I'm not a lawyer - I'm just stating what makes sense to me. I believe in being reasonable and have lived in the US long enough to be able to recognize sensible versus non-sensible actions. Your ideas may be applied to a world-wide, big corporations, but as far as ordering an essay or writing as a contract freelance writer the rules are much more reasonable and straightforward.

So you claim some of the posts don't contain specific information and thus cannot be considered legit. You may want to read this:


injury-law.freeadvice.com/libel_and_slander/express_opinion.htm

Let me summerize. You think that:

1. A customer doesn't have a right to express their opinion about the received service (unless it's a positive opinion).

2. An employee (in this case freelance contract writer) doesn't have a right to express their opinion about their employer if they don't pay them on time or don't pay at all.

Frankly, I wouldn't like to live in your world... I like democracy :).

Why do you focus on **********? The other sites have the right to do the same if they like.

Well, it's a big warning sign of possible fraud (why a serious business would be afraid to disclose its physical location), but it's not automatically a proof by itself, I think.

What about public opinions about the president being a m*oron or a chimp? Should they put such posters in jail?


They were charged by who? The party that is responsible for payment? I cannot find a post stating that the writer admitted s/he wrote a poor paper and that was the reason s/he hasn't been paid. In this case you only believe one story and you suggest me to be objective and listen to the two parties? :)


What if the companies doesn't care? I bet most of them frequent this forum and are aware of the complaints, but only a few bother to respond to the complaint.

Being an online customer myself, I know there are companies that just don't get it - they won't reply to emails or phone calls even though they were at fault. I understand the frustration of some clients (not only students) - they need to have a way to vent.

If you refer to the company mentioned here that doesn't pay their writers (on time or at all) and still think dozens of complaints [some of which contain balance sheet] are not credible - well, it's your opinion. But to me it seems most (if not all) complaints don't have any hidden intentions.

I don't think it's easy to sell a pre-written paper. If a paper is published online, it's of no use as search engines will find it.


If the student paid for the paper, I would assume the writer would have no interest to take any action. Unless the paper was not paid for. On the other hand, some writers may report such student if they realize they submitted the paper as their own and didn't provide appropriate notes about the authorship of the paper.

Why do you ask?

I wonder how you define "never"? If they get back to you in 15 years, they still get back to you so how would you know they would "never" get back to you?

If someone is able to determine the poster's true intentions, s/he should be awarded with the Nobel Prize.


If you think a company is "fraud" just because they aren't based in the US or don't disclose their postal address, you're wrong, I think.

Fully agree with that. Whoever reads blogs or forums should keep in mind the information may not be 100% true.

But would you suggest that each and every message should be pre-moderated and investigated by a team of researchers and lawyers before making them to the public?


Any more info on that? Do you suggest the other forum is down because of "class suit"? It seems to me they just forgot to pay for hosting or were over-quota...

nom_de_plume,

It seems you don't know what the freedom of speech is all about. Read the disclaimer below - all posts are OPINIONS, not "facts." Do you suggest to close all Internet forums because someone accuses a company or another person of something?

I understand why this site doesn't want to "fight" against the other site.

Regarding "criminals and scammers," such words were used by a national newspaper (CNN as I recall) - should they close CNN too?

I guess all companies should agree submitting a paper by a student who hasn't written it is blatant plagiarism. What students do with the papers - I'm not sure. Nobody but the students really know.

I thought it would be June 1st... (today)

I would think it should start already. Maybe it was a hoax? :}

guardian.co.uk could use some proofreaders though:

But I guess there may be some cases the quality is excellent, but the client still refuses to pay and prefers to get the service for free...

Did he have a reason to do that? That's a lot of money..

What about him?

Yes - I don't know why essay or academic tutoring ads would be banned while the other stuff is freely available for the public..

Term Papers - am I missing something here (there are ads all over the place)..

google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=term+papers

What about the other countries - is the ban to be only on google.com (how about google.co.uk, google.com.pk etc.)?

Hmm - on the other hand it seems such ads do appear on some sites, for example educationindex.net

I actually didn't know Adsense didn't allow that (I think they had to ban them = if that's the case = for technical reasons as they couldn't really recognize the content of the publisher site). So in some cases "term paper ads" appeared on educational, university websites.

This is possible, but personally I highly doubt that they would do that.

Perhaps they may ban one publisher for one or another reason, but I don't think they would ban the whole industry. Especially that they allow p0rn, gambling etc. and it brings them a lot of money. What about "homework help" or "tutoring" websites - they are actually in the same category.

Interesting - got a link to the article?

I was referring to this:

the banks have been reported in the press as saying that the majority of 'cardholder not present' frauds are due to the theft of information

Since ALL online transactions are classified as 'cardholder not present' it suggest that transactions for over $100 billion could be fraudulent.

I guess, maybe Matt could specify what was the exact reason of the chargeback.

When you buy something online, it is not possible to "have the cardholder present," isn't it. In 2006 news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6075419.html - people spent $211 billion online. Does it mean the transactions for, let's say $100 billion [the majority], were due to the theft of information?

As I understand it, the client has never complained about the service. Yet she did a chargeback.

If a "normal" customer has a problem with a product or service she first should contact the company to possibly resolve the problem, shouldn't she? Her not contacting the company proves her ill intentions.

So from one hand you oppose the "personal information" to be revealed to the public; on the other you encourage the companies to take all steps possible to check on the prospective client? Well, in that case I think searching for a person's name online is one of such steps. If I find out the person did an unauthorized chargeback, I don't deal with her. Thank's to Matt's post.

IF you win, you can still wait years for your money (most likely you would have to hire collection agency anyway).

What "legal" ways would you propose? Hopefully not spending £1000 in legal or collection fees to get £840 back..

The problem is the merchant protection act doesn't exist or is too weak, so the merchant should have the right to find their own ways to deal with fraudulent clients.

Well, you should accept that because it's true. The laws are against Internet merchants; if the card is not present, the client may make up any excuse to do a chargeback.

I personally agree with "Matt" and I'm sure essay writing companies would not like to deal with such clients. If you were a car dealer and someone told you that your prospective client is a bank robber, would you still sell him the car? I wouldn't. I see she used an anonymous email address (not even her first/last name in the email) so I don't see how it could be revealing her personal information.

Why do you think you should by from them (there must be some reason since you think of ordering from them)..

What are you talking about (have you ordered a printing product from them?)

Maybe it would be more reasonable to ask for a partial (not full) refund, if anything? I'm sure you'll still use most of the paper (even if they provided you a full refund) - do you think that would be fair?

rav_london,

You're an example of a customer I would not like to deal with.

1. You said you ordered a paper and you admitted you have (carefully) read the paper.

2. I'm sure you checked for plagiarism and you didn't detect it (otherwise you'd tell us about that).

3. (most important point) - You wrote "The writer failed to write the paper." It means you contradict your own points #1 and #2 because it suggests the writer hasn't completed the paper at all and/or has not sent you the paper.

I cannot find logic in your reasoning. Maybe you just want to get the service for free?

A smart buyer (most of them should be smart) first contacts the company s/he may like and discuss it with them. If I want to buy hosting service, the first thing I do is to send an email to the host I may like and ask some questions, like:

- How soon will you set up my hosting?
- What kind of servers do you run?
- How many sites will my site be shared with?
- How often do you do backups?

etc.

Then I expect to receive a reply within a few hours. If the company doesn't reply (or replies in two days), I skip it. Only AFTER I received the reply, I may be looking for other opinions on forums etc. - but I don't have to.

I think the reader should be the one to determine if the "claims" or "proofs" are legitimate or not. An experienced reader/researcher can do that.

If a poster supports their claim with a link to another site (that may contain more detail information about the claim) - is it trying to pass it off as fact? Or there's another rule?