So, what ethical perspective do you think this industry adheres to? Is it consequentialism, deontology, hedonism? I'm not being an a** here, I'm just pointing out that a general rule in the business is not an "ethical covenant." Drug pushers and protection gangs also make it a point to satisfy their "contracts."

What do you mean by "general writing process?" If you mean grammar and spelling then you're right, a master's won't help you there.


It's a direct response to your statement that intelligence and education are not related/proportional. By "not disputing" it, are you admitting that you were wrong?

Firkowska-Mankiewicz, A. (2011). Adult Careers: Does Childhood IQ Predict Later Life Outcome? Journal of Policy and Practice in Intellectual Disabilities, 8(1): 1-9.

"indicate that the IQ score at age 13 could be viewed as a relatively good indicator for future life outcomes, defined in terms of attained education, occupational status, and material well being."

Lynn, R., and Mikk, J. (2007). National differences in intelligence and educational attainment. Intelligence, 35(2): 115-121.

"They suggest that national differences in educational attainment may be attributable to differences in IQ, or alternatively that national IQs and in educational attainment are both indicators of the mental ability of national populations."


Actually, a degree from a CFA accredited institution (there are 35 in the Asia-Pacific) is recognized by worldwide.

Has anyone used WritePass? Is this legit? Is this good quality?


ROFLMAO!

On topic:

1.) Pheelyks has a point. Since his real identity is unprotected, he is in the United States, and the student did expose his involvement in the project, he may be sued by the student's school for helping the student cheat. His action of "squealing" on the student is an attempt to show the school that he had no idea that the student would actually submit the paper for credit.

2.) There are no ethical covenants in this business.

3.) This business is as cutthroat as ever. Nice move, rusty.

4.) A bachelor's/master's degree is a great qualification in this industry for a writer who actually took his education seriously. I can honestly say that without my master's degree, I would not be able to write "model" phD dissertations effectively.

5.) Education is highly correlated with intelligence. This implies that educational attainment and intelligence are "proportional." However, obtaining higher education does not make one more intelligent. Rather, people who are intelligent have a higher propensity to complete graduate and postgraduate degrees. Nonetheless, this means that one is more likely to find an intelligent master's degree holder than an intelligent bachelor's degree holder when randomly selecting a single sample from each population.

Randomly boldfaced text followed by meaningless one-liners don't prove points. Still, knock yourself out. ^_^

So just because "copyright" is mentioned in the law, it should already mean what you say it means? The "provided such publication or other written material shall NOT be intended for submission..." clause is duly addressed by the warning of essay sites that their products are model papers only and should not be submitted for credit. By giving that warning, the site duly informs the client of the limitation of use of the product under state laws. Even if the company gives the copyright, it cannot be held liable so long as the court believes that it was able to inform the student about the limitations and DID NOT encourage the student to go beyond such limitations. On the other hand, even if the company did not give the copyright, if the court finds that it did encourage the student to submit the work for credit by say, implying to the student that they have 6 months to do so, then the company can be held accountable.

Again, copyright is not authorship. It's sad that you find this concept impossible to grasp. However, it's not unexpected considering the many other ridiculous assertions that you've made over the years.

Oh right, and keep ignoring the issue about your company making money out of its clients' expense. ^____^

There you go again inserting your opinions into facts. A company cannot be convicted for providing example research, period. Retaining copyright has nothing to do with it.


No, they can't. Granting copyright has nothing to do with the legal obligation of a company to duly inform their clients that the work that they are sold cannot be submitted for academic credit. Companies do not grant copyrights because they want to make more money off their writers' work at THEIR CLIENTS' EXPENSE. ^____^


Do you honestly think that anyone here believes that you're just some concerned citizen? Keep defending your company's unfair practice that robs clients regardless of the quality of work provided.

That's your interpretation of "reasonably should have known," and you're wrong.

We know you can't admit that companies withhold copyright because they want to leech more money out of their writers' work; we get it. No matter how utterly stupid you look, you will not give up a position that's likely earning your company a few extra bucks at the customer's expense.

^____^

Why do I lose? You just reiterated my point. Even if the company gives the copyright to the student (as it should), the student cannot submit the work because he isn't its author. As such, copyright has nothing to do with the right to submit the paper for academic credit.

Maybe you should lie down and take something... >.<

A copyright gives the student the right to resell the paper he bought. Do you want to keep on denying this as a pathetic attempt to hide your company's greedy practices? Be my guest. ^__^

Where do you get off saying this "any judge would agree" ****? Again, copyright is different from authorship. A person who holds the copyright to a piece is not necessarily its author. As such, giving the student the copyright has nothing to do with whether or not he can submit the work as his own. I think anyone who knows what a copyright is would agree, including judges.


Oh sure, and how is this not your mere imagined interpretation? Do you have any court cases showing precedence that granting copyright falls under this "reasonably should have known" factor?

None of the laws you quoted included anything about the "threshold" you imagined.


As usual, you resort to throwing insults instead of engaging the argument.

The point is simple: Granting the copyright to a student does not give the student the right to submit the paper as his own work. It is not illegal for companies to do so. Companies do not grant copyrights because they want to resell the papers themselves.

Sigh... giving the client copyright over the work he bought is not illegal. It does not cross some imagined threshold. >.<

Giving the copyright has nothing to do with the law that prevents students from submitting the work for credit. Even if the student has the copyright, he still cannot submit the work as his own. Copyright is not the same as authorship, silly. (-_-);;;

He can, however, use the work as a "model" and then sell it to another student or some website after he's done with it. This way, the student can offset some of the costs that came with buying the paper in the first place. This is basically what copyrights are for: making money out of the work.


This is true. The "courtesy waiting period" is used by companies to imply that students can pass the works as their own, have them tested for plagiarism, get their grades, and move on within the 6-month period. Any professor who is aware of this practice and wishes to go through the trouble of hunting cheaters down can simply run all of his students' papers through turnitin again after 6 months and file charges of academic dishonesty against students who are found to have samples of their papers up for sale in some website. Even if the student graduated already, the degree can still be revoked. If it goes to court, the company that is selling the paper may be required to show how it acquired the paper. The law-abiding company would have no choice but to reveal the company that sold them the paper, and then this company would be legally obliged to provide details such as when the paper was written and who bought it.

I'm not. Your position changed when I pointed out its flaw. You can ignore it all you want.

You still don't get it. The point is that there is no such thing as a "legitimate" essay writing company. All essay writing companies, companies that write "model essays" for students, are sleazy. Writing "model essays" is a shady occupation. The articles also show that the general impression of educated people in the U.S. is that no matter what companies say, the service that they offer does promote academic dishonesty among students.


If you're talking about hiding one's country of origin, I'm all for that. If you're talking about giving clients low quality papers, I have always stood against that in this forum. I believe that every writer, just like every customer has the right to keep their identities secret given the shady nature of this industry. As for companies, their respective countries of origin do not matter. Foreign companies can hire competent writers just as well as American companies can, and some American companies receive complaints in this message board just as often as some foreign companies do.

Ultimately, there are good companies and bad companies, good writers and bad writers. It's all about quality. Your concept of "legitimacy" has no bearing in this industry.

The reason why you keep hammering at it is because you know that if you admitted that the industry is all about quality, you'd risk losing even more market share than you've already lost. Boo-hoo. :')

Then you're wrong. Professors have been "pissed off" at term paper mills since such businesses appeared. In fact, Boston U sued American term paper mills in 1997 [1], 6 full years before, according to you, foreign companies entered the market. Furthermore, 25 years before BU filed the lawsuit against essay mills on the internet, it filed and won several cases against brick-and-mortar essay mills [2]. This led the state of Massachusetts to outlaw essay mills [2].

Clearly, essay writers have never been respected in the United States and the business has never been considered legitimate by the public. Hence, it is all of this talk about which companies are legit and which are not that's moot. All that matters is the quality of the product.

[1] community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19971109&slug=2571274
[2] thecrimson.com/article/1997/10/23/bu-sues-term-paper-service-after/


Suit yourself. ^_^ It remains a sound argument whether or not you attempt to counter it.


That is true with some companies regardless of their origin. What we've established here is that "legitimacy" has no value in this industry. Only quality matters.


Your defensiveness over a typo is amusing. The again...

4.) a typo is not an error. (ROFLMAO!!!)

No, I don't. That's a different argument. Now who's twisting whose words? That argument still stands. Your writing is comparable to those of the countless ESL writers that you spoke of (premise). If you can't provide an effective rebuttal to my argument that most of the countless ESL writers are in the essay writing industry (argument), then you cannot logically deny that your writing ability is comparable to the average ESL writer in the industry (conclusion).


Right, are you really claiming that it was the foreign companies that got the public "enraged?" ^___^

I repeat: The general public in the U.S. never respected model essay writers. The legitimacy of the entire industry has always been questionable. Hence, it is all of this talk about which companies are legit and which are not that's moot. All that matters is the quality of the product. ^___^

I didn't "twist" your words. I merely inquired about something that was naturally implied by them.


Now that's what "COWARD" is in my book. ^_^ Moot point my foot. The issue is about the implications of your admission that the model essay writing company was never really accepted by the general public as a legitimate enterprise. You feebly tried to pin it on foreign companies (really, "access to internal operations"? HA!!! Couldn't you have done better than that? >.<) but didn't realize that you also want the public to believe that "local" companies have been in existence far longer than foreign companies have.

The general public in the U.S. never respected model essay writers. The legitimacy of the entire industry has always been questionable. Hence, it is all of this talk about which companies are legit and which are not that's moot. All that matters is the quality of the product. ^___^

A lot of American writers seem to think so. ^__^


Again we come back to the question of where the countless competent ESL writers that you spoke about are.


...


Really? Are you saying that before all the foreign companies came in, model essay writers for students in the U.S. were respected for their "profession?" ^_____________^ This just keeps getting better and better.

True, but we're not talking about 1 person. Like I said, my argument is that most if not all of the countless competent ESL writers that you spoke of would probably be engaged in professions that have something to do with writing. Hence, I reason that many of them are in the essay writing industry.


Oh yes, it does. If you say that most of the countless competent ESL writers are in legitimate writing industries, then that means that they are not in the essay writing industry. This implies that the population of competent writers in the essay industry are mostly American (or British). Isn't that what you want people to think? That the competent writers in this industry are mostly Americans? However, if that statement is true, then my statement about American writers in the essay industry not being able to hack it in the real world, where the competent ESL writers are, becomes true as well. ^__^


...and none of this matters if the customer is just after a quality product. The point is that the high ground that is supposedly reached by being a genuine American company is lost when in the first place, people in America do not respect genuine American essay writing companies or the people who work for them.

Never claimed that you did. However, you can't have it both ways. So where are the countless competent ESL writers that you spoke of? If most of them are in legitimate writing businesses, then the implication that they were able to make it there whereas hundreds of American writers like yourself are stuck in this industry is reasonable. If most of them are in the essay writing industry, well... ^___^


How do you think the general public views this industry? Didn't essay writing companies only produce "model essays?" I wonder why "the general public" does not consider being an essay writer for university students a real job. Also, I wonder what all the talk about legitimacy among essay writing companies is worth when the legitimacy of the entire industry is questionable.

Awww... you can't f*- me, didn't you claim to be a married woman? Hmmm...

No, what I do is expose your stupidity. Thank you for clarifying two positions:

1.) The essay writing industry is not considered by the general public as a legitimate/legal industry.
2.) The countless competent ESL writers are employed in legitimate writing businesses, not the essay writing industry. American writers can't hack it in these legitimate writing businesses, and so they are stuck writing assignments for ESL students (I think this is an absurd statement but hey, it's your position).

^___________^

This is getting even more interesting.

I'm so saving the link to this thread.

Did you just imply that the essay writing industry does not exist in the realm of the general public's definition of "ethical," "legitimate," and/or "legal" businesses? ^____^

Uh-oh....

Furthermore, are you saying that the countless, competent ESL writers are in these legitimate businesses, whereas American writers are stuck in the essay writing industry?

Tsk tsk....


That's a logical response. Right, comrade?

Or you think I'm wrong again.

No, it can't. An opposite is a contradictory term. There is only 1 contradictory term for every term. The contradictory term of 0 cannot be 1, but x such that x is not equal to 0. While it is true that 1 is not equal to 0, it is wrong to claim that 1 is the opposite of 0.


But that came from you, not me. We were looking for where the countless competent ESL writers were, and you suggested that


So, it's good to know that you think the countless competent ESL writers you were talking about work for "mainstream" essay writing companies.


I answered this in the other thread. I said: Sorry, but until each person in this forum posts definite, undeniable proof of his/her ethnic origin, this question is worthless.

Why do you insist on displaying your ignorance? "None" cannot be considered as the "opposite" of countless. They are not contradictory. The contradictory term of none is "some." Logic 101.

Furthermore, it was you who insisted that "none" was the only contradiction of "countless."

Sorry, you're still wrong. Even if you limit your position to ESL writers in the essay writing industry, these writers are still a part of the countless ESL writers that you initially spoke of. Unless you can argue effectively that the ESL writers who work in the essay industry are very different from the rest of the ESL writers, you still lose.

Competent writers in the essay writing industry that are employed by mainstream companies are still in the essay writing industry, are they not? So are you saying that your writing skills are equal to those countless ESL writers who are employed in mainstream essay writing companies? ^________^


Sorry, but until each person in this forum posts definite, undeniable proof of his/her ethnic origin, this question is worthless.

Please don't confuse the argument that I made in this thread with the ones I made here.

The arguments in this thread are the following:

1.) "none" is not the contradiction of "countless."

2.) The countless competent ESL writers that you spoke of must be employed somewhere. Since they excel at writing, I argue that a large number of them are employed in the essay writing industry.

No, you haven't.


Saying this does not prove it.


Again:


The fact remains that you said:


..and given that the above statement is true, it is logical to argue that:

What you need to prove is that my conclusion does not follow from the premises I used. You still fail to note that I did not limit my argument to ESL writers in the industry, but to ESL writers in general. Are you finally affirming that your writing ability is equal to those of the countless ESL writers (both in and out of the industry) that you spoke of?

So this is what you call "not humoring?" Very interesting. I you continue to "defend" yourself without actually presenting any reasonable argument in your defense. That's what I find humorous. ^__^

You've yet to prove that my argument is illogical. Contrary to what your grade school teacher may have taught you, calling something silly and illogical does not make it so. Another thing that does not prove a point is getting the final word, contrary to what your grade school playmate may have fooled you into thinking. ^____^

Yes, I am.


Oh, so what are you humoring? My logical argument which you continue to dream of disproving? ^__^

Your sickening obsession with getting the last word in no matter how pathetic your last word is while utterly ignoring the logic of the argument that you are supposed to respond to is well... sickening. ^_____________^

The fact that you remain utterly incapable of addressing the logic of my argument speaks volumes of your writing ability (it's not all about grammar and spelling, you know).

Oh and by the way, is this more of you not humoring me? :p

..and yet you felt the compulsion to re-post the worthless statement that you made in another thread. Funny. ^__^

Agree with me that there are countless ESL writers who write as well as you do in the English language? Hmm... let's see:


Now, it there was only some way to convince everyone here that the statement above came from a "sane person."

HAHAHAHA!!! ^____________^

Case in point:


^__^

Tell me, how isn't it logical?

Saying that there are countless foreign, ESL writers who write as well as you do in the English language implies that your writing is comparable to the writing of the average foreign ESL writer. This is because if writing skill can be measured numerically (and it can), the average score of the countless foreign, ESL writers would theoretically approach the mean score (or average in common tongue) of any sufficiently large random sample of such writers.


Nice Ad hominem. Unfortunately no, it's not going to work. Amnadweeb agreed to my statement because he/she found it reasonable, not the other way around. The agreement does not add any credibility to the statement, nor does it take any away from it. More Logic 101, WBulls-i*. It's becoming more and more apparent that you've had no college education at all.

84 words, 0 substance. Classic WBulls-i*. ^___^ I'm not asking you to humor me. It isn't my fault that you are compelled to respond in your defense. The facts remain that you said:


and this statement:


is logically flawed.

You obviously have nothing more to say, but don't let me stop you from ranting further. It is so very entertaining. ^____________^

Since you claim that countless of them write as well as you do, that must mean that you are also "seriously lacking in the 'enviable writing skills' department." Tsk tsk...

I thought not. What's interesting is that Logic 101 is a usual prerequisite freshman course in tertiary education programs. Hmm... ^__^


So what is your proof that most of those hundreds of thousands do not come from the countless competent ESL writers that you spoke of?


I'm still happy that you are none the wiser about anything that you think you know about me. ^__^ But hey, since you brought it up, are you still sore about the following times I've kicked your sorry a**?

^____^

Not at all. The contradictory term of countless is not none, "dumb." :p Did you even take Logic 101? ^_^

Speaking of logic, if there are countless competent ESL writers then it is very reasonable to think that many of them would be in the writing industry. It is illogical for many of these countless ESL writers (or any other group of people for that matter) to choose a profession that they do not excel in. So, it is either the case that a majority of these people are in the essay writing industry, or a majority of them are in some other profession where competent writing talents are appreciated. Being countless, it is even possible for a strong number of competent ESL writers to be in both.

Sigh, so if you indeed believe that there are "countless foreign, ESL writers who write as well as I do in the English language," where do you suppose a number of these "countless foreign, ESL writers" work? Are you proposing that they are all celebrated authors? :p

These silly contradictions of yours are just too funny to ignore. ^_^

essayscam.org/forum/wc/thesis-writers-expected-know-use-spss-stats-analysis-2785/

Just dropping by. ROFLMAO! ^

delusion of grandeur: Delusional beliefs of possessing exaggerated power, importance, knowledge or ability. (DSM-IV-TR)

behavenet.com/capsules/path/delusionofgrandeur.htm

Delusions of Grandeur Common in Bipolar I Mania:

In short, delusions of grandeur are pretty common in type I bipolar disorder mania. (According to the above, almost 45% of bipolars in a manic episode experience it to some degree.)

You're not weird or a freak at all. You're not alone in your delusions of grandeur. Delusions of grandeur are just another thing about bipolar disorder that people don't want to talk about.

opposingviews.com/i/mania-delusions-of-grandeur-part-of-bipolar-disorder-type-i

:'(