Fairness for writers - students should pay up

While it is our duty as writers to deliver quality papers on time, students/clients should also keep their end of the bargain by paying up. It is quite demoralizing when you work so hard then you don't get returns at the end of the day.

That's the risk you take by working for yourself, without a company's backing.

So you want writers working independently(and earning more) to prostitute themselves to these shadowy companies that take almost 60% of what customers actually pay?
Any writers out there can make 5 times more what they can earn slaving for these companies.
Further, even companies get scammed by students so it is not like they are 100% 'safe'.
As usual your post was only meant to advance the interests of the companies that you shill for. Typical moronic post.

I am sorry if that is how you understood my post, what I meant was that students/clients should pay up. It is a two way traffic, writers should be rewarded for their good work. FYI I am an independent writer and very good one indeed. I am raising these sentiments on behalf of those who do not get paid after completing the papers. Their hard-work ought to be appreciated, thank you.

Queen sheba, why do you keep following me around like a little, b**-h dog? All of that dog walking is getting to you.


Do you really want to challenge me on the math, nutjob?

Reference a single post in which I have ever shilled for any particular company. Gee, I wonder what excuse you'll use this time.

I know, but man must live right?

Something about the way the sentence is setup makes me think the implication is "and it's not worth it." But if you take it purely at face value, the sentiment is true enough.

Without a doubt, working directly with clients exposes you to several types of risk and hassle. The biggest thing is that you have to spend time marketing and handling the administrative tasks.

There are also the occasional troublesome clients, and you have to deal with them directly whereas a company could be a buffer and sometimes play "bad cop" for you.

The one thing I would quibble with is that idea that not getting paid is a major risk of working alone. If you require payment up front, as the companies do, then you don't face significantly different risk. If you are working for some of the foreign outfits, you do face payment-related risk, since they tend to have onerous penalties if they determine that you messed something up. American companies are known to offer writers fairer conditions.

However, the large one that is often talked up has stated publicly that it isn't hiring. The well-known company that I believe owns this site might be, but I don't know much about it. I am not sure how many options there are for getting a legitimate "company's backing" at this point. I'm sure there are a few, but I don't think it's a large number.

As for whether working independently is worth it, that's up to the writer. All of the ones I know take as many independent assignments as possible. But it's definitely not for everybody.

The legitimate companies do take each payment in advance, but they do not dock the writer if the payment later gets charged back and subsequently refunded. The company eats it. That's one of the huge differences between a legit, American company and the plethora of fraudulent, foreign companies that pose as American. Legitimate companies do not penalize writers for consumer fraud. So, in that extremely important regard, there is no risk to the writer.

If a writer takes payment directly, he/she may be s-i* out of luck.

Hey writers2beware you seem like a legit person, can you add me on skype:

Sorry, but I do not write papers for students and I do not engage in any commercial activities through this forum.

That's true. Oftentimes, students haggle the payment costs and schedules upfront. As an independent writer how and when you get paid all depends upon the schedule that you agree to with the client. It is normal to receive at least 25 % upfront, with the balance being paid over time, normally prior to the submission of the final half of the paper.

Most writers require the full payment upfront, some require payments as the work is completed. These writers ask students to put a downpayment upfront, 50 % upon draft submission, and the final 25 % upon final output. No edits are done to the draft when the client does not pay the 50% for the draft copy. That is the only way that writers can be assured of receiving full payments during these days of inflation. Students always pay up, even in increments form, provided the writer actually provides quality work. That is all they ask. They will not pay up the 50% upon draft completion if the draft does not meet the writing requirements. That is only fair since they will need to hire another writer to (hopefully) complete the paper. So before any writer asks for fairness from the student, he should make sure that he is actually delivering work worth paying for.

All legitimate experienced writers who aren't desperate for their first clients require 100% payment in advance. Only two types of writers ever accept anything less than 100% payment in advance: (1) Brand new writers desperate enough for their first clients to risk not getting paid for their work; and (2) Scam artists who don't care what percentage is paid in advance, because they're not going to be providing anything in return, making whatever they can dupe their victims into paying as a "partial payment" pure profit.


Only if they're desperate new writers.


This isn't a workable option for any busy writer who isn't desperate for work. Even if it's only a "draft," a 20-pg "draft" is still 20 pages of work. If a client fails to pay after delivery, the writer can't recoup his loss by refusing to "edit" the draft. More importantly, for experienced writers who've already written thousands of projects over many years, "draft" doesn't mean the same thing as it does to students, less-experienced writers, or to anybody who doesn't write for a living. Students and inexperienced writers write drafts that are substantially different from their final product. By contrast, the "drafts" of writers with thousands of projects under our belts are 90%+ identical to the final product, with only very minor changes and edits necessary to change our "drafts" into our final product. That means if someone doesn't pay after receiving our "drafts," we're out 90%+ of the total work required for that project.


What does inflation have to do with it? It's more about honesty and integrity.


What about "inflation"? The fact of the matter is that students are just people, and some people are much more trustworthy and honest than others. If writers allowed clients to pay for any portion of projects after delivery, there would always be some students who would take advantage of that opportunity, and others who would have to be reminded many times to please pay their debts. No busy writer can afford to spend time either writing projects that might never be paid for or that require us to keep track of who owes us money and then chase down payments after the fact. There would even be students who ordered multiple drafts for the same project from different writers and then paid only whichever writer whose work they liked best.

I've told this story before, but I had a Criminal Justice client about 10 years ago for whom I wrote dozens and dozens of projects over a 3 or 4-year period; basically, I wrote for her throughout her entire college career until she graduated. We had a perfectly nice and very polite relationship and she'd always been extremely appreciative of my work; I also went above and beyond for her short deadlines many times. So, when she asked me to please let her pay me for two projects after their deadlines because she needed her pay check to come in to pay me, I felt bad saying no, and I just did both projects for her. One was an academic project and the other was something related to her child-custody case vs. her ex-husband, and both had hard deadlines that couldn't wait. Guess what happened: That was her very last academic project and she never paid me for either piece. She responded to my emails apologizing profusely, explaining how bad a time she was having, economically, and promising to pay me in full as soon as she could; but no payment was ever issued. To top it off, she actually contacted me again a few years later asking me to write her an application essay about Integrity for some job in law enforcement, offering to pay me in advance. I'd actually have been fully within my rights to just take her payment and keep it for the debt without sending her anything. I didn't do that; but this was so long ago that I don't remember, anymore, whether I refused the project or accepted pre-payment and wrote it. The point is, trusting clients to pay after the fact just doesn't work, even with long-established clients a writer might believe he has every reason to think he can trust, let alone someone for whom he's never written before.

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There's nothing remotely "fair" about writing a project and then not getting paid for it or having to chase down payment after delivery. As I've explained before, there's no such thing as any ClientScamForum where writers can check the reputations of prospective clients going back many years. Writers, at least those of us who have been doing business under the same ID for many years, have infinitely more to lose from disappointing their clients than students have from ripping off a writer.

Luckily, there's a very simple solution that's fair for everybody and very practical. If a client doesn't yet know that he can trust a writer, he can simply order a very short project or a very short portion of a longer project and pay for it in advance. I've had skittish new clients order 2 pages, or even ONE page, at first. The client's total risk in that case is limited to the nominal cost of just 1 or 2 pages. That makes infinitely more sense than expecting a busy writer to deliver a 10 or 20-pg "draft" that hasn't yet been paid for.