I just received a deposit in my PayPal account from SWReg for $46. The only person I know who uses that payer is Writerighteam. It appears my forgiving HK has paid off for me and we are now, finally, square. I won't charge punitive fees for time wasted, I am merely glad she has paid up at last. Thank you. Perhaps my genuine act of forgiveness was the key? As they say, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Now, if Freelance could get his $1,750 that would be really nice.

What about the half intelligent members? Or the intelligent ones?

Now HK is having email exchanges with herself and claiming she is talking to the Mods. The opening post of this thread clearly states how much I was paid. I wrote about six or eight pieces for Writerighteam (not bothering to waste time checking my records) but why rebutt her claims? HK can post whatever she wants to here. The cat is out of the bag. She may think time will heal the wounds she has left by not paying and keeping her promises but it will all catch her up in the end.

Hala HK, I forgive you. I honestly forgive you for lying to me, for not paying me what you owed me and for anything you have said against me. You have my unreserved forgiveness. We will never be friends nor will I ever trust you again and if anyone asks or even mentions your name I will tell them the truth about my involvement with you. It has been an education and a learning experience and so please, keep the $50 with my best wishes as I believe teachers should be paid for the lessons they pass on and you have taught me a great deal about the industry and many other things. Go in peace.

And they have waited till now to publish them? I don't think so HK. More of her make believe. Actually, I realise I am playing her game but it is so much fun.

I await HK response with baited breath... NOT. I told you she would respond with a personal jab (imagination overdrive). You can read all about these poor, pathetic people online. Google 'delusional' 'sociopath' 'mental health disorders'. Seriously, unless she owes you money, pity her.

I will clarify HK lie about bonuses. Bad accounting is the key. I 'acknowledged' them merely as there was no gain in making a big deal about not getting the right amount (I was actually under paid) while still waiting for the rest of what is owed. No point scaring her off if there was a slim chance of getting the rest. Ask yourselves, why would any rational business pay someone a bonus if they believe it was undeserved? What was the alleged bonus paid - how much and for what? Easing a guilty conscience?

As for her allegations of being on welfare, I think that says far more about her than it does about me. I don't think anything posted by HK is worth being allocated any degree of credibility at all, let alone for a passport I have no time, need or inclination to search for. Who is to say it is a true copy etc. I don't have to prove my bona fides, I am not the one guilty of theft, fraud and lying.

You will often find that as clever as confidence tricksters seem, they are limited and predictable. I knew it would not be long before HK was flushed out from under whatever rock she was cringing beneath. Just had to push the right buttons in the right places and she will always be sniffing around essay sites like a female dog in heat because it is all she knows and all she can manage.

Remember, do not respond to her directly but in the third person as she feeds off the attention, no matter how negative it might be. This is why she telephones people and makes the ridiculous promises of sending iPads, flattering them and so on. It is pathetic and very basic sociopathic behaviour. As they say, don't feed the troll. She will now respond with some personal jab which she can not resist making, even though it only underlines my argument.

I almost forgot. Can anyone explain what HK (note I do not use Ms) is an 'Aussie Mongolian Immigrant'? Racist as well as dishonest it seems. What is wrong with a)immigrants and b) Mongolians? I also wonder what to her is a 'sizeable' bonus? Given my income in total was about $400 in two lots, what would be a sizeable bonus? Delusional, our resident conwoman, delusional.

I think it is fairly obvious now that Ms HK is suffering mental health issues. Further debate is really only good for a little venting of one's frustration. Chasing her for money is pointless, defending each of her allegations and rebuttals is only feeding her ego and in the end, all of this is based on very shaky ethical ground. While I worked for Writerighteam.com or The Essayist (or whoever she wants to call them) I was doing so under the acceptance of her statement on her web site that I was writing model essays that the student used as a guide, just as they could any other legitimate research material. I was under no delusions that many students would pass it in as their own work and no doubt feel they have the right to do so. I don't think the university would ever agree with that, at least not a reputable one but as I said in my blog, Ford make cars and sometimes people purposely drive into other people with them with the full intention of killing their victim. Is that the fault of Ford? No.

Anyway, Ms HK is ranting and raving and scrabbling for some form of income it appears. Understandable as she is no longer receiving the income she once had and probably does live in a shack in a Cairo slum and there is no unemployment payments there. Why dignify her remarks with a reply (directly)? Rebutt her in the third person.

Freelance, on reflection I think you are correct. It was a rip off from the get go and cleverly done to keep the pot boiling as long as possible. MeoKahn and others can be as scathing as they wish, hindsight is 20/20 after all. Most scams work because the mark is greedy and wants to believe the implausible story they are fed. In our case, the story was very plausible and the bona fides were in place. I checked the UK company registration and the business office and did my due diligence. I twigged early enough on not to get too deeply into things but then part of that was due to insufficient work I wanted to take and a lot of the jobs I would have grabbed were taken by the time I read the email. The part payments and delayed payments were plausibly explained to begin with but that soon fell apart. I confess the personal phone calls were a nice touch and while I didn't lap up the effusive praise, it did make me wonder if I was being stroked. And I was and so too everyone else.

We will relegate this to experience I guess. Now, are there any legitimate, decent, paying essay companies out there?

I'll add the $50 she owes me to the $876million I am waiting on from several Burkina Faso bank deals I have on the go. Of course, I have advised all my other relatives to A) never fly and B) don't leave millions on deposit in any West African bank.

I have met a few con artists in my time. One is Arthur Youngblood Hawke, Canadian liar par excellence who I managed to help hound out of Panama. I have always felt that if they put the effort and genius into good instead of evil they would be rich and successful for good rather than swinging from rich to poor and always looking over their shoulder.

Hala, we know you are reading this. I pity you. Absolutely pity you. I bet all your life you just haven't quite made the grade and now, getting so much older, life is ending and you know it won't get any better than it has. Next to tragic in the dictionary there is a photo of a shack made out of old date sacks, a length of bare wire leads the eye up to a bent coat hanger on the plywood roof where, if it would hold your weight, you could get a glimpse of the sewer running fifteen miles in a straight line then bending round the back of the pyramids. On the cardboard front door is a hand lettered sign saying 'Oxbridge Researchers - By Appointment Only'

Groggy? The lying tart was pissed as a newt. She stopped threatening me with legal action after I called her bluff. Like I said, at one time I think she was genuine and then things fell apart and she handled it badly. I wonder how many other children are waiting for their iPads from Aunty Hala?

I think Hala supplied her bona fides at a time when she felt it was prudent to do so and might even have been genuine in her desire to run a reputable operation. Then, business died off and she had spent the money clients paid her and so she has had to mess her writers about. I figure she is probably taking all teh jobs that come in and doing them herself in a desperate attempt to maintain some income.

The Walter Mitty stuff is typical of con artists, they soon forget the line between the reality and the stories they make up to run their scams. I haven't heard from her after her last pathetic threat. Once she realised I am neither intimidated by her nor the easy mark she prefers she was gone. The same now for Freelance I'm sure.

queen sheba, so if you were so successful and you know there are so many opportunities.... how come you are spending so much time here? Something does not compute. All the super successful people I know don't have time for these forums. I also read the other day while researching a book I am ghostwriting for one of those people about how it is so much harder for young people in the USA to start their own business today. 30 years ago pharmacy graduates, for example, could open a store. Today it is pointless thanks to 3 or 4 large chains dominating the market. The report went on with other examples but I guess they hadn't checked with you first...

Stu4, you have to be a user of essay services, surely you are not a writer of them? How naive are you? Of course Hala will say she is the most reputable here etc. She is lying. As for Writers Beware, who is that? Is that Hala? Hala's best friend? Or perhaps when WB wrote that she honestly believed it to be true and at the time of writing it had no reason to doubt it. I previously thought Hala was reputable and a good and honest person. Subsequent experience has proven me mistaken so quoting any comment I may have made previously that is contradictory to my present opinion is pointless. Same with what you quoted. Times change, things happen, people change.

Stu4, no one has abused her. Freelance and I have merely related our true experiences, both of us can back up our posts with documentary evidence, by the way. What is your agenda in posting this?

Nothing more from HK and her motley crew. As I expected. As soon as she deduced from my replies to her threats that A) I wasn't going to be intimidated and B) she didn't have a case, she has disappeared down the toilet bowl of Bulls**t. Freelance I guess you never got your money either. I never got that offlist email from you, BTW. I've learned my lesson and will not be darkening the essay door again. It is not worth the hassle. I have yet to find a single, reputable company to work for. If anyone can vouch for one, please do.

I sent this to Hala, just to see if I would get a bite:

"Hala, I don't expect any more payment from you but I would appreciate an explanation. What happened? Why the change? I have done nothing wrong and I trusted you. My kids trusted you to make their Christmas a little brighter, or at least they would have had I told them of your promises of bonuses and so on. However I am not that naive. I really would like to know if things went badly for your business or is this the SOP?"

And I got this back:

"Payment was sent when we said it was and now you have forced us to take action for
Public libel. That was the last thing I wanted to do but it is not my decision to make. Our lawyers in new Zealand have already been contacted and the posts were traced to you. Why have us take this route? I did not want it out of respect for you"

To which I have replied:

"Without Prejudice

I look forward to having this dealt with in court. I will produce the communications from you telling me there is still money outstanding, that it will be paid by this date and so on. I have recordings of our telephone conversations as well as all emails with full headers etc.

Hala, I was a Military Police Special Investigation Branch investigator, later an expert witness providing litigation support services to the biggest law firms in the country and on and on. I assure you any attempt at suing me for libel will fail as I can support everything I have written with documentary evidence. I have friends at the Bar who would handle this pro bono for me for the giggle factor, here and in the UK. I have relatives in the UK that are very well placed to apply the law to you and your business on my behalf. In a word, you are outgunned.

Apart from all this, we both know you are just making threats and you know you have no case, quite the opposite in fact. I won't waste the court's time for $50, which is what I believe I am still owed, not the $400 you promised on several documented occasions. I know your M.O. is to threaten legal action and most people will shiver and shake and you will intimidate them etc. Not this bear.

Where will you bring this matter to court? In New Zealand? Why? Your business is, according to you, registered in the UK. Any 'libel' you allege and of course specifically prove did neither originate in New Zealand or the UK. Can you demonstrate you have been harmed in New Zealand? There is no obligation for me to attend a court hearing in a civil matter in either location, unless you will pay me my reasonable expenses to attend, in advance. As for damages, what harm has come to your reputation, business and so forth? Get real Hala. This game you play has run its course with this writer."

This is her usual tactic, to try and scare you off with threats of legal action. I would not be surprised if she even makes up some quasi-legal letter form a solicitor and sends that but I think she will now have enough sense to go back to silent mode. I have no idea why she wants to alert her lawyer in New Zealand when I haven't been there since 1993 for a two week seminar tour.

Any updates, Freelance?

I just got home and found this in my inbox from Hala:

"We are registered in all countries where we have partners.
You will see if it is a game. By they way, we can produce the moneygram code but given your actions, it will be in a court of law."

So I replied with:

"Without Prejudice (This means she can't present this in court as evidence, but then neither can I)

Hala, court of law? Are there any others? Yes, no dispute re the Moneygram, I received US$225 and prior to that US$170, but what about the rest? What about the promises? What about the job and US$2,000 a month? All on tape, all never delivered. I'm talking about the remainder you promised. Lots of promises and then? Then nothing. Classic con artist tactics. Go your hardest. Actions? You are the one that has lied and told untruths and strung me and many others along. What are you going to allege I am guilty of? Libel? I think you should refresh your memory on the laws of libel. It can't be libel if it is true and I have the evidence to prove and support anything I have written. I expect you will lower yourself to personal insults next. It's what people with your psyche profile normally do in these situations once you realise you have lost control. Look up 'vexatious litigation' while you are reading up on libel."

Basically there is nothing she can do because she is in the wrong. Even if she wasn't I am not about to lob up to a UK court and answer her allegations. If she managed to get a hearing here it would be thrown out for lack of any grounds. This legal threat is just that. Con artists use it all the time because most of us accept their bluff that they have the money to pay for legal action and we don't. Given where I have published my statements she has no grounds for claiming libel or defamation, especially when I produce the emails from last year of her inviting me to write for her after meeting me via this site. She is angry that I have questioned her and called her bluff, as well as making her have to confront her own delusions that maybe she isn't this super smart, super rich international businesswoman jetting around the world with drivers on tap and staying in penthouse apartments etc. Like most con artists when their schemes begin to unravel they become rather pathetic, don't you think? Anyway, if she replies I will post it her but I won't respond. I will use her tactic against her now I have drawn her out. That will frustrate her even more, I think. Another example of her loss of control of me and this matter.

I figured you were playing that game, same one I played for months also. I don't get it either. Why didn't she just come out with it? I think it is because people like this can't, it is part of what drives them to rip off in the first place I guess. It is a game to them yet it is a livelihood to us.

Stu4, Queen Sheba and Heremeout are not helping this forum one bit. Personal grievances should have their own thread. All these snipes are doing is detracting from the original issue, which is HK and her business not paying me or Freelance Writer. I can tell Freelance from personal experience that now you have called her bluff and she has ceased responding, she will not respond again to you. If she would, then she would have replied to my post here. She does monitor this forum, that is how I connected with her in the first place. So those of you with your own agendas, please start your own thread and pursue them there. Kindly leave this thread for the original topic.

How true. I have gone beyond that point, hence my posting here. Until I had passed the point of knowing there'd be no return I was also very generous in my giving the benefit of the doubt. Why not? It is like Pascal's Wager. If you accuse you lose, but if you stay nice until there is no point anymore you just might surprise yourself. I think Freelance has almost arrived at the point where there is little to be gained etc. Having said that, I also acknowledge his gentlemanly tone, after all, nothing is gained by being rude and so on, it only reflects badly on oneself. It can feel good, though... hahahaha

Freelance, have you set a cut off? Either a time and day or perhaps the next excuse? Given the conversations and I expect emails, I would suggest the next step is a formal letter of demand. Followed by a (in my jurisdiction) Liquidated Statement of Claim from the small claims/Magistrates court. Cost about $75 and you can serve it by registered mail to her business address. I doubt she has property in NYC but if she has this could get interesting. If she fails to respond you have the matter heard and found against her and then you can have Judgment served and a black mark on her credit record. Perhaps if she has property in NYC, get a lien placed against it so she can't sell or dispose of the property without paying you. And by then we are talking costs plus interest and so on. It is a bit of effort but no hassle, despite what people think. Here I just go to the court, see the Chamber Magistrate and swear the complaint, pay the fee then serve it myself. Keep it in mind as an option. I won't do it for the $50 she owes me (officially $43 I think, got to check my screen shot of my account at WRT) but I would if she owed my $1750.

Another thing, with a Judgment it is easy to get her ISP and also SWreg and other payment processors who deal with her to impose sanctions, deny her business etc. I know PayPal would force her to pay you under those circumstances. See, ther eis always hope. Cheers Perry

Just a note to save everyone howling: I know NYC is different and the court procedures and costs will be different to where I live. I am saying that if it were I, this is what I would do and how much it would cost me. I am sure he can print out the emails to support his claim. If I really wanted to have fun, I have relatives in the UK, one in the police and the other in a fun section of the Home Office, both have said they would be happy to put pressure, within the law of course, on anyone who rips me off. I might get the one that lives in Manchester to run past the address of the WRT offices and scope it out, chat to neighbours and all the things you can't do via Google Maps.

I'm not. Sorry to say. I think she has stalled as long as she can and now must put up or shut up and methinks going on her behaviour with me it will be the latter.

I added an s at the end for some reason....Should have been '...the companies seem to all be rotten.' Or '... the companies all seem to be rotten.'

I am sure there are honest companies out there, I just haven't found any. All the ones listed and complained about are the only ones I can find. I haven't found one to write for that people praise. Which only means I haven't found a good one yet. Any recommendations?

MeoKhan, mixed metaphors aside, it is not bitterness at all, rather a simple observation of fact. I don't care about the $50 I am owed as it is not worth worrying about. Better to get on and write for paying customers. I am disappointed in Hala as I really hoped she would be honest. It seems there are no honest services out there (honest writers, yes, but the companies seems to all be rotten). Perhaps it is the taint of the trade, after all we all know these students don't use the essays as models and examples but rather hand them in as their own work. What is really sad is how they don;t seem to think that is wrong in any way, or have any shame or embarrassment coming on to a forum like this and letting everyone know they were gypped.

$1750 is a lot of writing. I hope you gt it but I am willing to be whatever is owed to me you don't. So ad as Hala seemed like a really nice person etc. But then every con artist I have ever met or read about comes across that way, its how they get as far as they do.

"She explained that her father built this guest house on the roof of Trump's building with a special permit." That says it all for me, right there. You can't believe a word this woman says. While I object to queen sheeba's racial slur (Arabic conwoman)it is apt, at least the conwoman part. Freelance, nobody builds guest houses on the roofs of New York buildings to house drivers. She can't even keep her stories straight and they have to get bigger and bigger to accommodate all the objections and excuses. I would be surprised if you get a fraction of your money. I am stunned I got $400 out of her but I no longer harbour any misconception of getting a penny more. Nobody is that jet lagged and still conscious. Nobody can have so much trouble getting money to you given her alleged resources of a 24/7 driver and the cash already in his paws and $12000 of it. C'mon. Wake up, smell the coffee, mate.

Freelance Writer, that runaround of implausible excuses sounds familiar. In my experience things are usually pretty cut and dried, black and white. When they start to get complicated and illogical then it is not genuine. $12,000 in advance is a confidence trick to get you to keep trusting her. Is she actually in NYC? Why fly from Orly? I thought the offices were in Manchester, they have flights to NYC all the time, same for Heathrow. Or is she trying to convey how important and jet setting she is? Makes me want to trust her just knowing she can type words like 'Orly'.

Friday is over in NYC and I would bet London to a brick you never got your money, never got your dinner, never got your advance and never even got to meet her 'driver'. What, she has a personal driver just hanging around NYC for when she visits? How very colonial. I'll have my man in Istanbul organize a couple of carpets for your office wall...

I had money sent to me from her friend in Cairo, all very bizarre. How come he sent the money? Why not her? Is she really in England? How come nobody has done the usual thing with this mob and taken me to task for my posts and allegations? Could be perhaps they are true and thus without a leg to stand on and knowing I'm not an dumb schmuck like Heremeout they are ignoring me.

BTW Heremeout, I don't have an ass, I'm Australian. We have arsessss and keep your eyes off mine. Of course now you have shown me what a terrific writer you are I will trawl through old posts and find your work and revere it. Hell, I might just claim some of it my own as. (an attempt to speak in Heremeout vernacular). I wonder if your clarity and coherencys can be vocabularies to me... or whatever it was you said.

Freelance, we both know how this is going to end and I am so sorry to read this. My attempts to get paid for work dating back to July started around October, also. I got $170 on 25 Oct from Global Direct aka SWreg and then $225 via Moneygram in Dec. I might point out that after the first payment I asked for all that was outstanding and was told the usual thing as how I would be paid bonuses and so on. By mid-November I stated I was unable to continue writing, got the tuck back into bed, did some more and in late November to mid December was given the 'Moneygram Runaround'.

First of all the pick up code wasn't right and then I found out the name they said I was to be paid under was incorrect and this all took lots of back and forth so it was not happening. I recieved this from Hala:

Had assiate send from cairo, Egypt to avoid extra 10% service charge
Seder: mohammed Ibrahim
Tel: 01006487767
Pickup code: 50595935
Service: moneygram - western union system was down
Amount: 250$
Pickup USD 225

So why have an 'assiate' in Cairo send the money? What extra 10% service charge is she referring to? Western Union is never 'down' and if it were, not for long. They charge about $7.50 to send to the UK from here so I imagine even twice that to go the other way would be just $15 and nowhere near 10% of the total let alone an extra. And this Moneygram cost $25 and that was taken from the $250 total? I think it was another couple of days before I collected the $225, say around the 7th December. I was promised the balance and a bonus, all up $400. I just wanted the $50 I figured was outstanding. She kept promising $400 and how it was for Xmas, for my family and how she valued my writing and at some stage offered me the job to take over the Australian end of the business and another call mentioned the sum of $2000 a month retainer and so on.

By 29 Dec I had had enough waiting and told her. There followed numerous emails until 14 Jan when she stopped replying other than her auto-responder. She had promised all sorts of things, blamed SWreg and what have you (I have all the emails). I was already in contact with SWreg and they denied any instructions to pay me from anyone although they were not at liberty to name clients and fair enough. The last email Hala responded to she said:

From: HK
To: perry gamsby
Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2012 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Non Payment

No. Will have legal call them. I just get into shouting matches

Sent from my iPad

This was in response to my email:

On 14 Jan 2012, at 03:08 AM, perry gamsby wrote:

> I just checked my PayPal account and still no sign of the deposit. I have not heard back from SWREG either. I just called the hotel in Tathra and cancelled our two nights mini-vacation as we were relying on that money coming in on Tuesday to go. The kids are, as one can imagine, gutted but that is life. I wonder if anyone at SWREG gives a toss? Cheers Perry

>
> Perry Gamsby, MA(Writing), CertIV Bus, CertIV Trg&Assg

Which was my reply to this load of cobblers (According to SWreg, no such call is recorded by them):

From: HK
> To: perry gamsby
> Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2012 12:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Non Payment
>
> I just called and yelled at them.One of my partners, the company lawyer, will emil and remind them of how many finance laws thy broke. They always respond to hs emsils and shape up. Well. The best thing about 2012 is that we are changing them

>
> Sent from my iPad

So if you get your $1750 I will be very happy for you but I doubt this will occur. Con artists like her prey on people who are genuine, honest and trusting. People who want the work and need the money and so are willing to suspend disbelief and hope that it will all work out, that they will keep their promises. It is hard to take a stand and say No because there is a niggling doubt in all of us that says, well what if....? There is no if. She will not pay. Unless just to prove me wrong she pays you, which I hope she does. As for what she owes me, I doubt I will ever see a penny and I certainly don't believe a word she says and to be truthful, I never did. Nevertheless, like you, I figured it was a Pascal'

s Wager kind of situation. I had more to gain by giving her the benefit of the doubt than I had to lose by calling her bluff. Until it became obvious she was doing a runner at last.Cheers Perry

FreelanceWriter, I have to say if you have $1750 outstanding and given the lack of orders posted of late (unless I was cut out of the loop), you must have been waiting for payment for several months, or there is only really you and me writing for them. I haven't seen an order for some weeks, at least two and then not much before that. Hala said the exact same things about me and my writing and I believe it to be true (he said modestly). I do hope you get paid the full amount owed and today or tomorrow. Personally I would like to think this is all a sad mix up however, I think I am being too trusting there.

FreelanceWriter, I understand. I gave her the benefit of the doubt for several months. Then a small amount would come in, but always well after it was promised. Then more delays, more excuses, more BS and then the second lot. In the interim I checked her story with SWreg and found it to be totally at odds with what they said. I still gave her a fair go for two reasons. First she was always polite to me and previously responded very promptly. The praises she sang for my writing I took with a grain of salt, I was sure either she was genuinely impressed or just trying to massage my ego and keep me writing etc. After her adamant promises of 2 Jan, 7 Jan and then 11 Jan I have heard nothing since 14 Jan when all I got was her auto responder saying she doesn't reply to non-work emails between certain hours etc.

You have nothing to lose by being polite and patient. Who knows? I decided after weeks of nothing, including no orders posted, that things are going horribly wrong for the business and consequently she doesn't have the money to pay me and is ignoring my emails simply because there is little point replying (from her point of view). Rather than admit this, she remains silent. Maybe she genuinely meant to pay me when she promised to but events got away from her and she couldn't fulfill that promise. Maybe not. It makes no real difference. I have not been paid. When I got to the point where I believed the chances of being paid were less than those of getting any more money, I posted here. If for no other reason than a little payback, feelgood, vengeance is mine sayeth the writer.

Stu4, I take it Stu is short for stupid. You are not even replying in context let alone coherently. Are you Heremeout's tug-buddy?

I gathered that from his sentence construction. I am sure he is fluent in Swahili but I'm afraid there isn't a lot of call for it at the moment. The sentence that made me chuckle was "How do you expect to win a case if clarity and coherency are still vocabularies to you? " I have no idea what he means by 'still vocabularies to you?'

Heremeout, (shouldn't that be Hearmeout?) I wrote it to the level of the average reader here, like you. How would you like to post something relevant to the points raised instead of rattling the bucket with this rubbish? Or tell me where, in your professional opinion, the clarity and coherency is lacking? Now if you were willing to pay me for my time I would give it a re-write, maybe add some citations, a few song lyrics, whatever gets you going.

Freelance Writer, are you holding your breath waiting for the $1,750 or sneaking the odd sip of air, I mean traffic in NYC being what it is and all?

I am hoping to draw Hala out, or anyone from that mob, with this post. I am amazed they haven't responded yet, normally they are very quick to fire back with their rebuttal and denials, followed closely by the threats of legal action.

BTW Heremeout, does this post meet your standards?

Phelyks, I could keep jerking your chain post after post, you simply can't resist replying.

What? Cat got your tongue? Just posting my double dare is not replying. I win, mweeeah! No returns. Infinity.

You are sad, but I forgive you. I understand how this is the only place you can get any sense of value for yourself and if that means you attempt to insult me and my family then so be it. Once again, thank you for your comments and I appreciate the time and effort you have expended to reply. As the man said, if I don't accept the gift of your abuse then guess who is left with all that spite and vitriol... you.

I just sent you a PM so do check your inbox. I also just had an epiphany and figured out why you have this hate thing for me. I am genuinely sorry about what happened to you to make you go off like this and I hope one day you will receive justice. Until then, if it makes you feel better, go right ahead. I can take it. Perry

So, what was the outcome? Turnitin are still out there I believe.

I think the phrase 'na nah na nah nah!' is the one you are looking for. And now I double dare you to reply to this one! Suki Lah Lah!

So go there and knock on the door and ask for your money back. Scare the heck out of them. Stay calm and if they refuse, smile, walk away and go to the court, lodge a claim and have a summons served on them. Worth the few quid of the summons, which you can serve yourself on the registered premises or possibly be registered mail. Mind you, how much did you lose compared to how much to do this? Is it worth it? It is always much cheaper to buy a gallon of petrol and a box of matches.

Thank you for your attention and comments, they are much appreciated. If nothing else they vindicate my statement that you are a coward. I must say it amuses me that I am such a locus of control over your emotions that you see fit to attack me right off the bat. Have a lovely day.

Fair enough Pheelix. I dare you to not reply to this post. If you do then you are a Sukki Lah Lah (which is the worst insult my 7 year old can throw at anyone so it is pretty powerful stuff).

MeoKhan... "delicacies of the latest research in Second Language Learning." Delicacies? not how an L1 would use that word, that's for sure. The closest I can get to your meaning would be "delicacy |ˈdelikəsē|

noun ( pl. -cies)
1 the quality of being delicate, in particular
- fineness or intricacy of texture or structure : miniature pearls of exquisite delicacy."

because I can't get it to fit the rest of the examples;

"- susceptibility to illness or adverse conditions; fragility.
- the quality of requiring discretion or sensitivity : the delicacy of the situation.
- tact and consideration : I have to treat this matter with the utmost delicacy.
- accuracy of perception; sensitiveness.
2 a choice or expensive food : a Chinese delicacy."

Even 'intricacy of structure' is drawing a very long bow. Or did you mean to use a different word? Not having a go at you, I doubt my other languages are up to your standard of English. Just confused by the word choice. Or maybe the research has reached a certain stage where delicacies is now the right word. People say 'texted' instead of 'sent a text' so anything is possible.

What is it with the posters on this forum? What a catty bunch of people some of you are. Arrogant? Look in the mirror. How do you know what I do or don't know about second language learning? You base that assumption on what, precisely? Do you know what other languages I speak?

Why would I want to impress you, of all people? I was trying to have a civil discussion but your thin skin has obviously been scratched. Willingness to defy the rules of this forum? Grow up sonny jim and worry about something serious when it comes to breaking rules, not what you think others should do on a forum for gawd's sake. Talk about anal retention. I wasn't required to read and acknowledge having read any rules. I joined up and posted and if it was important a moderator, someone with authority and not self imposed at that, would have taken me to task. It is not your place or job to do that. As we say in L1 circles, mind your own bloody business.

You missed my whole point so don't talk to me about ignoring logical argument. I think if anything it exposes the culture of this forum, such as it has become.

MeoKhan I was trying to discuss the issue, even speaking in your defence by acknowledging your awkward sentence construction might be technically correct but that it is not idiomatic. But never mind. As for breaking the rules, like who cares? If it were worth worrying about a moderator would have managed it. Someone with the authority to act, not someone who takes it upon themselves to impose their mindset on others. The insults are a sad indictment of this whole internet anonymous animosity thing. I am sure you would not speak to me this way if we were face to face. Have a nice day.