ESL/EFL vs. Native-Writers debate

No. You control Meokhan like your kid from the comfort of your dungeon.


Like your fake attitude towards meokhan because you know his English 'skills' are abominable and don't pose any real threats to your operations.

And you want to control all the visitors to this forum in your favor because you're a competitor in the essay writing industry and lately you're losing business. Everyone knows that.

"because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, doggone it, put the lotion in the ******* basket."

Care to provide evidence, hazy airhead?
You are a sad, cretinous, insouciant and ignoble character. Want evidence? Your +8000 posts eloquently and emphatically prove my assertion.


stfu, i challenged you to explain why you were concealing an established fraud(WRT).............

Hey, Rusty, your completely sane and rational pal is here to support you! Have you taken the time to identify the very short list of people who are "on your side"? It's quite telling.

Queen Kenya, I am no more responsible for WRT's recent actions than I am for anyone else in the world who publicly supports my positions but screws up behind closed doors. All I know about WRT is what she has posted in this forum. Freelancewriter brought the "lack of payment" matters to my attention. He asked me for help with his WRT problem LONG before he went public in this forum. I provided all the help and information that I could.

Please do everyone a favor by keeping your false, clueless accusations to yourself.

Good reply, WB: Now you are getting right into the trap. First, you support everyone blindly for as long as s/he claims to disclose his location and operations AND supports whatever you spew out here........You must be really gullible taking whatever anyone says here at face value. I guess i had overestimated your skills


And you wanted everyone to believe all the filthy garbage she was posting here? ............i get it, for as long as anyone joins this forum and supports you, s/he becomes legitimate/////

i now understand why pheelyks risks his a.s.s defending you when i am mercilessly whipping him with issues......
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Right. Ya got me!


Wrong. I do not "blindly" support anyone. Years ago, I verified WRT's incorporation documents. I also personally viewed her PASSPORT, which she VOLUNTARILY POSTED in this forum. Those were the actions of a person who had nothing to hide. Now, if her personal circumstances recently changed or she just flat-out screwed up with her debts, that was beyond my knowledge UNTIL someone-like freelancewriter-brought it to my attention.


Can you please provide examples of the verifiably "filthy garbage" that I allegedly supported? (I'm sure that you will have no problem doing so.)

it seems to me that history is repeating itself with Meo... although I think it's a different kind of "online relationship" this time around.

WB-- as to who is on whose side, as usual, I'll leave it up to you to keep a careful, detailed count. haha. I really got you with that bipolar diagnosis, didn't I?

You mean now you and your sister Queen Sheba opposing me? If so, I don't mind because I respect you both for tying a blood relation on an online forum only to offer in vain opposition for opposition's sake.

Are you? I hadn't noticed.

Recalling who supports you takes no effort at all. The only reason why I remember is because they are blubbering, fraudulent, lying, ESL idiots who make me laugh.

Again, you really need to seek help for your debilitating obsession with your own psycho-social phobias. You can't even help yourself from mentioning it in your posts. You're truly sick.

WB-- as far as I remember, "psycho-social phobias" isn't a DSM-IV category. am I missing something?

Hey, you tell me-I'm not the one with the disturbing obsession. Thanks for proving my point.

don't be dense, WB. I'm not proving anything, remember? I don't think you should pretend to diagnose people without knowing what you're talking about, though, so I will tell you that "psycho-social phobias" is, in my opinion, just some random BS combination of pop psychology terms that you have echoing around in your warped, cavernous dome-piece. that is, it's not a legitimate category.

"schizoaffective disorders--" now that's a category.

How so very innocent!

You are exactly right. Again, you are the one obsessed with psychological bulls-i*. I'm sure that you have all of the correct terminology down pat, given all your personal experience with nuttiness. In case you haven't noticed by now, I am MAKING FUN OF YOU.

no, I just know about it. I'm glad to see you can admit it when you're full of **** about something, anyway.

Wow, you sure are thick-headed. NEWSFLASH: I was mocking you.

well, I'm serious. now, if one of your throng of friends and admirers should ask, you can tell them that bipolar is a schizoaffective disorder.

English is known as a living, breathing, and constantly evolving language. The UK have a specific type of spoken and written English that should never be confused with the American English language. Every country also has their own version of the English language that they deem acceptable in their own way. However, these countries also acknowledge that, if a paper is being written for the UK or US educational system, then the English grammar rules, as it applies to the specific country, applies to the written development of the paper. That is the only thing that ESL, EFL, and ENL writers need to know and apply in their writing.

@Cite: Being familiar with English as it is authentically spoken/written is an integral foundation to being able to provide acceptable copy in this industry. You don't have that familiarity. And when you don't have it, you're A (as a writer) not going to sound right to professors and B (as an administrator) not going to be able to detect what sounds right. In this sort of operation, it's funny, because no one at the company knows what sounds right, so the fining starts to get more and more arbitrary. Then, before you know it, it's just you and the dregs. The situation is as hilarious to observe as it is unsustainable to experience. Enjoy it while you can!

The file has since been taken down from Weebly. I was sad to have seen that. I was looking forward to reading it. It sounded like an interesting read. I have to say though, that with all of the English variations now in existence, it has become even more difficult to judge ESL from ENL writers. Just look at the number of English types under the Youtube closed caption list or keyboard English variations available and it will be easy to understand what I am implying. There simply are not just I ways to write in English any more so this discussion is really moot at this point.

I very respectfully disagree. While your English is very good for someone who is not a native speaker, you are simply not in position to know how easy it is for those of us who are native speakers to identify even very good ESL skills as, still, unmistakably ESL; and the fact of the matter is that the writing of most ESL writers is much worse than yours and much easier to identify as ESL. It's not even a matter of glaring mistakes of grammar and/or incorrect and/or awkward use of idiomatic expressions; it's more about a few subtle mistakes that even bad EFL writers never make and that even very good ESL writers typically do make, particularly in relation to when the article "the" is and isn't required. Only ESL writers ever make that particular mistake. The reason that customers care is that EFL professors can spot those mistakes very easily.