What kind of form did you have to sign?

It seems your cousin is an ESL writer too? I think there is still (growing) market for it.

At least make sure to read the paper throughly and follow all the references so that you know what the project is actually about.

I think that should be obvious, amy1978. But I do think some of the students don't even read the papers and just turn them in.


If they don't have a sound proof, they won't expell you. But if the teacher is smart enough s/he could give you a hard time.

I think it depends on the particular writer. Any company can have both good and bad writers - just because you read a complaint online doesn't mean the company is bad.

How did you pay? You can email the company and tell them to cancel - if they didn't start (I'm sure they haven't started yet), that shouldn't be a problem for them to do a refund..

It seems you are a writer too...

I guess it's not easy to write a paper on "Death of a Salesman" without plagiarizing (since there have been so many essays written on that ;).

So papermasters.com was first and then there was masterpapers.com? Isn't there some kind of brand recognition issue? Since papermasters.com was established first they should have the right to use masterpapers.com too as it may be somewhat confusing to the customers (especially they are in competiton..).

I would avoid companies that try to hide their addresses and use graphics instead of text to list their address information and phone/fax numbers. I feel they do it because search engines don't recognize text in graphic and since these companies may own a number of websites, they don't want their clients to look them up by address/phone number in search engines.

manuscriptservices.com is for sale.. :)

Some strong wording here.

Maybe one of the forum members lives in the area and could check them out..

I don't think there are many companies (if any) based in Boca Raton, FL. I think it's one of the most luxurious places in the US - don't think it would be smart or even logical to set up company headquarters there...

I find the article about turnitin very good so I think it's worth "promoting."

Dylan, good points. I have a question - how much maximum would you be willing per page (assume 250 words per page) to have a quality essay written for you? If the essay is to be written by a real "PhD holder", I guess the price would have to be hmm $60 per page?

In general how much are students willing to pay per page and call it a reasonable price? I guess it could be a good new topic to discuss.

What?? 20 minutes to write a page (about 300 words?). Maybe you meant "to TYPE". Did you include time for researching/finding sources/reading sources? It takes me at least a few hours overall to write a 1-2 page article.

If only people had a little more patience and learn how to deal with these stupid email filters - life would be so much easier......

It works both ways - you didn't pay a cent, so why do you post bad things about them? There are many students who actually paid for the service using other companies and never received the paper and the company didn't want to refund the money.

cammy
You write you ordered a paper and never received it. There could be many reasons for that. Anyway - you don't write anything if they actually refunded your money. I assume they did (otherwise you'd write something about that).

If they did refund your money (or didn't even charge you in the first place), and you still continued slandering them, I think they have the right to sue you and they would most likely win.

It seems to me some newspapers claimed the same about some websites that sell diplomas etc and Essay Advisor exposed them.

What do you mean? I can access the site without problems.

Good points, Paul. Well, NOW I think I get it - the American websites have to pay their writers substantially more than the foreign companies so their margin profit could be much lower. And the foreign companies try to persuade their clients they are actually based in the US (not abroad) so that they could charge as much as the companies that in fact are based in the US -- in order to enjoy bigger profits.

Is my reasoning correct?

So Gantoris, you must be either a student, teacher, or an essay writing company owner. Why would you care about which sites are put or not put online? People write good/bad stuff all the time.

Well, then you must have posted something on their site that breached their rules. Using a special software I don't think it's difficult to determine the poster's IP.

As far as I know there are dozen of proxy servers that are based in the US so if someone abuses the system, the only way is to block the IP or range of IPs. There may be thousands of computer users under one IP, not to mention a range of IPs.

It depends. If the post is somewhere "in the middle" of the discussion, that shouldn't be a problem. BUT when the topic starter wants the post deleted OR there are other posters that quote the original poster, that could be a problem.

In fact, most forum or blog software DOES NOT (technically) allow to delete the first post of the thread without deleting the entire topic.

"Disappearing threads" may be due to a number of reasons (that are not actually known by the readers). Quite often, for example, a poster posts something and then asks me to delete his/her post because "s/he realized the post was irrational or had no factual basis." Or s/he doesn't want her name to be indexed by search engines etc. In such forums like this, the poster who wasn't initially happy with a particular company can always email admins and tell them the problem has been resolved and the topic or post gets deleted. Etc etc.

One time I had a poster who asked me (rather firmly) to delete "his topic" the day after he's received three valuable answer from other posters. I refused to do it.

My conclusion is this: You sometimes cannot win against a multi-million dollar corporation (Essay Relief and their affiliations, for example), but you can try to fight against them. I'm sure "Daily Mail" can afford to have 24-7 security systems against dissatisfied readers (since they actually make money from ads and their buyers), but relatively small non-profit organizations like Essay Advisor cannot afford that. But it doesn't mean their influence should be less important.

I consider some of the posts and articles at the site as eye-openers. For example, the one about Turnitin and their true intentions/affiliations. Or sections related to fake universities and "the academic diploma business."

I for one believe it's not as easy as you think it is. Based on the posts and some of the people who are involved in the "essay writing business" if I run such an organization as Essay Advisor or Research Writers Today (which BTW doesn't have contact information either), I would not post a phone number or physical address. Why? Because I would be afraid that one day such vivid posters like "gantoris" would come to my door and try to kill me for what I have posted or not posted on my site. Not to mention those who run multi-million $$ diploma or university factories - I would just be afraid they would do anything to stop me from revealing the truth.

But "the French company" won't reveal it's actually based in France, not in the USA/Canada, will it? I think Essay Advisor wants to point that out and it's a good thing.

My point was - why do foreign companies (based outside the US/Canada) don't write papers in their Native language for their native clients? Why a company from France would even try to write papers in English for American clients? Why don't they write in French for French clients? Because the quality of papers written by a French writer cannot be compared to the one written by the American writer.

Maybe I'm sometimes a little naive, but I completely don't get your point. The clients (students) buy academic writing services and they will be happy ONLY when the following points are met:

1. The paper is written in a perfect American English by an American-native speaker.

2. The paper uses references available for the American colleges/universities.

Maybe Ben could provide more information, but I assume the companies in the US or Canada may have no more than 15-20% of international clients (based outside the US/Canada). If I owned a writing company, I would shout "Buy American" on my home page - just to protect my customers from ESL writers who most of the times cannot do a good job. How else can you provide a good writing service if you and your writers are not based in the US/Canada?

Well, my blog is invitation-only (my posts are somewhat controvertial and I don't feel like public to know about it). But if admin has your email I may give them my permission to contact you in my name.

I run a political blog and my interest is in anything that is controversial. I find both academic dishonesty or anti-plagiarism software systems controversial so I post here. But then as you say - treat my posts as being dubious, but I don't mind that.

So Ben, are you writing your dissertation on the essay writing business yourself or have a company write it for you? When you want to be objective I would assume you have to write it yourself (or you'll only have dubious content like provided by "radio" or "gantoris"..

Bencole,

My point is - Essay Advisor or this site are not providing writing services. So how come a "regular poster" knows "so much" about a non-profit organization and follows it to post the same links over and over again? What is his/her interest? I'm positive "gantoris" is one of the essay writing company owners. Do you know any other person who is posting slander against, let' say, the Red Cross or an Anti Abortion Foundation?

Who else takes screen-shots of forum messages? Why would a normal poster need them other than to used it against them somehow?

"gantoris", it seems you tried to register on the Essay Advisor or any other site, intentionally posted a bogus or nonsense message so that you could do a screen shot and libel them on other forums.

Or a blog - I can give you some tips on that if you ask.

I don't think you're from "Nambia" so just because of that I would ban you since your posts are as likely to be fake. No wonder other forum mods ban you, too.