I know nothing about them, but I can tell you that an essay that seems like a very big deal to you is something that professional writers typically bang out in an hour or two; and when times are busy, typically, only shortly before it's actually due. I've written a 10 or 12 or 15-pg paper every night for the last few nights and have another one to write tomorrow after I do a few smaller ones overnight tonight. If your deadline is in 48 hours, that might be 3 or 4 (or more) essays away from even being started if your writer does this fulltime and has built up any kind of regular clientele or has a lot of other company orders scheduled with earlier due dates/times. Few things are more annoying in this business than emails asking "how's it coming along?" about a simple essay that I'm a day or two away from even thinking about writing and that I plan on writing in about a 2-hour sitting in time to deliver it exactly when promised.

Nah, that was my first instinct too; but her stuff was really easy and figured it was worth forgetting about if she needed a lot more work. If I'd have known that's all she needed, that's probably exactly what I'd have done too.

How is that any security for the writer on the 2nd half? I've been doing this for a living for a long time and I don't even schedule something on my calendar, let alone actually write anything, until it's paid in full. No matter how you slice it, either the customer or the writer has to take a risk, but the customer can mitigate that risk by just ordering a couple of pages (or even 1 page) to see whether a writer is legit and good before ordering the rest of a project. Once a customer receives a high-quality small order, there's no longer very much risk trusting that writer. That's not necessarily equally true the other way around: The only time I ever got stiffed by a client was someone who'd used me dozens and dozens of times over 3 years. In her last term, she started asking to pay late sometimes, and then never paid me for the last 2 assignments I'd written before payment. Never again. She even had the nerve to ask me for more work about a year later, promising to pay in advance...for a law enforcement employment application essay about personal integrity and responsibility (not kidding).

Sometimes even more unless the writing is unusually good and only needs some minor fixing up. It usually takes me less time to write from scratch than to interpret and deconstruct bad writing and rewrite it entirely, making sure to include every point that (I think) the original author was trying to make. I burned myself a few times under-quoting a project because it was "just editing" that ended up taking more time than writing the same number of words starting with a blank page. It's also tedious work because you can't write more than a sentence or two at a time without stopping and going back to the original.

Ditto. Same deal in the entertainment industry. If every working actor in Hollywood suddenly dropped dead and had to be replaced by the best actors currently waiting tables or checking coats for a living, the quality of films wouldn't change one bit; it might even improve.

In my case, it was a two-stage process. First, I had to just get past the old man to stay home sick to miss the test: he was wise to the thermometer-under-the-hot-faucet trick and would bring the thermometer to my room if I said I felt sick. But he never anticipated the thermos of hot water stashed under my bed. By the time he came back to check, it was a perfect 101.5 degrees.

You're gettin' ripped off. Just go to HitManScamForums.com to find someone you can trust. They don't allow recommendations there, but you can find out who'll just take your money without actually providing the services you paid for.

Yup. Human reproductive system...had all the diagrams drawn up right on the blackboard and everything.

OK, OK. I missed a Biology test in 9th Grade and had to make it up. The teacher always gave make-up tests in the lab with those sliding blackboard panels. I went in there about an hour before the test and wrote all my notes on one blackboard and slid the empty one in front of it. After he left me in there with the test, I just slid the blank panel out of the way.

To be fair, $.75 when you were 14 is the equivalent of about $15.00 today =)

Exhibit A:


Exhibit B:

Sometimes, I'll use the message system to thank them for requesting me and tell them politely that I won't be taking the new order, but that's about it. In my opinion, you're not the least bit obligated to take every order that requests you; but if you feel that you are, that's actually a reason not to leave your ID off the cover page altogether. If you think about it, customers who want you again have even less chance of getting you by that all-or-none approach if you don't let them know that you wrote any of their papers in the first place. If they know your ID, at least they can ask, which greatly increases their chances of getting you again (even if you decline those requests you don't want). From their perspective, that's probably better than to place subsequent orders with no idea which writer's work they liked enough to try to request the same writer again.

I don't think writers from any particular country have any specific characteristics at all. However, in any country where poverty rates are high, there will always be many people trying to profit by any means possible, especially in ways that require no investment and that allow them to tap into the consumer economies of much wealthier nations. I don't know that Nigerian people share any characteristics that differ from Kenyans (or from Americans) that account for the prevalence of 419 scams in Nigeria, either. Maybe the fact that many Kenyans are well educated accounts for why they look to get into this business, but I don't know. As with all other ESL writers, there are some Kenyans who probably do great work and others who greatly overestimate their ability to write in English at the level that NES customers have a right to expect. As long as they disclose their ESL status if/when asked and as long as they don't do anything to create a false impression that they're located in the West because they know that most NES students do care very much whether their writers are ESL or NES, I have no problem with them.

It's a very funny analogy, but human behavior is much more complex than fish behavior. Some of us can share this tank without any problem whatsoever, despite being direct competitors. We never attack or try to injure one another just because we're competitors. We even help one another out at times under the assumption that all of us benefit that way in the long run. If this tank were exclusively stocked with us, it would be an entirely symbiotic environment for all. The problem is that some of the fish here swim these waters looking to take a nasty bite out of anybody who isn't them because they think (or know) that the only way they can survive is by eliminating all competitors, particularly any competitors who are doing fairly well in these waters without resorting to predation. They seem to lash out the most against those of us who survive just fine peacefully chomping on marine vegetation instead of eating flesh.

If the report shows where the original came from and the timing of your successive submissions, I would think that your only possible issue might be from the initial 18%, but it probably depends more on the criteria and rules used by the editors of the journal involved.

I simply gave my opinion about the quality of the content of a website.


Thank you.

Someone asked for help finding reliable companies here and I responded with a simple suggestion to use the search function or profile function to make an independent determination of any member's likely reliability based on previous posting history.


In my opinion, every student is here for the exact same reason as every other student; every writer is here for the exact same reason as every other writer; every company rep is here for the exact same reason as every other company rep; and there is absolutely no such thing here as anybody who is only here as an "observer" of this industry without a very direct personal stake in it. You (and everyone else here) can draw your own conclusions about that for yourself.

I'm sorry that you find it so offensive that I post in complete, grammatically correct English sentences and I apologize for antagonizing you that way. Like everyone else, I just post my thoughts and opinions here. Unlike you, I don't have any reason to start unprovoked attacks against anybody and I maintain a mutually respectful relationship with all of my legitimate competitors. My suggestion to you is to worry more about (and work on) your own writing skills and just try to compete that way instead of by attacking others just because they can express themselves fairly articulately in their posts.


Actually, if you're having trouble seeing anybody's signature, you just need to make sure that your account setting is set to display all signatures (from anybody who has one, not just mine, obviously). Since you find signatures so offensive, you should probably just leave your settings the way they are.

One thing you could do is use the search function. You can put the name of any member who is a writer in the search box and then make sure to change the "title only"/"entire messages" option to "entire messages," and also change the dates to the last couple of years so it doesn't go back to 2006. Another thing you could do is just check the profile of any writer and go through that person's posting history. Ultimately, you should decide for yourself based on what you think about the content of anybody's posts.

This is not practical if you produce any real volume of essays.


If your writers are good enough to be charging anybody for their work in the first place, there is no "grammar-writing software" that can improve their work without adding more mistakes than it fixes. The writing would have to be pretty bad for any automated grammar program to find fixable issues; and if the writing is good, the program will be unable to distinguish errors from purposeful choices in sentence construction that just aren't recognizable to automated grammar software.

They also typically add a bonus to orders that they anticipate might not get taken at the regular price because of difficulty even before we have to ask for it. They're very good about that.

If you wrote this and it's supposed to be an exercise for someone who is (admittedly) still learning how to speak (and write) English, I suppose it's OK. On the other hand, if you paid hard-earned money for this to any company that advertises "professional writing services" in English, you got ripped off. It's full of many different kinds of elementary mistakes and, in general, it's written at about the level you'd expect of a (not particularly good) American 7th Grade student, give or take about a year.

In my opinion, most clients probably would pay up after the fact, but I don't think you can make a living doing this relying on that. Even if only 1 out of every 10 clients stiffed you, that would be a 10% annual salary loss and you'd also have to include the money lost on paid work you could have done during the time wasted on unpaid projects, not to mention the peace of mind while you're trying to concentrate on your work. Clients just have to understand that it's always a slight risk anytime they use a new writer and that they should just start off with a short assignment until they think that they can trust a writer.

What a supreme bastion of moral and intellectual integrity you are. You don't decide whom to attack or defend based on the merits or anything objective about people or the quality of their work. You decide what to say publicly about someone based on your personal feelings that get hurt in the petty fights that you start. You've stated (truthfully) many times that I'm one of the most experienced and legitimate writers on this forum. Now, because I responded appropriately to this stupid fight that you picked with me, you're going to just reverse your position on me and start chiming in to agree with "ANYONE" here who attacks me, including all the lying dirtbags you've called lying dirtbags for years. You're a real model of integrity for having my back "countless times" and now deciding to reverse your entire position because of this stupid fight that you picked in the first place.

Why don't you scroll up and see how all this nonsense started? I gave a totally accurate insider's account of how much control customers have over which writers write their papers and then responded appropriately when you characterized that as "terribly misleading." I didn't say anything remotely personal about you before you started with the veiled threats in your reference to something that happened to "Rusty."

The fact of the matter is that when customers place orders at essay companies, those orders can get taken by any writer, including the worst writer in the entire stable. When they "request" a specific writer, the order can still get taken by any writer if the requested writer declines it. That covers about 99% of all essay company orders. You implied that all specific requests require some kind of "approval" from the customer before any other writer writes it, and you know that's absolute BS. It's only the very rare exception that a customer actually spells out that they don't want any other writer that the company has to get "approval." Otherwise, you know as well as I do that it's totally automated and the customer is never consulted about "approving" an alternate writer. Nobody here believes your claims about having "proven" anything, any more than anybody believed your silly rationalizations here about word usage and yes, it's hard to get much more petty and vindictive than this:

https://essayscam.org/forum/es/academic-help-verification-656/

And you did the exact same thing to ProfessorVerb a few weeks ago even though you know that he's also one of the top writers at one of the companies you've regularly defended. So yes, you're about as petty and vindictive as anybody who's ever been a member here, routinely threatening to destroy the livelihoods of the same writers you know are considered the best writers at the very companies you've defended countless times just because you got your panties all bunched up in fights over GRAMMAR and whatnot or over their JOKES that you started in the first place. If I'd have been looking for a fight with you, I'd have chimed in when you attacked PV over an innocent joke he made the same way you started vowing to destroy me in 2008 because I dared point out that it's "number of mistakes" and not "amount of mistakes"in a post where you were criticizing someone else's grammar, speaking of being "pompous."

Yes, absolutely. I can explain that. You're obviously out of your mind. I don't discuss you with anybody and to my knowledge you're a female without a "wife," although I suppose that's now possible in about a half a dozen states even if you're female. I have absolutely no idea what your "name" is and have never even give a second's thought to what it might be or to who you are or to what kinds of "business ventures" you operate, much less what your "address" is and I've never had a single conversation with anybody like that about you. Someone has obviously been feeding you some absolute nonsense that you've obviously bought hook, line, and sinker. I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you're clinically insane if you believe that I've had any of those kinds of conversations about you with anybody and I have no idea what "doors" you could even possibly be talking about.

You made an absolute fool out of yourself back in 2008 over an innocent comment that I made pointing out your total misuse of the words "amount" and "number" in a thread where you were criticizing someone else's grammar and you did the exact same thing to me back then that you did to PV much more recently: you started threatening to get me fired from my job. You must know someone at the companies I write for somehow, because one of the owners actually emailed me back then thanking me for supporting their company here but asking me not to fight with you because you've also been supportive of them. Since October 2008, I have honored that request and I have done my best to just ignore you because I know you're extremely volatile and vindictive and petty and because my employers asked me not to fight with you, and I haven't. You chose to quote and completely mischaracterize a statment I made here today and I responded appropriately to that nonsense. You emailed me a few years ago asking for RustyIronChains' email because I'd mentioned here that he'd emailed me and I asked you for your help last year over getting paid by a company whose owner you seemed to know and I forwarded all our emails to you to back up what I was posting hoping you might return the favor and help me get paid. That sums up the entirety of my thoughts about you and if you think I've ever even thought about what your address is or anything like that, you're insane and/or being fed some real garbage by someone else who's playing you for a fool.

You blew it. Your "streak" of non-English-massacring "sentences" lasted exactly 2 posts and totalled 5 words and then you went right back to speaking Klingon.

You know absolutely nothing about my writing or my research skills and you know nothing about my clients or my practices. You do nothing here but spew nonsense and totally fabricated lies about every company and every person who actually does this for a living fairly successfully. You should probably spend more time improving your English and your own business and just stop embarrassing yourself to anybody with an IQ above 80 who reads this stuff.


I have no idea what this is even supposed to mean. As I said, I have no quarrel with you. I don't quote your posts or ever look for any arguments with you and I generally ignore your posts when you start your totally unprovoked fights with others that you choose to turn into all-out wars over absolutely nothing, as you did most recently with ProfessorVerb. He happens to be another of the top writers at the companies you know to be the best in this industry and all he did was make an innocent and very good-natured joke that you chose to take personally and start a war over with him and actually threaten to try to get him fired over. Of course, that kind of thing could never happen unless you had some interest in or control over the companies that you say you don't even work for. I generally avoid interacting with you here because you seem to know my employers somehow, but when you quote me and characterize something I wrote as "terribly misleading" when it's 100% accurate, I'll respond appropriately.

My only "stance" is as follows:

1. I work for many essay companies and you've reassured everybody here hundreds of times that you don't work for or have any interest in any of them. I, for one, believe you 100%. Since you don't work for any of the companies whose order boards have been on my computer screens 24/7/365 since 2003, I probably know a little better than you do how it works when we writers take orders at the companies where we work.

2. Unless a customer requests a specific writer, ANY writer can take ANY order.

3. Even if a customer does request a specific writer, that writer has no obligation to take it.

4. If the requested writer doesn't take the request, the order automatically becomes publicly available to ANY other writer just like any other order that never requested a specific writer. It happens all the time and I've had hundreds of orders like that, as has every other writer here who works for the same companies.

5.There is no "approval" process of any kind where the customer is asked to "approve" another writer except where:

6. The only time that the customer can "control" what writer takes an order is when the customer expressly types something along the lines of "If my writer isn't available I want a refund because I don't want any other writer." This probably happens about 1 out of every 25 requests; 24/25 times, they don't do that and the order just gets completed by whichever writer grabs it if the requested writer doesn't take it.

If I got anything about that "wrong," I'm sure ProfessorVerb, or JohnsMom, or ResearchPro, or Pheelyks will correct me and support your position because all of them work for the same companies that I do. But everything I've typed is 100% accurate no matter how much you try to twist it or selectively quote words to "prove" that you're right. The fact of the matter is that customers of all the essay companies that I know have no control over which writers take their orders except in the very few circumstances where they explicitly request it as I've described. Even when they "request" a specific writer, there's a good chance that another writer will take it for exactly the reasons I've described.

Congratulations. It took you only 948 attempts and 7 years to compose ONE "sentence" (giving you the maximum benefit of doubt about what constitues a sentence) in English. Now, you can work your way up and see if you can do it for more than 4 words.

947

I notice that your posts are getting shorter and shorter. Is that your attempt to increase your chance of writing ONE sentence in correct English?

C'mon, Dummy: I challenge you to try writing just ONE forum post without massacring the English language.

Maybe 948 will be your lucky number.

For the record, you know nothing about my clients and you (have previously admitted that you) have never seen a single thing I've ever written besides my forum posts. You have no way of knowing how well I research anything and at least people know that I can write in English. The fact that you can't write in English doesn't somehow establish that you can "research" anything better than anybody who can.

946

That's now 945 failed attempts to write ONE sentence in actual English in SEVEN YEARS of trying.

You better calm down there, Dummy. At this rate, if your English gets any worse you'll be speaking something closer to Klingon than English.

As impossible as that seems, your English is actually getting worse. That's now 943 failed attempts at writing even ONE grammatically correct sentence in English. Just 57 more until you hit 0 for 1,000 tries. I'm sure you'll make it with ease.

There's absolutely nothing "misleading" about that at all. As you know, orders simply go up on a board that lists all of the available orders that have not requested a specific writer. Any of those orders can get taken by the best writer or by the worst writer on a first-come/first-served basis.


I'm aware of that. As you probably know, I've been one of the most requested writers at some of the best companies in this business for a long time. In any case, how is what you just typed any different from this?


Furthermore, unless the customer expressly says something like "I want ONLY FreelanceWriter and no other writer," there is absolutely NO "approval" process whatsoever after the requested writer declines that order. Once we click it off our screen, ANY other writer can take it and that's what happens. Even if we don't click it off our screen, it's only reserved for us for a maximum of 3 hours and then it automatically becomes publicly available to all writers. In fact, I've tried (unsuccessfully) to ask some companies to make that period of exclusivity longer than 3 hours so we don't miss requests when we're sleeping or out.

I have no desire to have a war with with you over this or anything else but what you just typed is totally inaccurate and there are at least half a dozen other writers here who work for the same companies as I do who can confirm that everything I've said here is 100% accurate and not the least bit "misleading." Since we actually work for those companies and you don't, we'd probably know a little bit better than you would exactly how it does and doesn't work at any company we write for, wouldn't we?

That's now 942 consecutive failed attempts to write ONE good sentence in English. No, I do not think "student is stupid"; but I think you're incredibly stupid to think that any employee of more than 1,000 federal agencies (and there are between 2 and 3 million of them and dozens of times more former federal employees) can just pick up a phone or log into a secure computer system and access government databases like that. If we could, there'd be a Predator drone circling above your mud hut right now.

That may very well be true, especially for longer deadlines. However, the good essay companies generally charge more than (or exactly the same as) their best freelancers do privately for shorter or rush deadlines. Also, when you use any company, you have absolutely no control over whether your order is taken by the best and most experienced of several hundred (or more) writers or by the worst and least experienced writer who just started doing this last week and who may get fired next week for not meeting the company's minimum quality standards. Contrary to what many customers imagine, most companies don't "assign" work to their writers, either; it's always up to writers to choose whatever available projects they want. You may get their best writer one time and their worst writer the next time. You can request your preferred writer, but we have absolutely no obligation to accept any specific request and we frequently decline them. Once you find a freelancer whose work you like, you know the quality of work you're getting on every assignment. I cannot afford to compete with commercial company prices for longer deadlines because I'm usually fully booked up with work at a higher rate than that and I'd be losing money turning away any work at my usual rate if I tried to compete with commercial prices for longer deadlines. It's always a gamble and many customers prefer paying what amounts to a company "rush" rate for the peace of mind that comes from knowing exactly who will be doing their assignments every time.

That now makes 941 failed attempts at composing even a single sentence in grammatically correct English. Just 59 more posts and you'll set the global Internet record as the first person ever to hit 0 out of 1,000 attempts on any Internet forum.

I was not "fired" from the federal government and federal employees are civil servants, not "bottom feeders." In any case, most sane people think it's a good thing and not a bad thing that a freelance writer used to work as a senior Writer/Editor for a very large U.S. federal agency.

Shocking news.

Anybody with an IQ above 80 realizes that there's nothing "xenophobic" or remotely racist here because it acknowledges the absolute legitimacy of any ESLs who don't lie about being ESL. Anybody "disturbed" by that is either one of those ESLs who think it's perfectly fine to misrepresent that to prospective NELS clients who care enough to ask about it or is just too stupid to understand the explicit distinction between honest legitimate and dishonest illegitimate ESLs, or both.

I give up; what language is that supposed to be?


These would be your 939th and 940th attempts in 7 years to write even a single sentence in English anywhere on this forum without multiple errors that most American 6th grade students would recognize immediately. There are at least 7 glaring mistakes just in that last very short post, Mr. "Professional Writer." Trust me, the last thing I'm worried about is "competition" from you.


I'm giving you benefit of the doubt and guessing #4.

You're welcome.

Only because new members and others surfing here for the first time may not necessarily realize that right away. It's also an opportunity to demonstrate the tremendous difference between grammatically correct English and logical thought to contrast whatever language that is that he rants in here and because those exchanges typically result in a flurry of new customer inquiries.

As far as I can tell, there are 5 categories of writers:

1. People like ProfessorVerb, Pheelyks, JohnsMom, ResearchPro, and me who have all been doing this as our full-time living for many years. We all have multiple degrees and/or advanced degrees and significant professional experience and we can handle many different areas very well. We subscribe to online databases and have our own extensive hardcopy libraries of resources in our homes. Our business consists mostly of repeat clients who typically use us for dozens of assignments over many months or for several years.

2. Legitimate but much less experienced writers who do this part-time or who are either just starting out and maybe hoping to do it full-time eventually or trying to earn a little extra money to supplement their other jobs (or while they're in between jobs). Generally, they also have college degrees but are much less versatile in the number of areas they can cover competently and if they're legitimate, they're very careful not to take work that exceeds their ability to do at a high level. They usually rely on Google or Google Scholar or on their college course materials.

3. Legitimate ESL writers who have multiple degrees and/or advanced degrees and who never pretend not to be ESL just to get NELS students' business under false pretenses. They probably use the same types of sources as we do.

4. Clowns who shouldn't ever be taking anybody's hard-earned money for the garbage they call "writing." These are usually either recent US college grads who vastly over-estimate their abilities or who just think it doesn't really matter since these transactions are anonymous and in a virtual medium; or they're ESLs who don't even realize that just being able to speak English doesn't mean that they can write anything in English that comes anywhere close to the minimum quality standards that any client has a right to expect. All of them produce garbage that is a total waste of money because it's unusable to any non-ESL client. They use Wikipedia and typically do a lot of cutting and pasting or just they just paraphrase the first thing they find on a topic on Wiki.

5. Blatant rip-off artists who just copy/paste whatever they find on any topic or send the same essays over and over to different clients and continually change email addresses or open up new essay writing companies and whose business consists of 100% first-time/last-time victims of their scams.

Because there aren't really too many jobs that would fit this description besides dealing drugs or stripping:

In my personal opinion, "fortune tellers," traditional chiropractors, and many types of stock brokers and used car salesmen deserve that "headache" a lot more than strippers, but I understand that isn't a particularly common societal point of view (with the possible exception of the fortune tellers). It may also be one of my first guesses because I sometimes have to remind my wife that she shouldn't worry about what any idiots think about the fact that she used to dance and because I used to work as a bouncer with her in a few of those places; but those were my personal opinions on the issue long before any of that, rather than the other way around.