I have a problem with your business practices and deception. That's all. If the New York Times advertised here and you - as a direct competitor - tried to attack them without a sensible reason, I would defend them too.

FACTS:

1. You viciously attacked and defamed your competitors without a serious reason.

2. I and other members examined your own site and we concluded it was illegal and deceptive.

3. Now you're trying to shift the blame to something/someone else.

Anything else?

I meant defamation.

You don't know when to stop, do you. You hate your clients, but love their money; at least you're being honest about that.


I'm not surprised. You use big words, but it may be concluded that the level of your knowledge and your learning curve is very shallow. You keep posting what you've done or haven't done, you keep wild-guessing, but you've been ignorant to the very basic laws and business concepts. It's time for you to go back to 101 and start again.

They just know the law, and you don't. They know how writing services work, and you don't. Or you pretend you don't know (actually, it might be smart of you to pretend you knew nothing before you'd slandered the other services). Maybe FreelanceWriter will be able to explain it to you better (you may ask him if he has ever been ordered to write a paper he's not interested to write).


They also offer 'High-School' level if you missed that.

Again, you need to educate yourself on how example writing and research services work. They all hire independent freelance writers; in result, editor75 (for example) or another good writer may have an account with them. Having ordered one essay, you tested a single freelance writer who happens to have an account with them. Next time your order might have been picked by a better (or worse) writer.


It's not a copyright issue; your obvious slander is more serious.


So you have received a private invitation from admin to join the forum and public visitors cannot read the discussions?


This is laughable. You provide a writing service for students; they provide a writing service for students. That's all a judge would need to know.

BTW - what 'academic level' did you choose when you ordered your essay? Don't you think it could be a very relevant point of discussion?

You forgot you are competing with the services you're trying to slander. Your test orders are as valid as testimonies of family members trying to protect another family member. What you do is a form of a deceptive trade practice. You should do yourself a favour and stop your illegal practices on a public forum.

@graphophobius
You have already proven to be a little man, with no integrity, unable to exist without trying to find fault with others. How sad is that.

You tried and failed again to discredit your competition... There are better and more legitimate ways to compete.

If you take the illegality of your operations so lightly I don't even want to know your reaction to possible plagiarism accusations made by your customers.

So we can safely assume your service has been fraudulent and illegal until now? If so, don't you think it might've been wiser to focus on cleaning up your operations rather than trying to slander your competition?

Because you obviously cannot compete with your offer, so you're attacking other services without a serious reason. Would you like representatives of the other services to order a technical research paper from you and then call you a scam because you are incapable of researching technical topics? Probably not.

Not to mention - the claims on your Wordpress site are illegal. You cannot offer a 'passing grade' service to students (unless you are based in a third-world country where US laws don't apply).

If you are equally perceptive of your clients' needs then I can only be sorry for them.


You don't write any technical essays, do you? If you did, you'd have known how forum software works (or doesn't work). I'm not here to educate you - you may google it. At least we know your Internet and IT education started and ended in 1997.


What do you mean by 'known scammers.'? Your level of technical education proves you are not qualified to compose anything more than a literature review; maybe editor75 will do a sting operation to see if you actually accept orders you aren't able to successfully complete.

So you designed this particular site before 1997?

Don't you think that trying to make a point that a service is fraudulent by making fraudulent claims is tacky? ;)

That's a very good test (I wonder who was the lucky writer who took this order and what their location / credentials are).

So we know they actually write a paper and deliver it ahead of time. Regarding the quality, it depends on student needs (ESL / average students may be the best fit).

The final two questions:

1. How much total did you pay?
2. How much would you personally charge for the same kind of essay (written to your highest standards)?

Then a prospective client may compare the cost vs. quality and consider their options.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious. You have (incorrectly) assumed there was some kind of hierarchy here. Now you're trying to answer your own question. At least you came to the right conclusion.


No, we are trying to find the logic in your posts.


It's not a classroom.

I don't "have to," but I can. You can, too. So far 2 out of 3 topics you started are off-topic.. I wonder who has nothing to contribute.

In order to comply with your college/university policies, you may not submit a custom written paper as your own for a grade.

I'm sure it is not OK to do that, sorry..

You may read their TOS that should explain how you may or may not use their research service. Why do you ask?

What do you mean by "run the show"? Everybody has a chance to express their opinions; however, some members are very good at pointing out BS so be careful ;). I like this forum because it doesn't censor almost anything (if it does, it lands in the garbage thread which is still available to the public).

Of course it's not hidden - because your agenda is to build your own brand and obtain more clients. It doesn't change the fact you also have an agenda.

If you want to be truly honest, all you have to do is to order from the allegedly fraudulent company and then share your story. Place a test order and post the paper here (or let us know if they don't send you anything). For now, you don't have any proof the company (or rather a writer who might've been assigned to work on your order) is fraudulent.

Regarding 'the constant arguing, name-calling, and general vitriol' - it's business as usual. Nobody (with exceptions) wants to reveal who they really are to avoid scrutiny or to disclose their own hidden agendas ;). I sort of understand members like WB who have actually experienced how the business works and know for a fact that out of 100 writers from Africa, 90 would lie about their location or credentials. There's often a similar pattern among some clients who may claim they have been defrauded by "Essay Service X," but - when the real facts come out - it turns out that they (not the service) are to blame.

So.. give yourself more time, study new (and old) threads posted here, personally experience a few fraudulent chargebacks, receive a totally plagiarized paper from a subcontractor who have claimed to have graduated from the Oxford University and is in fact a scammer from Africa.. and then post your revised story here ;).

I wonder what students do when writers work on their model research papers..

It is strongly recommended not to go more than 3 days without sleep when working on a serious academic paper ;).

The funny part is that it's a real story :).

A typical story of an ESL essay writer located in Africa:

1. My real name is: Adongo Ogotas and I live in Kenya. I chose a serious-sounding English name: Paul Boldens, PhD and registered a new email: paul.boldens.phd@gmail.

2. I have created a fake resume and included fake academic credentials (eg. Cambridge Business School graduate). I have even photoshoped a fake diploma that looks almost like a real one.

3. I have sent this fake resume and writing samples to selected UK and US writing services. When they asked me to fill out a tax form, I provided a fake address, fake social SS#, and a fake phone number (this one actually real - my buddy works in a car repair shop).

4. I've been accepted as a writer and have even managed to complete a couple of orders (all required a serious revision though).

Finally, after yet another revision, they have realized that I'm not Paul Boldens, PhD, and that I use fake/proxy servers.

I repeat the points above and life goes on ;).

Your improved analogy is good too..

My "problem" is seeing a bigger picture. I see the example academic research industry as a public beach. I don't have a "problem" with people (ie. writers) who visit the beach and pick up their own litter. But when there are more and more of those who don't do that and assume it's not their responsibility to keep the beach clean, then it's probably not something worth promoting.

My problem is that more and more academic writers conclude that following the established laws or standards are what only companies should worry about. And being a freelance writer means no laws or standards need to be followed.

"...Do you want to improve your grade? Choose a freelance writer who can write a great essay for you and will even instruct you how not to get caught when you submit it as your own."

In the long term it's not good for either side.

I refer to TOS of individual freelance writers who work directly with their clients to provide academic research/writing/editing services. Sorry for not having been clear enough.

I'm trying to have a conversation.. I'm just insinuating that the majority of professional freelance writers (especially those who have no service website and work through email only) have no Terms of Service available to their clients. But I could be wrong, so you may express your opinion ;).

You may actually refer to this thread and answer there if you have something to add.

The answer is - I was referring to your (ie. a freelance writer's) terms of service.

When you send a quote or link to pay, do you include your Terms of Service? For example, do you inform your clients how they may use / not use the work etc?

Hm, as a professional freelance writer you don't have a Terms of Service available to your clients?

It's surely not 100%. Trends don't lie and while they are not 100% accurate, they are accurate enough for a reasonable buyer.

This thread is worth bumping - plus I noticed a new, funny one too: https://freelanceessaywriters.com/angry-writers