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TMG2015   
Aug 06, 2015

Why, when you provide such a target-rich environment for competitive intelligence...

>200% growth semester on semester, prices double yours, margins triple your prices. Robust brand equity and loyalty, nearly 95% repurchase.

If this is "total failure," then we're LOVING it all the way to the bank. All thanks to quality--something probably alien to you.

Once we've saturated and consolidated our segment, we're coming for your territory too, W2B.

And there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. Enjoy it till we take it.
TMG2015   
Aug 06, 2015

No I just see through what you're doing, that's all.

Agenda agenda agenda agenda agenda? Want to say it a few more times? Agenda agenda agenda? Agenda agenda agenda agenda?

Have your fun W2B. Whether you believe me or not, I'm not too concerned with the fact that you deliberately peddle a strategy that tries to limit the mass market to older websites with no objective and unbiased evidence that they are any better than the rest.

Fair's fair I suppose. You cannot possibly tap my market, so I shouldn't be surprised that you try to keep others from tapping yours. Just try not to be so transparent about it.

Oh, and......EssayScam.org TOS:

5. Most users may have commercial reasons for participating in the EssayScam Forum. Any and all information posted on the forum should be considered as a personal and subjective opinion or 'alleged fact' only (even if the poster claims otherwise and/or provides a 'proof' to back up their statements).
TMG2015   
Aug 05, 2015

Damn, what a sorry state this industry is in when nothing can be proven and we sit around interpreting shadows all day.

I get it, moot point to argue these things. Is ever angle of this forum amped with such paranoia or are there some corners where hypothetical situations can be discussed? Or alternately, are there other forums that are not used to recruit clients where industry operators can have candid conversations about the industry without people freaking out that they are trying to market themselves?

Actually nevermind W2B. Conversing with you feels eerily like conversing with Editor75.
TMG2015   
Aug 05, 2015

I see what you're trying to say but I disagree that startup legitimacy is time-based. It makes sense to use time as a surrogate for legitimacy for older websites, because we have no other metric. But we can't just say "until you've been in business for x years, you're not legitimate." I began my own organization in 2004 but didn't launch a website until earlier this year because I didn't need to. My clients were all obtained through word of mouth. Was my business objectively any less legitimate? Clearly not, given my high client retention.

I agree that for the random client, short of a referral from a trusted friend/close acquaintance, there is no way to tell if a startup is reputable.
TMG2015   
Aug 05, 2015

My theory on the academic outsourcing industry is that it will inevitably enter the mainstream, just like various other forms of outsourcing. Put yourself in the shoes of a student. To the left you have professors, to the right you have career and corporate.

Professors / Faculty



When you look at professors ten years ago versus today, the trend is from little/no outsourcing to full-out outsourcing. They send TAs to teach lectures, draft exams, proctor them, and grade them. Perhaps more significantly, the major online textbook publishers are increasingly offering online tool suites complete with prepared quizzes and tests. More often than not, when we execute an online quiz for somebody, the answers are accessible online because the verbatim questions are completely Google-able. Professors are huge outsourcers.

Research OutsourcingOur industry is only really value-adding to students whose professors fit the lazy profile above. My father is a medical school professor, but he doesn't even bring lecture notes or slides to class, much less a textbook. He has all the chemical compounds and teaching content up in his head and he believes quality teaching only comes through great face-to-face interactions between student and professor, and by careful note-taking on the part of the students. Professors like him pose the greatest challenge for our industry because completing high quality work necessitates deep knowledge of what is discussed in-class. Google-able content becomes extremely restricted.

In short, our industry is able to exist and thrive because professors are lazier than ever, and becoming even lazier.

Career / Corporate



Outsourcing is clearly mainstream in corporate. If I am hired as a marketing manager at Pfizer, my responsibilities include market research, advertising allocation, strategy development, and other stuff. I wouldn't perform any of those tasks on my own. I hire MR vendors like IMS or BCC, I hire advertising agencies to allocate my spend and channels, and I hire top consulting firms like Bain/McKinsey/BCG etc. to develop a strategic marketing plan.

As important, in most corporate settings, the nature of the work is largely disconnected from academic curriculums. This is evident by the fact that (1) fresh graduates are not taken seriously, because in the professional world experience >>>> theoretical knowledge; and even more significantly by (2) whatever company you work for, you are retrained according to that particular organization's SOPs. To build on the earlier example, if I am hired as a marketing manager at Pfizer and then leave to take the same role at Johnson & Johnson, J&J will retrain me. My wife graduated economics then went to work for a major bank. She was trained and presently uses none of the knowledge she graduated with. This is the norm, not the exception, and this pattern effectively renders many academic curriculums dysfunctional at best and moot/redundant/pointless at worst.

Another reason why the industry will become mainstream--

Plagiarism is BS



The only people who care about plagiarism are professors. The principle interest of most professors is conducting research and authoring publications--specifically being first author and taking credit for research--with teaching being viewed as the added "cost" of being affiliated with and receiving research grants and resources from an accredited academic institution. I honestly believe most students do not give a rat's ass about plagiarism. Students just want to pass and graduate, and hope to earn a high enough GPA to land a job that will enable them to pay back their student loans. In short, the notion of "plagiarism" is the construct of elitest professors and because it matters to them in their community's p contest, they push it onto students as well and tell them it should matter to them. Moreover, if the writer does not mind if the student takes credit for their work, then the law will never have any say in the matter. The question of adequate education is settled separately via professional licensing systems. For these reasons, I believe our industry will always continue to exist within the boundaries of civil/criminal law.

There's more to my theory but I'll stop there for now. Interested in hearing your thoughts.
TMG2015   
Aug 05, 2015

Initial Thoughts of a New Member

This site is pretty fascinating to me, as somebody who has been an operator in the industry for a little over a decade in different capacities. Due to maintaining a very specific niche client segment (HNW/UHNW folks), I've never really viewed myself as competing with the general market of companies and freelancers, but I'm super curious what other companies are like. I always assumed that the industry was just scammers (yes, ironic indeed given that I'm part of it). Reading the threads here has somewhat enlightened me, albeit in a slightly disorienting and disorganized way. I can tell that some websites are essentially universally blacklisted (academia-research) while others appear to have higher quality, tension between ESL/native entities, and so on.

This site has the potential to be a source of market research on our industry, if we could cobble together the resources/threads to provide more structured visibility on the industry.

Of course, that may or may not be in our interests as incumbents.
TMG2015   
Aug 05, 2015

We regularly scan Craigslist, eLance, and O-Desk, but we're more interested in a scalable solution. Quality is also inconsistent on those sites. Even searching eLance for adjunct english professors, lots of the folks do not pass the quality screen, plus we tend to hire younger folks (ideally <40yrs old) or folks who exhibit the energy of younger folks.

Essayscam members' posts function as writing samples, and a couple of folks here clearly have a high quality writing style, while others are clearly ESL.

Editor75--your quality is overshadowed by your arrogance. To each his own, but I'm curious because you seem to have been tolerable at one point. The links below suggest you used to post value-adding threads:

Should companies treat independent freelance writers as their "employees"?
The student research industry is based on scamming teachers; it is a cesspit
X Paper-mill v. Turnitin.com-- X predicted winner

Yet, now your posts are just a relentless series of pointless flames. Why are you so bitter?
TMG2015   
Aug 05, 2015

Interesting methodology. So how does this algorithm account for legitimate startups?

I was under the impression Axact was a diploma mill, not a paper mill. Any clarification on that?
TMG2015   
Aug 05, 2015

Re: Major: We're currently running a contractor model. Gives us better operating flexibility and cleaner balance sheet than maintaining an internal team of FTE/PTEs. That being said, star performing scholars interested in transitioning can be interviewed for internal roles too.

Regarding control, we follow the Pareto Principle. Partnering with the right contract scholars accounts for 90% of quality control. If we have to be looking over people's shoulders all the time, then we're doing a ****** job hiring.
TMG2015   
Aug 04, 2015

My bad, I think I came off the wrong way. I meant that a lot of the posts in the public forum are people asking about the legitimacy of various essay websites, as contrasted with, say, people asking advice for technical advice (e.g., about pros/cons of being a freelance vs. company writer). I can add value on the latter category, but less so on the former. The quality of responses on the forum is generally high, and the fights/arguments are entertaining. I just didn't want to post for the sake of posting to meet the quota, if I could avoid it.
TMG2015   
Aug 04, 2015

Regarding 4 post requirement for private forums



Howdy,

Just thought I'd point out that while I don't mind typing 4 posts to gain access to private forums (I understand it's to prove I'm not a robot and all that), it would definitely help if there were discussion threads that were worth contributing value-adding messages to. Virtually all of the threads available on the public forums are vapid and value-repellant.

Just a thought, thanks.
TMG2015   
Aug 04, 2015

In response to OP, as a naive (1st time) client, how can you tell what an "older established business" looks like? What is to differentiate it from the rabble? Even as an operator who has been around for over a decade, I instinctively view all essay websites with deep suspicion--including the ones that look legit or have some legit-appearing distinguishing features.
TMG2015   
Aug 04, 2015

Hey Intelligent,

As a general rule of thumb for the future, I'd suggest you request the syllabus for the course along with the instructions for the assignment for each assignment you agree to take on. Doing so serves the dual purpose of (a) ensuring quality via clarifying exactly which topics were covered in the course; and (b) providing you the contact information of the professor so you can have some recourse in the event of client nonpayment. Asking under the pretense of (a) can sound reasonable enough, depending on the client and your relationship with them, to deflect suspicion that you would do (b).

I'm assuming you don't have the professor's contact info, in which case you are probably S.O.L.
TMG2015   
Aug 04, 2015

Hey all,

Talented AuthorI've been an unregistered observer on this site on and off for many years now. I began as a freelancer in 2004, built up a robust and loyal client base through 2010, then took a 4 year break before relaunching in January 2014 with a plan to build a scalable organization. Rebuilt client-base from 1 client in 2014 to a couple hundred by end of last semester. Got a great management team and a growing base of freelancers. Big plans in the making from a technology and growth perspective.

Looking to deepen our talent bench. We're offering $15/250w, but we're hyper-anal about quality and reliability. Room for growth within the organization in terms of role and comp for those who show potential and fit with our culture. Or just join to be a freelancer and get paid for quality work.

We're looking primarily for freelance writing authors talented in:

-business disciplines (case study analysis, marketing, strategy, etc.)

-humanities (philosophy, english, literature, etc.)

-social sciences (psych, sociology, other kind of academic research)

-economics (specifically micro, advanced game theory also desirable)

Anybody interested or any questions, ask away.

Cheers