I've never seen what the customer screen looks like, but you should have a tab to send a message to your writer asking for confirmation. However, if you don't get an answer, you won't know whether that's because your writer didn't answer or because the order's still on the board, except now with a message posted on it. You should send the same message using the "admin" message button instead of the "writer" message button to ask whether the order's been taken yet.

I don't "represent" any company and I don't "have" any "stooges." I've written thousands of papers for them since 2003 and I've earned hundreds of requests from very satisfied customers, some of whom have ordered dozens of papers over the course of several years.

I've never criticized any company on this forum (much less in "thousands" of posts) simply because, as I've said many times, I don't know anything about any companies that haven't used me. All I know is that this particular company is 100% legit. Still, customers are always dealing with the luck of the draw until they find a writer whose work they like at any essay company.

They fill all their orders and reund any orders that don't get taken by a writer. If you have a valid complaint about a paper, they refund the money and I know there's a very recent post here from a customer who reported receiving a 100% refund. That doesn't mean that every complaint necessarily triggers a refund because editorial criticism of writing is very subjective. But the fact that they decline certain requests for refunds based on subjective criticism doesn't make the company a "scam." You know that, of course, but you're hell-bent on trashing the company because you obviously just can't compete with them very successfully.

If that's true (and I'm not saying it can't be), it's the writer, not the company. They have hundreds of writers and nothing is ever "assigned" to any writer. That's why I've always advised prospective customers of any essay company to place a small order (or a few small orders) first and then to stick with a writer whose work you like before you order a major project. In general, your results are always going to be dependent on the writer who chooses to take your paper. But (at most) this is a quality issue with that writer; a "scam" is where a company takes your money and never sends an essay or where they send you an essay that wasn't actually custom written work. You may have every reason to be disappointed with one writer's work, but the company is 100% legit and some of us writers get repeated requests from so many satisfied customers that we can't even take them all.

Unless your paper is about 45+ pages, if you consider 3 days to be such a challenging deadline that "time is of the essence," you should probably be working on it instead of talking to people on an online forum.

When you do this for a living, you end up writing 10-15-pg papers in one sitting fairly routinely. If the writer can't do what you ordered in the time available he shouldn't take the order off the board.

I always try to answer messages. The only ones I ignore are really silly messages telling me how important it is for me to write it well or to use good English or to make sure it's not plagiarized, or really obnoxious messages after the essay is delivered asking me why I didn't "use any quotation marks" in references from my sources because the customer doesn't even understand that you don't "quote" unless you actually use the words of the source. Sometimes, I also get obnoxious messages like "I asked for 5 sentences per paragraph and one paragraph only had 4" to which I just respond "You're welcome for your essay." Otherwise, I answer most questions before and after the essay is delivered.

I've never seen the panel from the customer's end, but just to clarify, you don't necessarily get a message from the writer unless he/she has a question or needs to contact you. I don't know that you get an automatic confirmation that your order has been taken by a writer but I know that you don't always get messages from your writer unless there's some specific reason to contact you.

Says the idiot who just joined this forum where this same argument's been going on for at least 2 years.

It's much simpler than the ESL defenders make it out. If no American reading your writing would ever even suspect that it might not have been written by a native speaker, there's no issue and nobody really cares where you're from or where and when you learned English. The fact of the matter is that most of the people defending ESLs who don't think they need to disclose that they're non-natives before they take money for writing for U.S. customers can't even write an Internet forum post, let alone a thesis, without sounding obviously like an ESL to any native English speaker.

Some of you are just totally delusional about this: I couldn't even imagine writing or speaking in Chinese and then arguing with a native Chinese speaker who told me that my Chinese was "good for an American" but that it was still obviously CSL to any native Chinese speaker.

Customers only care because there's usually a huge difference and that's why you ESLs need to just be honest about it instead of telling people that you're an American located in the U.S. They may even still choose to use you if you give them a good price, but they have a right to know in advance.

I can't speak for anybody else, but I had to send them my resume and proof of my undergraduate History and Psychology degrees and my Law degree when I was first hired by them in 2003.

You need to understand that the way all essay companies work is that they just post available orders on a virtual bulletin board from which all writers can take any available order. Some companies may give only certain writers access to some papers, but I'm not aware of any company that actually "assigns" orders to writers and I'd never work for one that did. Sometimes, they may contact us privately to ask us to take a particularly hard essay in our specialty areas at a bonus, but more generally, the companies are not actively involved in matching up writers to specific orders.

On the other hand, all reputable companies do want your feedback to help them identify bad writers, especially now when the economy has forced so many more people to try earning a living this way. Plenty of people with great resumes and academic credentials and essay samples don't necessarily make good professional essay writers day in and day out. Reputable companies fire writers who don't satisfy their customers, but they can't necessarily know that every writer they hire will work out beforehand.

Hope that helps understanding how this whole thing works.

I'm sorry to hear about that too. I do try to do my share of low-value papers but, as Pheelyks said, we just can't afford to take every request, especially for long-deadline/low-value papers that pay us about half what we make on urgent papers and on papers we do privately.

Once we decide to let a paper go public, any other writer can take it. There are also always going to be differences in quality among writers at every essay company. If you don't want to risk an unknown writer, you can request a specific writer and also include a statement in your order that you will not accept any other writer and wish to be refunded if the requested writer declines. In my case, I'll even send you a message telling you that I won't be able to do it. The paper won't be taken by anybody else and if it is, you'll be entitled to a refund through your cc company.

If you're an existing company customer or someone who's already decided to try the company instead of a freelance writer, you can contact me first via PMs here to find out if it's a paper I'll take from the company board before you place it. To be honest, chances are pretty low that I'd take many low-value papers, (especially from anybody who isn't actually already a company customer), but you can ask.

I'm sorry that I can't take every request and I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with one writer at the company and urge you to make your feelings known to administration so that they know which new writers to get rid of instead of letting unqualified writers ruin the company's reputation. There are limits to how well they can weed out people by resumes and writing samples; sometimes, writers may get hired who really shouldn't have been. That's also equally true of every legitimate writing company. At least at all the companies that use Pheelyks and me, they actually do provide the service they advertise and they always refund orders that don't get taken. Much of their competition does neither of those things.


Yes, I saw that and wondered what other literature paper I did that generated that request because I do some literature but not much. That's one I declined immediately without even wasting the time it takes for them to go public on their own because it's totally out of my areas. I appreciate the request nevertheless and am sorry someone else wrote you a lousy paper.


That's an understandable assumption but it's wrong. You have to understand that those of us who do this fulltime write almost all of our papers (unless they're well over 10 pages) in a single sitting. If we take a paper due in 5 days, we'll probably still end up writing it the day it's due. So, we're always much more likely to grab rush papers since we're going to spend the same 3 or 4 or 8 hours writing them in one sitting anyway.

When you select the longest option, you pay the least but you also greatly increase the chances that your order will be taken by a less experienced writer who can't do what we do and who is intimidated by rush paper orders asking for 5 or 10 pages in less than 12 hours. The best writers make their living mainly on those and just don't have that much time to spend on papers that pay out half as much per page.

If you want to reduce the pool of writers competing to take your paper and greatly increase the chance that the writer who takes it is one of a company's better and more experienced writers, you should select the rush option even if it's not due on your end for a week. That's the only way you can really "request" better writers in general other than requesting someone specific .

I get quite a few requests on the company boards from satisfied customers (and so do some other writers) and I've had more than a dozen private clients use me for their entire academic careers through 4 years of college or 2-3 years of graduate school. They all apparently think it's worth it. It's only a risk until you find a company you can trust and a specific writer whose work you like; after that, there's no longer any risk.

It's a secure website that nobody can access without a password. But if you use a school's computer or network connection, they could determine who went to what websites no matter what you delete on your end, same as any business computer or network connection. They still can't acess your account without a password, but they would know what websites you accessed on their system (in general) if they had some reason to check.

I wouldn't take my Ford to a Ford mechanic either if he didn't really know how to use a wrench very well or if he admitted that his car repair skills "need improvement."

As Pheelyks suggested, you can't identify the bad grammar in your own writing even when you're specifically trying to show people that you can. Nobody's talking about "commas" or accidental double words (which I deleted for you in this example) or about careless typos attributable to writing quickly on a forum. You don't even know when to use singular or plural and you've demonstrated that in all of your previous posts as well. Thats a freshman writing issue, Buddy. Nobody wants to pay good money for you to make the same basic writing mistakes that he could make himself without paying anybody for it.


Actually, you're arguing with (at least) two people here who are exactly that guy. We're just trying to tell you that you've inserted yourself into a league of those guys and the more you continue arguing with us about writing for a living, the more stupid you're going to prove you are. Nobody wants to pay good money for your freshman-level writing, Buddy.


You suggested that the fact that I haven't done any work on Elance somehow means that my writing might need improvement. That's a very stupid argument, much like saying that someone with an ebay account he's never used must be dishonest because he has zero feedback. My comments weren't really about Elance and I'm sure there's plenty of work there that suits some people, just not me. I was just responding to the idiocy of your argument that equates not taking work on a particular site with being a bad writer.

It doesn't. Admitting that your writing "needs improvement" makes you a bad writer, or at least too bad to offer professional writing services. That's you, Buddy.


Hey, we're all good at something.

A. You're the one who said that your writing needs work, not me. I mean, it's obvious that it does because even your forum posts have glaring grammar and punctuation problems, but the point is simply that you have no business offering professional services of any kind while you're still an amateur at it. Perfect your skills first and then start charging people money for your work. That's not a "lecture"; it's an observation that really ought to be fairly obvious to anybody. Would you take your car to a mechanic who said that he still needed some improvement on his car repair skills but was willing to try fixing your car? No? Well, that's probably exactly how most essay-writing customers feel about amateurs whose writing "needs improvement" by their own admission.

B. As Pheelyks said, I've never bid on a single Elance project because they all pay only a small fraction of what I get paid on the cheapest work that I ever do. I signed up to see what kind of work was available after hearing about the site on this forum and as another way of letting clients find me on their own. Your equating that somehow with a measure of the quality of my writing illustrates that needing improvement in your technical writing skill is not your only obstacle to writing for a living: you're not very bright either. Buddy.

That's why you shouldn't ever present yourself as a professional writer for hire. Nobody's interested in paying good money for work from someone whose writing still needs improvement, by his own admission.

That's all I was trying to tell you: any order from them that isn't taken by a writer automatically gets refunded 100%; it just takes a billing cycle or two. And, unlike some other sites whose customers have taken their complaints public on here, the fact that you got your refund has absolutely nothing to do with that, either. It's standard operating procedure for every untaken order at every essay site I work for.

Sorry, EW, let me translate for you and the rest of the sub 90-IQ crowd:

We're never rude to customers in the context of our professional relationship. This is an open forum that is totally outside of the context of any professional relationship on the company system. This guy came onto a public forum talking trash about and questioning the integrity of a company that did absolutely nothing wrong to him. I'm not rude to any private clients either, but if one of them came on here and trashed me, that would result in the same kind of response. So far, I've only had to do that once and that was a prospective client who managed to make a complete obnoxious idiot of himself just in the process of the initial project inquiry and then lied and said that he rejected my services, so I just posted his emails and my responses.

I'm not the writer who said he considered taking the order. I never even saw it. Don't flatter yourself though: nothing that you wrote in "less than an hour" is "too complicated" for me.

Apology to WB: I thought that was the OP who quoted me, not you. Sorry about that.

Thanks. Now I have to add a signature to all my posts letting people know you and I are not the same person.

You completely misunderstood what I meant (what a shock): I meant the more obnoxious your tone in emails to a company the less anybody will jump to respond. I wasn't referring to your tone on this forum.

We never get papers "assigned" to us; we have an assignment board that lists available orders and we take any that we want to write.

You win the contest for the most illogical conclusions capable of being crammed into a single paragraph. The company isn't on "hiatus" or "vacation." You probably just placed an order that no writer ever took. Those always get refunded 100% but it takes a billing cycle or two from what I understand. I have no idea why nobody has gotten back to you but they may just not have time to respond to your "where's my paper?" demand for an order that's still just sitting on the board untaken and that will eventually just get refunded automatically by the system. I'd imagine the more obnoxious your tone the less anybody will jump to respond, but that's purely conjecture on my part and might be why I'd never be able to do customer service. Try asking the same question without all the nonsense, pejorative conclusions, and accusations and you'll also probably get a more understanding response on here from anybody who happens to write for them.

In my case, there's not really a direct correlation between "effort" and quality; in fact, they may actually be related inversely. Some of the best quality papers I write are those that aren't difficult for me because I know the subject matter well enough to write them without any research and just provide appropriate references where the stuff that needs referencing can be found. Conversely, some of the hardest stuff for me to write that requires the most "effort" involves topics that I can do well enough if it's worth the payment but that require me to do a lot of research or to learn about something just to write the paper.

When you're a student, there's more comfort in relying on "sources"; but when you do this for a living, the easiest and most pleasant work are the papers you can just sit down and write and they usually are our best work. It takes me much longer to rely heavily on sources and it requires a lot more "effort" but that doesn't necessarily mean the paper will be any better than those that are the easiest for me to write.

I also explained to Alias privately that it's not a topic likely to be taken by a writer without the right background to do it properly.

Don't bother them with questions about why payment is in advance. That's standard in the industry. At least with us, you'll really get your essay or a full refund if nobody can do it properly.

On the topic of leaving time for rewrites: It's actually much more important for you to explain what you need accurately and fully initially. We (writers) have to do rewrites anytime we screw up or don't follow your order specs. However, the vast majority of rewrite requests are cases where (1) the customer realizes only after the fact what he/she left out of the initial order, or (2) the customer likes the work but asks for some editorial changes that were never in the original order.

These essays aren't an ongoing collaborative project where the writer works back and forth with the customer after the work is already written as per the order specs. If we screw something up, you always get a rewrite; but if you just realize after the fact that you'd prefer more or less focus on some particular part of the essay, you'll get a polite response that we don't do rewrites for that kind of thing. It's no different from ordering food in a restaurant: If you ask for rare and you get well-done, you get a new steak. If you just ask for a "steak" and it comes back beautifully cooked but medium, you don't have a right to expect to get a new rare steak, much less chicken, because you realized after the steak arrived that you need to lose a little weight and should have ordered something leaner than the steak in the first place.

I believe they only do that for foreign orders and/or if they have any concerns about a charge being legit. It's strictly because there have been instances of stolen credit cards being used to place orders and things like that. Ordinarily, they don't ask for all of that from U.S. customers.

What was the topic?

With some companies you have to just type out your request as the first line of the order description; with others you have a dropdown menu list of writers with all of our names. The first works on the honor system and other writers are supposed to respect the request for a certain time before taking a request for another writer; the second only displays the order to the requested writer for a few hours before it goes public. Please keep in mind that we may not necessarily be able to take every request but we do try to fit them all in if you take the trouble to request us because we appreciate it. Thanks for asking.

Just test him with the sentence above; unless he can find at least 4 glaring mistakes, he can't.

Apparently, you're a lot more stupid than I thought. You don't understand the fundamental difference between a complaint about the supposed quality of one essay according to one customer and companies that exist to take money without intending to provide any essays or that routinely provide such cobbled together nonsense that they never get any return customers. There was no double speak; you just have half a brain.

As I already tried to explain, I've never said anything negative about any company because I don't know anything about any company I haven't worked for. You obviously have absolutely no interest in having any kind of "honest discussion" and you either don't read or don't understand anything I've already said. Anybody else reading this should have no problem figuring out which one of us is being honest and which one of us has an agenda to trash a reputable essay company.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that the exchange you posted is genuine and let's even assume for the sake of argument that the customer's characterization is accurate and objective, (and that's a huge assumption, by the way).

Every company scews up an order now and then, pretty much the same way surgeons sometimes hack off the wrong leg negligently. In the case of the surgeon, it's not a "scam" if he's a licensed surgeon complying with everything regulatory. It's a fraudulent scam if he's not really a doctor or purposely operating needlessly (etc). Same goes for essay companies: a writer may not work out because customers complain, or he may get fired for plagiarism, or a good writer bites off more than he can chew and writes a lousy paper. It happens; but it's not a "scam" if the company fills all the orders it can and well enough that it gets a huge number of returning customers, always refunds any order that doesn't get taken, and requires writers to do rewrites if they screw up.

We always have to do rewrites if we're the ones who screw up a paper, but keep in mind that we also get incredibly silly requests for rewrites and those customers don't realize they're silly. I once wrote a paper that was ordered as the topic "Write a 4-pg essay on U.S. Policing and Terrorism." Rewrite request said "I meant U.S. Policing OR Terrorism...this paper is supposed to be about U.S. Police Organizations or about Terrorism...you wrote about what police agencies do about terrorism...I need a rewrite immediately...I choose Terrorism." I declined, the company backed me, and the customer went off screaming that he got "ripped off" and would never use us again. Actually, that kind of thing happens way more often than a writer completely blowing a paper.

I don't know what happened with that order but if you're going to argue the point and claim that the company is "fraudulent" in any way because of that or even that the exchange you posted is representative of their product quality, virtually everybody here will know that you're either (1) here for the express purpose of trying to badmouth a competitor by fraudulently libeling them, or (2) incredibly unintelligent.

So, do you understand that what you posted has nothing even remotely to with "scams" or are you going to defend the position that what you posted is evidence of a "scam"?

I really have nothing to gain by defending them here and if I worked for a shady company, I'd never have openly admitted what companies I work for on this forum, much less use my company ID as my forum ID. I'd probably have used a totally anonymous ID here and just never mentioned what companies I write for.

Furthermore, I've never criticized any other essay company on this forum and I've explained many times that I know absolutely nothing about any companies that I've never worked for other than whatever I've read about them here. I don't even comment on other companies because I have no basis for any opinion about them.

I'm sure that all essay companies (and automotive dealers and carpeting companies) that serve thousands of customers annually have some complaints. But you're suggesting that Research is a scam company, which I happen to know from 7+ years experience with them is an absolutely ridiculous accusation and has nothing to do with my not being their only writer. I can't necessarily vouch for the work of all of their other 200+ writers, but I can definitely refute any nonsense accusations like yours about the company being anything but legitimate and honest in general. In this industry, that's the most important distinction between companies and it doesn't necessarily mean that no legitimate company has ever had a single dissatisfied customer or that all of their writers are equally qualified.

I write for about a dozen different companies but I was talking specifically about the nonsense he posted about Research.

It's actually extremely easy to prove: Just place a 1-pg test order and request Pheelyks or me as your writer and see what happens. You'll get a good paper on or before the specified due date. Both of us write about 100 papers a month for them, in my case, since 2003. If you don't think that's a fair test, just place any order you want anytime and don't request us. If you don't get your paper, just prove it by posting a screen shot of your order page here and/or provide the order #.

Customers, welcome to the Bizarro World of this forum's new resident troll whose rantings are ignored by every legitimate member of this forum. He's been here for only a month but has spammed the board with almost 200 nonsense posts in that time. Legitimate regular-but-non-troll forum members here typically don't post that much in an entire year and don't have close to 0% positive responses from other members.

There are essay writing companies that do not deceive customers or exploit writers and both Pheelyks and I work for several of them. We work very hard to do good work for our clients (many of whom request us repeatedly after getting their first work from us), and we're very fairly treated and compensated by those companies. If you just use this forum's search functions and/or go through our previous thread posts, you should have no problem identifying a few totally legitimate companies and non-lunatic forum members.

It's just an observation, not a statement of concern. As far as contributing "productively" to this board, I have about 450 posts on this forum in about 2.5 years and the vast majority of them are helpful advice to students hoping to find information here about how not to get ripped off, which happens to be the main purpose of this forum.

You, on the other hand, have 163 posts in ONE MONTH since you joined and virtually 100% of those repetitive posts have been derided as complete idiocy by some of the most respected members on this board. That hasn't even caused you to consider that nobody here considers your "contribution" to be anything more than amusement and evidence of apparent mental deficiency, instability, or both. You haven't responded directly to any of the intelligent challenges or questions about your position either and you've just continually fillibustered with more nonsense instead.

By all means, continue "contributing."

Jesus Christ. I can't believe this thread is still going and that anybody's still trying to reason with this clown. He deserves the all-time award for biggest forum troll on the Internet.

That's true. If I don't think I can promise to meet a specific level on a particular topic, I won't take it on and I'm more likely to err on the safe side with UK standards in general.

Your insight is as useful as always.

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