company because of who owns them is disconcerting and again... makes those doing it look suspicious. The question was "if you write for essaywriters will you get paid" and the debate... all three of them... answered that question.

*Her claims were that they didn't have a LLC on file in VA... which they did.
*That their hiring adverts were false... which they weren't as far as the law was concerned.
*That their adverts to consumer where false and misleading - which the one was but was also corrected in the contents of the site and again... not a violation of the law.

*That they were owned by a company that has other proven scam companies - which isn't relevant to the discussion.


There are all sort of companies around the world that are reputable companies and are owned by parent companies that do own others that aren't so reputable... Look into the parent companies of most your large corporations and you will find at least one "shady" company owned by some sort of associate of the reputable company.

Her evidence was false because it was. She stated there was NO LLC and there is. She posted adverts of this other company which were irrelevant... I don't know a thing about superiorpapers, I didn't look into them and I wasn't arguing about their legitimacy... my only concern was the company I looked into -essaywriters.net.

As I told her time and time again... there is a difference between the opinion of false advertising and legal false advertising... she was using, with one exception (which I ceded), adverts from different companies. I was focused on essaywriters and she was trying to bring a host of other companies into the debate. AS I told her... my only concern and the only company I investigated was essay writers... and as such her claims were false and misleading... as she ran out of steam she began claiming I was a shill and that is when I emphasized her prejudice and blatantly obvious bias and called into question her motives... so, until you can provide true evidence of actual false advertising (being a breach of advertising laws) the best you can say about essaywriters.net's advertising is that you THINK it's misleading or you FEEL it's misleading or it APPEARS to be misleading. Saying it IS false advertising is a false statement on your part. I hate to split hairs but when you accuse a company or person of breaking the law you have to be able to support it per the legal definition of the law and as I have pointed out to her on more than a dozen times... she had no support in her claims.

However, you continue to form your opinions and publish them here... it only goes to support the need for true and accurate information as not everybody is capable of understanding the written English language contained in these threads.

I should also add... if you're looking to write for a site that you should be skilled enough to dig up the truth without having to rely on sites such as this one... if you're not skilled enough... then you really have to ask yourself if you should be writing papers.

Since we're on the topic of how to check out sites you may want to do business with... My first tip would be to stick with word-of-mouth... If you're friends are using a site and they are satisfied with it, why would you look elsewhere? Go with what you know.

However, if you friends aren't using a "service" that you intend... my first impulse is to ask people I know what they use... if they use anything at all. Beyond that you're pretty much on your own. You can check forums and you can check the site up one end and down the other but you'll never really know unless you're willing to invest hours of time checking them out... if you're skilled enough and willing to invest the time learning if a site is a scam or not I would suggest you put that energy into writing your own paper instead... too often the energy we put forth to cheat is greater than the energy that we would expend doing the work ourselves.

I had a reply to this drafted... after considering it, I have changed my mind and will not post it.

I believe the average reader can see that my statements have been fair, balanced and truthful. I'm sorry if the facts don't agree with the opinions of those who have been propagating false and misleading statements. Even IF I were being sponsored by the companies that have been unjustly bashed here, it still doesn't change the facts... that most, if not all, of the statements made about them have been either partially false or completely false. Furthermore, I'm confident that the average person can see the attempts to frame me as a company rep are nothing more than last ditch efforts to discredit me and the truth.

I feel like a ping pong ball... back n forth from this thread to the other... as I said in the other thread... you posted that I was making a claim that this site was up to no good... I cleared up your reading comprehension issues in the other thread... If you want... I'm willing to open an online reading comprehension class... you could have a free lesson... up to you... :)

Um... no I'm not accusing this site of "very devious involvements". I'm sorry, my target readers are those with 10th grade reading levels... so I'll clarify for you... I could see how you saw ".org" and equated that with me accusing this site. What you should have been paying attention to was the word "some". "Some essay companies will even..." at what point did I accuse this site of such behavior?

I post nothing I can't prove. Just as I didn't accuse this site of wrong doing. The simple fact that the site is working means there is no proof that they did wrong. I'm sure that went over your head but hey... what can you do? I have a mountain of proof about the lengths essay companies will go through to win customers over from the competition... long story short, I can back up anything I say and I'm willing to do so off the boards to whoever wants to see it... can you say that?

Do you need me to define that for you? How do you think they "slander" honest companies? Need a compass and a map so you can find the point? Look, I'm not going to argue with you any more on this... just be sure to make it clear if you're posting fact, opinion or fiction. Ok?

You felt patronized? I Thought it was sorta funny. What's your name have to do with it? Everything! Again... as stated before... it is my opinion... based on your user name... (here's where I should've added more to it) your past postings... the sentence structure... the targets of your posts... the fact that there was no evidence to support the claims made on the other site and I'm sure you knew there wasn't... but you posted it anyway... why? Could be because you saw another thing you could attack foreign essay companies with... again... just so we're clear... this is all just my opinion... not fact... I could be all wrong here.... but I doubt it... seldom is my first impression the wrong one... but hey... it's happened before... just an opinion WritersBeware... nothing more nothing less.

I've included a definition for you so there's no misunderstanding:

Opinion: A personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty.

I hope that wasn't to patronizing.

And Lex is right. I want to prevent what happened last week so what do you say we just agree to disagree and leave it at that... but know if you do post untrue information I will expose it... nothing personal, just my self-appointed reason for being.

That is the cause of more trouble than anything else... ;)

The problem is that if they're going to these sites to purchase work in the first place odds are they wouldn't be able to identify what is opinion and what is fact... these scam-artists that haunt these "scam-prevention" sites under the guise of warning future "victims", make me sick. They pose as victims of certain essay sites or present themselves as an authority of essay sites when in fact they're nothing more than "paid bloggers" of a sort for companies directly in competition with the companies they bash.

Take me for example. I've been accused of being an agent for the oversea companies. I haven't promoted one company. From the start all I have been doing is disproving false evidence presented by less than honorable people on this site. As I stated in a post the other week; had I discovered the evidence was factual and true I'd be right beside them condemning the site I was investigating. The fact of the matter is that not one claim she made was true and I pointed that out. Does that make me a representative of the company? Normal people would say no. Agents would say yes. Accusing me and others who disagree with them of being agents is nothing more than an attempt by them to further expand their influence and their false claims and hide the truth about their role in the claims they field.

Some essay companies will even stoop so low as to create a site that presents itself as a sounding board against essay company scams. They use domains ending with .org to lend them a little credibility. Next they contract people, writers they retain to write essays, to bash the competition on the boards. The people who would deceive someone under the guise of helping that person are worse, in my opinion, than any claim made against any of these companies. And yes, I have made it my personal pet project to weed these scums out and expose them for the rats that they are.

What's worse is by doing what some less ethical essay companies do with sites like this one, is they make it virtually impossible for the laymen to come to a "scam-prevention" site and obtain the information they came for in the first place. How are they supposed to know who's credible and who's not? Do you expect them to spend weeks and months as a member before making a decision if X company is less of a farce than Z company because they have to put in the time to find out which members are credible and which ones have agendas? Odds are they're looking for answers now. If you truly want to help people, you do so by being completely honest an open with your claims. You state what is FACT, you state what you THINK is true or you state what is RUMORED to be true. You DON'T pass it all off as fact just because you have a FEELING it is true.

I guess you don't understand 'contact information' but that's ok. You're right; you are entitled to your opinions as long as we're aware they are just that.

For example, based on your user name alone, I would say your only purpose on this site is to sway would-be-customers from oversea companies... I mean why else would you have a user name like that other than to give yourself a false aura of credibility to naive college students... but that's just my opinion... observation perhaps... take your pick.

If the poster's links lead ultimatly to a message board with a member stating the claims don't you think credibility, given the nature of the charge, is a bit questionable? I'd be like using a post from a member here as proof of something somewhere else...

Opinions are fine... when opinions are tried to be passed off as fact... well that's just wrong.

I'll present you the same offer I made her and all who say that about me...

Message me and I will email you my contact information and you can check me out till your heart's content... that includes all sources of my income... I assure you that you will find nothing from any essay company except for my Essaywriters account I created when I decided to investigate them...

LOL. It can get so complicated it'd give us a headache. Yeah, there could be pissed off ex-contractors but man if you widened the scope to include them, you'd have no time for your real job... ya know?

But the ones who over power threads with their opinions or agendas by stating things are facts, when in fact they are false... those are the ones to be very careful... they know if you say it enough and loud enough, people will believe...

Me either. She took it that direction as she started having her lies and misinformation exposed.

When that advice is FAIR AND BALANCED I will be gone... Until then somebody has to work agains those who are putting out false information. Simple as that. YOu don't want me on your case then make sure anything you post you can prove and if you can't be honest in saying you can prove it, or you heard it, or it is your opinion. That's all I'm after... fairness. If these boards are allowed to turn into a sounding board for company reps to put down the competitor via decietful means the this site looses credibility. If you can't see that... I'm sorry.

Gray area Major... If there are provable links between posters like Amy or writersbeware that lead to this site or competition, then an argument can be made that the information was presented to intentionaly damage the company in question for the purpose of gaining profit.

But when that information is unverified and passed off as true you are being libelous and THAT is an actionable offense. Don't think the web can protect you either... one court order and the plaintiff can obtain your IP, name and address.

The tell only what you can prove with real EVIDENCE. Do not pop off at the keyboard because you have a problem with a company. I've already brought one of you down... I'll have no compunction with doing the same to you... You have no idea the resources I have to research the false claims of people on sites like this.

On another note... I deal with words every day... I know when sentence structure and verbiage are a match... I find it odd that Amy dies down and all of a sudden you're there to pick up the torch! Just an observation.

For you're editifcation... here's the link to one of the threads I was talking about...

https://essayscam.org/forum/wc/essaywriters-content-gurus-inside-truth-94/2/

It would seem you didn't take the time to read all my posts... she too was making false claims against a company and I took the time, over two days, to disprove, with real evidence, all her claims... the posts you've reviewed about her are there as a warning to all who come to this site that statements from Amy may not be completely true, if at all. THAT is a bigger service to writers checking here for false sites than what this site is. I find it funny that right away anybody who has something positive to say about oversea essay sites there is always a group of very vocal "members" of this site to keep tossing out claims of wrong doing.

On the chance that the threads in question have been deleted I have copies of the posts and I'll be more than happy to fwd them to you... and it's MR.

I'm sorry but comments on a discussion board by someone doesn't meet the burden of proof...

What you're passing off as proof would be the same as if I were to say:

Writers Beware has been convicted of rape and molestation of children.

Now, if someone were to post a thread much as you have and put a link to this post as proof of their statements would that make it true?

Thread should be deleted.

Quoting: buxy
You'd better read some threads about legit companies at essayscam.org. Hope you'll find some helpful info.
Seems that custompapers were top-ranked by students, though, Ami have mentioned two pioneers from the US that are great.
Good luck.

Quoting: Amy1978, Post #11

Hey gantoris,

You really should have stayed quiet.

I talked to Elizabeth from Essayfraud. They know everything about you, ADEEL JANJUA, owner of Ghost Papers in Pakistan.

You first posted at Essayfraud under the username "Stewdiny." Your IP address matches posts that you have made at Essayfraud, Wikipedia, and another forum. I've seen them. Would you like me to post the IP for everyone to see?

Guess what you posted at Wikipedia? That's right--a link to my term paper space. That is one of the new ripoff sites that you spawned from Ghost Papers and Flash Papers, you FRAUD!

Oh, and not coincidentally, a person (YOU) using the same IP address has deleted EssayFraud's link at Wikipedia, which has earned you vandalism warnings by veteran editors.

Congrats on being a complete moron, and yet another in a long line of Pakistani criminals who prey on the research industry.

I see that Essay fraud has made a special page for you.

essayfraud/fraud-alert.html

LOL

Yes do read some posts on this site... and pay close attention to Amy's claims... notice that most have been exposed as half true or outright lies. Given her lack of research skills and failure to heed such things as burden of proof I would take what she says with caution. As for this one... It would on the surface seem true; however, I wouldn't be surprised if the evidence turns out to be "created" by a site that may employ Amy's "services"... I mean, how many trusted sites do you know that would openly violate privacy laws concerning IP adress'?

I would also point out that the only companies Amy recommends are American ones that are owned by the same parent company... I take it here in America is the only place you can find companies doing legit business?????

So Amy, I suppose the credit card companies are corrupt to? How long do you think a fraudulent company would be serviced by a credit card company? They all must be in bed together to rip off the American student huh? I'm surprise she hasn't jumped in yet to call Bob a liar just as she did to Beth in another thread and how she has to every poster of positive words toward foreign essay companies.

It does seem a tad suspicious that there seems to be a core of posters on both sites who not only have the same sentence structure and verbiage but the same message too... Essay writing is a highly competitive industry... it wouldn't surprise me... but I can't say for sure. I would suggest using other means for researching if a site is a scam or not.

The problem is Amy that just because you type and post your opinion, doesn't make it a fact.

I would suggest nobody take Amy seriously as she constantly posts misinformation and lies under the guise of proof. AS most of you have a brain and are capable of forming your own opinion I suggest you read all of Amy's posts. I'm sure you'll see that a racist/prejudiced attitude have compromised her and has left her feeling the only way she can carry on her quest is to lie to and mislead you.

Again, where is your proof... just because you say so doesn't meet the requirements of proof.

Have you learned nothing Amy? You CAN NOT make claims that you CAN NOT prove. BTW your name and address has been turned over to lawyers for the companies you libeled and you should be hearing from them soon.

That is a very serious claim to make without supporting it with proof... and factual proof at that! If you can't provide such proof this thread should be deleted.

Seems that Amy has a new ID here.

For those of you who may have missed last weeks events... Amy was outed posting false facts, misinformation and outright lies in her quest to prove a certian company crooks. Sentence structure and verbiage in the posts by WritersBeware match hers exactly... I could be wrong... but then again I thought I could've been wrong about Amy and was ultimately proven right...

I draw your attention to the "based on your transaction history... your limits may be raised..."

Uh, has anyone considered for a second that perhaps they did get their limit raised and that level has been reached from time to time?

I don't have the time to list them all and I doubt the webmaster of this site hasn't set the discussion boards up a post that would be as large as what you're requesting me to do.

Not to mention from your silence it appears you've either been fired, banned or scared off... so it would be a waste of time... simply put just read one of your posts... odds are 1:4 that you'll come across one with at least 3 examples.

Now, I'm done with this... IF you have REAL evidence you wish me to respond to I will, if you want me to participate in mudd slinging and name calling, I won't. So, do what you want, just know I will not be drawn into your games any more!

No pious for one main reason; even IF I were affiliated I never used false information in an attempt to prevent anyone from doing legal legitimate business...

If it turns out her motives are as such she's got some serious legal issues, not to mention a huge void of ethics.

Notonyourlife, I say this not to insult you but to advise you, in case you didn't know. As a fellow bad speller, I would suggest you draft your posts in MS Word or other word processing program which has spell check. That way when you're done you can correct the spelling and just copy and paste it into your post.

Also see if you can get your hands on a little program called Word Web. That way when you have a question about a word and its meaning you can just copy it into Wordweb and it gives you the meaning. It would also be a could way to further your writing skills as it will expand your vocabulary.

Hope this helps you out some.

Yes they do seem aimed at american clinets... hmmm.

I'll be in Belmont, CA all next week on business. I have a friend that lives nearby who deals with a lot of UK customers, I'll see what he turns up for me.

oh and I almost forgot... did you notice kissncook on there? yeah, she's a real live person, not me under another user name.... so sad, too bad... another amy lie exposed!

NO Amy. You came right out and said you called and the neighbor and the man said there was no company registered at that address with the name... shoot, I forget the name already it had the word research in it but you get the point... in the end they are registered at that address.... keep going... keep it up. Ugly myspace page? I like my page... don't pick on it... :)

Not going after your personal life Amy, just your professional life and dealings because if you are affiliated with this site or the competition to those companies you are acting in an unethical manner and are subject to civil action and I will be leading the charge to bring you to court. I use only legal, ethical tactics in my investigations so if you're not hiding anything you have nothing to worry about from me... but if you are... get your checkbook ready... that is if you even have any money at all... and of course if you're an adult... if you're a minor then things get a little more tricky... ;)

As I stated in the other thread, what I do for a living is located in an older blog and I assure you I don't make myspace pages... I don't have the first clue about writing html... but in true Amy fassion you're passing off false information as fact because you're too lazy to do research.

Also I know what city and state you live in. I'll find the truth out about you soon.

oh and I almost forgot... did you notice kissncook on there? yeah, she's a real live person, not me under another user name.... so sad, too bad... another amy lie exposed!

NO, you lied when you said they didn't have an LLC on file, stop twisting the facts dear.

I don't make myspace pages for a living, I merely have a myspace page to keep up with my daughters. Again your lack of research rears it's ugly head, my means of income is in one of my older blogs... just like your claims against Essay Writers you looked at two pages, you clicked twice on my page... on probably my pic, and you passed judgement... so now you've made another flase, misleading comment... my god how do you keep track of all your stories?

Also thanks to my page tracker I now have the city and state you live in. There are a lot of Essay companys in your state. I also know your state is filled with people with dreams of show bizz... is that what made you so angry in life... couldn't make the cut?


Forgot something. Not crazy people, smart people trying to locate someone. See I'm trying to build a case showing you either associated with this site or a competitor of those you're making false claims against... in order to do so I needed your location. Now, I will be able to find your name and compare it with public records and such... THAT'S what you call research honey. If you weren't hiding anything you'd have no problem coming out... I'll find what it is... I always do.

Pious is cool. He/she doesn't have their head as far up his/her ass as you do. I left you an invitation to check me out... do so... why don't you come clean? What are you hiding? Do you work for an American Essay company? For this site? What is your motive for defending a case for which there is no proof?

I think you hate me cause secretly you're in love with me and you want me but you know you can't have me so you have to push me away with your hate and anger... that's gotta be it... funny huh? How I don't take anything out of your mouth seriously? That happens when you get caught in too many lies. ;)

LOL. Ya think?

One last word because I didn't see this post: Amy, you are trying to pass off your feelings as fact. If this is true where is your proof? Why isn't it posted with your outrageous claim? I assure you I have better things to do than create user names to attack you; I think I've done a pretty good job without other ID's.

I have never met someone who is willing to put forth so much effort to defend something that has been proven a lie with hard, solid evidence. Keep trying to discredit me Amy. It still isn't going to change the facts. It still isn't going to change the legal definition of fraud. It still isn't going to change the fact that you LIED about the LLC. It still doesn't change the fact that you've done NO research what so ever. It still doesn't change the fact that you have NO evidence to support just about every claim or argument you've made.

IF you're going to post lies about me you had better be able to back them up with proof and not just your feelings. I'm not cowering in the dark like you are. Check me out all you want. Here's the link to my myspace page:

myspace.com/rat289

There you go. Completely out in the open. I challenge you to do the same. I dare you. WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?