Hey, if $15-$60/page is peanuts then yes, I work for peanuts. ^_^


I don't "grovel" for work. Can I help it if people who visit this board and see how often and how well I own you take a liking to me and hire me for their projects?


Oh please, plead? Really? Let's see some quotes, loser.


You deserve it and you HAVE been discredited multiple times. Don't you get it? Being in this constant state of denial can't be good for your mental health. ^_____^


This claim is fine to me:


I got nothing to say against that. ^_^


There you go again trying to avoid answering a very direct question. I wasn't asking you to enumerate which sites you've accumulated "evidences" against. I was asking you which site do you think would not have been exposed as a scam if it wasn't for your actions. Can't you even name a single site that fits that description? PITIFUL.


Nobody's buying it, loser. You've humiliated yourself far too many times for people to take your crap seriously. You've shown blatant stupidity on matters ranging from business and management to law. You've shown over and over again that the only thing you're really good for is citing errors in spelling and grammar; you're a glorified spelling and grammar checker who's hell bent on staying credible in order to lure unsuspecting newcomers away from the competition. Sorry, that ain't happening anymore. You're done.

LMAO!!! You do that, you big sack of FAILURE. ^___^


Bet you're going to say that you'll be doing extensive research before you answer this question too. :p

PATHETIC.

Nice try but no, that's not what I claimed. I said:


Which means that you and your evidences are not crucial to the exposure of scams in this industry.


Ticktock, loser.. ticktock. ^__________^

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False advertisement is a crime only when a customer actually buys something

fervent, unrelenting, years-long, public support/defense of a belief-in writing-constitutes action in the eyes of the law.

- from the mad imaginings of pretend-lawyer, WritersBeware (2010)

LOL!!! There are so many others but thank you for agreeing to my first example. Now it's my turn. Tell me, what website do you think would not have been uncovered as a scam if it wasn't for you and why?


ROFLMAO!!! We're all still waiting, dips-i*. ^____^

My first post was a valid comment on the topic.


Can I help it if WB can't stand seeing her ridiculous statements flashed as my signature? :P

Never tried drugs.. that stork thing sounds interesting though. :P

Hey... it's a hobby. >.<


ROFLMAO!!!

Dufus, did I ever claim that EW wasn't legally liable for anything? I claimed that it didn't matter for clients and writers in this industry and that EW would probably never get prosecuted anyway, but I never said that EW wasn't violating any laws. I did say however that EW's writers (past or present) are absolutely without any legal liability for EW's actions.


Nice try, but that debate ended when you said and I quote:


One, it's not an assertion, it's fact. Two, you can't make the argument above without FIRST admitting to all of your stupidity regarding false advertising laws. DO THAT FIRST, and then I'll give you an answer that will just HUMILIATE you all over again. ^________________^


Oh, please there are plenty. For example, can you honestly claim that Peter Richardson would not have been exposed as a scam if it wasn't for you? Give me a break. :p

WB is a washed up loser who has been proven to exhibit levels of stupidity that ought to be considered illegal in civilized societies. She is a pretend-lawyer who has gotten her a** kicked far too many times for ANY of her opinions to be taken seriously.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!! We'll be waiting, dbag.

Nice try but once again, you're just mashing together true and false statements to make you seem believable. In order for one to be charged with false advertising, there must be a complaint. I doubt that there would be any complaints against say.. websites that claim to sell live unicorns. However, websites that claim to sell termpapers written by people with PhDs is another matter. If that website falsely advertises, its competition can sue it for false advertising REGARDLESS of whether the website was actually able to sell anything. THAT is what the Lanham Act is all about, Miss Pretend-Lawyer.

Hahaha!!! You have been completely humiliated in an issue that you handpicked and now you can't handle the b**-hslapping that comes with losing. YOU ARE PATHETIC.

People can see the full details of WB getting utterly humiliated from the link below: essayscam.org/forum/gt/substantive-issues-essay-industry-1943/ [Substantive issues in the essay industry]


Anyone who reads that thread would see that all WB proved was that I am in fact a native English speaking writer who wanted to hide my identity by posing as an exceptionally qualified ESL writer. Did WB's "expose" adversely affect my credibility as a writer? Heck no, it even improved it. Did WB's "expose" prove that I have broken any laws? On the contrary, it actually proved that EVEN IF I advertised myself as an American writer, I'm not breaking any laws since hey, I am from the U.S. of A.

WB is a washed up loser who has been proven to exhibit levels of stupidity that ought to be considered illegal in civilized societies. She is a pretend-lawyer who has gotten her a** kicked far too many times for ANY of her opinions to be taken seriously. Her tactic is to expose some sites that are already known scams, so that she can sneak in unsubstantiated opinions every now and then. Despicable.


It's not a suggestion, it's the law:

§ 43 (15 U.S.C. §1125). False designations of origin; false description or representation
(a) (1) Any person who, on or in connection with any goods or services, or any container for goods, uses in commerce any word, term, name, symbol, or device, or any combination thereof, or any false designation of origin, false or misleading description of fact, or false or misleading representation of fact, which--

(A) is likely to causeconfusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive as to the affiliation, connection, or association of such person with another person, or as to the origin, sponsorship, or approval of his or her goods, services, or commercial activities by another person, or

(B) in commercial advertising or promotion, misrepresents the nature, characteristics, qualities, or geographic origin of his or her or another person's goods, services, or commercial activities, shall be liable in a civil action by any person who believes that he or she is or is likely to be damaged bysuch act.

law.uconn.edu/homes/swilf/ip/statutes/lanham43.htm

Now ain't THAT an oxymoron? ^_^ By allegedly uncovering scam sites, a message board inadvertently promotes sites that are claimed to not be scam sites.

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False advertisement is a crime only when a customer actually buys something

fervent, unrelenting, years-long, public support/defense of a belief-in writing-constitutes action in the eyes of the law.

- from the mad imaginings of pretend-lawyer, WritersBeware (2010)

True.


False and LAME.

That was too pathetic, mashing a true and a false statement together to hide your failure.

All 5 statements must be proven.

Do any of the 5 statements even imply that a sale is necessary? No.

You lost in a debate topic of your choosing, how sad is that?

emma99, If you believe any of this character's opinions, she probably would be able to sell you that bridge.


If the site claimed that their word counts excluded references then you have legitimate grounds to complain. I for one would prefer writing a 2000-word paper requiring only 2 references over a 2000-word paper requiring 20. Thus, I can see why it is reasonable for orders to include references as part of their word count. It simply reflects the cost associated with the difficulty of finding legitimate sources for a given topic.

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One is only liable to false advertising charges if a customer actually bought the product being falsely advertised.

fervent, unrelenting, years-long, public support/defense of a belief-in writing-constitutes action in the eyes of the law.

- from the mad imaginings of pretend-lawyer, WritersBeware (2010)

Haven't you heard? WB makes use of "general statistics" in substantiating her quantitative claims.

______________________________________________________________
One is only liable to false advertising charges if a customer actually bought the product being falsely advertised.

fervent, unrelenting, years-long, public support/defense of a belief-in writing-constitutes action in the eyes of the law.

- from the mad imaginings of pretend-lawyer, WritersBeware (2010)

Here are the actual provisions of the Lanham Act which undoubtedly shows that actual purchase of a product is not necessary to prove false advertising (contrary to the wild imaginings of pretend-lawyer, WritersBeware).

§ 43 (15 U.S.C. §1125). False designations of origin; false description or representation
(a) (1) Any person who, on or in connection with any goods or services, or any container for goods, uses in commerce any word, term, name, symbol, or device, or any combination thereof, or any false designation of origin, false or misleading description of fact, or false or misleading representation of fact, which--

(A) is likely to causeconfusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive as to the affiliation, connection, or association of such person with another person, or as to the origin, sponsorship, or approval of his or her goods, services, or commercial activities by another person, or

(B) in commercial advertising or promotion, misrepresents the nature, characteristics, qualities, or geographic origin of his or her or another person's goods, services, or commercial activities, shall be liable in a civil action by any person who believes that he or she is or is likely to bedamaged by such act.

law.uconn.edu/homes/swilf/ip/statutes/lanham43.htm

Since freelance writers are not in any way connected with a company's marketing team, false advertising occurs without any participation from the writer at all. Furthermore, it is reasonable to think that a false advertisement/misprepresenting statement is always posted without the writers' knowledge, making it impossible for the writer to have had any say (or any part) in the decision of the company to falsely advertise. Lastly (and as I already pointed out in a previous post), false advertising occurs regardless of whether or not a company actually has freelance writers to begin with. A misrepresentation of having PhD holding writers is as bad a crime whether the company has no writers with PhDs or a company has no writers at all.

This definitely and with finality proves that a freelance writer plays no part in a company's false advertising practices and so is not legally liable for them.

O.O Are you REALLY believing what you're typing? No purchase, no crime? LOL!!!! You're just about to get buried deeper in your own s-i*.

Here are the Proof Requirements for a false advertising claim:

To establish that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things:
(1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity;
(2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceivea substantial portion of its targeted audience;
(3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience;
(4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce;
and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff.
The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer.

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/False+Advertising

Do the above proof requirements mandate that a purchase to be made before a company becomes liable for a false advertisement? NO. WritersBeware is trying to use pure attitude to try and escape another beating. We all know it won't work. She has definitely made an a** of herself once again.


Oh, I beg to disagree. ^____^ However, I doubt that WRT, FreelanceWriter, Pheelyks or any of the other people that you fantasize about being friends with will come to your rescue. I don't think that ANYONE in their right mind would side with you on yet another silly, grossly ignorant, unbelievably stupid claim.


This is a fine addition to my list of reasons why WBIASD (WritersBeware is a stupid dolt). Thanks. ^_____^

I'm ignorant? LOL!!!! I've just added a new statement the list of WB's stupid antics.

WritersBeware BELIEVES that in order for a company to be GUILTY of false advertising, a customer must have purchased a product from it.


Now who's quoting OUT OF CONTEXT? I wonder why you didn't include the rest of that statement... Oh, I know.. because if you did, your FAILURE would be all the more obvious.

What is illegal is the potential to deceive, which is interpreted to occur when consumers see the advertising to be stating to them, explicitly or implicitly, a claim that they may not realize is false and material. The latter means that the claim, if relied on for making a purchasing decision, is likely to be harmful by adversely affecting that decision. Evidence must be obtained for what consumers saw the ad saying, and for the materiality of that, and for the true facts about the advertised item, but no evidence is required that actual deception occurred, or that reliance occurred, or that the advertiser intended to deceive or knew that the claim was false.

What is illegal is making a claim such that IF the claim is relied upon by potential customers, it would lead them to making harmful choices. What needs to be proven is not that customers actually made harmful choices, but rather that the claim is likely to lead them into making such choices.

You are soooooooo dumb about the law, aren't you? I DARE you to ask your "friends'" opinions on this one. C'mon, chicky chicky... let's see you ask them. ^_________^

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Are you serious?!? REALLY? A company only becomes culpable of false advertsing AFTER a customer pays? Wooohoooooo!!!! Judge/Attorney/Stupidhead WritersBeware has just overturned court rulings across 50 states in the U.S.

What is illegal is the potential to deceive, which is interpreted to occur when consumers see the advertising to be stating to them, explicitly or implicitly, a claim that they may not realize is false and material. The latter means that the claim, if relied on for making a purchasing decision, is likely to be harmful by adversely affecting that decision. Evidence must be obtained for what consumers saw the ad saying, and for the materiality of that, and for the true facts about the advertised item, but no evidence is required that actual deception occurred, or that reliance occurred,or that the advertiser intended to deceive or knew that the claim was false.

worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/False_advertising

Game, set, and...............................MATCH!!!!! ^________________^

No, the writer does not.


That's where you are utterly and ridiculously WRONG. See, I knew that this was what you had in mind. The problem is that writers are not essential to the equation of false advertisement. A company that falsely advertises having writers with PhDs can operate JUST AS WELL as a company that falsely advertises having ANY writers at all.

Actually having or not having writers DOES NOT in any way affect the crime that a company commits when it falsely advertises. Thus, a writer cannot be treated as an accessory/accomplice to false advertising simply by being employed as a freelance writer by a company that practices false advertising.


You wish. You LOSE again. Any other "substantive" issues you want to engage me on? ^__^

WTF?!? Didn't I just splatter your guts all over the pavement? Why do you always try to pull a fast one on readers by making it seem like you always win when in fact, all you have proven in this thread is that you can't even support your own arguments in the issues that you yourself handpicked as substantive? >.<

Once again:

How does the writer contribute? How does the writer make the false advertisement/misrepresentation more effective. C'mon pretend-lawyer, this will all come falling down on you yet again. I already know what you're going to say next and I already know what's wrong with it. So let's end your misery, shall we? You're inability to answer the question above grossly highlights your FAILURE in defending your stand on this topic.

Gosh.. if you FAIL in these issues that you claim are substantive, it's no wonder why you get utterly trashed in other relevant issues that you refuse to admit are substantive.

In that little world inside your head, maybe. In the real world where the rest of us are? Take a guess. ^_^


So how does the writer contribute? How does the writer make the false advertisement/misrepresentation more effective. I'd love to read your explanation on this one.


How so? C'mon pretend-lawyer, this will all come falling down on you yet again. I already know what you're going to say next and I already know what's wrong with it. So let's end your misery, shall we?

Wow, that was stupid. Why didn't you quote the rest of the statement, moron?


You lose again. >.<


Oh please, quit playing lawyer. Any competent judge will interpret the law your way? Really? And you know this because? I never said location was the issue, nincompoop.


More of your flawed interpretation of the law. The writer does not contribute at all to the false advertisement by writing papers and so can do as he or she pleases. Even if you take the writer out of the company, it won't affect the company's false advertising at all.

Don't you EVER get tired of getting humiliated?

Everyone can see that this law refers to the company as the defendant, not a company's writers. That is, unless the writers themselves falsely misrepresent their qualifications to clients.

Writers do not assist in the commission of false advertising/misrepresentation of companies. But hey, I'll give you knowledge. Now here's the rest of the law from the links you provided.

To distinguish the criminal culpability of one from another, the common law developed specialized terms for the various ways in which one could be an accomplice. For instance, a "principal in the first degree" was the person who actually carried out a crime. A "principal in the second degree" (an "aider and abettor") was a helper who was present at a crime scene but in a passive role, such as acting as a "lookout."An "accessory before the fact" was a helper who was not present at the crime scene.While some state laws retain the common law terminology, few states make any distinction between the criminal liability of crime perpetrators and their accomplices. All can be punished equally, whether they actually perpetrate a crime or only help bring it about.

Based on the definitions above, is a writer a principal in the second degree? No. Is a writer an accessory? No. The writer does not in any way help in committing false advertisement/misrepresentation and so is not in any way liable. Furthermore, EVEN IF we assume that mere knowledge of false advertising/misrepresentation being committed counts as a crime (and I am NOT saying that it is), all that a writer needs to do is to report the crime and demand for authorities to force the company he or she is working for to stop misrepresenting his or her credentials.

You lose (was there really any doubt?).

So what is it about? It's not just about companies saying that their writers have PhDs when they actually don't? If it is then my position remains. A writer cannot be held liable for the actions of the company that he or she works for, PERIOD. ^_^

Quote the false advertising law that implicates them.


When did I do that? I already said that writers are free to work for any company regardless of whether that company would falsely advertise their qualifications or not. There's no oversimplification there.

Nope, I'm claiming that false advertisement laws do not extend to employees of a company, much less to freelance employees.


Riiiight... too bad you'll end up the only one saying so (oh like so many times before). :p


No, but these are absolutely hilarious:

Nope. you said it yourself, and don't give me none of that "it's a general statement" bull. If there are countless, foreign ESL writers, what do you propose many of them do for a living?


I don't contest this.


Sites that cheat their writers and their clients are blights in this industry. However, none of the misrepresentations matter if both the clients and the writers end up satisfied. Furthermore, writers are free to work where they wish, and do not face any legal consequences if they choose to work for sites that falsely advertise their background.


Sure it does. I did say that a writer can earn a decent living from ew if the writer is careful, but I also have claimed several times that ew cheats both its writers and its clients at every opportunity.


Even if that was true, that does not mean that there aren't any legitimate foreign sites. It also does not mean that the number of these legitimate foreign sites does not equal or exceed the number of legitimate American sites. It just means that there are a lot more foreign sites than American sites altogether, which is probably true since foreign sites are able to charge much lower prices because of exchange rate advantages.


and customers have no right to submit the papers that they buy as their own work. Yet they do anyway. Like I said, this industry is all about results. Customers can visit sites like this and find out for themselves which sites are foreign and which ones are not. I have nothing against sites getting exposed as being foreign or misrepresenting writers' qualifications.


Wrong. Writers have a right to protect their identity. I don't feel comfortable telling a client where I live and where I went to school. I'm sure that clients feel the same about sharing their personal information with their writers.


That's something companies can settle with complainants in court. No writer (freelance or otherwise), can be held legally liable for false advertising committed by the company he or she works for.


In the matter of writers in the essay writing industry, this does not apply. Writers will never be liable for the actions of their companies. They have nothing to fear.

I don't think that there's any problem with the writer posting the name and order number. Admin has these information themselves and more, and can blackmail the client if they so chose.

Yes, I did use that email.

You're right. It costs a lot to get full copies of published papers from paid online academic databases.

Well if it's any help, I actually did get paid everything I was owed. They even sent me an email asking if they still owed me anything.

..and people reading this should believe you because?

It's NEVER a good idea to implicitly advertise one's own website using some silly skit about a character allegedly receiving a good product.

And then what? Are you going to share her email with other unsuspecting clients? ^_^

IMO, being given a longer deadline has merits that deserve some discount on prices. I agree that a longer deadline doesn't mean that a writer would devote more (or less) total time per word on the project than he/she would a project with a tighter deadline, but having a longer deadline means being able to work on the project a little at a time. When given a lengthy project (say 10,000 words) with a long deadline (say a month), I usually work on 1000-word chunks of the project every other day. This makes the project easier to do than having to write it in one sitting. However, customers should realize that there is obviously a cap on the amount of discount that can be given for more time. For example, a client should not expect to pay any less for a project due in 30 days than a project due in 10. Setting this cap is of course the prerogative of the writer.

Yeah! ^_^

Hmm... I also have an e-check that's supposed to clear on Sept 1. I actually just sent them another completed order and am waiting for my client's response. I'll let you know if the e-check clears. Thanks for bringing this up. Now I'm going to wait for my e-check to clear before sending them any other completed orders.

My e-check payment was also canceled. I already sent them an email asking for an explanation and requested for any further payments to be made as instants. I will also not send them any more pending orders until they clear these payment problems.

Hi. I got my payment. Did you get yours?

O.o You're hopeless. Don't answer the question if you can't, ok? Again, no one is forcing you.

See how that bites you back again? ^_^ Have a pleasant evening.

What jig, Sherlock? o.O Do you think that if didn't want to acknowledge the connection of this thread to the other, I'd have mentioned the connection several times? Keep chasing jellyfish with your yellow, spongy friend.

I'm getting back to work. Re-posting the topic progress one more time:

So far, everyone agrees that such evaluations are at least partly valid. Allow me to now pose a second question. To what degree do you think should university professors in subjects other than English (Chemistry, Calculus, History, etc.) have mastery over the English language (in the context of tertiary level institutions that have English as the language of instruction)? Should the mastery only be at the level of an average university graduate or should it be higher, such as the level of a graduate who majored/minored in English?

Errr... come again? I already explained that this thread was inspired by a question you couldn't bring yourself to answering. I even explained it to FW when you tried to sway him into thinking that this was about an entirely different topic. I found it interesting that you couldn't answer the question, so I posed it for everyone to know if the question really is so hard to answer. Apparently, it isn't. ^___^

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So far, everyone agrees that such evaluations are at least partly valid. Allow me to now pose a second question. To what degree do you think should university professors in subjects other than English (Chemistry, Calculus, History, etc.) have mastery over the English language (in the context of tertiary level institutions that have English as the language of instruction)? Should the mastery only be at the level of an average university graduate or should it be higher, such as the level of a graduate who majored/minored in English?

Since you can't even bring yourself to answer the straightforward questions posed in this thread, you have no right to demand answers from me. ^_^