Struggling, if you don't work for anyone and don't use anyone's services, why are you on this board? I'm sorry, but it seems really odd that a police officer would just wander through cyberspace to find this site and then post a long series of posts that essentially defend a company that has been a subject of writer and customer complaint.

It's probably good to think of it as a learning experience.

I was ripped off once by a client and he was in Singapore which left me to eventually write it off as a learning experience. Work for folks in your own country; it's really the only way to be sure you'll have legal recourse to be paid. I've never had problems being paid by employers based in my own country.

The quality of the work will depend on the writer that you get.

My guess is that kesegui and jcd had different writers, which explains the difference in quality.

clearly being polite to you was a mistake on my part rosie. don't worry, i won't do that again.

how about this? hey moron, the rules of the board say no recommendations.

but this line is funny


yes, i believe you.

rosie, it is possible that you are posting in earnest, but given that we just outted another "client" of essaybay as an actual writer for the company, please understand that its hard to take your words at face value.

given that you've seem to skip over the fact that essaybay didn't treat its writers very well, your post seems even more fishy.

this isn't a board for recommendations. people who believe posted recommendations are, frankly, very gullible.

jacky, if all you are looking for is ideas, i don't know why you'd bother to pay for the cheap, ready made essays anyway. there are plenty of free sites and discussion points to help give ideas, whether you look on the net, in electronic databases, or books.

that's all crazy boredwiththis. atleast you got your money back. thank you for sharing the experience.

Jennifer, I'll explain again since it appears to be going over your head.
On Feb 7, 08, 04:06AM, you admitted that you were still paying people.


Hence, months after the problem began, you had not yet paid all of the writers, demonstrating your administrative ineptitude.

Then I posted a few hours later, reiterating the fact that, months after the start of all this, some of the writers continued to be unpaid. My post from Feb 7, 08, 01:42PM (THAT SAME DAY) stated that:


So, my post was 100% accurage according to your own admission. Even if you did manage to finish paying everyone on February 7th, that doesn't make my post incorrect or false. If we are to believe you, which I'm not sure why we would, you finally finished paying everyone at some late time on the 7th, months after the mess began.

Seriously, if your writing and comprehension skills are this poor, no wonder the writers "working" (and I use that term lightly, b/c two month payment delays constitute something closer to manipulation than work) for Essaybay became frustrated.

Jennifer,

Excellent attempt to manipulate the discussion. i love how you try to ignore your past comments. this is particularly funny:


b/c you said so. here:


it's simple reading comprehension... if you are still working through paying people... that means that they aren't all paid yet! duh?

Jennifer, you are full of hot air. You posted yourself that the writers who got carried over from your other companies did not have to pay for verification because the process of verifying them was less time consuming. You further noted that the only verified authors are those who were verified for free.



Explain why individually verifying your older writers would take less time than individually verifying the new writers if the process for verifying both is just as extensive. As you yourself stated, it is NOT as time consuming.

If there are no significant differences between the verification of your new writers and the old writers, you certainly muddled that point with your explanation.

And my post stands. Requiring only the new writers to pay $100.00 for verification for zero work is a scam preying upon young writers who are new to the industry and don't know any better. And that's exactly what this board is for - letting new clients and new writers know that they shouldn't have to settle for scams. It took over 2 months for you to fix the paypal issues and even as of today, people aren't all paid... ya, that's a company that we all want to work for!

BTW, there are lots of interesting threads by writers explaining that Deveraux and Deloitte have refused to pay writers in the past as well. Funny you didn't comment about that. You can't really claim to have all this incredible business experience in the industry when your parent companies have had the same problems you've had. Some of us would think that you'd actually learning something in those earlier businesses, shocking I know.

@ew

correct, i have never experienced payment delays from the companies that I work for. i complete a fairly high volume of work for three different companies. each has consistently paid me on time, every week (or 2 weeks, as the case may be).

i'm really not trying to pick a fight with you. if folks like you and Margie want to keep working for EW knowing that they have periodic problems with payment, then fine, that's your choice. But you and Margie (for example) write posts that seem to suggest that the only reason that payment is denied or delayed by EW is because the writers are at fault. we both know that is not the case. to suggest that every writer who posts on this board complaining of non-payment is guilty of plagiarism or some other infraction is pretty unfair.

EW experiences periodic, company wide delays in payment that occur atleast 2x per year, if not more. that's not very reasonable. why would a company need to periodically (every six months?) need to change its bank? if EW only had this happen once, then fine, but that's not the case with EW. and can you honestly say to me that you don't think that there will be another round of non-payment in the foreseeable future?

individuals thinking about writing for EW should know what to expect. even writers who do everything right should expect some non-payment or delays on payment if they choose to work for EW.

i didn't insinuate that EW doesn't pay you regularly. you yourself said that they have missed payments, as your quotes above explain. why do you try to pretend that didn't happen?


you getting paid on time this week doesn't erase the fact that you've experienced protracted delays in payment in the past. were you incompetent in December? in June? what did you do to cause them to not pay you on time?

as a student, I would expect you to be more wary of frauds.

Shah57 has posted on this bored pretending to be a client in order to draw people to patronize essaybay, a company where Shah57 is registered as a writer. that's all undeniable.

how many people actually believed Shah57 and tried essaybay b/c of Shah57's recommendation? hopefully, not many. however, even one person getting defrauded is a shame.

i would think that your relatives and friends who are writers would not appreciate Shah57's false advertisements either. this kind of manipulation makes everyone in the industry look bad. and it helps companies that treat their writers very poorly survive.

you've taken it upon yourself to campaign against Peter Richardson and that's good, but according to a lot of writers, on this board and others, essaybay and its subsidiaries treat their writers very poorly, ie not paying them on time or at all. if you really care about writers, you shouldn't post to defend Shah57 either.

i'm not even sure why you'd believe Shah57 about being cheated by Peter Richardson. I suppose it's possible, but when Shah57 can't even keep the story about that consistent, you have to wonder...

i have two degrees from an Ivy League school. i wouldn't pay $100.00 for verification. paying $100.00 when no work is guaranteed is just plain dumb, particularly when verifying where someone went to school takes no effort. someone can type my real name into Google and see where I attended as an undergrad- and i graduated almost a decade ago. it's pretty darn easy to find out where someone graduated in other ways too - HR departments have been doing it for years.

i'm sorry but essaybay's verification is a scam asking for victims. as jennifer from essaybay said, the only verified writers are their inhouse writers who got carried over from other companies and didn't have to pay the $100.00. their qualifications aren't even verified, they are just a known to the company, which essaybay seems to think is enough.

no one qualified is willing to pay to be verified nor should they.

tarangita, i think some issues are getting lost in the translation for you. shah57 hasn't attempted to "justify" him/herself. shah47 didn't simply make a "complaint" but an "endorsement" that was purely motivated by personal gain. this is not a board for people to pretend to be clients to try to drum up business. are you a writer?

boredwiththis, that sounds like a great resolution. good luck. i hope it all works out tomorrow.

i've never worked for essaybay. i think i might have tried them if so many other writers hadn't reported problems with getting paid. lots of early negative feedback about them combined with their affiliation with a collection of writing companies that have a history of mistreating their writers directs wisdom toward the direction marked "avoidance."

you, on the other hand, work for them AND pretended to be a customer so that you could promote them through this website.

seriously, why are you still posting? no one is going to trust your "recommendations."

this is a board for exposing frauds and sadly, you have your dangly bits floating in the breeze.

but back on target: boredwiththis, did the problem ever get worked out?

What's proven is you've claimed to be a client for essaybay in order to endorse them while being clearly listed as a writer, something that you didn't disclose.

go away.

damn julie we agree on something, it must be an omen of scary things =)

it's nice that you can wait to make your big purchases for the times that EW actually pays it's writers.

it's sad, however, that you feel the need to post gloating about receiving a paycheck and buying a notebook, particularly on a site that discusses writers being taken by frauds.

grats on getting paid?

Just think, you could have bought that laptop last month if they'd paid you on time! =D

Trouble with counting too shah57?



is anything that you type true or do you just eventually contradict everything?

administrative predicament... euphemism for incompetent managers?

so explain last month. what about all the writers who didn't get paid in December and had to wait until january to get paid? and all the writers who had the same thing happen a few months earlier.

they weren't guilty of plagiarism or any other problem on their end. they just worked for ew and didn't get paid b/c of the company's periodic issues.

were you part of the big group of writers who didn't get paid in December R.V.? Because if you weren't, well, it seems unlikely then that you are just a writer for EW.


how exactly do you define authentic and genuine? a company that blasts ESL writers publicly while hiring them privately?

bestessays.com

"They don't use native English speakers!
Nowadays many essay writing companies are either from Asian or African countries or just outsource writers from there. They can pay dirt-cheap wages and thus, they can lower their prices to $9-10 a page or even lower to attract more customers. Don't be fooled! Their papers are written by Filipinos, Pakistanis, Indians, and Nigerian, who can (somewhat) speak English. That's why you should think twice before ordering from the cheapest providers! The quality will be the cheapest too!"

yah... those comments show "genuineness."

essaybay is refusing to pay some of its writers.

https://essayscam.org/forum/es/essaybay-think-365/

it's probably not wise to patronize them.

i'm not sure how trustworthy shah is either, to be frank. shah57 has posted claiming to be a writer scammed by Peter Richardson and is now claiming to be a customer of essaybay.


i suppose one could theoretically be both a writer and a customer, but that seems silly. so shah57 do you write for essaybay or what?

haha, busted.

so, I decided to go to Essaybay and searched through their list of writers. look who I found:

essaybay/view_profile.php?id=52
"This profile contains information about the Writer shah57

Username shah57
Rating (Click on rating to view feedback)
Member Since 16 August 2007
University Studied At: Yale University
Qualification Masters

shah57 is not a verified writer - this means that EssayBay has not checked their identity, address and qualifications. We suggest you review their feedback carefully before choosing them for your project"

Not verified is damn right, since Shah57 has been trying to pimp the site here by claiming to be a customer:

How about the truth, that you starting WORKING for essaybay a few months ago. Nice try lying about going to Yale too. You're not even smart enough to change your alias. Pathetic, really. Go away.

Just goes to show why folks should not ask for recommendations or trust the recommendations that are given.

I think that is a good general rule. multiple sites seem like a way for a fraudulent company to keep attracting consumers even when one of its sites is being exposed as a fraud.

however, from what i've read, there are some cases where more than one page seems reasonable. for example, some companies have sites in different languages. i've seen a lot of people ask if korepetytce.com (something like that, i'm not looking up the exact address) is legit and then see that it's just the polish version of an essay writing company based in the US - exact same site, just in polish. i've also noticed some companies offer less expensive, lower grade level alternatives through secondary sites that are somewhat distinct from their main site. however, when they do, it's still clear that the less expensive site is linked to the main site.

it's when the same company owns multiple sites that apparently compete against each other that you have to wonder what is up...

@ jackpot - well, their sample essays are atrocious, and if they represent the best of the company, well... some of the sample first sentences from their posted sample essays:

"In the October of 1929th the economics of the US experienced a deep economic crisis, lately it was recognized as the first-rate in the history."

"Immigration in the modern conception means movement of people from one nation-state to another, where they are not citizens and thus they do not have the same rights and privileges as citizens do but for some reasons they feel better and more comfortable in a foreign country."

"AIDS or Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome strides confidently on the planet and scientists make their best efforts to stop it but all the attempts gave no significant results still."

"Word "pr0nography" originates from Greek 'pr0nographia' and implies representing of human body and human sexual activities with the purpose to provide sexual arousal.

Pr0nography or simply pr0n became ordinary social phenomena nowadays."

All written by someone with a poor grasp of the English language (but the p0rno line was funny, I'll admit).

five days late? that's not good. sometimes writers do flake out but their support team should have been faster to respond. you should seriously consider hiring someone else and getting your money back. i hope that the new deadline isn't so close to your own deadline that you run out of time.

i don't think that there are any more complaints lately than usual. one would expect, given the nature of this board, that we would see a disproportionate number of consumers discussing their decision to pass a purchased paper as their own. after all, an individual who does not turn in their paper, and instead reworks it, would be far less likely to find out if a paper was plagiarized or to visit this board.

thinking that you probably meant essayrelief.com?

2600$ unpaid? damn... =(

johnny, if you're oh so subtlely referring to me, i sent you a list of the companies that I worked for in 2007 through this site's private messaging service yesterday. but i honestly don't think you need my or anyone else's recommendations. no one told me who to work for, i figured it out on my own. besides, why should i recommend the companies that I work for publicly? that would essentially draw more writers to the company that will compete with me for work.

however, i still don't understand why, when there are hundreds of different sites out there, you or anyone else would choose to apply to one that is known for not paying on time instead of one of the companies that receive praise through boards like this one (there aren't many recommendations, but if you look, you'll figure out which companies are generally considered favorably by clients and writers alike). if these companies that clearly don't treat their writers well continue to get new applicants despite the posting of these warnings and frauds, then there is really no point to forums like this one. i guess i'm just tired of seeing all the "i didn't get paid threads." when there is so much warning about these frauds, it's really hard to keep feeling sorry for folks not getting paid.

or choose to not suffer.

i don't understand the EW allure. Essaybay gets exposed for not paying its writers and very quickly several writers are declaring their intent to never write for them again. however, EW gets a thread about witholding payments every couple of months and people still continue to work for them (and even recommend them to other writers).

i sympathize with writers not getting paid, particularly the latest round of non-payment that occured at the holidays. that's a horrible way to run a business. i have a mortgage and a car payment and I bet most writers are in a similar boat with financial responsibilities that won't go away if an employer decides to not pay.

for you to write this:


when you know perfectly well that they don't pay on time and have a tendency to withold payments for weeks at a time for no good reason is irresponsible at best. just a couple of weeks ago, you were writing this:

Dec. 16th:


Dec. 20th:


Dec. 24th:


Dec. 25th:


Dec. 28th:


Jan 2nd:


you finally got paid on january 3rd, right? did you plagiarize to cause the delay of payment?

for folks asking if EW is a good company to work for, the answer is not really. if you choose to work for them, understand that there is a good chance that sometime in the near future you're going to start getting excuses about why you can't or won't be paid for the work that you have completed.

Caveat Scriptor.

riight... EW is the most complained about company from a writer's perspective on this forum. i find it really hard to believe that everyone who has posted complaining about them plagiarized. if you choose to write for them despite all the posts, don't come whining here when they decide to start holding payments again.

if a writer really plagiarizes, then the company should fire the writer. the act of plagiarism is very serious from the company's perspective. i could see a writer unintentionally plagiarizing by accident and the company maybe giving the writer another chance, but more than twice warrants termination.

fining the writer and then allowing the writer to write again, then continuing to fine the writer for other supposed instances of plagiarism, is just a scam by the company to take the writer's wages.

um, congrats for getting paid?

how long til the next round of complaints about EW failing to pay its writers? two months? three? why don't these posts about EW paying on time this pay period just serve as the exception that proves the rule?

i think the same thing about EW writers too. i don't get it either. these companies get thread after thread of folks talking about being cheated, poorly treated, etc. and then it all happens again in a month. until a sizeable amount of writers increase their standards, these frauds are going to continue to exist.

hey julie - i meant EFL as English as a First Language, compared to English as a Second Language (ESL). I remember you're from the UK =) sorry if I was unclear.

ew - thank you.

oh, bs. i never said that. i have said that for all writers, ESL or EFL, it's a good idea for anyone to write for companies based in their own countries b/c it ensures that writers being cheated have a legal response to lack of payment. it's advice that i myself follow and that doesn't make me anti-EFL, does it? i don't know what nation you're from and i don't know the state of your domestic market, nor do i really care. of course, given that an increasing number of essay companies are reaching out to markets outside of the US and the UK, unless you speak more particularly about a nation, I think that the trend is moving toward a larger market in other nations as well. but then, that is just speculation at this point.

i've also said that writers shouldn't lie to their customers and that's applied equally to EFL and ESL writers. and i do want all writers, EFL and ESL, to stop working for crappy companies that don't treat their writers appropriately b/c doing so would improve working conditions for everyone, but that's just the optimist in me.

and i've actually said complimentary things about ESL writers. things like


and this


and i have also attacked fraudulent companies b/c i honestly believe that they hurt the reputation and image of ESL writers, which i explained when i wrote this:


all of those quotes are pro-ESL writer.

i think i've disagreed strongly with four people on this forum, period - you, julie (an EFL writer) and those two sexist morons whose names and countries of origin aren't worth remembering. that doesn't make me anti-ESL. i'm not antagonistic against ESL writers, as this thread demonstrates, and you saying that i am is just obnoxious and untrue.

at: johnny

i didn't mean to ignore your request. I don't disclose the companies that I work for because I don't want to be accused of marketing or recruiting for them. i will say this. in 2007, i received payment from 4 different companies: 3 based in the US and one based in Central Asia (Pakistan, I think- i don't plan to write for them long term b/c they don't pay enough per page but i did write for them for a couple of pay periods in order to see if they were a fraudulent business). none of these four companies was late paying me, not even once. there are legit companies out there, unfortunately, they are sometimes hard to find.

just b/c i've disagreed with you in the past does not mean that i'm antagonistic against all ESL writers. this is a rude statement cloaked as a compliment.

i am sorry about your friend. this sentence is particularly important. writers need to stop writing for just one company. if writers stopped being blindly loyal to one company, they could open up their earning opportunities and also pressure companies to maintain higher standards by making it clear that if the writer isn't treated well, then he/she will just go elsewhere.