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EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 13, 2009 | #81
More? Hilarious. ^_^
WritersBeware  
Sep 13, 2009 | #82
EW_writer, you are so ignorant that I do not even know where or how to begin highlighting your flawed understanding. Let me just break it down for you, third grade-style:

1. an unqualified, ESL writer who seeks out and/or accepts employment as a "professional" writer-for-hire in the English language is inherently fraudulent; plus, if that unqualified, ESL writer continues to work for a company like EssayWriters.net after becoming aware of the company's illegal activities, the writer becomes an accomplice to the crimes of the company;

2. a qualified, ESL writer who seeks out and/or accepts employment as a "professional" writer-for-hire in the English language is NOT inherently fraudulent; however, if that qualified, ESL writer continues to work for a company like EssayWriters.net after becoming aware of the company's illegal activities, the writer becomes an accomplice to the crimes of the company (by willingly helping the company to generate the revenue that enables the company to perpetuate the cycle of fraud through its majority of unqualified, ESL writers).
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 13, 2009 | #83
No, he doesn't. The writer is still just a writer and his activities are still not criminal, period. Take your defamation tactics elsewhere. :)
WritersBeware  
Sep 13, 2009 | #84
No, he doesn't. The writer is still just a writer and his activities are still not criminal, period.

Why don't you ask OR, FreelanceWriter, pheelyx, or exwriter (who has a legal background) to relay the LEGAL FACTS to you?

Take your defamation tactics elsewhere.

An absolute defense to defamation is truth.

By the way, you clearly have zero knowledge of the law in either the US or the UK, so stop communicating your ignorant conjecture as fact.

For the record, OR and pheelyks have already acknowledged that I am correct in my assertion that willing accomplices like you are criminals, as defined by the law. I'm quite certain that both FreelanceWriter and exwriter will convey the same message.

At law, an accomplice is a person who actively participates in the commission of a crime, even though they take no part in the actual criminal offence. For example, in a bank robbery, the person who points the gun at the teller and asks for the money is guilty of armed robbery. However, anyone else directly involved in the commission of the crime, such as the lookout or the getaway car driver, is an accomplice, even though in the absence of an underlying offence keeping a lookout or driving a car would not be an offence.

At law, an accomplice has the same degree of guilt as the person he or she is assisting, is subject to prosecution for the same crime, and faces the same criminal penalties. As such, the three accomplices to the bank robbery above can also be found guilty of armed robbery even though only one stole the money.


uslaw.com/us_law_dictionary/a/Accomplice

Principals and Accomplices

As a general rule, the law refers to the main actor in a crime as the principal [e.g., Universal Research] and to assisting persons as accomplices [e.g., EW_writer]. Technically, an accomplice is one who intentionally helps another to commit a crime.

Even if an accomplice does not carry out the crime, in the eyes of the law the accomplice's pre-crime assistance makes him or her just as guilty as the person who does the deed itself.


Accomplices, Accessories, Aiders and Abettors, and Principals

To distinguish the criminal culpability of one from another, the common law developed specialized terms for the various ways in which one could be an accomplice.

Accessory After the Fact

An accessory after the fact is someone who, knowing that a felon has finished committing a crime (usually the crime has to be a felony), helps the felon avoid arrest or trial. In most states, accessories after the fact face far less punishment than accomplices or principals.

Conspirators

Conspirators are two or more people who agree to commit a crime. (The distinction between accomplices and conspirators is that the former are "helpers," while each conspirator is a principal.) Conspiracy is a controversial crime, in part because conspirators can be guilty even if the crime that they agree to commit never occurs. As a result, conspirators can be punished for their illegal plans rather than for what they actually do. As some protection against convicting people purely for their private thoughts, in most states conspirators are not guilty of the crime of conspiracy unless at least one of them commits an "overt act." An "overt act" is an activity that in some way moves a conspiracy into motion.


criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/aiding-abetting-accessory-accompl ices.html

EW_writer, are you going to dispute the law now?

On a related note, many incarcerated criminals maintain that they are innocent, even years into their terms. Why? They do so in the hopes of leaving even the slightest doubt in the minds of the members of the parole board.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 14, 2009 | #85
EW_writer, are you going to dispute the law now?

Oh please, until an actual court ruling interprets the law as it applies to writers of offshore essay mills the way you want it to, you can take your legal opinions and shove them where the sun don't shine. ^_^ Again, the customers reading this thread should be aware that WB's agenda is simply to dissuade you from buying from foreign essay mills.

For the record, OR and pheelyks have already acknowledged that I am correct in my assertion that willing accomplices like you are criminals, as defined by the law. I'm quite certain that both FreelanceWriter and exwriter will convey the same message.

Why don't you quote them where they said so? Then I can show everyone that you've just quoted them partially to make it seem like they were agreeing with you about me. :D

P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C. ^____^
WritersBeware  
Sep 14, 2009 | #86
Again, the customers reading this thread should be aware that WB's agenda is simply to dissuade you from buying from foreign essay mills.

Nice try. On numerous occasions, I have openly invited you and your crooked brethren to provide me with verifiable evidence of any American company's involvement in fraud. I have investigated ALL of the significant companies in the US. I found no fraud whatsoever. So, until you prove otherwise, and provide me with JUSTIFICATION to attack an American company (as I rightfully do your fraudulent employer), your accusation is just as empty as your soul.

EW_writer, are you going to dispute the law now?

Hey, I'm a regular Nostradamus! How else could I possibly have known in advance that EW_writer would dispute the validity and applicability of the law?

Why don't you quote them where they said so? Then I can show everyone that you've just quoted them partially to make it seem like they were agreeing with you about me.

No problem:

. . . WB could be right in saying that you are technically an accessory to fraud. If that is the case, then you are criminal . . . .

https://essayscam.org/forum/es/cnn-doing-good-job-bestessays-1245/2/#msg20477

As I said earlier, the law is clear - you are right. This was just my opinion. The law, however, imposes a certain obligation upon employees/service contractors/freelancer - if the company is fraudulent and you have knowledge of that but continue to work with them anyways, you become an accomplice.

https://essayscam.org/forum/es/cnn-doing-good-job-bestessays-1245/3/#msg20703

Plus, I am quite certain that exwriter, FreelanceWriter, and all other sensible members will agree.
boom8088  - | 26  
Sep 14, 2009 | #87
Hi OR,

I remember, in your last reply to me, you said, "Research work provided is supposed to be used as a model. Students can use the same sources we have, the same argument and structure. They, however, have to rewrite it in theor own words and, importantly, add their voice to it ... include class lecture material, etc. We do not sell homework - we provide academic research assistancy services."

I was just thinking... If this is the case, maybe writing companies should take out the "revision request" option from their sites. Since our work should only be used as a "model" for our clients to follow, revising our work upon their request defeats the purpose of, simply, providing a model for them to follow.

Again, just another opinion from my feeble little mind. Uh oh! This is dangerous! Thinking is never a good thing for me. ;)

Cheers!

Boom
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 14, 2009 | #88
Dude... I don't think you're that naive. Companies post those things about "model papers" to protect themselves. In particular, companies based in the U.S. have to make it appear that they don't allow students to submit bought papers for credit on their website because if they did not, they could be held legally accountable in several states. However, do you really think that some student would spend $100 on a 6-page paper and just use it as a reference on his paper which he will still need work on from scratch?
WritersBeware  
Sep 14, 2009 | #89
Dude... I don't think you're that naive.

Stop being mean to newbies! Whaaahhhhhhhhh!

companies based in the U.S.

QUOTES:

1. ". . . we do not make any guarantees regarding your grades and that our agreement is strictly to provide you with an original reference document . . . ."

2. "The research material that we provide to you is available as a unique reference that is designed to assist you in the completion of your assignments . . . ."

3. "The products we provide are reference materials are not intended to be submitted as completed works and are to be used strictly for the purpose of assistance in writing your own assignments."

EW_writer would have people believe that the preceding quotes are from an American site. IN reality, they are from the "Terms and Conditions" page of besttermpaper.com, one of EW_writer's employer's sites from UKRAINE.

SOURCE: besttermpaper.com/terms-and-conditions.html

Hey, EW_writer, don't let reality and the facts get in your way! (Is this you "winning" again? LOL!)

Oops, I almost forgot:

Each of these pages has been edited to remove any reference to "Universal Research." Hmmm, I wonder why.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 14, 2009 | #90
Stop being mean to newbies! Whaaahhhhhhhhh!

Dude... I don't think you're that naive.

o.O Errr... that's "being mean" in your book? Hey boom, did I offend you?

There you go again posting things and making them seem to matter when they don't. I already said:

Companiespost those things about "model papers" to protect themselves. In particular, companies based in the U.S. have to make it appear that they don't allow students to submit bought papers for credit on their website because if they did not, they could be held legally accountable in several states.

Did I say that only U.S. sites post such things? No.

So yes, you lose again. >.<
WritersBeware  
Sep 14, 2009 | #91
You have been making this failed argument for months-that "US companies will bust you out" and/or "US companies won't let you cheat."

The bottom line: your employer is currently scared s-i*less, and for very good reason. The noose is tightening, which is why Yuri is doing his best to obfuscate, hide, and edit every piece of evidence that he can. What's funny is that his clean-up efforts are useless. Everything has already been catalogued, and now CNN representatives can receive a subpoena to testify, as can the innocent owner of the Virginia house of which essaywriters.net stole the physical address.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 14, 2009 | #92
The bottom line: your employer is currently scared s-i*less, and for very good reason.

Again, nothing more than hopeless propaganda to dissuade clients from ordering. People, if you let this opportunistic moron deter you from availing of the more affordable services offered by foreign companies, then you're losing out on a sweet deal that's already being enjoyed by thousands of your peers. The CNN report proves exactly that. Try a one page paper from a foreign company or writer today. ^_^ If you think that you should avoid bestessays because of the "F" they got even if your classmates tell you that their experiences with the same company are different, then by all means, find another company. My point is simple, do not be limited to high-priced sites regardless of where they're situated. Find a site or a writer that you can depend on at prices that you are comfortable with and stick with that site or writer. Only let let price and quality be your guide. After all, I think you'd agree with me that price and quality are all that matters. Goodnight! ^__^
WritersBeware  
Sep 14, 2009 | #93
hopeless propaganda

Ah, so CNN's investigation constitutes "hopeless propaganda"? Funny.

As always, I ask people to "trust, but verify." My track record for posting absolutely nothing but verifiable evidence speaks for itself, but I always encourage people to verify the evidence that I post. In this particular case, readers may verify the enormous number of complaints against Universal Research of Ukraine, which-upon information and belief-owns, operates, and/or controls the following sites:

bestdissertation.com
bestdissertation.net
bestdissertation.org
bestessay.org
bestessays.co.uk
bestessays.com
bestessays.org
besttermpaper.com
besttermpaper.net
besttermpaper.org
besttermpapers.org
dissertationsexperts.com
essaymill.com
essayontime.com
essaywriters.net
mightystudents.com
rushessay.com
superiorpapers.com
term-paper.biz
uk.bestessays.com
writers.ph
adistributors.com
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 15, 2009 | #94
Ah, so CNN's investigation constitutes "hopeless propaganda"?

Nice try. Did I say that or even imply that? Heck no. I called this:

The bottom line: your employer is currently scared s-i*less, and for very good reason.

Hopeless propaganda. ^_^

Again people, if you want to trust the say so of the moron quoted above, then you do so at the risk of paying much more than you should be paying for a service that technically is supposed to help you earn more money. If a friend of yours recommends one of the sites listed above, would you take WB's worthless accusations over your friend's actual experiences? Of course not! Don't be fooled. Find a site or a writer that you can depend on at prices that you are comfortable with and stick with that site or writer. Only let price and quality be your guide. After all, I think you'd agree with me that price and quality are all that matters.
WritersBeware  
Sep 15, 2009 | #95
WB's worthless accusations

Care to prove which of my accusations is "worthless" or untrue?

People, please keep in mind that EW_crook is an agent of the fraudulent company, so one would have to be a gullible idiot to trust a word that he types. Do I post evidence that you can verify? Yes. Does EW_lowlife do the same? Absolutely not. His claims are as completely empty as his bank account would be without regular deposits of dirty money from Universal Research (Yuri).
WritersBeware  
Sep 15, 2009 | #96
When a "company" sets up pseudo-residences in multiple countries, can that company play each country against one another by claiming to "not be located domestically" in order to dishonestly/illegally avoid paying taxes to ALL of the countries? I think this calls for further investigation.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 15, 2009 | #97
Care to prove which of my accusations is "worthless" or untrue?

Like I said people:

Only let price and quality be your guide. After all, I think you'd agree with me that price and quality are all that matters.

Everything else is irrelevant.

Folks, I never denied working for essaywriters.net, one of the most abused sites on this message board. I also never defended my employers as good people. In fact, I often acknowledged that they were selfish, uncaring, *******s. However, the fact that essaywriters.net still maintains over 500 orders daily during peak seasons proves that it is one of the strongest sites in the market. Those couldn't be all just one time clients as one moron would like you to believe.

so one would have to be a gullible idiot to trust a word that he types.

Oh, but what am I typing? Clients, I'm not asking you to order from sites supposedly owned by essaywriters.net. All I'm asking you is to ask yourself: do I want to be bullied into buying my essays at over $30/page by some moron on the internet? I think you'd agree with me that being bullied into doing just that is what would really make you... a gullible idiot.
WritersBeware  
Sep 15, 2009 | #98
the fact that essaywriters.net still maintains over 500 orders daily during peak seasons proves that it is one of the strongest sites in the market

LOL! All that proves is that they fool dozens of different customers every day through their many, many different sites (see list below) and fake business addresses in the US. Thanks to CNN, however, their ability to hide just became a little bit more difficult. ;-)

bestdissertation.com
bestdissertation.net
bestdissertation.org
bestessay.org
bestessays.co.uk
bestessays.com
bestessays.org
besttermpaper.com
besttermpaper.net
besttermpaper.org
besttermpapers.org
dissertationsexperts.com
essaymill.com
essayontime.com
essaywriters.net
mightystudents.com
rushessay.com
superiorpapers.com
term-paper.biz
uk.bestessays.com
writers.ph
adistributors.com

do I want to be bullied into buying my essays at over $30/page by some moron on the internet?

I'm going to refrain from name-calling because I think that it's pretty clear to people which one of us deserves the "moron" label (and it's not me). I have another, simple request for EW_writer: please quote a post in which I tell people to order from any particular site. I have almost 3,700 posts, so the evidence should be too difficult to locate, right? (I find quite amusing EW_writer's blatant misquoting and ongoing efforts to intentionally misrepresent my positions.)
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 15, 2009 | #99
Actually thanks to CNN, the existing prevalence of foreign essay mills in the market (not just bestessays) has been brought out in the open. Those who still doubt the ability of foreign sites to deliver quality work need only watch the CNN report to see how many students are actually availing of this cheaper alternative.

I'm going to refrain from name-calling

Haha.. isn't name-calling your middle name? :p
WritersBeware  
Sep 16, 2009 | #100
watch the CNN report to see how many students are actually availing of this cheaper alternative

FAIL! The CNN reporter specifically stated that students DO NOT KNOW that they are ordering from a deceptive, F-grade, foreign ripoff company like EssayWriters.net (until it's too late) because of the company's false, "American" advertising and fake business addresses in the US (e.g., Reston, Virginia).

You lose-again.

Oh, by the way, you "forgot" to justify your lie:

I have another, simple request for EW_writer: please quote a post in which I tell people to order from any particular site. I have almost 3,700 posts, so the evidence should be too difficult to locate, right? (I find quite amusing EW_writer's blatant misquoting and ongoing efforts to intentionally misrepresent my positions.)

One more question:

If the owner of EssayWriters.net is so proud of the company's true location in Ukraine, and so confident in what evidence suggests is a freelance staff that consists of approximately 80% ESL writers, why does Yuri lie to all potential customers? Why doesn't he honestly advertise the following sentence?

"BestEssays.com is proud to be a Ukrainian-owned and operated site. Approximately 80% of our writers are ESL speakers, and live outside of North America and the UK."
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 16, 2009 | #101
I have another, simple request for EW_writer: please quote a post in which I tell people to order from any particular site. I have almost 3,700 posts, so the evidence should be too difficult to locate, right? (I find quite amusing EW_writer's blatant misquoting and ongoing efforts to intentionally misrepresent my positions.)

Oh, but you don't even need to do that explicitly. By making generalizations about foreign sites (calling ones from Ukraine substandard and ones from the UK overpriced) while rebuking clients who post anything against ET, you hope to lead observing clients to infer that ET is their only choice.

The CNN reporter specifically stated that students DO NOT KNOW that they are ordering from an F-grade, foreign ripoff company like EssayWriters.net (until it's too late) because of the false advertising and fake business addresses.

Did it really? I think people here would agree that the report's point in showing that a student can get an "F" using one of the essay mills is to not use essay mills regardless of where they're based. If the report wanted to actually determine the general quality of papers that come from foreign sites, it would have selected more than one company to investigate and placed more than one order.

Once again clients, if you're bothered by bestessay's "F" so much, then don't order from bestessays. There are many more companies to choose from. Don't be scammed into thinking that your only option is the most expensive option. Find a site or a writer that you can depend on at prices that you are comfortable with and stick with that site or writer. Only let price and quality be your guide. After all, I think you'd agree with me that price and quality are all that matters.
WritersBeware  
Sep 16, 2009 | #102
Did it really?

Do you want me to bury you further, liar? Really?

I think people here would agree that the report's point in showing that a student can get an "F" using one of the essay mills is to not use essay mills regardless of where they're based.

That's complete nonsense. The CNN reporter went far out of her way to highlight the company's fake addresses in the US and true location in Ukraine. Hell, she even did a mini-segment on how EssayWriters.net uses an innocent Virginian's HOUSE as its "corporate" address!

What other lies would you like me to rebuke this evening? :)
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 16, 2009 | #103
Sigh... you never "buried" me. I undeniably tore you apart in the very thread where you tried to get people to rally on your side.

That's complete nonsense. The CNN reporter went far out of her way to highlight the company's fake addresses in the US and true location in Ukraine.

Wow, so are you actually implying that CNN's message was "it's alright to cheat so long as you buy American"? Get real, Mcbeal. ^_^ CNN wanted to send a message that students shouldn't buy from essay mills period by making it seem like the activity would just get them an F. However, this motive was defeated by the very introduction of their report in which they stated how more and more Americans were using essay mills.

highlight the company's fake addresses in the US and true location in Ukraine. Hell, she even did a mini-segment on how essaywriters.net uses an innocent Virginian's HOUSE as its "corporate" address!

Err... the reporter would have visited the address posted on the site regardless of her knowledge of essaywriters being owned by some Ukrainian. If she did find ew's office there, it would have meant a heckuva lot more trouble for essaywriters.net since that would mean that the company can then be prosecuted for breaking state laws against selling homework to students.

C'mon.. can't you do any better than this? :p I'm humiliating you without breaking a sweat.
WritersBeware  
Sep 16, 2009 | #104
Sigh... you never "buried" me. I undeniably tore you apart in the very thread where you tried to get people to rally on your side.

LOL! I like how you use that thread to brag about having stu4 (another EW_writer agent, likely Yuri himself) and whitegrim (simply a moron) on your side. Oops-I almost forgot how many times chacha has come to your aid in other threads with his barely understandable drivel. LOL!

The following list of members are undeniably on my side in relation to positions on fraud, law, and business ethics (you know, the only points of contention that actually matter in this forum):

exwriter
pheelyks
Lavinia
FreelanceWriter
OR
boom

I have the stones to post a list and invite each of those members to verify. So, EW_writer, why don't you post your list of like-minded supporters? I've asked you to do so multiple times. Why don't you just admit that you're too embarrassed to publicize who supports your positions on fraud, law, and business ethics? :) I'll help to get you started:

whitegrim
stu4
chacha
[insert moron here]

Words of wisdom:

it never fails... the people who say everyone in this industry is unethical are the ones who were unethical themselves.

don't cast your unethical behavior on the rest of us.

https://essayscam.org/forum/wc/pakistani-companies-drove-business-359/
stu4  21 | 856 ☆☆   Observer
Sep 16, 2009 | #105
WritersBeware is desperately looking for friends despite the fact they bit*h-slapped him on many occasions :).

Below is the PROOF: Lavinia's comments about WritersBeware:

"WB and I are not the same person. I don't own ********* nor am I employed by them."

https://essayscam.org/forum/es/reliable-research-writing-services-capable-meeting-900/#msg14668

"But don't waste time arguing with me when you can be insulting EW-Writer, defending ********* or making unevidenced assertions about humble's language knowledge."

"Seriously WB, [...], It is like you are psychologically incapable of allowing people to discuss their topic of interest without finding a way to make yourself the center of attention."

"WB, I suggest that you learn to ignore posts instead of always having this compulsive need to have the last word (no matter how obnoxious or incorrect) on everything."

https://essayscam.org/forum/es/steve-james-academic-help-1011/

---

Not to mention the fact that the other few members have admitted to be buddies with WritersBeware and work on the same company :).
boom8088  - | 26  
Sep 16, 2009 | #106
To all,

I would lie to point out that I am not taking sides. My position is mine alone. If this position of mine happens to be the same as any other person's position, then that's all it is.

I agree with many of the points raised by WB and she has also given me very good advice. However, I would like to stress that I have not taken sides. Actually, there are so many sides in this forum that choosing one will give me a migraine... Hahaha! I welcome constructive conversation from anyone in this forum; and if anyone tries to "pick a fight" with me, I will simply ignore that person.

My fight is with EW! That's all!

So... cheers! ;)

Boom
WritersBeware  
Sep 16, 2009 | #107
My position is mine alone. If this position of mine happens to be the same as any other person's position, then that's all it is.

That is precisely my point.

Below is the PROOF: Lavinia's comments about WritersBeware:

Look, I know that you do not understand English very well, so I repeat:

The following list of members are undeniably on my side in relation to positions on fraud, law, and business ethics (you know, the only points of contention that actually matter in this forum)

This isn't a popularity contest. The quotes that you posted are from Lavinia, during a period in which we had some personality disagreements. That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Lavinia and I share nearly exactly the same views on fraud, law, and business ethics as they relate to the essay industry. Of course, Lavinia is certainly free to clarify her positions on fraud, law, and business ethics.

Not to mention the fact that the other few members have admitted to be buddies with WritersBeware and work on the same company :).

As usual, that is a blatant lie from stu4, perfectly in line with the usual antics of his pal at essaywriters.net, EW_writer. Stewy, how about a quote to prove your claim?

Oh, and Stewy-you just screwed yourself. You really should have heeded my previous warning.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 16, 2009 | #108
Way to go, WB. :P

This isn't a popularity contest. The quotes that you posted are from Lavinia, during a period in which we had some personality disagreements.

Oh you had disagreements over more than personality. You clashed on various issues about "fraud, law, and business ethics" such as when you tried to attack competitors that offered papers at 250 words per page.

Hey, but let's get back on topic shall we?

The CNN reporter went far out of her way to highlight the company's fake addresses in the US and true location in Ukraine.

Wow, so are you actually implying that CNN's message was "it's alright to cheat so long as you buy American"? Get real, Mcbeal. ^_^ CNN wanted to send a message that students shouldn't buy from essay mills period by making it seem like the activity would just get them an F. However, this motive was defeated by the very introduction of their report in which they stated how more and more Americans were using essay mills.

highlight the company's fake addresses in the US and true location in Ukraine. Hell, she even did a mini-segment on how essaywriters.net uses an innocent Virginian's HOUSE as its "corporate" address!

Err... the reporter would have visited the address posted on the site regardless of her knowledge of essaywriters being owned by some Ukrainian. If she did find ew's office there, it would have meant a heckuva lot more trouble for essaywriters.net since that would mean that the company can then be prosecuted for breaking state laws against selling homework to students.

C'mon.. can't you do any better than this? :p I'm humiliating you without breaking a sweat.
WritersBeware  
Sep 16, 2009 | #109
Stop SPAMMING large chunks of the same content from your previous posts.

Wow, so are you actually implying that CNN's message was "it's alright to cheat so long as you buy American"?

Um, how about you stop creating arguments with yourself and implying that they are mine? Quote the post in which I stated any such thing. You can't, so shut up already.

CNN wanted to send a message that students shouldn't buy from essay mills period

Where's your proof? Stop speaking for the CNN reporter as if you know her. Try sticking to the actual content of the investigation and the actual words that emanated from her mouth. Thanks.

they stated how more and more Americans were using essay mills

Yes, and she also stated that such Americans do so because they are FOOLED into believing that the sites are run by Americans and that all of the sites' writers are American.

Err... the reporter would have visited the address posted on the site regardless of her knowledge of essaywriters being owned by some Ukrainian.

Wrong. The reporter investigated the address because of evidence that she came across online and word-of-mouth from people who she interviewed, including former employees with inside knowledge. Don't believe me? Send her an email and ask.
undertow2  4 | 97  
Sep 17, 2009 | #110
Don't be stupid, of course that's what she was saying. Regardless of the legal situation in various countries and US states, it IS morally wrong to buy essay from websites, we all know that, and it was clearly reflected in CNN's report.

When a student comes on here and moans about being ripped off, I have little sympathy because they were ripped off while trying to rip off their university / college.
pheelyks  
Sep 17, 2009 | #111
I have little sympathy because they were ripped off while trying to rip off their university / college.

Two wrongs don't make a right. While this is certainly simplistic, it is also true. Yes, a part of me giggles inside when lazy rich students tried to get a cheap deal on a paper and got screwed ("You mean I paid seven bucks a page and an associate professor DIDN'T actually write my paper?"), but moral or no there are people with legitimate issues and no real need to do the work.

The amount of pure bulls-i* I churned out to earn my own degrees is evidence of the uselessness of most of the academic word, anyway. The papers on nursing theory I write so that (presumably) already working nurses can boost their pay a little bit while learning more in the ER than they could ever hope to from a course on "styles and applications of nursing knowledge" is fine with me.

Today, I wrote a paper analyzing a business problem that centered on someone's individual behavior. The assignment--analyzing the problem and presenting solutions--should have only taken a few sentences to answer: "That guy's an a$$h*le. Fire him and replace him with someone who listens to other people's ideas." Instead I had to go on for page after page of "interpersonal differences" and different "management theories" and styles that could provide solutions to the conflict and "restore effective communication." (By the way, I've changed enough of the details here not to have this linked to anyone's paper, lest the allegations start flying).

The guy taking his MBA course is paying ridiculous amounts of money to an institution not for an education, but for a piece of paper that certifies his immersion in a bulls-i* bath, and most of the instructors and administrators (and people holding MBAs) know it. Though this doesn't make what we do right, I think it does lessen the wrongness of it because there is no real harm.

Whew. Glad I got that off my chest. Back to the grind...
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 17, 2009 | #112
Don't be stupid,

She can't help it. Err.. anybody wanna support/defend WB? >.<

I still stand by my statement that the reporter would have visited the address posted on the site regardless of her knowledge of essaywriters being owned by some Ukrainian. She would have done so in order to see if a business that sells homework to students is actually doing so out in the open.

This makes me wonder. Has anybody ever visited ET's office to see if it was actually there?
undertow2  4 | 97  
Sep 17, 2009 | #113
Has anybody ever visited ET's office to see if it was actually there?

Just looked at their site and you have to contact them for their corporate address. Has anyone ever done that?

Just looked at their site and you have to contact them for their corporate address. Has anyone ever done that?

Scratch that, I somehow summoned up the energy to do it myself. Sigh.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 17, 2009 | #114
you have to contact them for their corporate address.

Really? o.O

Scratch that, I somehow summoned up the energy to do it myself. Sigh.

Cool.. I wouldn't have so I'm glad someone else did. >.<
undertow2  4 | 97  
Sep 17, 2009 | #115
I wouldn't have so I'm glad someone else did

I was wondering if you know whether it's a legal requirement to have the postal address on the website? It definitely IS here in the UK, is it the same in the US? If it is, aren't ********* being a little naughty?

Anyway, they haven't got back to me yet. Must be very busy, bless them.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 17, 2009 | #116
I was wondering if you know whether it's a legal requirement to have the postal address on the website?

Nope, I don't, but I know someone who's raring to answer that question whether she actually knows or not she actually knows the right answer. :) However, I think she's still busy sucking on an egg.

If it is, aren't ********* being a little naughty?

Let's see. I think the CNN reporter would be very interested in making a visit to an actual essay mill office. ^_^

Anyway, they haven't got back to me yet. Must be very busy, bless them.

Anything yet?
undertow2  4 | 97  
Sep 19, 2009 | #117
Anything yet?

No, not a sausage.

On their site, they say it might take them up to 3 days to reply. By Monday it will have been 4, and if they haven't replied by then I'll try again.

If they don't reply after another 4 days (i.e. after 8 days), I'll report them to the Federal Trade Commission and any other relevant body. After all, they're legally required to put their physical address on their site.

WritesBeware, you're very hot on stuff like this, do you know anything? Why aren't ********* willing to answer a simple question about where they're based?
WritersBeware  
Sep 19, 2009 | #118
WritesBeware, you're very hot on stuff like this, do you know anything? Why aren't ********* willing to answer a simple question about where they're based?

Perhaps they monitor this forum and have no desire to entertain your competitor-based witch-hunt?

After all, they're legally required to put their physical address on their site.

You are from the UK, so please don't purport to know American law.

I'll report them to the Federal Trade Commission and any other relevant body.

I've been pretty lax in my dealings with you in the past, even though you've come after me from time to time. I've kept my figurative mouth shut about you. However, you're beginning to cross a serious legal line in the sand, and you'd better think very carefully before you bury yourself. I know what you're trying to do by involving me, so I'm going to cut you off right now. I know exactly who you are, where you are, and what .co.uk sites that you own. If you do not promptly acknowledge that you will cease the game that you are playing, I will assume that you plan to continue. I will then post my evidence here and email it to the company of which you are (and have been) libeling and illegally interfering with its prospective economic advantage.
undertow2  4 | 97  
Sep 19, 2009 | #119
I've been pretty lax in my dealings with you in the past

WTF?
WritersBeware  
Sep 19, 2009 | #120
That's not an acknowledgement that you will permanently cease. If you do not provide that specific acknowledgement in your next post, I will make good on my promise.




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