I'm not even following this thread but have to respond to this stu4pidity: Defamation is a civil cause of action, not criminal. "Jail time" isn't an issue. Judges don't ask anything in that acusatory manner, either; the "defamed" party has the burden of filing the case and proving it, not the judge...and as WB points out, truth is an absolute defense to most types of defamation including this one.

While it might take a criminal prosecutor only "hours" to get an IP address, to do so in a civil case requires filing your case first and then going through the discovery process, not "hours."

P.S. Good luck with that lawsuit there, Sport...err...I mean Mr. Senior Investimagaterer.

That must be very easy when you provide half a dozen essays a week for 3 or 4 customers and your site adminstration "department" is one of your 3 writers. ":)"

ET fills more than 1,000 essays per month for hundreds of clients. There are dozens of writers who take essays off the writers' board. Sometimes, papers get taken immediately; other times, they may stay on the board for days and still get taken before they're due. The company also frequently increases the payout to writers to encourage us to take certain papers in danger of expiring and at their expense. It has nothing to do with how they "treat" their customers; they have no way of knowing whether or not a writer will take a particular paper ahead of time and essays that aren't taken are always refunded in full.

All I'm saying is don't add any more specificity than necessary. If the instructor says Turabian w/footnotes and 10 sources, you don't have a choice; if the instructor doesn't specify any citation style, your best bet is to pick APA and let the writer decide how many sources are necessary. Title is fine if it's clear what the essay is supposed to be about; I'm not saying to leave out details, just don't add rules for the writer that aren't necessary on your end. If your assignment is a choice of several topics, don't pick the topic either: let the writer have the entire assignment and pick the best topic unless you have some specific reason for choosing or eliminating any of them.

They're working on that issue so that you get more timely notice when no writer takes your paper. In the meantime, just include the request in your order asking the writer to contact you ASAP to let you know they have your order. That way, you can pretty much figure that your order hasn't been taken until you get a contact. Keep in mind that the company has no way of knowing that your order won't get taken anytime before it's due.

I wasn't "touting" anything and I've stopped doing what i was asked to stop doing. I don't think distinguishing companies that do resell papers immediately from those that don't is "touting" but reasonable minds may differ on that. I wanted to explain the different approaches taken by different companies and I was concerned that if I said it too generally, honorable companies who wait before reselling papers and who don't resell certain kinds of papers at all would get shrapnel from any explanation along the lines of "all companies resell papers" etc.

If you read my posts from the perspective of customers looking for helpful information instead of from the perspective of a resentful competitor, they might not come across so much like "advertising" to you.


Yup. I was also suspended once for it, but I believe I have avoided breaking any rules since my last reprimand.

I think that comment had more to do with knowing their policy about reselling your papers. Some sites resell your papers immediately; the sites I write for wait at least a few months before reselling any essays and never resell theses or doctoral dissertations at all.

As I've suggested here before, the first time you use any freelance writer or essay company is a lot like the first time you use a new car mechanic. Start out with a smaller/cheaper job just in case, and once you find somene who's work you like, stick with them. Don't wait until you need a major transmission repair or a 20-page thesis to start looking for someone reliable and honest.

Thanks, Akuma. That's pretty much exactly how it works: if the writer screws up, you always get a rewrite; if justified rewrites aren't provided, the company actually withholds the writer's entire check for the month until it's resolved.

You can run papers by me anytime, because you were a client of mine first. Since Andy's already an existing Essay for School client, I can't ever take any work from him privately at all. He could request me as his writer in his order anytime if he wanted and, as you know, I don't mind keeping an eye on orders there to let you know their status between the time you place the order and the due date until their new system is able to provide that function.

This is not an advertisement to use any company; it's just a courtesy I don't mind extending to anybody here who has already decided to use any of the companies for whom I write.

I think if you just use the "Latest Threads" function, there's enough information to figure out what companies and what freelance writers around here are likely to be reliable and honest. I don't think it's againt the rules for you to contact any of them unsolicited.

I don't know anything about that company at all. All the sites I write for prohibit you from actually submitting their work as your own and expect students to use our work as a guide for your own writing. If we screw up an order by not following the specs, you always get a rewrite. If your rewrite request is based on stuff you never requested in your original order, it will be denied; same goes for rewrite requests based on "teachers' comments" because we're never allowed to do additional work on papers once we have actual knowledge or good reason to believe that the customer violated the TOS about not submitting our work for academic credit.

If the company you used has different rules and promises specific grades, that's a much different story and if they took more money to make specific changes they didn't fulfill, you have a legitimate complaint, obviously.

Andy, let me see the paper if you don't mind...via aol and my same name. All legit essay companies have large staffs of contract writers. If your paper is really below standard the company would want to know about it and they'll take care of the situation. They do not just take the writer's side and it's in everybody's interest to know if there's anybody unqualified who slipped through the quality control in hiring. I have nothing to do with administration and am just one of their writers, but I'd like to see what you're talking about. Writing quality will always vary from writer to writer on any of these sites, which is why I always suggest that once you're happy with the product, you should always keep asking for the same writer.

I guess so, although I'm not obsessed with WB the way you seem to be. I'm sure there are plenty of things WB and disagree about besides this. If a student contacts a writer via PM's, I don't think that violates any forum rules. Obviously, there's no guarantee that the writer is any good or honest, but word of mouth seems to work pretty well around here.

Most people here already know that I write for Helpful Essays. They are currently working on a new site to fix that problem. Currently, it's true that you don't know whether or not your paper has been taken off the writer board by a writer. If no writer takes it, you'll always get your refund, but unfortunately, that doesn't help you meet your deadline. Sometimes no writer feels qualified to take a specific paper so it never gets taken. Nothing sinister or dishonest about it though: there may just not be a writer available who knows about a given 18th-century French poet, or whatever.

I can suggest a temporary solution though: Always include in your order description (on any legit commercial site you choose to use) a specific request to the writer who takes your paper to please contact you via the system messaging function just to confirm. This is not a solicitation to use any specific site but if you're already using Essays for School, you can also contact me here and I'll check the board to see whether a paper is still posted or already gone. I've already done that here for people who have used me privately and then used the company for papers out of my areas and even for people who've never used me privately at all.

One thing you should definitely do is tell the entire forum who it is. For one thing, that's the main purpose of this forum; for another, no legit writers here need him scaring away potential customers who might otherwise choose to contact us unsolicited; finally, it would help other people avoid getting ripped off by the same person. Sorry to hear that because honest, fair writers do exist here too.

It means there's a huge difference between speaking English as a second language and holding yourself out as someone qualified to charge money for writing English professionally. Nobody who wrote what I quoted has any business offering to write for American students.

I don't know anything about them but maybe they just require that you actually write in English and not in whatever language all that's supposed to be.

What was the basis or justification for the chargeback?

I think it's fair to say that every company in the business has some writers who are much better than others; I don't think a customer's characterization is necessarily accurate and I know that there's a tremendous difference between not liking an essay from one writer and accusing a company of a "blatant rip off."

Anybody here happen to know if the C-word is allowed when it's totally appropriate and accurate? Just curious.

As WB explained, what a person who's own writing ability is such that he needs to pay for writing services "feels" about a professional writer's abilities is one thing; it's not a "rip-off" let alone a blatant one, especially in an environment where there are companies like yours who lie about where they're located, who their writers are, or may never even provide ANY essay after charging and arm and a leg for them. CU Next Tuesday.

ET doesn't rip anybody off. My educated guess would be either that: (1) you placed an order that was never taken by a writer and you haven't waited to see your next cc billing statement for the refund before assuming the worst; (2) you placed an order and then asked for revisions after the work was done; the writer refused because the paper already met 100% of what you originally specified in your order and the revisions weren't necessitated by any fault of the writer; or (3) this is 100% BS and you're actually a competitor.

The first two are the only circumstances that could possibly result in a student's ever feeling "ripped off" by ET. I've been writing about 50 papers a month for them since 2003 so I know what I'm talking about.

Just out of curiosity, what was the topic/length and how much did they charge you for it?

Knowing your name is not a big deal unless they also know where you go to school if that's your concern...and that's only a concern with the real sleazbag companies. I've suggested before that if you just have a friend or family member place the order or allow you to use a credit card or e-mail, there's no way anybody could ever find out your identity and you still have the protection of using a card if there are problems.

I don't think you really can. It's kind of like finding a good car mechanic: the first time is always a risk, so you don't take your car in for major transmission work to strangers. Start with an oil change or tune-up and let them earn your trust. Word of mouth from previous customers is about the most relaible way to check. Once you get a good short paper, you can try a longer paper to minimize your losses if you're not satisfied with the product. You could also Google their names and e-mail addresses just to check for negative comments, too.

You can request specific writers by stating that request right in your order specifications.

Other writers are supposed to respect those requests and requested writers who don't want to do a requested paper are supposed to let the company know ASAP to open those orders up to other writers.

Generally, writers don't take essays that they can't complete satisfactorily.

I try to take as many requests as possible but sometimes I'm either too swamped with work or the request is outside of my ability to do well enough to take because the customer assumed that a prior topic I did means that I can do other related topics that are outside the narrow range of topics I can do in that particular area.

Deadlines are always respected and we're supposed to notify customers immediately if we anticipate any delay.

By going to the company's customer website and just checking their advertised rates.

I've stopped leaving breadcrumbs...those were some very old crumbs responsible for leading him to me originally. WB clearly was under the impression that Mummy is in the business so I just wanted to correct that for both of their sakes. I really have no financial incentive to push any site, but that's exactly what happened with that essay.

Actually, Mummy isn't in the biz...he's a client of mine and I assume he's just relaying his experiences with me because we're involved in a long ongoing project...one of the people he addressed did contact me but I had to refer him to ** because the topic was outside of my comfort zone and I know there's an ** writer who seems to get a lot of requests for related topics. That paper is currently being written by the ** writer I suggested.

Fantastic point. I also left out the fact that both legitimate and "non-legitimate" [sic] retail stores, investment firms, landscapers, and chimney sweeps all execute formal agreements with their employees and independent contractors as well. Thank you for pointing that out.

Have you been an exwriter that long that you forgot that the antonym of legitimate is illigitimate?

I understand too. Let me just say that my personality makes it very hard not to respond fully and persuasively to unfounded accusations, whether against a reputable company about which I have first-hand knowledge or against me personally. Apologies nevertheless.

No problem, WB. I'm just saying that responding directly to exwriter's ridiculous accusations (or inferences) against me allows for some statements that would be fairly considered "advertising" or "offering" in a different context. I'm content to just contribute to the forum within the rules while simply hoping that students can figure out what's what and how to reach me if they choose to.

Like most other professional websites, most essay companies also have "employment" or "jobs" links somewhere on them. Some of them also advertise for writers on job boards. In my case, I send them my resume and writing samples, they do whatever they do on their end to verify my info, and then they send over a formal agreement to sign and return. That's probably standard for legitimate companies.

Which is exactly what all the fraudulent company shills do here. I admit who I am, what I do, that I'm reachable on aol, and I admit that I hope students will figure out how to contact me if they want to.


I believe there are ways of checking IP addresses, but I'm not skilled in that kind of thing. It would also probably be possible to check posting times (etc) of various S/Ns.

I have at least 5 different forum members who have used me with great results. Exactly how many would be necessary to reasonably refute your inference?

You didn't exwrite too many logical reasoning papers, did you? A single bad paper would definitely prove plenty about a writer as far as your choice to use him again.

Likewise, a single rejected essay proposal goes a long way toward proving that someone isn't a scam artist, because if you're ripping people off instead of writing papers for which they pay you in advance, you can accept any and all paper requests. Furthermore, a single essay provided exactly as ordered also goes a long way to proving that a writer is at least a legitimate professional and not a rip-off artist for the exact same reason. The dozen or so people whose papers I had no choice but to decline know one thing for sure: I'm not in the business of collecting money and then not providing a paper or a paper that isn't worth anything to the customer.

By all means, please keep challenging me in this forum: responding to you is probably the best way for me to establish that I'm a legitimate fulltime professional essay writer who does great work and never takes papers I can't provide at a very high level and that I have several very satisfied clients on here who know that already. If I were to just post all that information spontaneously, that would probably violate forum rules; on the other hand, responding directly to your inferences is probably permitted.

Anyway, thank you.

Anytime.

Environmental/public safety issue? It's still on the board with an increased pay incentive for writers to take it. It seems like a very confusing order but if you can try to explain it clearly, I might be able to take it if you could extend the deadline. I read it several times and can't really understand what it's supposed to be about. If nobody ever takes it, they'll issue a refund.

If that's not the paper, there is no paper on the board with the words "sales promotion" but if it's been taken, you should have a link to contact the writer through the system.

If you tell me your order # or your topic, I can let you know if it's still on the board.

Either that or maybe you're just not nearly as funny as you think you are and nobody would have any way of recognizing that it was a joke until you told us. Thanks for clearing that up though.

I think the system sometimes has a glitch that does that; either that, or I quoted your words but from the wrong post.

But the only thing that's "remarkable" is that you couldn't figure that out yourself or that you'd find it worth commenting on. Obviously, it was a resppnse to your comment, not Eastside's.

I don't "make" anybody do anything: you think I give a discount for defending me on here or something? If anybody who's used me reacts to unfounded "warnings" or negative comments based on my admissionthat I'm here hoping clients will find me, they probably do it just because they know the truth about my work and business practices and they find it annoying...the eaxct same way I can't help defend the companies about which I have first-hand information when I see them trashed on here by competitors.

I was reprimanded once for overtly promoting myself here; since then, I just comment on thread topics without soliciting any clients directly. You have a problem with me just admitting that I'm an honest and reliable writer who only takes on projects I know I can do well?

You only need to "be careful" of people who promote themselves (or any companies) dishonestly, not people who openly admit that they write for particular companies from the get go. Eastside has used me privately and has also used ET on my referral for a paper that I couldn't provide and he's happy with everything he's received. (Thanks for the comment, Rafah.) I don't know why honest self promotion would be a problem that would require your warning to others to "be careful" about.

Obviously, I prefer private clients, so if you're not already a client of any site that uses me, it's strictly a private transaction between us and I don't take any papers that I can't do well enough for people to want to use me repeatedly or recommend me to others. If you're already a customer of theirs, I never take any business away from them. I'm just suggesting that you shouldn't have any reservations about any of the sites you mentioned, because they're all totally legit. I bust my butt writing for them everyday and I know how they treat customers.