they also address why Times New Roman is the most common font - it's the default for Word. That has nothing to do with academic preference. You're trying to make font out to be more than it is and it's really not working.

And what is your extensive academic background? Do you teach classes, b/c I do, and frankly, as I stated previously, I've never required them to use a specific font. And if you don't teach, then where are you gathering your information from?

Your data is flawed. Papermasters uses two set prices (rush and non-rush) while ********* varies their price daily (different price at 7,6-5,4-3,2,1, under 1). So, let's do some comparisons:

5-6 day timeframe:
********* = $21.00 per page (21/300 = 7 cents a word)
Papermasters = 20.95$ per page (250/20.95 = 11.9 cents a word)

3-4 day timeframe
********* = $25.00 per page (8.3 cents a word)
Papermasters = $20.95 per page (11.9 cents a word still)

1 day delivery
********* = $34.00 per page (11.3 cents a word)
Papermasters = 27.95 per page (11.1 cents a word)

Less than 1 day
********* = $38.00 per page (12.7 cents a word)
Papermasters = $27.95 per page (11.1 cents a word)

When one does the math, it's pretty easy to see that, depending upon the deadline, one can pay more or less per word with either company. If it's a rush, customers will pay less per word with papermasters even with the font difference.

Frankly, you should stop making claims like "false" about Papermasters when you don't bother to use the actual prices. It does make you look like you are chilling for ********* when you don't quote Papermasters and ********* accurately in a comparison.

And, I can see many reasons to prefer Papermasters besides the font difference - like the fact that Papermasters doesn't put limitations on paper size for timing while ********* does or the fact that Papermasters doesn't charge customers before finding them a writer whereas ********* will automatically charge a customer upon receiving the order even if they don't have a writer ready.

And, you still haven't yet disproven my central point. A font choice does not automatically make any company illegitimate. You have yourself praised Papermasters for their quality and service.

And, the claim that the 300 words is a better value than 250 words is erroneous. Quality depends on the writer, not the word count. It's easy to add a bunch of fluff that does nothing to improve the quality of a project. I produce high quality copy whether I am writing 250 or 300 words a page.

And, this issue goes beyond simply these two companies. Some companies, like Philadelphia, allow customers to choose between fonts and they vary their prices accordingly. Surely, you wouldn't call them illegit for doing so.

But, as one of your larger supporters on this board against accusations, I do personally find it disappointing that you bring ********* in this discussion when you could have easily chosen a different company to "promote" as legit.

I don't believe that font is that big a deal in the academic world. I have never specified a font style for my students and I can't remember a professor of mine ever saying "you must use this font." But we can agree to disagree.


No point in being coy. I'm talking about Papermasters, a company that you have referred to as legit.


Papermasters uses Courier New Font. There might be other examples of legit companies that do so as well but they were the ones I thought of immediately when I read your post. That's my only point - customers shouldn't automatically think that a site is not legit just b/c of the font used.

I would suggest simply putting the word requirement in your order. A reputable company should be able to fulfill it or tell you how many pages will be needed to make your word count.

When I get an order, I always watch word count to make sure customers get what they pay for. I treat it as a minimum unless otherwise stated.

I'm sorry WB but this time I have to disagree with you. Using a bigger font does not automatically make a company a fraud. I can think of at least one long running U.S. based company that uses Courier New Font.

As long as the company provides information about Fonts on their website, I don't see an automatic problem.

Yup, electronic earnings are certainly still taxable.

Prospectsolution provides writers for what essay companies?

MAK,
I think some of your negative attitude toward this forum is unwarranted. I am sorry that you had the poor experience with essaybay but your profile is really rude. I don't understand the need to insult other writers in order to try to market yourself to consumers but I guess we can agree to disagree.

I don't see anything wrong with essayfraud's website.
If you set up a forum, good luck to you.

5'3????

Don't want no short short man.

4)- Counter-cyclical industries
"Those are industries for which the demand is either not correlated with the business cycle. The demand for their products is not much affected by availability of current income, but by other personal, social or economic factors. One can find medical care and housing in this grouping, as well as industries linked to new household formations, in addition to gold mining companies mentioned as having a defensive stock in Section A-3d. Higher education is also said to be counter cyclical because people who do not find jobs in recessions put their free time to good use by acquiring new skills that will open new and better job opportunities."

peoi.org/Courses/finanal/ch/ch14d4.html

Keep trying Fatty.

More insults b/c the poor fraud got caught.

Boo freakin' hoo. Let's see how long it will take for your posts to get removed again, crook.

Add a new word to your pathetic vocabulary: ignorant.

PS - You probably shouldn't keep eating all that junk food, fatty. It's amazing that you use a McDonald's happy meal as an economic measure lol.

Writer911, you're such a loser that I almost pity you.

I busted you for posting as a student. You're a writer who is so pathetic that you need to resort to trying to cheat the people who read this forum in order to get work. Get over it.

If you had half a brain you'd make a new account and start over. If only...

And you're a mr-n when it comes to economics. Academia runs countercyclical to economic downturns. A recession actually boosts my business b/c people go back to school to improve their job skills.

Wrong again. A moron is more intelligent than an imbecile. An imbecile is more intelligent than an idiot. An idiot is the term used for individuals with the lowest mental capacity (IQ below 20). You can read about IQ basics here: iqcomparisonsite.com/IQBasics.aspx.

It's hilarious that you spewed in another language about the low IQ's of Americans on the other thread and then can't even get it correct here. Too bad your posts got deleted!

Mak, you might want to take this opportunity to review and revise your poorly written profile.

Yours truly,
A snobbish, pseudo intellectual writer with sky high rates

Seriously, do you really need to insult competitors to try to make yourself look better?

PS. The name MUNTAZIR212 is familiar. I believe that he posted here as a member until he got outed for self-promotion.

Nope, not even close. It's a question in which I purposefully dropped "Does." No wonder you have to lie to customers to get business.

But that is my point. Lexical mistakes are far more devastating than grammatical mistakes. They identify those with a strong grasp of language from those who are lacking.


And that's just a lie. I don't insult you b/c of your poor grammar. I insult you b/c you're a crook who's tried to cheat customers using this forum and you don't seem to have the sense to leave despite being caught.

Fracture, I can understand your frustration. I haven't been posting here very much lately b/c a fair portion of this board is just rambling incoherence. But frankly I'm tired of seeing mindless insults directed toward Americans.

Are they a new site? I know they say 2006 but...

I'm always personally a bit leery of sites that end in .us just b/c it seems like an odd choice. But if no one knows anything about them, I may put in an app this week to check them out. WB?

Writer911, I made more last year as an individual than double what the average household makes in the U.S. I'll let you look up that particular stat yourself. Qualified, professional writers can make an excellent living.

And I didn't even have to pretend to be a customer to trick people into hiring me either. That sound familiar?

Btw, I don't rent. I own.

I'm neither a felon nor a pretender. I'll forgive you the insults since you probably don't know what they mean anyway.

PS - My first published story was about a time travel.
Not quite a ghost, sadly.

Fracture, the effort to be civil is appreciated. Time for me to take out the puppy anyway. G'nite.

Oh please, if we're going to request anything of the moderator:

Please ban Writer911. He's the only one in this thread who has actively attempted to use this forum to cheat customers by endorsing himself.

It is so ridiculous that a forum devoted to exposing frauds has to get tainted by crooks still lying to consumers.

Writer 911 is a fraud who claimed to be a writer first and then later pretended to be a customer in order to promote himself as a writer - check the links I posted. He's just mad at me b/c I caught him a few weeks ago.

Damn, you hurt my feelings writer911. I was so hoping that you'd start sexually harassing me for dates like you did WB.

But have you forgotten that you're a writer too? Or are you still trying to convince people that you're a customer in order to pimp your services, you crook.

I have a wonderful career, thank you. I got a new puppy last week that I bought for 800$. How many pages do you have to write at 2$ per page to make that oh math genius?

lol.
Yes, I am certain that clients want "post-modern" writing styles. That's what they intend to purchase!

Your whole point was how discriminatory Americans are by pointing to EW and WB - the fact that EW isn't American demonstrates
1) your comprehension isn't as good as you think it is
2) you failed to prove your point

The fact that you lecture while being more biased than either EW or WB were proves you're a hypocrite. Good night.

PS - Writer 911, you crack me up. Too frightened to promote your prejudiced views in English? The English word for that is cowardice, add that to you vocabulary. Yes, I'm a brilliant math and science scholar. If you can't qualify for Mensa, don't even think about comparing your IQ to mine. I don't see you getting into MIT anytime soon, genius.

Hey Fracture,

Sorry, I don't know anything about them personally. But there are threads about Academia-research.com that may answer your questions: https://essayscam.org/forum/es/masterpapers-llc-academia-research-fake-627/2/

Venus, you conceded all my points - from your poor lexical grasp of English to your racist assumptions about the intellectual capabilities of Americans to your lack of evidence to support your views to your hypocrisy to your erroneous assumption that EW is American. I'm not going to retype the same arguments that you want to pretend don't exist in the hopes that next time, maybe you'll respond.

Seriously, is that your best argument Venus?
I would crush it but it's been discussed to death already on this forum 1000 times by smarter people than you. Use the search function to figure out why you're wrong or at least ask EW to help coach you on making better arguments.

You work for a company that you know is lying to consumers. If you keep working for them, that makes you a fraud too.

Go find a job that doesn't require you to cheat people.

You're also a bigot with horrible writing skills. I feel sorry for the customers you're defrauding.

But I look forward to laughing at you the next time you post complaining because one of these rip off companies decided to not pay you.

PS. I'm not a fraud. You don't have an argument. Stop posing.

Venus, you're jumping to conclusions and making yourself appear foolish as a result. If you'd bother to read my posts, you'd see that I have said many complimentary things about ESL writers. I don't object to their decision to write for American writers. I object to the subset of them that lie in order to get business.

You, on the other hand, are spreading ugly, discriminatory views based on nothing but your very limited life experience. How can you not see the difference?

And I think that you're simply incorrect that racism is the only reason that Americans (or any other group) would want native writers to write for them. It's entirely reasonable for a consumer to want a writer who is familiar with the student's school system, citation styles and subjects. In addition, language choices vary considerably.

I don't pretend that I'm as qualified to write for a British or Indian or Australian student as I am to write for American students. And I have enough self respect to not lie to potential consumers to get business. I think it's rather hubristic of you to claim that native origin doesn't matter. Your own posts are riddled with grammatical errors that apparently appear fine to you and so you continue to fool yourself into thinking that your language abilities are good enough to write professionally. But the grammar errors wouldn't be so bad if you weren't also making extensive lexical errors - collocation errors, partial synonymy errors and other lexical mistakes. If you can't see that, there really isn't anything that I can say to convince you otherwise, but you're only fooling yourself.

BTW, I went to one of the Ivy schools. You don't impress me and neither do your insults.


EW isn't American but you assume he is... that kinda hurts your claim of competence, doesn't it?

And please, the "I'm not lying, it's just my employer's lie" excuse is so lame. You're enabling fraud. You know it's occuring and you're supporting it by writing for these companies. It's frankly really stupid for you or anyone else to work for these companies when you know they're lying to customers - there is NOTHING that stops them from lying to you as well. Which is why the biggest frauds ripping off writers are almost ALWAYS these same companies. They're equal opportunity frauds.

Ha. This thread reminded me that I registered with them a few months ago. I've never bothered to write anything for them. If you do a search on this site, you'll find some threads about them.

Other people's prejudice is a poor justification for spreading one's personal biases. And it's particularly hypocritical when you say "shame on WB and EW" when you do the same thing.

Personally, I'd like to think that we don't all have ugly prejudices and that we at least have the good manners to not air them publicly.

And I think you're misreading the arguments made. Complaining that ESL writers are lying to their customers by claiming to be American or British is hardly racist - it's simply pointing out that a fraud is occuring. In my experience, the only people who claim this is racism are the ones perpetrating the fraud.

I'm an American writer who "views this fact with disdain and abhorrence." That's not me being racist and it's insulting for you to suggest such a thing. Lying is wrong. People shouldn't do it. Period.

The majority of academic journals don't pay. They expect scholars to submit their articles for free because publication is vitally important to building academic credentials and, in most cases, getting tenure - that's why some programs actually offer publication subventions to offset the costs associated with academic publishing. Don't expect to get rich writing for journals.

Do you have any evidence to back up this assertion? To be frank, this claim comes up fairly often on the boards and it's getting tiresome. Making such an argument does nothing to strengthen your position and instead, frankly, detracts from it. It shows your own ugly prejudice.

What companys' contracts have you seen Struggling?

That company's a known fraud.

Agreed, Venus.

So, when they rejected your article, was it off-topic or badly written?

I did google them. The consensus is no one knows anything about them but that folks agree that the site looks unprofessional. Such as here:

answers.yahoo/question/index;_ylt=Ap8TRo7PjmxKTjnPIZXW5.vpFQx .;_ylv=3?qid=20080918104154AAhdohS

You claimed they paid quickly. How quick is that? The site says 2 weeks to accept or reject, it says nothing about when payment is made.

You clearly cared enough about this subject to make an account and post. I don't see why you're so hostile to simple questions about the company.

Oh please. I didn't accuse them of anything. I asked you a few questions (that you didn't answer) and then offered my opinion. It IS a common practice for companies to scam writers by asking them for examples while having zero intent of ever paying for them. Any new writer should be wary of scams.

Nothing in my post even remotely resembles defamation. Anyone can make an account there and see exactly what I saw - no clear standards, 2 weeks to review and no guarantee for payment. I don't understand why you think copyscape protects you - they can easily take what you write and sell it through an essay bank or some similar service where copyscape won't pick it up. Will you check copyscape again in 6 months to be sure your work isn't still being posted?

And, their fine print says that your submission gives them the rights to your work anyway:

"by submitting article(s) all writers agree to transfer copyright to Paramount Publishing, Queensland, Australia, and also agree to not disclose their association with Paramount Publishing. Failing to do so will result in Paramount Publishing filing for damages"

How does one prevent them from taking the submission and not paying?

So, apparently you have turned work into them and they've turned you down. What are the reasons that they offer when turning work down? What's their ratio of accepted/rejected work? Do they update topics often?

And, to repeat my initial question, how quickly do they pay?

What standards do they have? How quickly do they pay?

I just went to the site and made an account. They have a list of topics, they tell you that a response to any submission will require 14 days for judgement and they don't guarantee payment because they don't accept all submissions. What stops them from taking your submission and not paying you?

I'm sorry but I see no reason to trust this site. It's a pretty common practice to scam writers by requiring them to submit several writing examples on particular topics as part of a "job application," when the intent is just to keep the submission and never pay the writer. This site looks like a variation on that theme.

lol.

joneszr, you may just be the first person in human history to have a negative IQ.

Since you mention me, I'll answer.

When a consumer purchases a product, they are purchasing a professionally written, original paper. That is the claim offered by the company, right? One component of that transaction is the promised quality of the paper. If the paper is riddled with grammar and stylistic errors, then it is not meeting that quality promise.

That quality promise is offered regardless of what the consumer does with the paper once it is received. They could automatically delete it, for all I care. As a writer, it's my job to deliver something that is error-free and adheres to the requirements as outlined by the consumer. If I don't do that, then I'm not doing my job, period.

There are probably some clients who don't care about grammar and spelling. In fact, I have had jobs where the client explicitly said they didn't care about such things but they were more concerned about different aspects of the job (for example, they were struggling to find resources to support their idea).

But even then, I am quite sure they didn't expect their product to be filled with mistakes. I think you are underestimating the importance of good grammar and punctuation. Poor grammar and punctuation can obscure the meaning of the "original and relevant ideas" (to borrow your words) presented within the paper, rendering even that part of the product meaningless.

Furthermore the existence of those cases does not mean that all students don't care about grammar and punctuation. That assumption, Just_Curious, seems to me to be the flaw in your logic. From my experience, a large proportion of the clients are not native English speakers. They purchase the papers in order to see excellent grammar and language constructions b/c they struggle with that area themselves. If I turned out something that has poor grammar and punctuation, then I'd be, in particular, hurting them. My products are created to be educational tools. When my clients pay good money (my writing services are not cheap), they should receive a quality product.

And I could not, in good faith, call myself a professional writer if I produced copy that could be produced by someone with a limited grasp of the English language. I think that applies to both native and ESL writers. There are some native speakers with horrible writing skills and there are some ESL writers with horrible skills. Neither group should self-identify as qualified to be professional writers.

I hope that answers your question.

Sorry to hear about your case Eizo.