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onedrfl  - | 51  
Feb 20, 2007 | #241
Well from what I've seen here, they seem to pay the first time you are owed money, though not on time and only if you give them a hard time about it, . After that is when I see that people are just not getting paid by them. They take advantage of the fact that you have trusted them and then they hold back the money.

I first started to wonder about them when I wrote an article for someone that decided that they wanted something different from what they first asked me to write about. It was a totally different topic. I called them and they made believe they had a bad connection. When I presented to them through an email that they were also getting ripped off because this person would be getting 2 essays for the price of one, they all of a sudden backed off and I got paid for the first one. They are really not very smart people, just dishonest.
sabakhalid  - | 23  
Mar 05, 2007 | #242
Ive noticed some of you managed to get your money back from essaywriters aka essayscumbags. Can anyone tell me how??? Ive spoken to all the fake susans and julias and richards...they just seem to lie and give me a different excuse everytime. I called about four times and all four times their accountant wasnt in the office.

I dont want to give up on it...
onedrfl  - | 51  
Mar 06, 2007 | #243
They probably do not have an accountant so he/she will NEVER be in the office. They read these threads so if you want to email me at my onedrflday2day@yahoo address, I will tell you what I think. If I do it here they will just read it and do the opposite.

I am just unhappy that they are still in business. I just saw an ad for them yesterday looking for people in Ithaca, NY. Of course, it makes no difference where they are from, but the ad was for an Ithaca, NY candidate.

I am just unhappy that they are still in business. I just saw an ad for them yesterday looking for people in Ithaca, NY. Of course, it makes no difference where they are from, but the ad was for an Ithaca, NY candidate.
pious  - | 69  
Mar 10, 2007 | #244
Hi. I'm a newbie here. I'm looking for a good writing site. If that essaywriters scams writers, can anyone recommend one that doesn't? I read so many scams discussed here. Don't want to labor and then don't get paid. :(
Sana Karim  - | 3  
Mar 20, 2007 | #245
write a long letter to them. Threaten them if they don't pay you, you will commit suicide. I guess, this trick might work! give it a try, it will cost you nothing.
sabakhalid  - | 23  
Mar 20, 2007 | #246
THEY PAID MEEE...YEaaaaaaaaa...

atleast thats whats written on the website..ill check with my bank tomm and find out!
essayer  - | 118  
Mar 20, 2007 | #247
what payment mode did they use?
Sana Karim  - | 3  
Mar 21, 2007 | #248
The best way to work with Essaywriters.net as a freelancer and get paid on time is always pick the order with few number of references. Don't cite the source more than in one sentence. And never pick the urgent orders.
Amy1978  
Mar 21, 2007 | #249
Wrong. The "best" option is not to work for them AT ALL! What's wrong with you people who continue to enable the EssayWriters.net crime spree? I hope they take for you for all your worth--you deserve it!
essayer  - | 118  
Mar 21, 2007 | #250
The best way to work with essaywriters.net as a freelancer and get paid on time is always pick the order with few number of references.

how does the number of references relate to being paid on time? what about the choice of urgent orders? why would you know that?

i disagree. i don't think they'll ever pay on time. i'm inclined to believe onedrfl's view that they probably don't have an accountant, a full-time one at least.
workfromhomemom  - | 22  
Mar 22, 2007 | #251
I agree with Amy. We've all had bad experiences with them -- and similar too. why continue working for them?
essayer  - | 118  
Apr 02, 2007 | #252
workfromhomemom, has Essaywriters.net already paid even a portion of its $800 balance?
workfromhomemom  - | 22  
Apr 03, 2007 | #253
hi essayer. no payments received. was reading threads on other topics here. someone called our earnings as salaries. i wouldnt call it that for the amount we receive are not fixed and regular. essaywriters.net uses the term "salary" too. obviously those support reps and web content writers for that company don't understand the meaning of the word.

ask their reps to define plagiarism in their own words and they can't define it. ask them to tell the difference between a direct quote and a paraphrase but they won't give you an answer. terrible. they shouldn't be in the writing business because they don't know anything about research and writing!
phoenix  - | 7  
Apr 04, 2007 | #254
hi essayer. no payments received. was reading threads on other topics here.

Strictly in a legal sense, it should not be referred to as 'salary'-it may be called 'professional fees.' Please allow me to share with you my thoughts:

1-We have discretion to choose from the hundreds of orders at EW.net;
2-once we take an order, we are bound by the terms of the policies of EW.net--that is, at X price per page and for a total of N pages, and for the written product to be uploaded on or before the deadline specified;

3-After 1 and 2 has been complied with by us, the total amount for the project/task as appearing in the order, is reflected in our respective Earnings Report. This means that payment for that written piece has been paid by the client and processed by EW.

4.-The rest of the payment goes to the pocket of EW. We only receive a fraction of what the client pays. This is capitalism--EW has overhead expense and profit margin.

5-I am not bothered by the fact that they do get a larger portion. After all, I have the option not to take a particular writing project if I feel that the price vis-a-vis the nature of the research is under-priced.

6-What bothers me is the fact that-EW can unilaterally and arbitrarily 'pull out' a part of our earnings/fees without notice to us. Legally, the Earnings Report is a contract of fees receivable by us--it is an identified amount SEGREGATED for us to receive on the dates specified in their polcy, i.e. for work done from 1-15 of the month to be paid on 1-3 on the immediately following month; and for work done 16-31 (30) on 15-18 on the immediately following month.

Therefore, they must strictly comply with the above because we already have a RIGHT over the fees stated in the report. Taking it out without notice to us and without basis and cause (based on the written policy) is ROBBING us of our money.

7-What bothers me is--based on what I read from these threads--writer who is charged with plagiarism, will not receive his total earnings as EW will withhold his fees receivables.

I read their policies on this issue and I find it a bit vague and incomplete. For whatever it is worth, there should be a time frame and procedure to allow the writer accused of plagiarism to DISPUTE the report. Moreover, withholding the total fees is a bit unjust. There should also be gradation of offenses, for instance if one writer is accused for the first time of plagiarism for a particular project--then the fees for that project should be held by EW pending the resolution of the dispute and NOT the total fees receivable which includes other past projects. Perhaps, if the writer has already been found guilty of the offense in the past and is accused again of the same offense for the second and third time--then it SHOULD only be the time when EW can withhold the total receivables.

I feel that the company should make clear, definite and specific policies. It should consult writers too. They also have to realize that in this business they need to protect not only their interests but also of the writers and their valued clients.

They need to protect their writers from unscrupulous clients who accuse without basis, those who demand unreasonable revisions.
For instance, if the client demands revision of work based on instructions which are different from the previous work order--EW should charge a new fee for the revision and pay the writer a part of that too.

Finally. on plagiarism--there should be a clear policy on what it constitutes--for instance--References can NOT be part of the plagiarism charge--how to write entries for bibliography is based on rules and therefore--similar patterns result.

To hold otherwise would be absurd because consequently, all the authors and writers would be all guilty of plagiarism.
bensempress  - | 1  
Apr 05, 2007 | #255
I just wanted to be clear about Content Gurus, they are NOT an essay writing company.. they are a keyword writing company. This means they write simple one page articles on a particular keyword. No stellar writing required, it's for the search engines.

The pay is not huge, but it is comparable to other companies just like theirs. Also, of course they use writers to get the work done, there is no secret there. How else would they get it done? They also edit, plagiarise check and produce high quality work for clients. I know this as I have beena client of theirs for months.

Before beginning to work with them, they laid it all out on the table as to what they do...which is contract freelance writers and editors to produce keyword content for website owners and others looking for articles. Their website says the same thing, and it's never been a secret.

So my question would be why they would even be compared to an essay writing company, let alone be brought up at all?
Amy1978  
Apr 05, 2007 | #256
My question is "Why do you come to an ESSAY forum and degrade ESSAY writing companies"?

It's obvious that you are affiliated with them. Why not just be honest instead of masquerading as some random, unbiased person who somehow knows the company's inner workings?
lex  2 | 31  
Apr 06, 2007 | #257
eyy.. haha.. im glad i found this site.. ive been writing for them for about 4 months no.. i got paid for the last 3 months.. im waiting for the latest payments.. but im beginning to believe you guys.. loL
onedrfl  - | 51  
Apr 08, 2007 | #258
How have you been, Amy? i just got an email from someone that read all this and still worked for them and now wants to know what he can do. I told him in different words that if he didn't get the hint not to work for them from here then there was really nothing I could do for him and he had plenty of warning. I don't feel sorry for people that have been here and have read what we have said and still think their experience will be different. They deserve what they get, or what they don't get, as the case may be.

They use the term salaries because they are foreigners and do not know what a salary is. It's just plain and simple misuse of the word in their case.
lex  2 | 31  
Apr 09, 2007 | #259
what best evidence can you provide that these outfits are mostly composed of ukrainians?
onedrflday  - | 5  
Apr 09, 2007 | #260
Here is something I found awhile back. Also, from speaking to them on the phone, and having an American Russian friend, I know how they speak.

"Masterpapers.com is owned by Alexey, a ukrainian-national, a former ICU-Kiev Student (icu-kyiv.net/forum/memberlist.php?sid=b5b9b97458dc1a0d9e0af387c91f4b96 or cashed)

You can find out more about him at the Ukrainian grievances forum when he cheated not only customers but also his Ukrainian writers. (gb.com.ua/?id=writers) As far as I understand from reading the forum, he was the co-owner of bestessays.com and after cheating on his writers and his partner (named Yuri, Ukrainian, owner of bestessays.com), he used the trophy to open his masterpapers.com. The message board discusses everything in 13 pages of discussion.

It would be a great idea if someone who speaks Russian could translate the forum into English for American students to find out more about the company that markets itself too actively.

From that Ukrainian-Russian forum one learns that Alexey operates his website with his girlfriend Ksyusha (full name Aksenia in Russian), a person who introduces herself as "Ashley Taylor", I suppose. Still, if one speaks about emails, he can pretend to be Ashley Taylor, can't he?"
Major  35 | 1449 ☆☆  
Apr 09, 2007 | #261
One note - just to be objective and not to put down someone because of their nationality. The fact that the owner's name sounds "Russian" shouldn't imply the guy is good or bad. Google, Inc was established by "Sergei Brin" [Сергей Брин]- someone who was born in Moscow, Russia.
onedrflday  - | 5  
Apr 09, 2007 | #262
I just said, my friend is Russian. Who is implying that we are putting down anyone because of their nationality? Just is a fact that that is who this particular group is. Doesn't have anything to do with anything to do with any kind of prejudice. I think it is fairly safe to assume that they are, indeed, Russian if everything is written in that language, however.
rat289  1 | 142  
Apr 12, 2007 | #263
I feel compelled to point out a couple problems Army.

You need to remove the comma between "product" and "either".
The first sentence of the second block is parochial. A professional writer would rephrase the sentence to avoid having "for" twice within three words; oh, and "that" after "The bottom line is..." is completely out of place and the hallmark of a novice.

Perhaps you should revise as follows: The bottom line is anyone who writes with poor grammar and sentence structure* has no business writing professionally*** for American customers.

In yet another punctuation gaff you used the apostrophe wrong in "writer's". In your use "feelings" are possessed by the writers. You would punctuate as if you are referring to one writer because you made the topic singular by using the word "any" before "writer".

Sorry if that hurts writers' feelings... is arguably** correct.
Sorry if that hurts any writers' feelings... is incorrect.

I noticed in another post that you placed semi-colons after each of your numbered points. I don't know who told you that is how you do it but they do need to be slapped repetitively and without mercy. All the semi-colons do is distract the reader due to the rareness of a semi-colon; again, another example of something a pro would know that a novice wouldn't. For the love of our language use periods or nothing at all. I'm aware you're trying to show us that all your points have commonality but we already know that as you have numbered them! Can you say "redundant"?

Lastly, while technically correct your last sentence is another example of a series of words no professional writer would use together. "Native language" is another parochial choice of words. "Native tongue" would punch it up considerably. I'm sure with a little effort you could find an entirely different way that both says the same thing and makes you look professional.

I am aware I'm using the asterisks wrong. I placed them after the word in question in an effort to remove any ambiguity.

*Using "sentence structure" in lieu of "word choice" is how a pro does it.
**You could get away without the apostrophe at all in that particular example.
***Since grade school we understand that a professional is someone who gets paid to do something.

Amy1978  
Apr 12, 2007 | #264
You want to start a grammatical war with me, buddy?

My posts here are not "manuscript." Would you like me to tear apart your post in the other thread? You're nowhere near my equal with a keyboard, and you're surely not worth my time. I don't even put forth any effort in my posts, yet my posts are far superior to yours. Obviously, you went over your post in this thread with a fine-tooth comb, and it's still riddled with mistakes and embarrassing falsehoods in an attempt to "correct" me. LOL. Where did you earn your PhD in English Language?

You need to remove the comma between "product" and "either".

LOL. WRONG. Get back in class, Jethro. I won't even bother making you look the fool in any other regard--it's too easy.

First of all, are you in love with me? I feel as though I should seek an online restraining order.

Secondly, Jethro, a semicolon is used to communicate a "pause" that is slightly longer than a comma. From what deep, dark crevice did you pull the following nonsense?

I noticed in another post that you placed semi-colons after each of your numbered points.

Yes, you're the "pro." Wink, wink.

By the way, one does not "say" anything while communicating online (barring the use of a microphone). One "types."

I haven't laughed so much in a long time.
rat289  1 | 142  
Apr 12, 2007 | #265
My posts here are not "manuscript."

CORRECTION: For a while today I've been referring to Amy as Army. I've cleaned my glasses and can see better now. Sorry about the mistake Amy... even perfect people like us make them once in a while ;)

Your posts aren't manuscripts? Really? Let me see if I understand you; I don't want to get this wrong. Because your posts aren't manuscripts it is ok to have errors in them but it isn't ok for others to have errors in theirs? Or are you saying as long as our opinion is the same as yours you'll overlook errors but if our opinion differs from yours and you have no intelligent rebuttal you'll tear our posts to shreds?

I'm not your equal huh? I agree. I've had six-figure sales for screenplays I've written. I've had five-figure options on others. Books I've written have been on the list, how many have you put there? I have an agent, I'm sure you don't. How am I sure? Because you wouldn't be on this site exposing yourself to potential legal action over a couple hundred bucks! I'm not your equal, I'm your superior. You can be Queen of the Words here on these boards and draft better posts than me. I'll stick to being Lord of my fat bank account created by the words I've used.

First of all, are you in love with me? I feel as though I should seek an online restraining order.

Am I in love with you? Perhaps. I suppose that's for me to know and you to find out. I've always liked the sound of "Amy" rolling off my lips in the morning. I'll have to ponder that a bit and get back to you;)

I'm glad to see you paid attention to your grammar book Amy. However, had you taken the time to learn more about punctuation you would've learned that semicolons are a dying thing. Had you any feel for writing in "common language" you'd know to refrain from using them except when you really want to draw attention to that part of your work.

Here's the part where I spill some knowledge onto the page so grab your pencil, crayons or whatever you're allowed to write with and take notes.

Writing isn't what your professors demanded from you in class. It is about communicating with people on a level, in a way they will understand. You are trying to get whatever idea that is trapped inside your mind into theirs. Getting that exact picture across takes skill and patience. You have neither at this point. Sure you may be able to pull straight A's for your work but that's all you know at this point.

I say that without knowing anything about you other than what you've posted. If I had to venture a guess, I would say you suffer from some sort of inferiority complex. Did you spend your adolescence being thought of as stupid? Do you feel the uncontrollable need to display your intelligence? I'm sure you do. The way you talk down to people on these boards supports my theory. Because of that need is why your work came back as plagiarized. Confused? That doesn't surprise me. I'll clear it up for you provided you promise to understand that this is only a partial picture based on what info my research has churned up to this point.

When a student buys an essay or whatever and turns it in he/she runs the risk of getting busted. The crime? Plagiarism. When a professor discovers work he/she knows the student didn't do, he/she marks that work as plagiarized material. Watch closely, here comes the part that makes me look really, really smart. In definition the work IS plagiarized. The student tried to pass the work of another person off as his/her own. Classic textbook plagiarism. In an academic atmosphere it doesn't matter if the student paid for it and owns it. In the end it still is work done by another presented as the work of the student.

What happens next is where the headache begins for the author of the work. The student complains to the site they purchased the work from. Still watching closely? Need me to define any of the big words before going on? The site in question, like many others, is set up to keep you from getting paid. They sell the work "as is, no refund" and create a tricky list of requirements and disqualifiers that the writer has to navigate to ensure payment. Shady? Yes. Uncommon in the writing industry? No.

In short, they will pay you as the time table states. The trick is for you to work within the requirements and avoid the disqualifiers. If you do that and the student doesn't get busted, you will get your money as promised. Even if the student gets busted you can get your money. The trick is navigating the convoluted appeal process when a plagiarism complaint is leveled against you. Frankly, if your student gets busted it is just as mush your fault as it is theirs. Like hell you say?

You're a professional. Because of that fact you have your ego in check. You've agreed to write something anonymously. You should've taken the time to make sure your final product isn't above your customer's pay grade. You didn't do that, did you? No, I think not. You wanted to show the student and his professor how smart you are. You used a million dollar vocabulary and every format and punctuation rule you could pull from a Quick Access book to show that student how lucky he was to have you; the Queen of the Words, working for them. The result was your student got nailed for plagiarism and you didn't get your money.

Instead of taking the time to follow the appeal process as you agreed to do when you checked the box accepting the terms, you argued with them and ran around blasting them. How sad.

Go ahead and run around these boards picking on writers you feel are not your equal. Go forth almighty Queen of the Words and spread forth all the textbook grammatically correct work you can. Ignore the advice of those who know, those who've been there and done that. Keep putting those words down just as your English teachers taught you, you'll do them proud. You won't be alone. You're not the only one out there that knows it all. Go. Have your fun. The rest of us? The rest of us will be right here collecting our money.
Amy1978  
Apr 12, 2007 | #266
Blah, blah, blah. Feel better after spewing that online diatribe of self-important jargon? Too bad everything you've written is pure rubbish and baseless assumption.

You have no idea what's in my bank account. I don't write for anyone besides myself, and I'll bet that my penny is prettier than yours. Nice try, Jethro.

Please tell everyone the title of just ONE of your "manuscripts" or "books." Hurry, we're all waiting with rabid anticipation!
rat289  1 | 142  
Apr 12, 2007 | #267
Ok. I co-wrote Just Cause (1995)... There were only two of us on the script. I published under a pen but there is documentation out there that can help you fill in the blanks... FYI you started this!
Amy1978  
Apr 12, 2007 | #268
Pen name on the manuscript, please.

I started it? Here's proof of your lie: essayscam.org/forum/wc/essaywriters-content-gurus-inside-truth-94/9/

The time of that post is BEFORE anything that I typed in your direction.

Any more lies?
onedrfl  - | 51  
Apr 12, 2007 | #269
I just have one question, Rat. If you are the tycoon you say you are then why are you working for a relative pittance for Essay Writers? I don't want a long solioquy from you so I'll just give you an easy multiple choice question to answer. Think you can do that?

A. You really are not the tycoon you say you are.
B. Everything you have written here is a big lie.
C. Essay writers contracted you as a last ditch attempt to save their failing, cheating site since you can write a sentence and might have some credibility influencing the idiots that think they will be treated any better by them.

D. All of the above.

I'll give you a hint. The answer is D.

Incidentally, I was paid, but not on time. That doesn't fly with me.
rat289  1 | 142  
Apr 12, 2007 | #270
Perhaps E. I'm working on an article and this is research for me.

Take reading comprehension again my friend. If you look back at my first post I said I was going to take two jobs there and write them two different ways and see what happens...

Not to go all vernacular on you but in scientific terms one of those stories would be a "control"... need me to explain it a little better for you?

Perhaps F. Writing fiction involves hours upon hours of idle time. Maybe this is a way for me to burn that time constructively. After all creativity is a muscle and if you don't continue to exercise it things will go bad for you quickly.

Perhaps G. I was bored yesterday and stumbled upon their site. In that boredom I filled out the application, got the acceptance today and in checking them out found you guys and have been keeping myself amused all day. It is sorta fun bantering back n forth with Amy.

Perhaps H. A friend is trying to make some extra money and he asked me to check this out for him because I have a knack for weeding out scams. Upon finding this forum the writer in me engaged when I found someone willing to argue.

I'll give YOU a hint, E thru H. I write fiction and do some ghost work on non-fiction stuff. I just finished the first draft on my most current spec-script, Hillbillyman. It went in the drawer yesterday and will sit there for a week when I will pull it out and begin the headache of revising. Since you don't seem too bright and I don't want you to fall behind, I'll tell you that revising is when you go over your work and fix problems and make it better.

Normally I would burn the week of idle time by playing with my peers on various groups I'm part of. A buddy of mine called me yesterday and told me he got a job at a place called Essay Writers. After a long explanation of what they were I told him there had to be something fishy. I tossed out a couple of queries on the group and netted no information. The SYSOP asked me if I'd be willing to draft an article for the group of how I went about making the call of scam or legit. I agreed and began checking them out. I've pretty much unraveled the uncommonly high amount of plagiarism claims from that site and have discovered that more times than not they do in fact pay so long as the writer follows a complex set of requirements designed to keep you from getting paid.

Are they a scam? Yes and no. If you're good at following directions and diligent in following up occasional mistakes and sluggishness from them you will get your money. Keep in mind they can't exist without you. If they have no content to sell they have no income. The model there seems to be make it as tough as they can for the writers to remain compliant... if 1 out of 4 manages to navigate a payment we're doing fine. Is this attitude worth closing the door on potential income? No. You're going to find that sort of attitude wherever you go in the industry... nobody wants to give you money if they don't have to and believe me when I tell you if they can find a way not to give you money you're not getting any.

Studios will give you points on your script. That's a percentage of the box office take. Your film may gross a hundred-million but the studio may tell you it grossed fifty-million. These contracts are iron clad. The gross is public record. You have an airtight case. What you don't have is the unlimited supply of cash to pay lawyers to keep the suit alive. In the end you shrug your shoulders and happily take what they give you. Why? Because they can bury you and if you play your cards right you can pry a development deal out of them - six months to a year of guaranteed work! Essay Writers isn't much different. You have to walk the straight and narrow to avoid fines and forfeitures of money.

If you feel confident you can navigate the system and write papers that are going to look like students wrote them I would say go for it. I wouldn't recommend using it as your sole source of income but if you can play the game you'll get a few extra bucks a month. Just remember the way to avoid plagiarism claims is to make sure you papers are run-of-the-mill. You don't want the professors discovering the student bought the work (see my post in the other thread).

Protection tips...

If you do get involved with this site you have some recourse when you don't get paid and the appeal process gets you nowhere.

I would suggest keeping date and time records as you create papers for them. If they or the customer rejects your work keep whatever it is they send you to inform you of it. The rights to that paper are now yours. Copyright it. Wait a week or two and inquire about having a paper written on the same topic as if you're someone else. If they offer you up your work you have them dead in the water on copyright violations and those violations are worldwide and under the circumstances could lead to class action. I say this because I have a sneaky suspicion that they recycle the rejected work, if not there, somewhere.

In the end you have to decide if you're smart enough to play with them and diligent enough to follow through when there are issues. As for the money you have to consider getting paid for one of every three papers is still better than not making any money at all doing nothing.
Amy1978  
Apr 12, 2007 | #271
I would suggest keeping date and time records as you create papers for them.

Good advice, indeed.
rat289  1 | 142  
Apr 12, 2007 | #272
The group and SYSOP refered to in the above post ARE NOT this group or SYSOP! Sorry for the confusion.
Amy1978  
Apr 12, 2007 | #273
"Our company cooperates only with certified writers, MD holders, professors, researchers and editors. All of them are native English speakers, proficient in their specific area."

- bestessays.com

"Most of our writers hold Masters Degrees and work in the related fields."
- bestessays.com/faq_qualifications.php

"Our writers have received education and have gained experience in many fields. Most of them hold Master and PhD degrees, they are world-recognized and highly in demand."

- superiorpapers.com/faq.php

"Native English professionals"
superiorpapers.com/term_paper_writing_services.php
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The Ukrainians behind EssayWriters.net also own BestEssays.com and SuperiorPapers.com, which bring in the their orders.

Dozens of ESL writers (with only BA degrees or LESS) who currently work or formerly worked for EssayWriters.net have posted in this forum.

EssayWriters.net is a crooked organization on many fronts--this is merely one of them.
rat289  1 | 142  
Apr 12, 2007 | #274
YOU'RE GIVING ME A HEADACHE! We just went over this in a different thread! STICK TO ONE THREAD ALREADY! HEHEHE
Amy1978  
Apr 12, 2007 | #275
I posted similar info because it is extremely pertinent to this thread, and it was NOT directed to you.
rat289  1 | 142  
Apr 12, 2007 | #276
EssayWriters.net is a crooked organization on many fronts--this is merely one of them.

That's what you're not getting. For the business we're in this isn't really that bad, I've seen a lot worse. I can show you sites that virtually promise you 5,000 copy first prints as long as you pony up 1200 bucks. Sure they'll run 5,000 copies... as long as you hit something like 40 different points and rules.

These guys are no different. You have to remember something Amy. We're writers, masters of words... hell, you're the Queen of the Words... because this is our trade we should be able to understand and follow the guidelines they've set forth.

Tell me if this is fair...

You write a screenplay. A studio gives you a $25,000 option against a $250,OOO sale price. It's a two-year option, which means they hold the rights to your work for two years at the end of that time they can either give the rights back to you, renew or give you the $250,000. In the contract it specificly states that you are to be paid for the script before it it produced. However, the 2,000 pages of fine print enables them to not only produce the film but open it in theaters and you haven't seen a dime of the sale price yet... and you won't till after it's out on DVD.

Sounds like a scam huh? They say they're going to give you 250k but they only give 10% of it and hold on to the rest until the option finally expires. It's up to the writer to find and close those loop-holes before signing the option... Just as it is up to the essay writer to be sure he understands what's expected of him in order to be paid.

I've looked at it several different ways and I don't see the scam you and the others are seeing. If you didn't get paid for something odds are somewhere along the line you made a mistake. You learn from it and move on and avoid making it again.
onedrfl  - | 51  
Apr 12, 2007 | #277
EFGH =ALL LIES

You have been contracted by them to scare people into shutting their mouths and lure in new bait. You're a low feeder that probably lives off my taxes. You have no scruples and you deserve whatever life dishes out to you. I won't even address you again because we both know what you're doing here and "methinks thou dost protest too much."
Amy1978  
Apr 12, 2007 | #278
Basically, your point is that as long as EssayWriters.net's FRAUD is on par with the fraud of other outfits, it's OK? You've got to be kidding me.

"If you didn't get paid for something odds are somewhere along the line you made a mistake. You learn from it and move on and avoid making it again."

For the record, I don't make mistakes when it comes to my work, and I don't write for criminals. I'm a writer/editor of online documents for a very large, well-known corporation (I won't name it, so please don't bother asking). If I'm not perfect, I lose my job. It's that simple.
rat289  1 | 142  
Apr 12, 2007 | #279
You have been contracted by them to scare people into shutting their mouths and lure in new bait.

If I were contracted by them to "scare" people into keeping their yaps shut I did a **** poor job. In fact I've been downright incompetent. I've given you a glimpse into how and why it works and how to get paid. I've explained how it is a scam and how it isn't. Not exactly a good sales job huh? I even whet so far as to tell you how to protect your work in the event that my feelings are right and they are using rejected work elsewhere. This being the umbrella company that it is would I be wise in disclosing that information if I were being paid by them?

The progression of my statements regarding that site - simplistic version (since you're too stupid to comprehend written English)

Post 1: Seen all the posts about this site and I felt it may be unfair or biased. I especially had a problem with the personal attacks on the poster named Beth, who claimed to be a rep of the company, by Amy. The post ended with me stating I was going to look into it a bit and give my opinion.

Post 2: Different thread. By this posting I had already interviewed a professor and spoken to two representatives of the website. I recognized this sort of set up and stated that it is legit but with serious strings. Stated that caution and skill are needed to be successfully involved with this company.

Post 3: Posted a little about how it works. Spelled out how and why they claim plagiarism as often as they do. Also reiterated how important it is to your getting paid to follow the rules carefully. Also explained the risk involved. Provided tips on how to protect yourself in the event your work is claimed to be plagiarized. Stated that I feel they are using rejected work on the site or elsewhere.

That's the basic gist of my posts regarding that site. I ask you, how exactly would those be construed as something a contracted person would do? Please explain this to me as I am incapable of shoving my head as far up my a-- as you have yours.

Yes, this company does pray on the weak minded and benefit the knowledgeable. Writers who aren't smart enough or savvy enough to avoid the traps are going to get taken. Those who are diligent and competent are going to thrive. Perhaps you just weren't intelligent enough to work the system. I'm sorry you were taken for a ride but based on my research into this company you got taken for one of two reasons, you were either too stupid or you were incompetent. Based on your postings my money would be on both.

You're problem is they took you for some money, didn't they? If anyone here has a clear cut motive for their actions it would be you. My comments about them have been fair and balanced. Just because they wronged you doesn't give you license to forego the truth and ignore the facts. Those facts say if you do it the way they want you to odds are you will get paid.
onedrfl  - | 51  
Apr 12, 2007 | #280
I was entirely paid. My problem is people that are slimeballs! You would not understand how someone might be angry for the sake of pure ethics because you have none.

If you had read my posts you would have seen the trouble I had getting the money and how I still helped others get theirs after I was paid. That is something the likes of you would never do.




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