Since Amy is a pro in spotting scam sites perhaps she can tell us who she is being paid by to bash other companies and we can just get our papers from them.

YEAH.... the g/f made meatloaf tonight!!!!! Like I said BW, it does seem fishy... but, I couldn't say for sure one way or the other.

I'm just wondering... do you also leave room for the possibility that they don't?

Paste this into yahoo IM: :-/

hehehe

Phew! That's a long post nom_de_plume, I'm glad I'm not the only one who does that. You make some good points here.

yeah, wat dylan sed. and capitelisation is a big thing two. yew nevar no wat pepul will think of yew.

Yeah, you better be careful lex... I picture them holding knee-jerk, closed door planning sessions this very second... the wagons are being circled. hehehehe

The largest problem I have with your actions is that you're convoluting the facts to service an opposing agenda. Why? You're framing this to look as if I've been cheerleading for that company, when I have done nothing to that could be remotely close to that. I heard (from Amy and others) this, that and this and after checking out this, that and this I discovered "this" was half-true, "that" was a misrepresentation and "this" was a lie. In more clear words, I looked into what was being alleged against them and told the group that I had found most of what they were being told by Amy unreliable, to be kind. You're continued efforts to pin me to this company are pointless. Why does it matter one way or the other? Does it take anything away from me or my statements? No. My statements are factual and are easily verified; the company isn't in violation of the law and there is a LLC on file. That simple. No matter how you frame me, you're not going to change that fact.

this is exactly my point: why would a newbie writer--for a company he/she supposedly wants to "test" first-post all out in defense of said company?

How many ways do I have to answer this question before you stop seeing 'because they paid me to come defend them'? How many different ways and times do I have to point out the fact that it was for a friend that motivated my investigation. A friend! How many times and different ways do I have to point out that I wasn't defending them, I was pointing out and proving what statements were true and what wasn't? How many times essayer? How long will you continue to keep twisting this into something it isn't?

If Amy hadn't turned this into a contest between her and me, my "defense" of the company wouldn't have been as boisterous as it has become. Had she simply said "oh, I must have been wrong, thanks for clearing it up" and moved on, I'd already be back doing what I do. But she didn't. She kept twisting and twisting and got meaner and meaner as she did so. Acting in such a manner as she did, and as you are, is suspicious. Your attempts to reinforce your opinion the way you are, and with as many different interpretations as you have presented, lends the appearance that you were instructed by your boss to shut me down and discredit me.

What are your motives? What's in it for you? I'm sorry but I don't buy the fact that you waited a little time before "forming" an opinion on the issue. You weren't looking into the issue for the reason you stated (forming an opinion). If you were truly looking into it, your position would be the same as mine which has been stated time and time again over the last couple of weeks. The truth about that company is littered between two different threads and it all says the same thing: essaywriters isn't a sham company as some members lead us to believe.

How can you ignore facts? How can you form such a misguided opinion? You can't. You seem to be an intelligent person. That means you are more than capable of dissecting evidence and interpreting it. Only a company shill would front the attack you're fronting now. You can no longer say they are a scam because the debate has been had and won by the side that opposes you, you're only remaining option is to discredit the source of the information but in the end you can't.

To me, shutting you up is a challenge, just as proving Amy wrong was to me. I love defending the underdog, and there is no doubt that on this forum that essaywriters was and still is the underdog. When the other side turns it into a contest, I really dig in. When my competitive nature kicks in... I'll keep arguing until I win or we agree to disagree and drop the subject. You and Amy both had chances to bow out and still save face, but you both refuse to take it.

WritersBeware dropped out. Why? Because she/he was wrong? Because she/he decided that it is a waste of time to argue with me? Who knows? All I can say for sure is that if he/she isn't Amy he/she isn't a shill for a company. Unlike the shills on this site he/she made her points then moved on. I have nothing against her/him (I wish WB would clear up gender at least, I hate typing he/she) just as I don't have anything against you or Amy. IF you want, I'll keep arguing with you. If you want I'll agree to disagree with you. It doesn't matter to me. Seriously essayer, I don't have a problem with you at all, if you see as if I do, you simply misunderstood me.

I am curious though... what sort of trap could you possibly be afraid of? Then again, I'll never understand the fear some people have of the web because I don't fear it... I refer to the meeting of new people and not the use it. The web isn't really no different than meeting someone in the real world except for one way; it gives the insecure (and I don't mean that in a bad way) the security to be outgoing. I've met a few people here and chat with them outside of this community. A couple of them keep warning me to be careful of certain members as if exposing my identity would bring an end to my world. I don't see it that way. What is the worst that can happen? Then again, I'm a hopeless optimist.

Sorry essayer but you've got it wrong. I'm not a newbie writer; I'm new to this group and new to essaywriters.net. I have yet to take an assignment writing essay papers for them and I don't ever see myself doing so. At the time I made those posts it seemed important that I test the water and see if I get paid or put on. There's enough members here saying they've been paid to diminish the importance of seeing for myself.

your aggressive loyalty could only come from being ........ paid!

Again yet another thing you got wrong because you missed something in a previous post. Other than the work I do for law firms (fillings, articles, opinions, ect...) and local companies in my town (ads, fliers, how-to's, ect..) a large portion of my income comes from writing fiction. I stated this in an early post when my motives were questioned. I'll cover it one last time for you.

I'm at a point in a project where I'm about to move from one phase to another. That leaves me with a week or two of idle time. A friend told me about essaywriters.net and asked me to check it out which lead me to here. The simple fact that I have to repeat this information shows me that you are not reading what I post; you're only looking for words and phrases to make me look attached to that company... in other words, using deceitful practices in an effort to discredit me.

The aggressive loyalty you speak of isn't to essaywriters.net it is to truth and honesty. I'm sorry if you don't understand the concept of "going all the way or not going at all". A half-assed defense against misinformation would've been a waste of MY time and I don't like to waste my time. If I go on the attack I bring it all... just part of my character. Sorry that you can't get your mind around that notion.

The evidence I provided was just that... evidence, complete with a link and instructions. Of her four arguments one was an outright lie and the other three were distortions of the truth or wrongly defined actions, just to simplify this for you. I merely defined the false interpretation of the actions she was harping on. The evidence that I am right and she was wrong can be obtained by anyone with the most simple of research (looking up legal terms and such) The simple fact that you see more to it than that means that for a while she was successful in blowing enough smoke to cloud things which in turn lead to elongated posts by me.

The posts had to be long-winded because when you have someone twisting your words you have to make sure you cover it from every side, negating any chance of misinterpretation or misrepresentation - that's why legal contracts and laws are so wordy. Have you ever heard the term "loop-holes"? The fact that you're hung up on an old argument that was settled last week says you have an agenda. Plain and simple.

To bring your doubts to and this tiresome debate to a conclusion I'm going to say this:

I have nothing to hide. Even though I have taken no position with or against essaywriters I will still answer to your assertions that they are paying me for this. Message me. Message me and I will provide you with my user name and password there. I will also send you a list of all the public and private forums I am part of and have been part of for years and you will see the same user name. Some of these sites will also show you in my profile if another user name was logged in from my network. Long story short, I don't use alternative user names.

From the essaywriters account you'll have my phone number and email address. You can then look up my email address and see that the user name I used there is the same as my email address. An email address that you can verify I've had for over 5 years, as long as I've been on the internet. You can call me and I will be more than happy to send you whatever you can conceive of to prove my identity. If you want I will even fly you to where I live and you can spend a couple of weeks with me. Whatever you need man... just ask. I have nothing to hide and I'm not afraid of my identity and for sure, my work isn't what you're running around here saying it is. So go on, take the challenge and report back what you learn. What are you afraid of? That I'll learn something about you that you don't want anyone to know here? IF you take a pass on this then you haven't a leg to stand on in calling me a shill for essaywriters.net!

Yes that is correct. A filling service was used by the parent company or a subsidiary. The search for the LLC I did was simply to locate the LLC that a member was saying didn't exist. However, there was no evidence or reason to doubt the ownership was overseas.


Not really. You just need a lawyer if you live outside the country you wish to start a business in. The fact that there are forms for just that action would suggest it isn't as uncommon as you would think.

You see, this is a good example of what the actions of posting false information as fact nets you. nom_de_plume could very well be legit, but because as members we don't hold to a higher standard of proof for the things that are posted here he/she immediately falls under suspicion because nobody knows what to believe. Are you people beginning to see why truth, fairness and balance mean so much to me and to the credibility of this site?

I'm not trying to say holding a higher standard would prevent companies from doing things like this BUT if all that was posted here were real facts, why would they have to? And if they do... Let's say for demonstrative purposes that essaywriters turned out to be a scam, all we'd have to reply to his/her post of blessings would be a very short and direct "We're glad it's working out for you but based on the facts, we believe this company to be a scam". If they insist on arguing with you, all you would need to do is refer them to the threads that contain the proof.

The way things are here at this time, we don't know who to believe... is that why you came here? If so, then you're part of the problem, if not, perhaps it's time to take action and fix it. By demanding that all information about ANY company posted here is true and backed up with evidence when needed or noted as opinion when evidence can't be found, you turn this forum into a powerful tool for those who have questions about a company than the advertising board it currently is for companies looking to sway customers and writers from their competitors.


Yes, I believe so, however, I don't believe she meant it in a deceitful way... it's just a feeling I have about here... I could be wrong.

Not to mix it up with you again but you forgot another saying...

The innocent will concede when their facts are proven wrong, but the deceitful will keep arguing with false and twisted evidence.

Some of you guys here just keep arguing by presenting the same evidence that has just been redressed.

However, I do have to agree with you that the post by nom_de_plume does seem a bit fishy. Of course this is OUR (yours and mine) opinion and there is a chance WE (you and I) could be wrong about nom_de_plume. WE say that WritersBeware because we really have no evidence to support our suspicions.

You're really reaching here essayer. The problem with your claims against me is that I have said BOTH good and bad about essaywriters.net. When I came to the site and got into that long debate with Amy I made it clear to all that I had applied and WAS accepted as a contract writer for essaywriters.net. I also stated that I would take a couple of jobs with them and gauge how quickly I got paid. I also said I would report back on my findings. Here are my two posts that support what I just said...


I would like to point out where I say I was accepted by them and where I stated I came across the site yesterday. So I have to ask you... at what point and where have I been misleading? The day I joined this site was the day I was accepted by them which happened to be the day AFTER my friend linked me to the site and asked me to check it out. My "checking" them out lead me to here... Do you see how I would join the site just a week or so ago? Before the day I applied to write for essaywriters.net I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS SITE OR essaywriters.net.

If you wish to verify this essayer, message me and I will give you my user name and password there... the user name is the same as it is here... the same user name I use everywhere I can... the same user name I've had for over 5 years (not on essaywriters, on the web)... I have nothing to hide... attempt to back up your claims against me... I'm not afraid of the light like most rats are.

That aside, I have to ask you... what would be my motive for hiding the alleged fact that I'm an agent? How have I pitched the site? Have I not done anything but dispel false and misleading information? Have I not said negative things about them? Why would I have to do anything to gain any sort of credibility in this matter when the FACTS I presented support themselves on their own?

As I said, you're really reaching and you seem very determined to soil the facts and arguments I've made... all of my debates were an effort to make this site a fair and balanced forum so that members such as YOU can rely on the information on it... I have to ask you why are you and other likeminded members so against that? To what end are you working toward here? WHAT ARE YOUR MOTIVES FOR PREVENTING SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP YOU IF YOU ARE WHO YOU CLAIM TO BE - JUST A WRITER!

I don't know about anybody else but my theory is... if you're against fair and balanced you must be with a company out to discredit its competitors... it's the only theory that makes sense. Uh... WritersBeware... I draw your attention to the word "theory"... that means opinion based on limited or no evidence, just on action and common sense... sorry, I couldn't resist the shot... don't get upset...

which brings me to my last point... the grammar comments I made were nothing but jokes about a grammar gaff I made by correcting a member about a semicolon... I was incorrect and I was making light of it... Had I known that essayer was so desperate in finding some way to "bring me down" I wouldn't have tried to be funny... Too bad you take your work so seriously that you can't kick back and have some fun once in a while.

Oh and my quoted posts in the above posts are located in this thread around page 4 or so...

Nope... was just playin around but I should point out that I did apply and was accepted by essaywriters the other week when I started checking them out... or did ya forget that part? But hey... lighten up... have some fun.... it's warm and sunny outside and the birds are chirping... and I'm still stuck behind this computer... grrrrrrrrrrrrr

ARE YOU CALLING MY GRAMMAR BAD!!!!!! hehehehehe

Well you can't catch'em without good grammar! Didn't you know that?

Thanks Dylan. Like I said, I remember from school the teacher saying that but then again when I was in school "aint" wasn't a word yet... my recall could be flawed... I stand corrected.

Really? I was always taught that "however" must always be preceded by a semicolon and followed by a comma. Oh well, I suppose perfect people like me make mistakes too... hehehehehe

This isn't meant to be mean or anything QWS but... you ever have one of those pet-peeve things... every time you see it you go nutty? Just drives you up a tree? I'm sure I have a thing or two that bugs you... but after reading your reply I noticed something...

"It is not illegal, however, for me to assist in writing papers for other people, edit, or write for companies."

Should be:

"It is not illegal; however, for me to assist in writing papers for other people, edit, or write for companies."

I'm sorry... it just drives me crazy... please don't take offense.

If I understand you correctly the paper you wrote was for someone not attending school. You're right; there wouldn't be anything wrong with that.

You didn't think the cards you were dealt were random... did you? Everytime I think about gambleing I look at Vegas... they didn't build those casinos by handing out money... usually cures me quick...

That is an excellent piece of advice WB! I sincerly mean that. All who felt they have been taken advantage of or "scammed" should do this... that's what their there for and the legit way to handle it... they have data bases you can search too if you have questions about companies... the more complaints, the larger the list.

You can also file a complaint against any company that you feel has wronged you in the state that the company holds its LLC or other corporate fillings in. It will take a little work hunting down which state they are filed in but when you do, a good place to start is with that state's State Department... they'll point you in the right direction... There's also the BBB (Better Business Bureau) if you're a consumer. I know the nature of your dealings with these companies is moraly questionable and against the rules of universities but you should be able to word your complaint without stating that you were buying essay papers.

What was funny about it was is that it was a hit on the search... and the part that was readable on the search page was... "Being a criminal has made you so very bitter, hasn't it? I know ripping people off probably isn't nearly as easy..." How perfect is that!

Look, I'm going to make a call on Monday, if I get an ok I'll hook ya up with a link... best I can do... I can't make the call on exposing pending material.

hmmm give me a few minutes... I know where it is. I wouldn't know how you would google it... If I had to guess I would use business scams essays... or court records civil actions

One of Amy's greatest hits... read this thread if you have time WritersBeware, you'll get a kick out of it...

https://essayscam.org/forum/es/oxbridge-graduates-seem-legit-tell-137/

essay scam civil criminal action... I've seen hits from the site hosting the article but I've yet to locate the article itself... there are like a million plus hits... stupid google... they should know exactly what you're looking for.

It does exist and I can give it to you but it is evidence so I can't give it to you... understand yet? You have to find it yourself... it's out there... if I give it to you it will cause me more headaches than you can imagine... and I'm not talking about here. I'm not looking for a fight with you, this is just the way it is. Amy's position was buried last week... she doesn't need any more dirt.

I don't remember exactly the context and I'm NOT going to read back through all that crap... but if I remember she was talking about the points she kept trying to pass off as facts that turned out not to be... Just because the same thing is shouted over and over again, it doesn't make it true. Not to mention those "100's" of times could have been from the same ten people... on forums such as this you simply can't trust what people are saying... especialy when it is as vocal as those were... which is why it is the right thing to do to demand that all information or claims made here are done so honestly... facts as facts, rumors as rumors and feelings as feelings. You can't tell when someone story about their encounter is true of false but at the very least, the honest ones tell you up front this is their story... Remember we couldn't even get Amy's story out of her? Why?

Yeah... uh, I can write... duh. um... please toss in "weren't" in place of "were".... now if you'll excuse me I've got something to write on the chalkboard 500 times.


Yeah, I was surprised she didn't jump in more often last week. BETH, WHERE ARE YOU?

That was 445 words!!!! I'll have to open all the word docs I have for this site and see how many words I've typed... Maybe they, who ever they are, are paying me by the word...huh? hehehe Let's see what you do with that quote!

Yeah, no doubt lex... if ya gotta pay to work for them, no matter how little, it can't be a good thing... flag as spam!

LOL. You would think that. Why? You are paranoid! Are you one of the ones that are targeted or will be targeted? Why do you care? If you're nobody in the scheme of things you would think that you would want these "scam-prevention" sites to be fair and balanced so that members could trust the content. Why wouldn't you want it that way? Would that make it harder to bash legal competition? Why are you so concerned with what I'm doing or who I'm doing it for, if I'm doing it for someone at all... content never lies...

I have said both good and bad about essaywriters.net - True.
I have investigated claims by members that above company was a sham -True.
I have concluded through evidence that they are not a sham - True.
I have also said that I don't like the way they do business - True.
I have also said that my feelings have no bearing on whether they're legal or not - True.

How, in any way, shape or form have I championed the cause for my "financier (s)". If I were as you claim wouldn't I have better access to information to assist me in defending them? Would all of my claims not be positive toward them? WOULDN'T I HAVE ALSO LOOKED INTO OTHER COMPANIES RELATED TO essaywriters.net SO I COULD "CLEAR" THEM TOO? You make no sense with your claims... again, taking something out of context to help mislead the reader into thinking you are right and I am wrong... and you wonder why some of us think you are Amy!

I asked a simple thing of you; post opinion as opinion, facts as facts and rumors as rumors. A person with no vested interest would've said "oh, I understand how what I posted could be misread, I'll do better next time..." and moved on. Instead you keep arguing with me. Amy lost the last one and odds are you'll lose this one too... it's just a matter of time... and every post you make that comes at me from a different angle makes me look more right about you and your motives than what they make me look wrong... because my subject matter and theme have been the same and straight forward all along. A "mega major slip"? I think not... but you're free to twist it any way you need to... I'll be sure to correct you every time you step out of line with my quotes.

Oh, sorry essayer, I didn't look at the name of who posted that... uh.. all those "you's" were directed at you... pardon my brain-fart.

No it isn't the same... and it will never be the same, no matter how many times you take my quotes out of context in a misleading attempt to prove you right. I'm talking about an industry as a whole. Anyone without an agenda would see the difference between what Amy did and what I did. I have to ask, what is your agenda? You seem to care an awful lot about disproving facts that clear essaywriters.net.

Per my comment, I don't know how else to explain the difference to someone who doesn't accept what their own eyes read. Google it, wiki it or hit the AP up and search for it. It's out there for you to find and it's easy to find, unlike Amy's claims which took three people the better part of two days to uncover. If you don't think it happens you're as disconnected as Amy. If you're trying to act like it doesn't happen then you MAY very well be one of them (it = the topic of my entire quote). Sorry but I have addressed the difference between what Amy did and what I did (on more than one occasion) and I will not respond to any more partial quotes you put up that are presented out of context to serve your claims... you emphasize the word "they"; however, if you'd have quoted the whole paragraph you would see the emphasis belongs on the word "some"...

Some essay companies will even stoop so low as to create a site that presents itself as a sounding board against essay company scams. They use domains ending with .org to lend them a little credibility. Next they contract people, writers they retain to write essays, to bash the competition on the boards. The people who would deceive someone under the guise of helping that person are worse, in my opinion, than any claim made against any of these companies. And yes, I have made it my personal pet project to weed these scums out and expose them for the rats that they are.

When the partial quote taken out of context is read it does appear as if I'm singling a company out... when in reality that wasn't what I was doing. If you have to resort to misleading the readers of this thread to discredit me then I must be doing ok with my argument. As I said before, keep twisting my words... eventually they'll look like you want them to, even though they won't be my words anymore... just like some members here twist the adverts and comments involving the sites they bash here... twist and twist till they can frame the company as criminal... a normal person would have to ask just what are their motives in doing this? Anyone with half a brain can field a reasonable theory (now here's the tricky part... this is only opinion), that these people have a vested interest in the failure of the sites that are bashed.

You can keep asking for an answer you've already gotten and make yourself look more and more like Amy or one of these types I've discussed here or you can do the grown up thing and realize there is a huge difference between my quote and Amy's actions.

No, don't waste your time searching posts... I never said EVERYBODY is lying. There are a number of posts by people who have been paid... some after making noise or call after call... but those posts were quickly called lies posted by essaywriter employees by Amy and a couple others. Another difference was that the authors of such posts were clear in conveying that their story was just that - their story.

What Amy was doing was going to these threads and putting in comments like "That's what essaywriters does, scam writers", "What do you expect from a company based in Ukraine" and my personal favorite "They don't even have an LLC on file". She would frame her opinions and distorted information as PROOF of criminal actions by essaywriters... that's what I had a problem with. That's what I set out to disprove - Amy's statements of fictional fact. Believe me WritersBeware, I would fight just as diligently if I came across a company doing the same. I have no allegiances here...

This is the point where I leave you for a bit to go enjoy the nice weather we're having today and to get some... ICE CREAM! I suggest you all do that... Ice cream is food from God!

Keep focusing all you want... there is a very real difference between my statement and Amy's allegations. Her comments named specific companies, which can be considered libelous if false... and they were false.

Mine is about an industry on a whole. It singles out no specific company or person and in no way meets the definition of libel. Therefore, I need not support my claim as I required you and Amy to do with yours. I am not stupid enough to make a statement about something I'm investigating that would require me to reveal sources thus putting a case at risk. The support of that statement is out there... Google it!

What she did would be akin to saying "RCA scams their artists out of record sales money."

That is a specific claim made against a specific company and it is libelous unless you have evidence to support it and that evidence has to meet the criteria of evidence to do so.

What I did would be akin to saying "Record labels often scam their artists with tricky contracts designed to take their money from sales".

My statement mentions nobody specific nor does it mention a company. It states that scams exist in the recording industry and gives a breakdown of one of the scams. Like my essay statement, it is easily researched by the reader who with a little effort can find related news stories or articles that spell out the scams and who has been busted.

You're really beating a dead horse on this one. However, keep clinging to it as a life-line... perhaps with enough effort you can make it seem like I'm holding a double standard.

Sure, go right ahead but then again morality is subjective. What you call immoral some would call moral. All the moral and immoral arguments involving essaywriters have been addressed in other threads, so you'd be wasting your time doing redundant work. What you appear to be missing is there has to be criminal intent... and there is none. Put simply, they claim to pay their writers for work that is acceptable and based on their criteria for "acceptable work" they do pay. Just as they claim they will provide orders for papers, they do as long as the criteria for "acceptable orders" is met. Their criteria is available to whoever wants it and it IS the consumer's and the contractor's responsibility to follow it... if they don't, the bad is on them... not the company... that is the law.

Now I'm not saying I agree with their business practices because I don't'. AS to the letter of the law, I just can't make the leap to say they are a "sham" because there is no evidence to support such a claim. Believe me, I have no problem building cases against companies and submitting them to the state's Attorney General... just give me REAL EVIDENCE or at the very least a tip worth following.

FALSE-anything that is legally correct is morally and ethically correct too. Therefore, what is morally and ethically incorrect is most of the times illegal.

No semantic games here Semantics (Greek sēmantikos, giving signs, significant, symptomatic, from sēma (ῆ), sign) refers to the aspects of meaning that are expressed in a language, code, or other form of representation. Semantics is contrasted with two other aspects of meaningful expression, namely, syntax, the construction of complex signs from simpler signs, and pragmatics, the practical use of signs by agents or communities of interpretation in particular circumstances and contexts.-------------Just talking about factual considerations and the law.

In laymen's terms... the law is very specific with the rules of evidence and what constitutes a violation of the law. There is no room for personal feelings or personal morality... it is either illegal or legal. By that standard essaywriters.net has done NOTHING illegal. Whether I agree with that statement on a moral level is completely irrelevant as my morality or my ethics does not meet the requirements of the rules of evidence. What is so hard for you and others like you to simply state opinions as opinions, feelings as feelings, facts as facts (supported with proof)? What are you hiding that you can't make that simple... morally correct and ethical concession? Why must you argue that your actions are right and just when YOU know them (actions I speak of) to be morally and ethically incorrect?

If you can't understand the answer... I don't know what to tell you.

Because to date, you have acted exactly as her in the manner you argue your point and the trickory you try to employ to discredit me... the only thing that is missing, and at times this makes me think you are someone else, are the lack of racist, hateful and mean-spirited comments she'd make. You need to understand that I am an unbiased person as far as any of these companies go... I'm only seeking and exposing the truth when false or misleading statements are made. As for arguing so much with you and her... well, you're a writer... have you ever backed down from a war of words with anyone before? Believe me, it isn't personal... I truly have nothing against you, just your actions in that one post... You had another reply in a post today that I completely agreed with. If it makes you feel better I'll post my agreement with you but I didn't see the need, you don't strike me as a person with confidence issues.

If you're not her, great. My only issue with you is the way and manner you posted that allegation against that one site. You seem intelligent which suggests you know the source of that information is less than credible and yet you posted the information in a manner that implied "this is real and true"... I'm not saying it is true and I'm not saying it isn't true... all I'm saying is to either post it as rumor or post it with FACTS that support the claim and a discussion board from another site isn't proof. A more responsible way to have titled that post would've been to say "I found this on (whatever site it was), they claim so and so does this". That way you are in no way coming across as trying to present something factual.

** to all: please forgive my redundancy issues today... I'm working on a treatment while I'm trying to debate this with WritersBeware and my thoughts aren't completely on topic which is why from time to time I tend to repeat topic points in the same post.

This has been addressed in the other thread... I will not address any further issues on this thread... bouncing the same topic in two threads is confusing to some readers as they are at times getting half the view.

And I'm sorry if you're taking my words as an insult but you are the one trying to twist my words... I have nothing personal against you or Amy, or anyone else for that matter. Per your request of "evidence" to support my statement: Find it yourself, I've made no specific claims against any specific company and therefore need not to divulge the source of that statement. You and a few others have made accusations against specific companies and THAT is why I'm asking for proof. It's common knowledge in this industry and easily researchable if you desire "proof" that this sort of thing happens with "scam-prevention" sites. Should I ever name a company directly you can bet you trailer that I will back such a claim up with valid evidence... just the same as I expect; demand, from you and your fellow posters.

Ok, I'm going to start charging for definitions for you.... What is the relevance of who owns what? A rep claimed that if you write for essaywriters you will get paid. She called the woman a liar. I thought I'd look into it and I did... I was arguing essaywriters not any other company... in the end it comes down to this very simple point... if you write for essaywriters will you get paid... and that question was answered... she kept saying they were a sham... which I more than adequately proved false. It's the difference between ethical behavior and unethical behavior. You simply cannot make claims about companies without merit... they have the legal right to legitimacy granted to them through the state that issues their LLC or other corporate papers. If you think they are a sham then you need to gather your evidence and present it to the states Attorney General's office and they will investigate IF your evidence is legit.

Just as I have presented EVIDENCE of false or misleading actions taken by domestic essay companies by using groups like this to falsely accuse otherwise legit companies of wrong doing so they can scare away potential clients of those companies... and THAT is a legal definition of a sham. One has been successfully prosecuted already... if you search hard enough you will find the news story... I did enough research for Amy last week; I won't do the same for you. Based on every amount of "evidence" posted in this site that I have seen, NO SUCH EVIDENCE EXSITS to even warrant a state to investigate! I'm sorry to break it to you Amy... or whoever you are... but you have no legal ground to stand on... you need to start holding yourself to the same legal standard that you're holding these companies to... and if you can't... then you need to keep your mouth shut... that simple.

are you serious? "they" meaning the companies that do this sort of thing... buy a dictionary.

Uh... WritersBeware... what you are calling "attacks" were posts pointing out how her prejudice and bias made her suspect. She wouldn't stop trying to frame the same four pieces of "evidence" so the thread (which is in no way near 98% attack) turned toward her motives. I should also point out that I'm not the first or only member here to call her biased and prejudiced, like this debate, it took place on several different threads at once...

When you're checking into her "evidence" keep in mind the legal definition of sham... which is what she was claiming.

Sham: (noun): A fraudulent imitation: counterfeit, fake, forgery, phony. See true/false.

My objective was to prove or disprove her claims against the company's documentation (LLC, Adverts and such..)

I have no problems with people who disagree with me, so long as they're not trying to deceive others in doing so. I have no idea is your original post's claims are true or not... neither do you... there was no proof for us to follow... that's where I take issue and that's where you and I ran into a problem. I called you out and voiced my opinion that you are Amy with a different user name and then, if memory serves, you began the name calling.


This is a well documented practice. I was making no such claims against anyone in particular. The practice can be sourced on the AP News Wire, if you're a subscriber and other various trade publications and such...

Given your problems understanding my posts I took the liberty of putting certain key words that state my meaning, in bold print.