I'd agree with this. The main reason that this industry even exists, (besides colleges admitting students who have no business in college in the first place just to collect their tuition fees), is that writing assignments are forced on students who have no interest in ever writing anything more than an email. Writing more than that is a great skill to have but you can't force someone to learn to write if he doesn't want to.

The ability to express yourself in writing is important, which is why I think Composition classes make a lot more sense than assigned substantive academic "research" at the college level. As a matter of fact, a recent study of professional scientific journal submissions determined that even they plagiarize more often than not. (They identified particular mistakes in the actual citations that appeared over and over in different peer-reviewed journals and determined that professional researchers often just copy their supposed "sources" from the references in other published articles because they all contained the exact same mistake, like a specific comma or semicolon out of place in multiple papers which is statistically impossible for multiple independent researchers to make unless they're just copying the mistake in that citation from other articles.) In my opinion, fudged writing in professional scientific journals is a much more serious matter than in undergraduate academic writing.

We get tons of Nursing papers, precisely because nursing is about knowing what drugs and procedures to administer and how to follow doctors' orders and nothing to do with writing essays about the history of modern nursing or the discovery of penicillin. Same goes for what makes a good teacher and we get tons of Education papers too. Dental students seem to order a lot of essays and even if they breach our contract and actually submit them for credit, I really doubt that any patient has ever suffered any worse dental care by virtue of dentists' not writing their own papers on root canals. By definition, to the extent you allow students to choose their own essay topics in the first place, the actual subject matter of their papers is arbitrary and not "necessary" knowledge.

In my opinion, even when students write their own essays from scratch, they don't represent anything approaching academic "research"; they're little more than chores that force them to struggle with paraphrasing a bunch of other peoples' ideas until they have enough to satisfy a page requirement. People who have any real need to learn how to write more than emails don't need to be forced to do it through mandatory assignments and people who hate writing or can't write don't usually pick majors like Journalism that require a lot of writing after graduation. Just let nurses and engineers study nursing and engineering science and there won't be such a demand for professional writers to help with academic essays.

That's a really brilliant formula there: the amount of time between a post and a response to it must be the amount of the time actually spent typing out the response. Again, just for the record, you've never seen a single thing I've ever written for anybody and would have absolutely no idea what my "style" is beyond my forum posts.

You've never seen anything that I've ever written besides my posts on this forum. The companies who use my work and most if not all of my private clients use some form of anti-plagiarism program to check all of my work. So, if any of that were even remotely true, I'd have been fired a long time ago and you wouldn't have to resort to lying about me on this forum to compete (unsuccessfully) against me.

It's really not my fault that actually writing 10-15 pages of totally original material in a sitting is so far beyond your ability that you figure everybody else is equally challenged and incapable of writing that much better than you, that much more than you, and that much faster than you. Apparently, you've completely given up even bothering to have any kind of real argument with those of us who have previously pointed out your idiocy and you now just make up accusations that have absolutely no basis in fact.

Just out of curiosity, how much experience do you actually have doing this for a living? Your solution isn't that practical because we write most papers that are under 10-15 pages in one sitting and it wastes our time to have to start a paper, stop, and then return to it another day. More importantly, it doesn't solve the underlying problem at all because the customer still has to trust the writer to prepay for the first "half" of the paper. Furthermore, it's impossible anytime the order is a rush and a very large percentage of our work is rush jobs. Those of us who really do this for a fulltime living usually don't even put work on our calendar, much less start writing, until the job is prepaid in full. Start looking for a writer early and order a short paper because it doesn't matter, from a trust perspective, whether you're risking the cost of a whole 4-pg paper or prepaying for just "half" of an 8-pg paper; either way, you're prepaying for work and hoping you don't get ripped off.

Instead of trying to solve the trust issue your way, I've repeatedly suggested that customers should just start off with a short paper and a long deadline to try out any new company or any new freelance writer. Don't wait until you need a crucial 20-page paper in 5 days to start looking for a writer and try to negotiate partial payments on a single paper. By the time you have a long thesis to worry about, you should already have found yourself a writer or writing company that you can trust.

I wasn't taking any sides based on the identity of the supposed individuals in your ridiculous story: I was just responding to the idiocy of the whole thing and to the way you write, given that you present yourself as a "writer" on this forum. The characters and motives keep changing in your story; the only consistency is the idiocy and that's all I was responding to.

Then you and he are perfectly matched because he won't realize that you barely speak English.

To answer your original question, the writer obviously just forwarded to PayPal the original email to his client with the attached file showing that the customer was lying when he said he "never received" the work from him. If he continues trying to make life miserable for the writer after trying unsuccessfully to defraud him out of his fee by lying to PayPal, there are definitely ways for the writer to find out where he goes to school and just return the favor.

That's a real shock right there, huh? If you can't write a decent essay or figure out how to protect yourself in that situation, this might not be the right job for you.

If you've read my posts, you'd know that I've specifically said that trust must be built and that students should always try out any company and any independent writer with a very short paper first before ordering a long, expensive, and crucial paper. I tried to explain that someone always has to take a risk either paying in advance or writing in advance in any new customer-writer relationship and that a partial-payment plan doesn't change that. I never suggested anything about having a great Internet reputation, only that writers have even less opportunity to retaliate than customers do after being ripped off. As far as how I spend my time, arguing with broken English-speaking idiots with lousy reading comprehension and reasoning skills is just something I do for fun. Thanks for playing.


Absolutely brilliant suggestion. Instead of spending a few minutes at a time on "self promotion" online that you consider such a waste of time that necessarily conflicts with earning a living as a writer, we should spend a couple of hours at a time scheduling a face-to-face meeting with every single stranger so much as considering using us, and we should limit our customer base from one that is global to the immediate geographic area within meeting distance of every customer. Worry much more about your studies and much less about how other people earn a good living doing what they already do pretty well without your brilliant suggestions and help.

All I did was suggest to someone whose post is very obviously written in ESL-English that if he decides to enter this industry, he not offer his services to any native English-speaking customers without disclosing that he is ESL. Not sure what about that suggests excessive "pride" on my part. My name appeared on plenty of work in the U.S. published by the federal agency that I worked for and they seemed to think I was a writer because the sign they had on my office door read "Writer/Editor" and that's what all my agency credentials and earnings statements said.


If you're so worried about a "shadow-industry for scumbags" you should be happy and not angry that I've simply encouraged someone to be 100% honest with his prospective customers about his English skills before taking their money.

I've repeatedly suggested the same thing but in slightly different contexts depending on whether the issue is using a company or a freelancer:

With companies, your first concern is determining wherher they're legit, meaning simply, that you'll actually receive an original piece of writing after paying for it. You still may need to try a few different company writers unless the first paper you get back is eactly what you wanted in terms of quality and writing style. If not, you may have to try a few different small projects and then always request the writer whose work you liked the most.

With freelancers, you also want to start small to make sure they're legit and will actually provide an original piece of writing. You still want to make sure you like the quality and style before you trust anybody with a major piece of work. If not, let somebody else "audition" for you.

It may cost more, but wouldn't you rather spend twice the cost on 1 major project finding the right writer to give you eactly what you need on it that way that skip the cost of finding a good writer and throw away whatever the cost of that major project or leave that entirely to chance and hope? I know at least 3 writers here who would earn you future business with one short paper.

Unfortunately, there's no such thing. Regardless of whether it's 1 page or 100 pages, either the customer has to trust the writer to actually write something after paying in advance or the writer has to trust the customer to actually pay after spending time and effort working on the paper. If there's no deadline issue, you could always pay for only a few pages or for just one section of a longer paper before you pay for the whole thing, or you could order a short paper before trusting a writer with a major project, but most of us aren't going to spend our time writing anything based on a promise from a stranger to pay us afterwards. You could also pay section by section, but at least in my case, nothing even gets scheduled on my calendar (let alone written) until it's paid in full. When you do this for a fulltime living, you're always working, you routinely write all night long and constantly blow off other things in your life to take as much work as possible and meet deadlines, and your hands always hurt. No way in Hell I'm working 8 hours (or whatever) on a paper and then just hoping that the customer actually pays me afterwards. That time costs me other work, or a workout, or sleep, or time that I could use to get other things done in my life that are always on hold because I'm busy writing for a living. If you don't pay me, that time is lost and I've worked very hard for nothing.

We writers have no way to collect or force you to pay afterwards and there's no website or forum where customers would have to worry about their reputations if they're not honest. You have at least some recourse to recover a payment depending on how you pay if we don't provide the work and you could trash our reputations here. You can also ask for references in advance and for samples of our work but there's nothing comparable from the other end of things.

As I've said many times, the first time always requires you to trust the writer. Start with a smaller paper with plenty of time if there's a problem. Don't wait until you have a crucial long paper due in 3 days before looking for a writer.

They write tens of thousands of papers a month. It's hard enough just to check every paper before you receive it. Do you really think any company could possibly police the Internet to follow the life of every paper after you receive it?

Right. We writers don't see any of that information except when customers happen to fax resources and include the cover sheet or their personal information or company order confirmation in the faxes. Ordinarily, all we writers ever see is the order # and the description. We have no idea who you are, where you go to school, or what your name is. Sometimes, I have to use the message system just to ask what someone's nationality, race, and gender are for papers about personal reflections on nationality, race, and gender (etc) because if you don't include that info, we have no way of knowing any of it. If the company requests it, I assume it's all for billing and credit card verificaton purposes.

Thanks, but I already have a law degree. This is not "theoretical"; it's nonsense. The company already has all those legal rights "if it shows up in the market place" by virtue of owning the copyright. Adding that "policy" adds nothing to their existing rights. Furthermore, there'd be no way to link it to the writer, since the student could do whatever he or she wants after receiving the paper, despite the fact that the TOS prohibit that too.

You wanted to know whether the company resells papers it promises not to resell. In the case of the company you asked about, the answer is no. Theorize less; read more.

Will they respect requests for only non-ESL writers?

Writers take order off the board. The company is not involved and doesn't "assign" writers. If you ask for non-ESL and you get ESL, you could request a rewrite and threaten to do a chargeback. I have no idea what happens with that in either case because I'm not an ESL and not involved or privy to any admin stuff.

Can I ask for copies of sources which are online only, but still have them use hardcopy sources if needed?
(Normally copies of sources is a yes/no question, and if yes, writers seems to avoid hardcopy only sources)

The more of a pain you make your order, the more you steer it towards inexperienced writers and writers who don't take large volumes of work. You might as well just say "please have your best writers ignore my order." It's fine to ask for working links but if you start asking for "copies" of sources, I can't delete your order from my screen fast enough.

Wrt the number of sources, do I need to specify a number, even if I have a certain set of source I want them to use? I just don't want to narrow it, if they feel they need to use more sources.

Best bet is to leave it to us unless your instructions actually require you to use a minimum number of sources. Another way to steer your order right off the screen of the best writers is to order 2 pages or 4 pages and ask for 10 or 20 sources. Click right off my screen without even reading the rest of your order description.

Is it ok to start a 30+ day job now, and provide more sources as time goes by, or does everything need to be upfront? (I assume the latter, but still want to ask)

No changes after the order is placed. We have to know all the details and specs before we decide to take or not take your order.

Is it ok to only be contactable through email? I don't want phone call discussions on the matter, since I'm mostly out in the field with clients.

Once your order is taken, you have a message system function to contact the writer with important questions, but that doesn't mean you can initiate an ongoing exchange about nonsense and requests like "How's my paper coming along?"

If I ask for a 30+ day job, will the writer provide me with intermediates?

No. Unless you get a novice writer, we write most papers in a single sitting unless they're longer than about 10 pages. When you do this for a living and write 1,000+ papers annually, you don't write "drafts"; you just sit down and write a great paper, proofread it, spellcheck, and upload it.

That's their policy. If they sold them 6 months later, that would be no different from their policy on their other websites. You have no more "guarantee" or any less "guarantee" than any other promise made by most businesses about their policies.

They don't have "policies" about that because there's no way to police the computer files of remote independent contractors. As a writer, I can tell you that I'd never delete anything substantial that I ever wrote even if I never planned on doing anything with it commercially. The company may own the copyright under our contract, but they don't "own" the effort and creativity that went into my work. I keep (almost) everything I ever write.

I've only reported what I know firsthand about the company in response to what I know for a fact are outright lies.

While I have no way of knowing anything about the work of any other writers, I do know that the company is 100% legitimate and that real writers actually write essays for orders placed and that full refunds are always issued for any orders not taken by a writer.

I know that I've written about 60 essays a month for them since 2003 and that they also require rewrites for any justified requests. I've only defended the company against accusations of being any kind of "scam" because I know firsthand that's not true and I can't stand seeing that kind of nonsense posted here by competitors on a forum read by prospective customers looking for credible information about the industry players.

I've never said a negative word about any other companies because, as I've said repeatedly, I don't know anything about any companies I've never worked for besides what I've read about them on here.

You apparently have independent evidence that I'm a legitimate writer and I appreciate your posting it, but that should also corroborate my statements about companies that use me because I have absolutely no reason to lie about it, especially since I also compete directly against them for customers and I make more on private work than on any company work because I don't have to split the pay with anybody.

Obviously, I appreciate the positive press, but I'm usually much more careful about taking UK work because their academic standards are higher than most of our schools. It cuts down on the number of subjects that I'm comfortable with anytime I know it's for UK students. On the other hand, I've had some UK clients say they were going to spread the word that they liked my work. Maybe they actually did.

Name them.

Except that I've had the same email addy since 2000, you've never seen a single thing I've written except for my posts on here, and the companies we write for have no problem with our finding clients anywhere we want as long as we don't ever take private work from any of their existing clients. They also monitor this forum for defamatory accusations and if either Pheelyks or I had anything to hide from the company, we obviously wouldn't be using the exact same names on here that we use for our company IDs. Besides all of that stuff, your post makes perfect sense, as usual.

In other words, any writer or essay company requiring payment in advance is a scam. Brilliantly stupid comment from you, as usual.

Not only could all of my customers verify that I'm legitimate, but so can every person here who's ever inquired about a paper that I declined outright because it was outside my areas or that I refused to take any less for than my price quote, because scammers have no reason ever to decline any pre-paid paper and no reason not to take less than their initial price quote. Anybody who doubts that I'm a legitimate writer can just place an order requesting me on any number of the top essay companies in the business whose names I can't mention but which can be found in all of your other nonsensical attacks on the writers and companies with whom you have no hope of competing successfully.

Do me a small favor? I'm way too booked up to take any more work this weekend. Please hold off on your attacks until at least Monday when I'll be free again to take some of the work that always ends up coming my way after people read our exchanges and decide for themselves who's obviously the idiot and who's probably a legitimate writer. Thank you.

This is why I don't even put a paper on my scehdule, let alone actually start writing it, before it's paid in full. Most clients understand it after you explain that the first time always requires trust and that the only option is to start out with a short paper with any new writer or essay company. Once in a while, they refuse, but that's fine, because I'd rather lose 5 potential new clients than spend my time and effort writing a single paper that ends up not being paid for after the fact.

I write for them and I'm real. You're real too: a real idiot.

New members whose questions sound like genuine questions generally receive polite informative responses from anybody with actual knowledge about those sites (along with the usual bitter nonsense, lies, and false accusations from the resident nuts like Stu4, who is just a jealous unsuccessful competitor of the successful and honest sites).

New members (like you) whose questions sound like obvious rhetoric rather than genuine questions generally get responses that are appropriate to their very thinly-veiled propaganda. And no, I'm not interested in letting you "pick my brain" as you asked in an email. If you had any genuine questions, you'd have just asked them instead of phrasing it that way, as though I know all sorts of secret information about the companies I work for that you can dig for by contacting me directly.

Every custom essay is always totally unique original work. If it isn't and they find out about it, they'll fire the writer. I don't ever have any need to use the customer-side page, so the first I ever heard of the 2-week thing was from this thread. All I knew before was that they don't ever resell orders placed through that site and they wait months before reselling papers ordered through their other sites and that's one reason Advanced Research Writer is slightly more expensive.

As a writer, I really have no inside knowledge about how things are done but the company is reputable and honest so I assume that they do anything they promise on their website. If you're worried about them reselling your paper, they don't do that with Phd papers.

The best US term paper services have 100-200+ writers, ranging from people like Pheelyks and me with multiple and advanced degrees who do this fulltime for a living and write 1,000+ papers annually to people who write a maybe few essays monthly for some spare cash. Yes, they do check our resumes, writing samples, and references when they hire us, but no writer would really have any way of knowing how good or bad other writers' work is because we all work independently. I've worked for them since 2003 and Pheelyks is the only writer whose work I've seen much of other than a small handful of isolated papers in connection with handling a rewrite or a supplement to them. You really have no basis for making any claims one way or the other about the work of other company writers.

Technically, "self-plagiarism" is still plagiarism by academic standards. If your professor tests it, it will show up as having been scanned previously because it stays in the system. You may have more of an excuse of innocent ignorance as far as your school is concerned plagiarizing yourself because you were the original author, at least. By contrast, there's no excuse when your paper shows up as having come from another source altogether.

As usual, you have no legitimate argument so you just make up completely false accusations and you have absolutely no compunction about your outright lies. You've never seen anything I've written (other than my forum posts) and you have no basis for commenting at all on my writing.

Meanwhile, WB (who endorses nobody here and has reprimanded me in the past for advertising) can verify that I'm considered one of the top 3-4 writers out of about 200+ employed by some of the best companies in the business and both Pheelyks and WRT can also vouch for the quality of my work because they've seen it. Coincidentally, even the forum member who started this particular thread almost 4 years ago can verify the quality (and 100% originality) of my work.

In my opinion, if you just take the time to go through old threads here, you should be able to determine who the legitimate writers and companies probably are with fairly decent certainty. Yes, it's a pain, but it will probably take you less time than searching for the same information elsewhere. Start by searching for threads started by any writers you consider potential candidates and then check older posts from those individual writers. In my opinion, you should start with writers who openly admit what companies they write for.

Back to this nonsense again? You have it exactly backwards: I tried to explain in that thread that when company customers issue instructions to write only 350 or 500 words I don't second-guess their instructions based on the fact that they ordered 2 pages or 3 pages from the system. If I disregard their instructions and write a full 2 or 3 pages on those orders, I can get stuck with a rewrite to edit it down to the number of words in their instructions. It's happened to me; that's why I've learned to follow their instructions about the word count instead of assuming that they want the full number of pages they ordered from the system.

This is a perfect example of why U.S. customers don't want any ESLs writing for them. It's not a typo either, but an example of idiomatic expression that you ESLs almost always screw up many times on every page of writing.

I don't "represent the interests of one company" here at all; I respond truthfully about any company if I have first-hand knowledge from working for them. That's also why I've never offered any opinion about any of the bad companies here, simply because I've never worked for any and only know what I've read on here about them.

It wasn't a recommendation either, just a statement of legitimacy from a current writer in response to a direct question from another forum member.

Yeah, I've been writing for them for years. Totally legit company. As with any company, your satisfaction may vary depending on what writer takes your order.

I didn't "conveniently assume" anything. I've actually had to rewrite orders because the client specified 400 or 500 words in a 2-pg order and I wrote a full 2 pages of about 600 words. Customers order 2 pages or 3 pages and specify that they only want 500 or 750 words all the time. If I deviate from the specs, I can get stuck with a rewrite. There has to be a way of fulfilling the order one way or the other without being liable for a rewrite both ways. Our customers always get the exact number of pages they order and in many cases, they actually end up getting slightly more than they ordered (at least from me) and never less. But when the specs expressly request a specific number of words, we follow that and we don't second-guess the specs based on how many pages were ordered.

If they order 2 pages, they get 2 pages; but if they pre-pay the system for 2 pages and they tell us 250-350 words max (or whatever), they get 350 words and they don't get to change their minds a day later and cause me to stop working on another paper and go back and waste my time working on theirs again just because they just changed their minds or because they didn't know how many words fit on a page when that info is clearly posted on the site they ordered from. The other day I had an order that said the entire paper was supposed to be in "bullet points only" and then I got a rewrite request because he decided that bullet points weren't really appropriate for certain sections of the paper. Rewrite requests like that can't get deleted fast enough.

You know all of this already, of course, and you know there's absolutely no truth to anything you say about me, but I'm just responding for the benefit of anybody else who might take your nonsense and your perpetual false accusations seriously, although I doubt that happens very often here.

It's impossible to know whether or not your complaint is justified without seeing the specs you provided. In any case, a legitimate dispute about the specs and the work isn't a "rip off" by any means. Rip-off sites don't furnish any paper after receiving your money or furnish totally plagiarized or previously-written work for your money.

We get ridiculous requests for rewrites all the time. Not saying yours is necessarily ridiculous, but here's two recent examples of rewrite requests for me that we could not honor:

1. Customer orders 3 pages and the specs clearly say "Please write a 500-wd essay..." I provide an essay that's exactly 500 words, which means I spent time checking the word count as I was writing and then edited it down to fit the specs.

Rewrite request because he ordered 3 pages and got less than 2 full pages of writing. The website clearly says you get about 275-300 wds/pg. If your specs say 500 words and I write a full 3 pages, I'm stuck having to fix it if you request a rewrite because you specified 500 words and not 850-900. The ordering system is automatic and if you order more pages than you need for the specs you provide, that's not my problem and not my responsibility to fix. Same as when you order the big salad when it turns out you're only hungry enough for the regular salad. Next time just order the right number of pages and don't provide specs that contradict the page count because we have to follow the specs and nobody has time to hold your hand and make sure that you know how many pages you need when all the info necessary to figure it out is right there for you. No rewrite.

2. Customer says "Answer the questions in the faxed file." No mention of how many questions there are. The file is formatted like an online forum with 2 questions, each one is right over a text box provided for the answer. Specs for 2-pg order request 175 words per answer which also requires time to track while writing and to edit down. The file also has another sentence above the 2 questions that both correspond to text boxes. It's not in the form of a question and it's formatted differently and without any corresponding text box. It's also much more general than the 2 questions and seems to be a statement about the entire assignment. There's also a case study file to read. The case study also has questions at the end that are similar but not the same as the file questions and there are 4 or 5 of them.

Customer complains that I only answered 2 questions. I respond that it's your assignment so you should make the effort to format the questions clearly and tell us how many questions there are at least. (At this point, the customer's attitude is what's going to determine whether I do more than I'm strictly required to since it's her mistake and I already spent the time making sure the word count is right, etc.) Customer responds with an attitude...she paid for 3 questions, it's my fault, "how do I contact the owner?" yada, yada.

The customer also said that I should have known what questions to answer because they were also in the case study. That means she never even bothered to read the cases study questions because the questions were definitely NOT "the same" at all. The lack of consideration in not taking the 2 seconds of your time to just delete the questions that you don't want answered could have wasted a lot of my time, because I might have just answered the questions in the case study instead of the ones in the file. I don't appreciate that lack of consideration or the slightest concern on your part for making sure your order is clear. That also factored into my decision.

Guess what? No rewrite. Next time take the trouble to tell me how many questions there are, OR just number them, OR make sure they're all formatted the same so one of them doesn't look like it's just an explanation of what the entire assignment is about. If you don't care enough to make that tiny effort for the paper I'm writing for you, then I don't care any more than you do and I'm doing whatever honestly seems like the most reasonable thing based on all the info in the order. And if you want your writer to put in the extra time to fix your mistake, ask in a way that sounds like you understand it's your fault and that you realize you're asking for a favor or a courtesy. Ask in a way that's accusatory or obnoxious and you can fix your paper yourself.

Anyway, the point is simply that if we screw up, you get an immediate free rewrite and an apology. If you screw up, you may or may not get a fix depending on what it is and how you ask. If you screw up and you have an attitude about it, it's going to be your problem and not ours. But genuine disagreements about the appropriateness of a rewrite request do not constitute a "scam" or a "rip off" just because you didn't get what you believe you were entitled to.

My choice of manufacturers for the example was obviously (to anybody but you, of course) entirely arbitrary; make it Subaru and Saab. The point was simply that customers in any industry would prefer a professional for whom the job is relatively easy over someone for whom the exact same job is much more difficult.

The last thing I'm worried about is ever being "outsmarted" by ESLs or (especially) by you. If ESL work were that good, customers wouldn't be specifically requesting non-ESL writers and then screaming about the fact that their papers seem to have been written by ESLs who ignore their requests.

If a customer prefers an American writer who can do the work relatively easily over an ESL who has to "work much harder then [sic]" I do on the same paper, that's up to the customer. Personally, if I had a choice of car mechanics between one who fixes Toyotas all the time and one who "has to work much harder" on the same job because he normally works only on Fords, I'd want the guy who does the work more easily than the one who has to struggle through it.

The only thing I'm "judging" is whether or not ESLs respect the rights of customers to determine for themselves whether or not they want any ESL writing their papers. I'd never even think of taking paper if the customer specified "only UK writers" and that's all I expect of any honest ESLs. Anybody reading this (besides you, of course) understands the difference between "judging" ESL's work and "judging" the ESL's respect for customers' specifications.

As usual, you're dishonest to the core in every respect: In this case, you deliberately cut off what you quoted from me to pretend I said something much different from what I said. You left out the rest of my sentence that appears below in its entirety, and, of course, you bolded the part about "taking an order" as though I suggested no ESL writer should ever take any order. :

Customers have every right to exclude ESL writers if that's their preference. If I placed an order and said "I don't want anybody who is not a native English speaker writing my paper" no ESL has a right to take that order and, as a customer, I'd have a valid complaint if any language sounds like it's obviously ESL. Nobody is criticising ESLs for working or for taking any work from any customer who has no problem with ESLs writing for him. I'm only talking about ESLs who ignore customers' specific requests for an American writer.

Frankly, ESL writers are absolutely no "competition" for me except to the extent they can grab orders off the same assignment boards. I routinely work all night and go to bed at 8:00 or 9:00 AM NY time. If anything, I miss out on more orders taken by other U.S. writers while I'm sleeping until 3:00 PM than on any orders taken by anybody in foreign time zones.

As always, my responses to you are never actually meant for you, much less in expectation of any intelligent response on point from you. My responses to your posts are always meant for others, and just to highlight the perpetual stupidity of your posts.

I have never given any "biased" advice. In fact, I've suggested complaining to the company about any ESL writer who takes an order despite the request for a non-ESL or who otherwise really screws up an order so the company can address it and fire bad writers who compete with me for orders. The only defense I've always made on behalf of the company is about being called a "scam" because they are honest and about anything else that I'd know firsthand having been writing 50 - 70 papers for them every month since 2003. I do not defend the company categorically against any criticism from real customers, but mainly against totally false accusations from the idiots like stu4 who just make crap up because they can't hope to compete honestly against any large legitimate company.

"Good advice from Phellky."

I'm just trying to respond to the merits of a customer's concerns and explain which issues are valid for complaint and which aren't. Meanwhile, this idiot never has anything intelligent to add to any discussion. He just jumps at any opportunity to accuse legitimate companies of "fraud" because he can't compete with them.

You can do a charge back if a company fails to deliver a paper or delivers plagiarized work, or something that isn't even comprehensible. You can't do a charge back based on (even) a legitimate cause for a rewrite, including a short word count. That's what rewrites are for and your contract with the company spells that out very clearly.

Ignore this idiot and just request a rewrite for the short word count. Spare yourself, the writer, and admin the waste of time and aggravation of making additional demands about the order that are purely subjective and not actual parts of the original specs that the writer missed. For example, you can't ask for a rewrite because you've now decided that you wanted more space devoted to one issue or another (etc) if that wasn't specified originally.

If you want to be smart about it and you're owed a few pages because of the word count, you could ask the writer to make editorial changes instead of increasing the word count. Still, that's going to be up to the writer unless he missed some specs because the only objective rewrite issue you've mentioned is the word count.

Try asking nicely.

Don't waste your time arguing about what you think about the writer's process or the time that the writer took to do it. If the writer failed to fulfill the specs, you have a legitimate issue, but it has nothing to do with how much time the writer spent on it or when. Objective mistakes are an issue; your subjective opinion about writing is not an issue that should be considered.

Your original complaint was about the word count. You can request more words but you cannot demand a different writer based on your subjective criticism of the work and, frankly, it's obnoxious for you to start complaining about what you think the writer's process was, especially if you got your paper on time. Stick to your word-count issue unless the writer failed to follow any of the other specs in your order.

In this business and in academia, double-spacing is standard, so 18 double-spaced pages is really 18 pages and not 9 pages. You can order single spacing but a 9-pg single-spaced paper will really be charged as 18 pages because that's what it is.

As I've already made very clear, I cannot take any work from anybody who is already a customer of any company I write for.

If you're talking about the same order, I don't think you can ask for a different writer to work on it because only the original writer got paid for it. You can request a rewrite for the additional pages based on a short word count, but it would always be from the same writer. The only time a different writer would ever be asked to work on it is if the first writer really messed it up and isn't qualified for the assignment but that doesn't happen too often because they dump bad writers. When that happens, the company eats the cost to keep the customer's goodwill because none of us writers write anything for free and the company ends up paying two writers to write the same paper, which means they don't make a dime on it.

As a freelance writer, I also compete directly (but fairly) against the companies. That means if you're already a customer of any company I write for, I can't ever take any private work from you. But it also works the other way around as well: if you're not already a customer of theirs and you're interested in my services, I don't take any new clients through any companies because they take half the pay. I don't take too many company papers that aren't rush orders, but you can always request me. If it's a topic I like and I can squeeze it in, I'll try, but no promises.