FreelanceWriter asked this question at least twice and was ignored.

Now it makes sense to conclude "We" = "the IRS."


Not only that, you'd also have to withhold taxes from all writers living around the world. That means, instead of paying them, let's say $13 per page you could only afford to pay them $7-$8 per page to cover the additional and unfair taxes and administrative fees. That also means you would only be able to work with ESL writers.

I guess it's a win-win situation for fraudulent companies and unqualified writers.

But the good news is this is not going to happen, in most cases at least.

What 'rogerb' wrote makes sense to me, especially after reading Editor75's posts again keeping rogerb's comments in mind. You answered:


I guess the IRS prefers to have one company that works with 500 writers (that they wish to name 'employees') accountable for paying taxes of those 500 writers rather than to individually hunt for 500 contractors to make sure they pay their own taxes as independent contractors (and not write off their legitimate expenses, like their own computers, offices, insurance, sub-contractors etc.).

I know it makes absolutely no sense and is in fact impossible to treat writers as employees in this virtual industry, but if you look how Editor75 has been trying to push his ridiculous ideas it may be clear what his agenda is.

That clearly explains Editor75's posts and agenda.

First, let at least the majority of wannabe writers start to meet the minimum 'industry standards.' I don't have the exact numbers but I can reasonably assume out of 100 applicants 70 can be safely ignored because those 'writers' aren't capable of writing a coherent sentence in English.

Second, you've already been told that there are two groups of owners: legitimate and fraudulent. There are twice as many fraudulent owners as legitimate ones. Legitimate writers do not work for fraudulent companies because they are educated enough not to wait months for payments and they are educated enough not to work for $4 per page. 99% of all complaints posted here or on similar forums are made by illegitimate (ESL) writers working for illegitimate companies (because only such companies can work with such writers).

You need to educate yourself about the industry first because so far you've just wasted everybody's time with your moronic statements and questions. If you want to stick to your 'plans' you need to go back to 3rd world countries and try to 'protect' ESL writers from there. Nobody needs you in English-speaking countries.

Any 'minimum' would be good ONLY for uneducated ESL writers from 3rd world countries because for them a 'minimum' would still be good money. Real writers (native English speakers living in the US/UK/Canada/Australia) would not be happy about that, I guess.

In result, customers would be doomed to receive garbage/plagiarized essays and qualified writers would have to compete with ESL writers from 3rd world countries.

If you think it's great, then go for it ;).

Not in the freelance/contract writing industry. There's no 'wage' in the freelance industry because all projects are based on per-page/per-project basis.

Exactly; that's why you only work for the amount that satisfies YOU as an independent contractor. If the amount doesn't satisfy you, you don't work.

If someone wants to be paid based on 'experience' or even 'a degree' they should look for a brick and mortar job.

Working as an independent freelance writer YOU SET YOUR OWN standards. You want to work for $3 per page? Fine, bid $3 per page. You want to raise your standards and work for $50 per page? Fine, bid $50 per page or take only projects (either privately and/or from companies) that pay $50 per page and live like a king.

When a plumber comes to fix your toilet twice a year, do you offer to give him any benefits other than the quoted amount for the project (and a cup of coffee maybe)? And if one day you think his quote is too much - would he tell you that 'Plumbers have industry-wide standards and I won't replace your gasket for less than $X.'?

It's as simple as that. And you are still clueless.

+ Rusty(whatever) might be another possibility (?); it's a long shot, but he got similar ideas in the past when you look at his profile and read some messages.

I was going to start a new thread but found this that nicely sums up the benefits of working as a freelancer. There are probably more.

Does anybody have a good image to present 'EPIC FAIL'?

[Moved from]: Info about mybestessays.com?

Any idea what is this?

mybestessays.com

As someone mentioned above, you really are an 'ignorant tool.' :). Sick days? If you are sick you don't take any projects (and if you have any projects already assigned they will be reassigned if you let the admin know).


They have all the power. Working as an independent contractor they are not controlled in any way, they can work anywhere, however, and whenever they want, they even set their own bids on some websites.

If they don't like the company one day? - they use their power and stop taking projects from them. To show even more power they could take a 100 dissertation and not complete it to bring financial and reputation loss to the company.

I know at least two cases when freelance writers started their own companies and websites to directly compete with the 'parent' companies because the 'parent' companies were giving them direct emails of their clients to communicate. That's how they used their power, but that's how the industry works - writers are in direct competition with the companies (only email is needed in order to establish direct competition). To my knowledge they still have accounts with the 'parent' companies because they couldn't afford the costs of their own advertising and other headaches.


You've just come back from the Moon? The proportion - if it's true - compared to other industries is still very reasonable. Check the average proportion of the American industry - why don't you sign up at WallStreetForum.com or similar to preach your gibberish.



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All your posts clearly indicate you have never worked in the private sector. I don't understand why you are wasting the taxpayers money posting nonsense on this forum.

It appears only you think something sucks, so discussing it is pointless.

Nonsense. Each essay has specific instructions which are completely custom and cannot be 'averaged.' That's why not all projects are taken, even if they are paid.

You say it doesn't matter for a writer if s/he is told to write a creative essay about 'Your favorite movie' VS a dissertation about 'Role of Notch Signaling in T Cell Polarization in Allo-Graft Rejection'? If you were hired by a company as an 'employee' - which project would you hope to be assigned? In your Utopian world a 'writer-employee' would have to be fired on the same day s/he was hired because nobody is able to write about something they have no idea about (and that is a perfect excuse to fire someone).


By that definition, all brokers, affiliates, salespeople, and government workers are also parasites because they do not produce anything.

Your arguments are very weak and - ironically - what you propose would actually make writers that you pretend to 'defend' much more miserable and financially disabled than where they are now.

How many pages a day 'qualifies' a writer as a 'full-time employee'? It's like asking: "How many miles a runner needs to run to call himself a professional runner?" How many pages a writer can research and write exclusively depends on his/her personal abilities and on the specific subject.

""the system is set up""

No, the MARKET works this way. Both the customer and the writer need to know in advance the total cost and the total amount to be paid for the work. The customer pays in advance. Do you imagine a situation when a project is assigned to an 'employee' who happens to write 1 page a day (and still claims he/she's been working on 1 page for 8 hours a day)? Then what, do you go back to the customer and say 'Unfortunately your writer is pretty slow, but since we have to pay him by an hour you must be prepared to pay 800% more than you've originally planned. Here is a payment link to pay.'

Not to mention the fact it is impossible to control someone in the virtual world. Employer's right is to control their 'employees.' You want to take away that right too? :)


Do you want to make contract freelance writers employees without telling them they would be making 30% less money per page they are making now (the 20% would have to be paid in extra taxes and 10% in extra administrative fees), that 70% of them would have to go on a dole because they are not good/fast enough to work as 'employees,' and that their freedom of work would become an utopia?(but hey, they would get 1-week free vacations)

It's my personal opinion, but I do not think it's a good idea for company owners to give bonuses (or fines - unless the project was chargebacked due to the writer's direct fault) --> unless they agree to treat their writers as employees. Independent contractor should not receive any bonuses or fines (or any other 'perks' like vacation or insurance).

Regarding the concept of "overtime" - it absolutely makes no sense in this industry. The word 'overime' relates to the word "TIME;" since writers are paid on per PAGE or per PROJECT basis the concept of 'overtime' is void of logic.

I agree you are clueless about this industry. Totally clueless. Why do you even post here?

The idea of freelance writing work is: YOU WORK ONLY WHEN YOU WANT TO. It takes you 40 hours to write 1 page? That's fine - you set your own pace, nobody will force you to write faster (as long as you meet the established deadline as you promised when you took the order).


Not only that. Imagine a writer decides to make money on nothing and claims his back got hurt from sitting on a crooked chair while writing a 2-page essay for your customer. Guess who would have to pay for worker's comp and extra insurance costs?

Not to mention the fact the writer got his back hurt while playing volleyball on the beach while you 'thought' he was writing 'full-time' for you AND you have no way to control if the chair is even or not.

I guess your question should be addressed to individual students, not writers or companies. If you mean writers or companies then it's like you asked liquor store owners if they compromise the society by allowing drunk drivers or broken families.

Companies may 'hope' them to be available when they need them, but they are not expected or ordered to work any particular hours. If you hire a contractor to fix your basement you hope he'll do the job when you're at work so that you don't have to see the mess, but if contractor tells you he tends to sleep until 2pm and he usually starts working afternoon then your hope or 'expectations' mean nothing.

I guess that is something all legitimate companies agree on and respect. 80-90% of all complaints posted here or on other similar websites are made by writers who have accounts with foreign/uncivilized companies that try to take advantage of them.


I agree about respect. All other things absolutely cannot apply to independent contractors who work on their own schedule, premises, and conditions. FREEDOM of work (outside of the control of the company) as an independent freelance writer has much more benefits than any other 'perks' that cannot even be established or calculated.

Exactly; why is it hard for the topic starter to understand? :)


Working as a full-time contract writer you can take vacations at any time you want without even informing anyone. Paid vacations or medical coverage? You'd like to base it on what exactly? Like you take or get 1 page a week then you should have how much 'paid vacations' - if you don't do any project in a month, you still want paid vacations?

The whole essay writing industry is based on per-project or per-page payment terms, if you still pretend not to know it ;).

There are many examples of sites written by ESL writers (from India for example) that mix up the word 'employee' with 'freelance writer.' It doesn't mean they really treat them as 'employees' (nobody here knows the Indian system I guess).

Same applies to sites that pose to be based in the US or the UK and are in fact based in Ukraine or Pakistan (then they obviously don't care about the laws in the US/UK).

What exactly do you mean?

Ok.. but it's still prone to corruption. The more writers the less available orders per 1 writer; after the organization has enough members it wouldn't make sense to allow more writers to join due to lack of available projects. Not to mention who would decide how many max projects a writer could take etc.

The problem is - there are a lot less of quality writers than poor writers. Imagine freelance writers from China joining the organization and to make it work (in theory) each would have equal right to 'vote.' In time, unqualified ESL writers would take over the organization providing poor-quality products and the whole concept would collapse.

The majority of essay writing companies have been founded by freelance writers who in time might be turning into bad business owners ;).

Who would run a company 'for writers by writers'? If writers run a business they aren't writers any more...

Every company I know would publish or resell an essay that was stolen (ie. chargebacked or refunded due to dubious claims) and in this case the company was right to do that.

I hope I won't be reported to the Internet Crime Complaint Center for providing an inaccurate info in the 'Location' field.....

:)

The spammer's location:

IAN MATTHEW THOMPSON

4607 BURLINGTON PLACE, SANTA ROSA, CA 95405

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Not surprisingly, the domain is also related to a Russian individual who - among a number of other spam websites - owns haiku-poets-northern-california.com:

Registrant:
haiku-poets-northern-california.com
Evgeny Kunshin
str. Sverdlowa 2-12
Novokuznetsk, Kemerovskaj obl 654080
Russian Federation

Created on: 04-Feb-10
Expires on: 04-Feb-11
Last Updated on: 05-Feb-10

Working with a freelance writer directly has some benefits, but it also has important drawbacks.

FREELANCE WRITER VS COMPANY

[+] Hiring a freelance writer directly is usually cheaper than hiring a research company.

[-] A freelance writer is usually not as reliable as a company (if your freelance writer gets sick or lost Internet access there's nobody else who could take over your project; and you hope the writer will refund your money if the project was not completed). Same with customer service - you solely rely on one person who needs to be both a writer and a customer service/sales person. Combining these two is tricky, to say the least.

[-] Dealing with a freelance writer directly is not as safe as dealing with a company (a freelance writer can change their email every minute if his/her reputation is questioned online; a company needs to deal with both positive and negative feedback in the long term and cannot change their image or operations overnight).

Would a spammer 'with authority' count as a legitimate contributor? : )

That's not a bad way to write a 200-page dissertation quickly :).

1. Make sure you actually KNOW what is written in the paper. Read it 5 times (and understand it, including all vocabulary).

2. Hopefully you have some reliable native English friend who, cough cough, was friendly enough to read and revise it for you.

Most of the times it's up to the writer to decide if a revision (free or paid) is justifiable or not.

Me too, it's clear as a day now. We can conclude "PatsFan" is the founder/writer of "USA Essays" trying to shill his services here.

Not sure why you even post here, the site you mention does homework assignments (all assignments are probably done by one private person). They don't write any 'papers' or 'essays.'

As far as I know writers use their own tools (including subscriptions to online databases) and companies usually don't provide anything extra.


That is true. ALL sites have at least one unsatisfied client (in reality many more than one ;).

The problem is most 'business owners' have multiple websites (sometimes as many as 200 or more) and many hired 'promoters.' If they were to 'recommend their own services' the site would become garbage.

Most legitimate websites teach their clients (by posting educational articles written by native English speakers) about plagiarism, quality education, etc. Writing essays vs. writing poetry - there's not much difference. With some exceptions, the majority of "essay writing sites" are managed by regular freelancers who happened to create a simple website. Most of them use other freelancing platforms because it's impossible to create a good brand when you are a single person with limited budget.