pheelyks is not still posting, has been banned from the forum, and, while posting, admitted to giving a customer's identity to their university instead of giving them a refund for shoddy work... far from legit behavior.

generally, no.


nice one. and thanks for the fascinating story about failing out of law school. encore!

Most essay writers get work from term paper mills are considered independent contractors. perhaps a better word is, "contacts."

as for making $80K plus, good luck. I think a few writers on this board who tend towards self-promotion may exaggerate a bit. then again, I suppose it's possible; I'd imagine you'd need private clients, work from 3 or 4 companies at once, or some combination of those.

ugh, let's all post our boring sleep schedules.

a normal person writing term papers full time makes about as much as a teacher, ironically enough, but with no benefits and questionable job stability. it's the same curve, too-- you make less and work more at first, and wind up making more and working less. I like to see it as the inverse angle of teaching. though with a lot of teaching and professor jobs being farmed out to "assistants" nowadays, there may be no difference.

it will likely be a few years before you develop the contracts you need to make it full time, if this is your goal, so till then, I'd consider it extra income. that's what I do anyway; I think this is a silly thing to think of as one's career.

great, now this thread has to be constantly updated to keep it in client view.

mods, just open the DND list!

I think you're overestimating potential customers' intelligence and patience, EW. I would wager most of them don't know the DND list exists.

client poster: "hey, I'm thinking about ordering from (*DND)..." (post deleted)
ex writer: "don't do it, (*DND) is a scam!" (post deleted)

how does this help anyone?

as I remember it, RWC had higher-paying orders as well.

[Moved from]:

DND List makes Zero Sense?

this is supposed to be a legitimate forum for outing scams in the essay industry.

how can people out scams when they can't name names?

sounds like you worked for essaywriters.net[DND*], or maybe academia-research.com. they love to bait and switch writers.

stu4 hates and steals from his writers-- vacation would never occur to him naturally. if you write for his company, you can't afford to leave the house (or pay your bills).

come to think of it, I think the company was RWC. I'm not sure if they are based in China (might be the Philippines), but I think so... and the owner is definitely Chinese.

quit while you're ahead.

depending on complexity and deadline, expect anywhere from $6 to $20 per page. watch out for companies offering orders below $5/page.

go ahead and type "essaywriter.co.uk" into the search field, and see what you get.

it seems they are a notorious scam.

I worked for a company based in China a few years ago-- I forget what they were called. I'll have to look into it. I only was with them for a few months, but they were generally very efficient, had a good back-end setup, and, most importantly, they paid.

not to disparage, and just for the sake of clarity, I think Meo means that "making" students write term papers outside of their area of expertise is ineffective.

getting someone to do something requires an infinitive, and doesn't convey the correct meaning.

causatives are difficult, Meo; keep practicing.

that said, written communication is an effective skill to have, no matter what your major.

I hate it when students get caught by their professor, and come back for a revision. "the professor says it's not in my voice. can you change it to make it more like my voice?"

if you're a student, and your professor calls you in to talk about the paper, the best thing to do is to say that a tutor helped you. stick to your guns, and admit nothing.

stu4 is just bitter and probably guilty about how he feels he has to rob his own writers, so he makes it seem like they're the bad guys.

"professional writers" work in journalism, copy-writing, publishing, etc... in other words, they have respectable jobs. term paper mills are for hacks, or slumming professional writers doing hack-work.

the basic math is simple when you break it down into an hourly wage: divide quantity by quality.

same old dead horse, too...

welcome to the snake pit.

I just reread this thread, and I just had to say, thank God they're gone.

most freelance writers in this industry are independent, to the extent that they are able to write for as many companies as they can without a conflict of interest. some still have time to find clients here, on top of everything else; I guess it's good to stay busy.

but when someone says, "I don't write for any companies," but still wants your business here on the forum, that's a signal for you to use caution. there's likely a good reason that person isn't able to get work the easy way.

haha... gee!

• 
  good luck, Meo
  

I like watching MeowCon stumble around in WB's old clown shoes.

post the paper here, eat the loss, and be wiser next time.

"fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me."

I'm not talking about a chargeback. I'm talking about tracking you down and dragging you to court.

I'm not sure why everyone thinks I don't have a job, but I'm doing fine. just because I refused to be a slave at your company, doesn't mean that I don't have a job.

I speak three languages.

as for your contracts being fair or being made between sane people, I'm sorry, but, as usual, the customer is stuck with no recourse in your phony contract; though in your case, even if they outed themselves as a cheater and got a lawyer, they'd find themselves having to go international to even find you.

and in further terms of your correction of the term, "slave," stu4, you're absolutely right: at the end of the day, a slave is still a slave. s/he doesn't start with anything, and goes to sleep on the floor with nothing.

a writer at your company, though: they're not even a slave. they start with $300, and wind up $300 in the hole. a writer for your company is more like the victim of a random street robbery than a slave.

Okay, if you insist. I've written for both, and they have a lot in common.

1) companies like stu4's hire anyone and everyone who passes a basic test, and many who don't. writers are then fined without being rewarded; often, they are fined more than they make. those who don't quit, become like slaves.

2) customer support at companies like stu4's is outsourced and staffed 24-7 with people who don't speak English well, and aren't very well-trained. they have fake names like "Brandy" and "Mike." they are available 24-7, but can't do much of anything to help anyone.

3) website design at stu4-type companies, which often does not differ at all between subsidiary companies and sometimes even competitors, is very well-done and efficient. however, often, there are so many orders, and so few writers qualified to do them, that orders simply tumble from the website with no writer. I'm not talking about a few; I'm talking about hundreds. I assume that the customer waits a few weeks during this process, and then gets nothing but frustration, and, possibly, but probably not, a partial refund. am I right, stu4?

4) like all term-paper mills, the "stu4 design" completely shafts its customers with contracts which leave them stuck firmly between a rock and a hard place.

5) in many countries, including the US and UK, a company could never get away with the first process listed above. #s 2-4 seem to be SOP worldwide, but sites like stu4's have that extra boost you can only get by having slaves.

ironically, I think it makes for tougher competition for Western-based essay companies, which aren't allowed to have slaves. in the end, it's not the customer who benefits.

stu, does your company own EW.net or A-R.com? I forget.

thanks for bringing new life to this necro thread, tester.

it reminds me: if we can't discuss ET, we can discuss Student Network Resources, ET's parent company, right? this seems like an easy loophole around a recent problem.

really? are you sure you wouldn't really like to go **** your mother?

increase the dosage!

I don't trawl for customers here, or cross handles. go pay your employees, and then check yourself into a mental health clinic. you can tell the nice doctors all about your big plans and your lawyers.

who says I don't know your excuses? anyway, in the void of knowing, believe what you will. it matters very little to me.

bump
WRT has long been exposed as a fraudster, and has now expanded her tantrums to necro threads.

how exactly did you "demolish" me, you manic con-artist?

and who's "we?"

if you had any friends here in the first place, you weird drama-queen, you don't anymore.

and no, quitting AR didn't make me "desperate for business--" not that you or WB had anything to do with that. after I quit, I got other hooks in other places I'm not going to blab about here. let's just say it hits pretty close to home for you, so watch what you say to me.

ah, the worm has really turned, WRT. I remember when you were on a hair trigger about some misunderstood smack-talk you took as being about your scam company, which has now been openly exposed on these boards. you looked like a fool then, and you look like one now.

here's a question for you: what are you doing back here? don't you have any shame?

get back out, and stay out. check yourself into a mental clinic-- you're posting in 50 threads at once, raving about things that happened years ago, and referring to yourself as "we." you really need help!

maybe FW is still here because he's waiting for you to pay him.

students and other prospective customers/writers: try typing ukessays.co.uk into the search function before you believe this poster. this company has many complaints!

Does that mean I get an answer?

+1

unfortunately, many customers cannot spot this, and writers like MarsVictor are going to be the last ones to downplay their language ability (which hypothetical disclaimer, promoted by the late WB, remains a hilarious fantasy in the capable hands of FW) to a potential customer.

btw, MarsVictor, you never answered my question: are you from the Philippines, or aren't you?