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I'm not saying it's OK I'm saying that is pretty much the way of it. If you work for a good company then I would consider you one of the lucky ones. Is it freelance work or are you an actual employee or permanent contractor? That makes a difference.

The work I do is strictly freelance. I've worked for good people and crooks. If you know how to protect your work you can make good money with the crooks. One of the best methods is employing a "pay as you go" system ($ after step-outline, $ after treatment, $ after first draft, ect...). There have been some occasions I've been taken but even then I got something out of it. Either more work which I did get paid on or screen credits and in my line of work those are more valuable than money.

If you've been in the game for a while you have to know you're going to get taken from time to time as you learn and grow. We all do. If it happens to you, learn from it and grow. Find a positive to build on. Move on. By move on I mean after you've fought as hard as you can to get your money.

Do you proof on the side?


We are never judged by what we do, only by what we've done - A. R. Sanfilippo

I spend on average 14 hours a day behind my desk when I'm working on my writings. As each revision is concluded I take a week or two off to let the story age a bit... What would you do with a week or two off from work?

This is what I do, what I have done:

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Originally posted by Charles Konsor
I think I heard somewhere (not sure where, or who, or anything like that . . . take this as you will) that good writers plagarize, great writers steal.

Everything, everything EVERYTHING has been done before. Everyone will be able to say, this scene reminded me of this story, or this character reminded me of that character. This is not bad, it just shows that the story effected the person, made them remember, made them connect it with other thoughts and stories.

I don't think you're plagarizing. Indeed, I think it's very, very hard to plagarize, even if you are trying to. Stories are stories, and if you're capturing the human expirence through your own mind then your story is original.

Also, if you actually write the story you'll probalby find it's 100 x different then the one you read. And if you don't write it . . . then I'm afraid I have nothing to say to you.

A little bit drunk.
-Charlie

Not to split hairs Charlie but there are too many new writers here and this needs to be cleared up. The term "Everything has been done before" doesn't refer to parts of a story, locations or even character types. What is meant by that statement is that in theory every possible plot line has been done. That is also where the saying "A good writer plagiarizes a great writer steals" comes from. A good writer will take a the plotting of a story and make it original work, a great writer will take the plot and make something insanely original and highly creative. 48 hours' plotting morphs into Rush Hour - example of good. Romeo and Juliet is converted into Titanic - example of great. While Rush hour used the formula of a loner cop forced to buddy up with a partner, Titanic takes the structure of Romeo and Juliet and creates an unique story. I'm sure it looks like Charlie and I are saying the same thing. We're not. I'm sure Charlie understands what I'm saying, I'd even bet this was what he was trying to say. I'm going to try to clear it up for you a little.

Today seems to be Titanic day for me (I seem to be using it in all my examples). Titanic is simply put, Romeo and Juliet on a boat. That plot line has been used so many times dating further back than Shakespeare. If you wanted to write a love story where the villains are differing societies you are free to do so. However, if you write a lover story where the villains are differing societies and place it on a ship destined to sink you may... MAY... have a problem.

Now let's say you want to write a story about Titanic before and up to the sinking. In other words you want to tell the story of Sue and Bill who were heading to America for a new start. You know, tell the same tale from another's point-of-view. You can do that, no issues. Let us say that you have Bill and Sue sitting at the Captain's table on the exact same night that Jack and Rose were, cheesy but still no issues. Where you would run into a problem is if you use the same FICTIONAL characters that were used in Titanic. Any character from Titanic who is/was a real person is fair game. You could even have Bill save Sue from jumping to her death and have the captain, Mr. Moody and Molly Brown standing around talking about it with Bill... you could even bring up the fictional line that "somebody slipped and almost fell there a few hours ago" and you're still ok... no issues. However, if you have Jack there you've got a problem. More so, if Jack chimes in with "yeah, right, she slipped. She was going to jump and I stopped her" you've got a huge problem.

You can't protect an idea with a copyright. You can protect finished work and characters. Jack is protected but the ship designer isn't; he was a real person. However, you can't not use the characteristics of that character that were made up. You have to form your own opinion of his personality based on your OWN research. A good example of this would be to compare the leads of Tombstone and Wyatt Earp (sp?)... I think that was the film's title, it stared Costner as Earp. You'll see both stories have Wyatt but Tombstone's Wyatt is considerably different than the other one. Why, if they were the same man? Because, the writers researched Wyatt Earp and based on their findings combined with story needs and opinion came up with what they BELIEVED his personality to be... and that work can be protected.

Before I scare any of you new writers into a shell let me follow that up with this... even though you can't protect your ideas, you're ideas are still safe. Finished work is the best way to protect an idea but our individuality protects our ideas too. If Cameron had hired ten writers to each write a copy of Titanic he would've ended up with ten very different stories. No two writers will turn out the same final draft of one idea. Look at the time it took to make the first Star Wars movie and the first Star Trek film. Does anyone really believe that Paramount had no clue of the basic idea behind Star Wars? Fox knew what Star Trek was all about.

Sharing broad storkes is healthy and good for your craft. Try not to share the finer points of your story. The broad strokes can't be protected but the finer ones could be. To answer the original question I would have to say you're ok. Remember stay away from what can be protected and take the rest!

This is what I've done...

Re: Characters screaming....

You seem to be in the starting stages of your story. First write a synopsis to yourself. Just include the basic strokes; the beginning, the middle and the end. Once you have a page long synopsis that you feel is very solid begin fleshing it out a little more. Think of the main plot points. What puts the story in motion (The inciting incident, the reason for the tale, ect...)? How does the story end? What major event between the inciting incident and the climax spins the character into a new direction? Those would be your major plot points.

ie. Titanic

Short synopsis -Jack meets Rose on the doomed boat and falls in love: Jack meets and falls for Rose, a well-to-do member of high-society. Rose is engaged to be married. Jack sets in motion of helping Rose "live" by leaving that lifestyle and being with him. Rose comes to her senses and goes to Jack. The ship hits the iceberg and begins to sink. A race against time ensues as Jack tries to save both his and Rose's lives. Partially successful Jack manages to save Rose but at the cost of his own life.

Main plot points:

Inciting Incident: Jack meets and falls in love with Rose - he must have her no matter the cost
Major Reversal 1: Rose rejects Jack and his lifestyle
Major Reversal 2: Rose sees the light and goes to Jack just before the boat hits the iceberg - now Jack must save her life.
Climax: The boat sinks, Rose is safe and Jack is dead.

Once you have that much done then move into the next phase; stepping out your outline. I do it with index cards. I write on a separate card the main plot points and place them in order on a large table (as if you're drawing a time line). Then take one plot point and work backward. Create as many scenes as you can from the main plot point backwards to the plot point before it or the beginning of the story (books and movies both have scenes but if you want you can call them story events) Don't forget to ask questions to yourself... the answer is almost always a scene.

ie. Jack meets and falls in love with Rose...

Q: How does Jack get on the boat if he's poor?
A: He won a ticket.
S: Jack is playing cards; he gets a lucky hand and wins a pair of tickets for the Titanic

Q: A pair of tickets? Why 2?
A: He has a buddy he's traveling with
S: Jack needs a friend; a minor character to help spread out the exposition

Q: How do Jack and Rose meet?
A: He saves her.
S: Rose twists her ankle and Jack catches her before she hits her head.

Q: Why in the world would she consider leaving that life to be poor with Jack?
A: Because she's a free spirit
S: Rose is sitting at another dull gathering, she can't take it. She darts out of the room crying.

Q: The Jack and Rose meeting is kind of weak, can you do better
A: SUICIDE! After that dinner she goes to jump off the back of the ship, Jack saves her!

Ok, that should be enough to get the idea. If you haven't seen Titanic go rent it. Once you draft as many scenes as you can that lead up to your plot point you then must order them and cut what isn't needed. In my example I gave two ways Jack and Rose can meet. I cut the ankle one in favor of the jumping one (I should note that Q+A stuff is about all I put on an index card in addition to a brief scene description). I have a lot of exposition (non-dramatic information the reader/viewer needs to fully get the story) a good way to get the expo out there is if Jack had a buddy. I could drag down the beginning of the story by a few "Jack meets his buddy" scene but in the end it isn't important to the story so I bring the buddy in mid-friendship (dialogue and interaction can show the audience that Jack and dude have been pals for a long time) In doing so I begin following a very important rule of story crafting - Start the story as close to the inciting incident as possible. In the end Jack needs to get on the boat with a friend, that's where the story starts... how did Jack get on the ship.

Once you have a good step outline from the start to each plot point and to the end of the tale you're ready for the next step - Treating the outline. Make sure before you start this step that you really like your step outline. The story flows, there are no gaps in the tale... you want to be as happy as an artist can be with the tale. Take each card (which represents one scene) separately and draft a synopsis of it. In other words a scene is a short story that when placed with other scenes in order works to tell a larger story. So each scene should have a beginning, middle and an ending. A scene should also be dramatic. In a scene you start off with somebody or thing wanting something. Somebody or something wanting something directly opposite of the other persons want. A series of actions taken by each to help them achieve their opposite goals. A winner, somebody has to win and that victory has to move the tale into the next scene and generally leave the hero in worse shape than when the scene started.

ie. Jack wins tickets.

On your index card you have: Jack wins two tickets for a trip on Titanic.

Treatment: Jack and Antonio are teamed up playing poker. The pot is huge and in it are two tickets for passage on Titanic. One of the two locals has a good hand, the other, like Antonio, has nothing; it's down to Jack and the huge local. As luck would have it Jack wins. The local punches out the other local and Jack and Antonio rush to catch the ship.

For this postings sake I'm keeping the treatment short. Normally it would be another block long. The scene opens with two sides wanting the same thing. Jack's side wants to win, the locals want to win... there can only be one winner. The actions each side takes to reach their goal is the betting and folding. Jack's side wins. On the surface it looks like all is good for Jack, how does this scene leave Jack worse off than before the scene started? Had Jack lost he would have lived! We needed to get him on the ship... he's now on the ship... he should've brought a wetsuit!

Once you treat each scene the hard part comes. You must go over the treatment and edit and revise the plotting of your story. Ask yourself of each scene is there a want? Is there an opposite want? Is there action to achieve the want? Is there a winner? Any scene that doesn't have these four basic elements needs to be reworked and if you can't get them in there you must cut the scene and place the exposition elsewhere in the story. Editing and revising your story is going to be the most difficult thing you ever do. It is hard to cut our own work. Editing is an art and it takes a long time to hone that skill. When you get your treatment edited down and the story is solid then and only then will you begin to "write" your story... Just as you did with the cards for the treatment you take one scene at a time and tell the story of that scene. Keep in mind this is the first draft of the work people will see. It must contain everything you feel is important to help pull your reader into that world. Once the first draft is done you start the edit cycle again and again and again...

I hope this helps you a little in trying to flesh out your story. I'm sorry this post got away from me and became as long as it is. Good luck with the project and always keep this in mind: Anybody can write; a writer makes what he writes better. That means the first draft is always going to be bad... you judge your skill by the revisions.

Should I go on? During my down time I spend hours tutoring aspiring writers on all sorts of issues. Writing is a craft and we are artists. We have an obligation to pass on the skills of our trade. I don't charge a dime for any of it. I've spent weeks drafting how-to material for people who were having troubles picking up the craft. Do you know how many miles I've travelled, on my own dime, to meet with writer groups to assist them where I can? It would stagger the mind. I'm sorry if my sense of fairness drives me to look at everything objectively before piling on. I'm sorry but your opinion of this site is completely wrong and driven by emotions evoked by some sort of betrayal or screwing you haven't shared.

I'm sorry, but your "objectivity" has led you defend blatant, proven criminals.

OMG you made a mistake! Here allow me to loan you a "to". hehehehe

How do you see this as a defense of them? I read the rules, asked questions and investigated other sources. Then I posted my findings. Did you do half as much before stating your opinion? I'm sorry if my findings didn't mesh with your opinion. They have to have a sort of legitimacy or they wouldn't be a primary sponsor on Yahoo search. Yahoo has policies in place that prohibit "Scam Artists" from advertising on their service. Trust me when I tell you that Yahoo has far more investigative resourses than I do; if they're advertising they checked out fine.

Let's go to the card...

On one side you have a company which needs writers in order to have products to sell. You have people on this forum, your buddy included, saying they got paid albeit with some delay and hassle. You have satisfied customers and writers; this forum isn't the only forum talking about this company. The company isn't listed on any official watch list as a scam. Only on privately owned web-forums which by the way are apparently littered with sub-standard writers who have been terminated by the company. The fact that they do terminate writers who violate rules goes to support their legitimacy, not work against it as some of you have implied. If they're trying to coax free work out of writers why would they rid themselves of any writer?

They are a main search sponsor on Yahoo search which means their business methods and history were investigated by Yahoo per contractual agreement. They claim to be a corporation and they are. The exemption is so complicated that I can't even find a way to articulate it and I'm not going to spend the money to have my lawyer explain it. The best I can do is state the exemption exists, in part, because of the type of business they are and the location of their main office. The issue of the transfer limits somebody brought up appears to be on the payee's end not the payer's end. When you're dealing with overseas transfers they are required to follow our tax laws. Our government has a limit to the amount of money you can receive from overseas without having to file special forms and paying certain types of taxes. Also, let's not forget The Patriot Act. That was the only information I could find about transfer limits. There could be other issues but time constraints prevented me from looking deeper, so don't take this explanation as the "official" reason.

On the other side we have writers who for all we know are merely kids who passed English class and are trying to make a buck. These writers have leveled claims that the company is nothing but crooks. The evidence to support their claim seems to be the fact that they had to put forth extra effort to collect their money and the unforgivable crime of being a company based overseas marketing to Americans. We also have members of this forum condemning the company for using advertising gimmicks that all companies use to coax business ("most of our writers are..."). After reading Essay Writer's advertisements I find nothing out of place or improper with their adds; however, I did find a couple of typos.

Even if I include the convoluted instructions and rules to get paid that are designed specifically to trick a writer out of their money I still can't make the leap to call them crooks. I wish I could Amy but I just don't see the evidence. In the end it comes down to the word of a handful of people I don't know vs. a company who has invested loads of money and has no official complaints or investigations logged anywhere but on privately owned, heavily biased websites. This site for that matter is more biased than most. How? A small number of highly vocal writers have determined on their own that the company is nothing but a scam. What you have going on here is a smaller version that what happened when the minority elected our president; twice!

While the spirit of this site is noble the reasons it gives for calling a company corrupt isn't, by any stretch of the word. How can they imply that a company not owned domestically is corrupt by default? I don't see the relevance. There are hundreds if not thousands of companies doing business in the states as American owned and operated companies whose parent companies are based in Europe and Asia. By the standard set forth on this site and supported by some members, Honda, Toyota and Sony pictures, just to name a few, are corrupt as well. Going a step further all three companies have contractors (which is by definition what you are for Essay Writers) who are owed money or denied payment for violations or interpretations of trickily worded contracts. They also consider a company following allowed, legal business tactics to turn a profit a corrupt company too simply because those tactics don't agree with their personal ethics. I can't help but to ask how the operators of this site can allow such blatant disregard of fact and fairness. I refuse to believe they consider the word of a handful of disgruntled ex-contractors as fact. If they do then the fool isn't the writer who goes to Essay Writers but the writer who bases their decision on the content of this site.

Essay Writers is a company a writer needs to approach with caution. The same caution any contractor needs to take when approaching any company. Because of the sheer number of aspiring and newbie writers that will ultimately stumble into their trap I would even say more writers will not get paid than the ones who will. I'm sorry to say it but that's the business. It is dog eat dog. They are there to turn a profit just as you are. You want a fair wage and that cuts into their bottom line. Business law mandates you try to contract services as cheaply as possible without compromising quality.

You believe you're fighting the good fight. That you're protecting the new writer. Do you think that will grant you some sort of loyalty from him? That newbie who is going to get taken advantage of today will be knifing you in the back next year. You can't in good conscious hold a company responsible for the incompetence of the uninformed. The only way you can is if you're biased and if you are it is completely UNETHICAL for you to voice any opinion as fact involving that company. You can tell your story, you can call them crooks but you cannot do so without qualifying your statements as personal opinion based on personal experience. If you want to protect the new writer do so by sharing your story not by twisting your story into a perverted form of truth.

In the end the evidence isn't there to support the claims of this forum that Essay Writers is nothing but a scam. You seem like an intelligent woman Amy. Shelf your emotions for a second and view the evidence objectively. Surely you can at the very least agree that maybe you've got it wrong. If not, then you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree and leave it at that... I'm sure there are other issues we can find that we don't see eye to eye on.

I will be drafting my article next week. It will include all reference material, interviews and cleaner interpretations of the particular model Essay Writers uses to do business. If the result of my two papers are in by final draft I will include the upshot. If not, I will go over it in the follow up article down the road. For putting up with me today I will come back and place a link to the article or you can look for it in some of the trade publications. It has been fun going back and forth with you. You can think of me as someone under contract to promote the company if you want. You'll be wrong. All I can offer at this point is my word that I have no affilation in any way other than the account I signed up for as a contractor for the purpose of gathering information.

I don't know where you get your info, but this makes me LOL. Yahoo does no such type of investigation. Ask any advertiser who uses Yahoo.

I'd love to see the articles of incorporation, rat. FYI, I called a neighboring business to BestEssays' and SuperiorPapers' so-called "corporate address," and the gentleman who answered was helpful enough to confirm that no company named "Universal Research LLC" operates in that location.

Bogus address:

Universal Research LLC
11654 Plaza American dr #365
Reston VA 20190-4700

They are well aware that their fake address poses some "problems," so they place the address in an IMAGE so that people can't search for it online when investigating!

Rat, these crooks are located in UKRAINE. Don't believe me? Fly to Virginia and knock on "their" door.

There's a member at essayfraud ("paperchasefraud") who has the legal knowledge to tear apart EssayWriters' bogus incorporation claims. He did just that to MasterPapers, which also happens to be based in Ukraine.

essayfraud/forum/index.php?showforum=4

By the way, can you defend SuperiorPapers' blatantly fraudulent claim that they have been in business since 1997?

I can keep hitting you with proof of their deceptive practices, if you'd like. I'm not short on evidence. However, I would like to see some solid evidence from you that justifies your support of essaywriters.net.

The L.L.C. doesn't need to be on file in the location of the remote office, remote address or even this country for that matter. It can be on file in the location of the home office or location of the parent company's home office. You're dealing with International Law at this point. As I said, the exemption was more confusing than anything I've seen before. Men and women go to school for years just to be able to grasp the basics then spend more time being tutored by mentors. Best I can tell, with the limited time I've spent on this so far, is your answers rest across the Atlantic Ocean. Until you get in touch with the Ukraine and search their records you really can't run around claiming they don't have one and expect to maintain credibility.


Did you read this after you wrote it? You called a business next to the address they listed and he confirmed that the company's parent company wasn't operating in that location and you in your expansive business knowledge deduced that they were committing fraud? "He" being a person not employed or involved with them in any way other than the fact that he's the neighbor to the address. Sound about right? Where is the fraud? They only need a physical address in the country to do business here as they are. Did you ever consider they're just leasing the address? Perhaps, they're operating a D.B.A. (doing business as). Did you contact the Secretary of State to see if there was indeed an L.L.C. on file? Or did you hang up and utter the word "crooks" and hit your keyboard?

What do you know about L.L.C.'s? You're making a Federal case out of a parking ticket with this argument. Having an L.L.C. on file only serves to benefit the ownership of the company. It does not protect the consumer or contractor. Limited Liability Corporation status limits the risk the owner is exposed to. It prevents another entity from registering and using the name of that company. With a company that walks a fine line such as this one do you really think they wouldn't have this protection in place? I'm afraid you weren't looking in the right place for the registration. I'm sorry to inform you but they are a valid properly registered company. That was one of the first things I had checked this morning.

Your other "evidence" isn't evidence at all. The fact that they made what you call fraudulent claims in their advertising is argumentative at best. It's all in the interpretation. Let's take your 1997 claim. Even if the company didn't exist on paper in 1997 the company could've existed back then. To best explain it I'll use my business as an example...

About six years ago I registered my company as a L.L.C. However, my company wasn't established six year ago, it was created four-teen years ago. For the record I list my establishment date as 1993. It is when I started proofing and editing for money. Sure, I didn't have the company name I have now but I was in business. Now if someone like you looked up my L.L.C and saw it was formed in 2002 and started running around claiming I'm fraudulently representing myself I would have you in court so fast it would make your head spin. If I could prove damages you would be opening your wallet. Under the conditions you're running around slamming Essay Writers they'd have no problem proving damages with you just as I'd have no problem. You're stating as fact that this company is creating fraud when in fact you have no evidence other than some typos and misunderstanding on your part.

I think the fact that your problem with this company is so personal that it is blinding your objectivity and common sense. I've had a couple of fellow writers read your arguments against mine and they can't make the leap either no matter how much leeway they give you. You want to see valid evidence of proof in their defense? Try opening your eyes. I laid out the steps you can take. Like I said, this stinks of an angry ex-contractor slandering the company by innuendo and boisterous speech. Are they shady? Absolutely. Are they criminally so? Not at all.


Again here you have faulty or incomplete information. There are different levels of advertising on Yahoo and other search engines. The spot they have costs a mint. So reserved is this spot that only two results appear in it and this company had both of them when I did my search yesterday. I have a copy of the terms of agreement they would've signed to buy the add space. I'll be sure to quote the buzz words for you.

Face it Amy, your arguments are all emotion and no content.

Ok Amy. Proof that you're uninformed.

Universal Research LLC has an LLC on file in the state of Virginia.

Entity ID: T029708-7
Acitvated on 2/03/06

s0302.vita.virginia.gov/servlet/resqportal/resqportal?&rqs_custom_dir=scccisp1

When the page loads click on the number 10 box and it will turn yellow then hit "enter" on your keyboard. When that page loads type in the name of the company and hit enter. It will bring up that LLC plus old LLC's the same company once used.

After I read your LLC comment it took me an 30 min to find this. How much time and energy did you really put in to substantiate your claims? You were wrong about this, I wonder what else you were wrong about...

I'm wrong? I think not. You just don't get it, do you?

They claim to be American. LIE.
They claim to employ only native English-speaking writers. LIE.
They claim to hire only Master- and Doctoral-level writers. LIE.
They claim to have been providing papers through their site(s), actively, since 1997. LIE.

There is absolutely no proof that that LLC listing is, in fact, THEIR company. They could have easily stolen another company's name. It's happened many times before with foreign essay companies like EssayRelief. (If I type "Google, Inc." at the bottom of my new Web site, does that mean I own Google"?) However, I'll bite. Take note of the date of incorporation (02/03/06) for "UNIVERSAL RESEARCH LLC." That's a tad later than 1997, don't you think? You also claim that the other LLCs and corporations listed are EssayWriters' "former" corporations? Sorry, but you're either lying, or tragically misled by EssayWriters.net.

By the way, I, or anyone else on the planet, can open an LLC in 30 minutes at BizFilings.com!

First I would like to address a typo. That site doesn't list all the LLC's the company in question owned. In my haste I assumed the other names on the list were old names as all the other listing were inactive. I did catch my mistake but Amy replied before I could edit it.

As for the possibility that they stole the name. I Just did an online search and the only companies that show under that name belong to the same people who own Essay Writers. And for the record Virginia is the only state where the theft can take place so if you find one in another state it doesn't count. However, for a fee you can obtain a copy of the LLC and that will remove any doubt as to the owner of the LLC. I will purchase it in the morning when they open.

You can further research this at The State Department on a federal level. They will have information on file about the ownership of this company since it is international.

They claim to be American - LIE.

In a sense they aren't lying, again, it's a business thing

They claim to hire ONLY Master- and Doctoral-level writers - LIE

You are lying. We went over this in another thread and by your own evidence you were proven wrong due to the fact they used the word "most".

I'm sure the native language speaking thing has a "most" in there somewhere.

They claim to have been providing papers through their site(s), actively, since 1997.

You can't say that statement is false. You haven't done the research to make this claim false. They could've and probably had other company names doing the same or similar thing that makes this statement true. In order to disprove that statement you would need to obtain every name they've done business of this nature under and compare them to the dates and even then, as I explained before, it really doesn't mean much one way or another.

By the way, I, or anyone else on the planet, can open an LLC in 30 minutes at BizFilings.com.

Amy you're grasping at straws here. That is a state website. That LLC is registered by the state and on the states computer. If you've had any dealing with state government you know nothing takes 30minutes to do... and you're certainly not going to get them to fudge a date. Also, I can tell you from personal experience that you can't file and LLC on line. They require actual documentation.

Sweetheart, you have a serious problem and you need help. You're mean and vindictive toward foreign writers and this site. You're desperately trying to maintain that these people are crooks in spite of all the holes that have been shot in your claims. I'm sure I'm not the only one who notices how personal you're taking this. I would love to know what they really did to you to warrant such hatred. You remind me of one of my daughters when they're trying to convince me they're right about something they know they're wrong about. You really need to push away from the table on this subject because all this anger is going to burn you up, or worse. There are serious legal issues you could be facing. I've already proven you to be libelous on two points here. I'm sure if I keep looking I could find more.

Whatever happened you need to let it go and move on with your life. Nothing you do is going to put these people out of business. For every writer you chase away from that site three will be there to take their place. They have the pulse of writers and they know how to exploit them. They aren't breaking any laws in doing so, they're just doing business. The only one acting in an unethical manner is you.

You've crossed the line. You're calling me a liar? No matter how much you try to defend your EssayWriters buddies, I will shoot you down EVERY TIME.


Let's see you bulls-i* your way out of this one. From the essaywriters.net[DND*]HOME PAGE:

"No compromise for quality.
Our company cooperates only with certified writers, MD holders, professors, researchers and editors. All of them are native English speakers, proficient in their specific area. They always observe the citing and reference rules to prevent the suspicion of plagiarism."

- bestessays .com

The claims and statements on a Web site's home page override statements anywhere else on the site. Now, would you like to call me a "liar" again?

FYI, it is THEIR OWN DEFINITION of "quality" that makes them criminals (among many other deviant acts). They tell American consumers that their service is "quality" BECAUSE they only employ native English-speaking writers. THAT IS FRAUD, MY FRIEND! You can't polish a turd. They are what they are--CROOKS! You have absolutely no legitimate defense. You can try to pull some bulls-i* out of your arse, but everyone can see the truth. The more you defend these con-artists, the more you become suspect.


As I clearly stated and you DENIED (and ultimately lied), anyone can open an LLC--online--in 30 minutes:

bizfilings.com/products/llc.asp


I almost fell out of my chair reading this part. It's so ludicrous that a detailed counter isn't even necessary.

My mistake for taking you at YOUR word; at that time I assumed you researched your claims. My comments on their claims were based on a post earlier in this thread. You're the one who posted the quotes not me. Legally speaking the claims on a website's home page doesn't override statements elsewhere on the site. The law requires that all pertinent information be present. The information on the homepage is qualified within the site and falls under the same protection and interpretations as "fine-print" on a contract. Call a lawyer and spend the money to be advised before you go making claims you know nothing about that could potentially hurt a person or company - unethical behavior.

FYI it is your persistent propensity to call these people criminals in the face of evidence to the contrary that screams "agenda" on your part. If you're so sure they are in fact criminals please file a suit. I assure you based on your arguments your suit wouldn't survive summary judgment.

"They tell American consumers that their service is "quality" because they only employ native..." That's a criminal act to you? That warrants your wrath? I was watching a commercial for bottled water in our country that told me their water was the best quality because they only use a specific filtering process... I know for a fact that they also bottle several different brands of water that don't make such a claim. It's the same water. Bottled at the same plant. Sits in the same containment tanks. Does this make them criminal? They charge more for the "specially filtered" water even though the cheaper water is filtered too. Are they crooks? The parent company is based overseas. Are they criminally negligent because they're marketing to Americans. By your standard, yes. By a legal standard, no. Somewhere along the line the water is filtered by this specific process which makes their claim legal just as somewhere along the line they do have native English speaking writers. You're trying to take semantics and spin them into a crusade; another piece of evidence that you are personally invested in your quest - unethical behavior.


Sorry but my statement is less misleading than anything you've posted about Essay Writers. I live in Ohio. I have a LLC registered in this state. I tried to do it online but the state wouldn't accept it. They require actual paper documentation with my signature in order for the LLC to be legitimate. There is no way at all to get that documentation to the in 30 minutes as you claim. I called customer support at the website you listed and asked what was the fastest they could set up an LLC in Ohio and Virginia. Their expedited service was the fastest they offered. Ohio takes 7 to 10 days and Virginia takes 48 hours but you wouldn't have documentation for up to 2 weeks. Feel free to contact them to verify this information 800-981-7183. Here is the emailed information from Bizfilings:

Tony,

Thank you contacting BizFilings regarding your formation needs and timeframes.

Our typical timeframe for expedited orders is 7-10 business days. Non expedited orders typically take 4-6 weeks.
The expedited service is available in our standard and complete formation orders, or can be added to the basic formation package.

Virginia offers a 48 RUSH filing service for an additional $300. This means the filing will be processed with the state within 48 hours, however Virginia is a delayed state and taking about two weeks to send out the state filed documentation. So, you will have the formation date within 48 hours, then the documentation in about 2 weeks.

Please contact our office directly at 1.800.981.7183 or by replying to this email if you have any other questions, or if we can be of further assistance.

Sincerely,
Myhia Fosshage
Customer Service Representative
BizFilings
1-800-981-7183 ext. 224
608-827-5300 ext. 224
608-827-5501 Fax
bizfilings

Ohio and Virginia are the only two states that are relevant here. Ohio because my statement was made based on my experience here and Virginia because that is the state where the LLC in question is from. You're comment about the 30 minute LLC was to imply that maybe Essay Writer's people read this thread and created the LLC to cover their rears. As I pointed out before that LLC is on file with the state and even if they just got the LLC you can't coax the state into fudging the activation date. Just another piece of evidence to support my claim that you have a personal agenda and you're willing to use misinformation and misdirection to make you seem right - unethical behavior.

You also implied they could be using a stolen name. I contacted Virginia and they verified the ownership of the LLC. I researched the ownership and Essay Writers was among the list of other companies owned by the ownership of the LLC in question. IN short, it isn't a stolen name as you implied. Yet another example of the company not breaking the law as you claimed they are. Take the time, if you wish to argue this, to do a little research before popping off at the mouth, or keyboard in this case. It appears at no time did you look at anything with an objective eye. You see only what you want to see to help you build your case with reckless abandon - Unethical behavior.

The long and the short of it is that nothing is going to back you down. My statements are easily verified by minor research where yours differs with every post. If a neutral reader happened across this thread they could easily determine who here has the real agenda here. I have been balanced with my support and condemnation of this particular company. Read that as, I have said both good and bad things about them. You on the other hand can't make the same claim - ethical behavior. You have been steadfast in your unsubstantiated accusations of criminal activity even in the face of evidence exonerating them - unethical behavior.

This site is littered with your hateful statements toward writers from other countries. Your comments to and about these writers borders, if not crosses, the line between racisms and prejudice. What is even more concerning is you don't even realize just how mean and hateful your comments are; a hallmark of most racists. You're also guilty of posting thousands of words of hate and venom toward overseas essay companies who market to American clientele. You and a couple others are trying to spin me as a company rep but I need do no such spinning to expose you as a person with some sort of vengeful vendetta against these companies and "ESL" writers. Your hate and anger are tantamount to intolerance and that is the most unethical a person can get.

In the end you're nothing more than a person with an axe to grind with this company. Somewhere along the line the company did something to you that drove you crazy. I'd be suspect of any reason you'd post, as seldom do people as crazed as you reveal the real reasons for their insanity. On more than one occasion you've purposely conveyed false or twisted information to support your claims that these people are criminally negligent. I've done my best to dispel your half-truths and outright lies. Not because I have a vested interest in this company but because it is fair and just to do so. I'm sure you'll hit the keyboard, foaming at the moth, to attempt to spew more misinformation in an attempt to prove your personal feelings about this company are how this company does business - unethical behavior.

Punching holes in your "evidence" is rather simple as the truth doesn't support you. You say an LLC can be obtained in 30min and I've proven that statement wrong. You claimed that they didn't have an LLC on file and I've proved that wrong and provided you and other readers the direction to follow to see for themselves. You've claimed they have intentionally mislead the public and I've shown you, in your own evidence, how that isn't so. The list goes on and on. You consistently show yourself as someone who has a personal vendetta and a person who is willing to do anything to provide support for her personal crusade against this company. In the business world and in the real world that is textbook unethical behavior.

REBUTTAL
"There's a member at essay fraud ("paperchasefraud") who has the legal knowledge to tear apart Essay Writers' bogus incorporation claims. He did just that to MasterPapers, which also happens to be based in Ukraine."

AMAZING!!! How matters are so twisted to suit people's vested interests and affiliations, rather prejudices.

I will spell it out for everybody-the incorporation and registration of the Articles of Organization of Master Papers is DULY approved by the Division of Corporations of NY.The very link provided there shows that MP is duly registered

appsext8.dos.state.ny.us/corp_public/corpsearch.entity_search_entry

and as copied and pasted here:
NYS Department of StateDivision of Corporations
Search Results
________________________________________
Only one entity was found.
Entity Name
MASTERPAPERS LLC

I attached links of the Articles of MP and the pertinent Federal and State Laws to explain perhaps the seeming confusion of that forum and of yourself as to the addresses stated therein.

The first address that stated is
41 State Street
Suite 106
Albany, New York 12207

This happens to be the office of the process agent as appearing in the Articles and in the links provided, i.e. Colby Service, BBB.org

And I quote myself, "all the above was complied WITH IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAW."

What is left is the office address appearing on the website
Munroe, Topsham. This office address appears to be a private residence based on the information gathered as stated.
HOWEVER, THE LAW does not require actual physical location of an office thereat-THE DIVISION OF CORPORATIONS NY ONLY MAINTAIN COUNTY LOCATION.
Corporate papers are legal. What is so important with a mere office? This LLC is a domestic one and can be reached through the pprocess/registered agent as specified. That is the reason why the law requires process agent's address to be specified in the Articles.

The investigation was limited to Master Papers ONLY. No one is clairvoyant to say that I intend to do it with the rest. WHY? Because I found the truth about what others call the 'essay slag fest.' The truth is so easy to unravel--it is right at the tip of noses. (such selective blindness).

I agree with you Rat, it may be easy to file for incorporation of an LLC but surely there are other documentary evidence legalzoom.com/LLC/Virginia-LLC-Formation.

These filings/documents once approved by the State would enjoy the presumption of regularity. Such legal presumption CANNOT be overthrown by self-serving, unsubstantiated personal assertions.

A criminal is one who has been adjudged as committing a crime by the court. Anything short of that is an imputation of crime and therefore malicious and defamatory.

I am no longer a member of the forum that has been alluded to. The link of my last post

essayfraud/forum/index.php?showtopic=340

My last message of April 9 at 01:40pm was ALTERED-NOT BY ME -it was cut and these symbols were inserted '#$%%"' It was a good thing that I took a screenshot of it after I posted my message and asked another person to attest to it.

To everyone, HENCEFORTH, everything that is published, written, or any email bearing that name should not directly or indirectly be attributable to me.

Finally, in my post here on 'calling a spade . . . a spade, yet another perspective' I referred to fraud in the generic sense. Fraud may be about that which some may have claimed to have happened to them or fraud which is deception of people by making unsubstantiated, unverified claims about others, those that accuse and label others without evidence-accusations which may proceed from motives, personal or otherwise.

I am for fairness and the level playing field. I choose to fight my battles in court so that I can shred every bit of evidence.

I bow to your greatness. I've been trying to figure out a way to articulate that point.

I take this with all humility. Wisdom and truth are values to be shared to everyone--like what you have unselfishly been doing for the past days.

you do what you can, I suppose.

'Slander is the revenge of a coward, and dissimulation of his defense.' (Samuel Johnson)

Never throw mud. You may miss your mark, but you will have dirty hands.

I reiterate from my above post,----------To everyone, HENCEFORTH, everything that is published, written, or any email bearing that name should not directly or indirectly be attributable to me.

I rest my case.

Given Amy's silence I believe I can rest mine too.

Rat289, what's your point? Beating around the bush with legal terminologies and arguments won't deny the fact that your writing site still falsely claimed that all their writers are native English speakers.

Nothing wrong with ESL writers by themselves--some could even write better than so-called native ones--but misrepresentation is unethical plain and simple. It's lying and business is never an excuse to mislead fellow human beings!

Pious, it's not my site. I have nothing to do with it at all.


That was just a minor point in her entire argument. She was running around claiming they were crooks when in fact there was no such evidence that they were. THAT'S what I took issue with. There are many reasons for that claim being on their site. Most of those hinted toward an oversight, misunderstanding or even incompetence... none of those reasons hint toward criminal action. I make that assertion because the rest of their claims were accurate albeit barely so at times.

As I said, she condemned them without researching and she misrepresented "evidence" and manufactured it when she needed to. That is unfair no matter what sort of suspicious persons they may or may not be. In the end her unfounded claims were steering aspiring writers away from what could be a valuable lesson for them, a confidence builder or supplemental income. In any event all this was an effort to provide accurate information to those people so they could make a well informed decision, not to defend the site.

LOL. I am the one who made that claim. Rat is the liar who claimed that it is IMPOSSIBLE to start an LLC online.

pious, this "rat" character is a pro. He'll twist your FACTS and EVIDENCE of fraud and use your words against you, attempting to displace the focus on his criminal friends. He'll respond with a 5,000-word onslaught of legal mumbo-jumbo and misleading gibberish.

Every time I prove rat wrong with FACTS, he tries to weezle out of it and switch focus onto me by calling me "prejudice" and "hateful." That's his game. Remember, children, never let facts get in the way of an unjust defense!

Rat, I'm really tired of your garbage. You're a spin doctor of the highest order, and it's quite clear to everywhere that your agenda is anything but impartial. You know damn well what I meant by "30 minutes." STOP PLAYING GAMES. It only makes you seem ignorant and in cooperation with EssayWriters. (What can I expect from a person who jumped into this argument not even knowing what "ESL'" represents!) Of course it takes time to PROCESS with the state AFTER the 30 minutes or so that it takes to PAY BizFilings to start the process! A CHIMP WOULD TAKE THAT FACT FOR GRANTED. I specifically referred to the TIME that it takes for one to START an LLC while sitting behing a keyboard in Ukraine. You, of course, already know that, but you like to spin in order to distract consumers and freelance writers from the FACTS about EssayWriters' neverending scams.


Now THAT is a knee-slapper!

I think I am one such. Thanks to both rat and paperchaser for your well-balanced comments and the extraordinary perseverence you've exhibitted in uncovering the facts. The posts on this furum have been dominated by Amy this far, and until the last sequence of posts I myself was quite convinced that essaywriters.net was not a legally incorporated entity at all. I'm grateful to have a fuller account of the facts.

I'm still a little puzzled about the Ukranian connection though. I believe it began with one of Amy's posts based on translations of a Russian forum. Is there any truth at all to that claim?

Frankly, I'm surprised that people would take as must trouble as you have in the pursuit of something of seemingly trifle importance - a dispassionate conclusion. That is not, however, to cast aspersions on your motives - rather to commend your sense of integrity and fairness. (I really hope you're not from essaywriters.net!)

Whilst everyone else who had a complaint against essaywriters.net has substantiated it with anecdote, I don't believe Amy has. Perhaps its time for her to come out with her story. I still don't think Amy is racist. From her perpetual state of high excitement, or in the way she fiercely defends attacks against her qualifications, and now in the way that she cannot admit a mistake, I think it is easy to conclude that she only suffers from immaturity.

One last thing, I'd like to tender an apology for the anti-American jibes in my post in the "calling a spade" thread. It must not have been pleasant for the two of you to read and was entirely inappropriate on my part.

Reading Comprehension 101:

What was said...

"I agree with you Rat, it may be easy to file for incorporation of an LLC but surely there are other documentary evidence legalzoom.com/LLC/Virginia-LLC-Formation.html These filings/documents once approved by the State would enjoy the presumption of regularity. Such legal presumption CANNOT be overthrown by self-serving, unsubstantiated personal assertions."

What was meant...

He agreed with you and your implication that it is simple to establish a LLC but that was all he was agreeing with you about. That is evident with the word "but" which is where he left the Amy which hunt in favor of my points about the legitimacy of the company and their right to do business with you unjustly accusing of committing crime.

Amy at no time have you presented anything that would withstand the most charitable definition of evidence. You latched onto an apparent oversight and built a case against them based solely on your personal opinion and apparent prejudice. I had to launch 5000 word posts because wherever I left any ambiguity you twisted it around and framed it as evidence. In several posts with you on this and other threads I listened to your "evidence" and set forth proving or disproving it. Had you're evidence been true I would have been right there with you condemning the site. The simple fact is that everything you presented didn't withstand the litmus that evidence must hold up under and without that standard we have no choice but to side with the company and not you. You may very well be right about them; however, you haven't made your case, it's that simple. Even Baltar was acquitted because the evidence wasn't there.

No Amy, I didn't know what you meant. I doubt you knew. Once, you claimed that I wasn't on your level behind a keyboard. I agree with you. I would've made it crystal clear what I meant by "30 minutes". In the context of the post you were inferring that they quickly ran out and created and LLC to cover their rear. You call me a spinster but you've twisted everything you had shot down just as you're trying to change the meaning of your post now that you were proven wrong; yet again. Go through and read your posts and my replies. Mine are facts to dispute your posts which are the same four points worded many different ways in a vain effort to prove a company that wronged you corrupt. Why don't you come clean with us, what did this company or people do to you that hurt you so deeply? If you want us to believe you're acting in an ethical manner you MUST disclose that information? Do you keep the real reason for your motivation private because you know that people knowing it would destroy what little credibility you have left?

Yes, I didn't know what ESL stood for when this started but unlike you when I didn't know something I didn't make up an answer that suited my position, I asked questions and looked for the truthful answer. This entire debate has been done on the fly, due in part to your lies and half-truths. When you do something like this in this manner, mistakes are bound to happen. I noted when I made mistakes or misquotes, you have not. How can you call me biased when you won't admit your mistakes?

This is nothing more than another tactic Amy employs when she can't twist my words against me.

In closing I will leave it to whoever comes across this thread during their research of this company. There is enough truth here to disprove your lies and show you as nothing more than a scorned woman out to make that company pay for hurting her. If I were to draw their attention to anything I would draw it to your declaration that this company had no LLC on file. Then I would point them to the post which not only stated they did, in fact, have an LLC on file but also had the link and instructions to prove it. That and a little commonsense will go a long way in relegating you and your allegations to insignificant status.

In another point that may help prove I'm not affiliated with this company in any way I will say this: If I were affiliated, Amy would be on the receiving end of a libel lawsuit, this website would be named as a co-defendant for allowing her to run unchecked making such damaging statements. In addition to the lawsuit you would've never seen on post by me as most of my information would be the evidence used to prove her guilty and the site guilty of contributory negligence.

I've said all I need to say on this matter. This will give you an opportunity to twist my words once again and have the last word on the matter. Not all people are as delusional and devoid of commonsense as you are. Sometimes I forget that. I won't change your mind no matter what proof I present or how many times I prove you wrong. I've done my bid for God and Country, if just one person avoids making a decision based on your lies and half-truths it was worth the effort.

I'm not sure if she's correct about this either. When your research has to cross an ocean things slow down. When that information gets to my desk I will make sure to let you know either way.

Too often in this country is the loudest considered the one telling the truth. Sadly that sort of tactic is employed when a person can't make their case.

Make no mistake about it, had Amy's claims turned out to be true I would've been right there with her demanding this company be put out of business.

I would agree with you and add that she also has some insecurity issues.

I took no offense. I firmly believe in a persons right to feel how they want and to voice their feelings accordingly. Not to mention you were provoked.

One last thing I forgot to put in the above post... I didn't see it on my clipboard when I was proofing.

On a different thread an ESL writer asked this question:

Post #2 answered his question and was completely on topic.

This was Amy's answer to his question:

This is the same theme over and over again from her. With every question put on the forum she makes sure she posts something to that effect. How can she say she has no agenda? I'm sure she'll be able to twist it into relevance

Rat, OPEN YOUR EYES. Can you not see that he TYPED "rat," not "Amy"? Wow--you make your living as a WRITER?

Rat, how much is essaywriters.net paying you to be their "typing head"?

Again, how much is essaywriters.net paying you to be their "typing head"? I'm not the only one wondering.

"essaywriters.net holds a five-year experience in operating in the research industry and is entitled to produce genuine and exclusive pieces of writing and content."

thejobspider.com/job/view-job-1946503.html

LOL! What?

That is a quote from "Paul Jones," one of many "apple pie" Americans with perfect writing skills who work for essaywriters.net.

Oh, almost forgot:

"Whether with experience or with burning desire to improve writing skills and find the ways to achieve your goals, essaywriters.net will gladly welcome writers, journalists, content writers, and college students possessing research and writing skills on our impressively large and friendly team."

Hmmm, this doesn't seem to jive with the "Master or PhD only" promises to CUSTOMERS on the Best Essays and Superior Papers Web sites.

Of course, rat would have everyone believe that this isn't consumer fraud.

3 posts since Rat and I asked for your story and there's STILL no response.

Rat, how much is essaywriters.net paying you to be their "typing head"?

Ok, let's try this again. Please use your eyes and engage your brain as I explain this quote to you again...


The part he is agreeing with me on is with my fight agianst your assault against a company without any substantial evidence.

"Such legal presumption CANNOT be overthrown by self-serving, unsubstantiated personal assertions." Hasn't that been my position all along? It for sure hasn't been yours, it still isn't yours.

Again you're only seeing what you want and trying to pass off made up evidence agian. YOU claim to be a writer. Is that not a paragraph? The last sentence of the paragraph is the conclusion; the first sentence his position...

I agree with you rat, Such legal presumption CANNOT be overthrown by self-serving, unsubstantiated personal assertions. which was the point of my argument. The rest of the paragraph was filler to qualify and emphasise the final sentence. Christ Amy, that's one of the first lessons we learn in grammar class.

"it may be easy to file for incorporation of an LLC" what's missing in this fragment is the tagline of "as Amy claims". However, the tagline isn't needed because of the placement of "may" and "but" in the sentence. If you're as skilled a writer as you claim to be you would've seen this. Perhaps some of this forums writers could verify this.

I find it funny that out of a 2000 (est.) word post that paticular thing was the only thing you can find to comment on.

As for your inflamitory comment that I am a paid rep of that company... find a way to send a private message on this forum or direct me to another forum and I will give you my contact information, real name and just for good messure my accountant's number so you can verify that no money I recieve comes from them or any other company they own or are involved with. I have no problem allowing you to troll around in my world to satisfy your doubt about my motive, do you have the ethics to come here and say you were wrong about my motives or will you just twist things around and begin slamming me as you are that company?

Consider your punk card pulled. If you fail to take up my offer then you have no place questioning my motives. And you know what else, screw proofing this post, you can deal with the typos and miscues of spelling!

He typed:

"I agree with you Rat, it may be easy to file for incorporation of an LLC [online]"

He SHOULD have typed:

"I agree with you Amy, it may be easy to file for incorporation of an LLC [online]"

I am the one who stated that is is EASY. You stated that it is IMPOSSIBLE.

You are wrong. I am right. End of story.

I'm not surprised that you COMPLETELY IGNORED my post.

Thank you for proving my point Amy. You're only paying attention to the words you feel will help you and ignoring the rest because they go against you. I suspect when he sees this he will set you straight. You go on trying to frame this very minor issue as a victory for you, it doesn't matter to me nor does it take away from the fact that your opinion of that company is just that... an opinion; not fact.

With that I am out of this discussion. I'm sure Amy will post some half-baked interpretation of my latest post and I just want to let all who are reading this, know that my lack of a reply isn't in any way, shape or form me conceding her point. It does mean that all that needs to be said on this topic has been said and I will not indulge her warped definition of evidence.

I'm sure by now most of you realize what she stands for and what lengths she'll go to just to pass her personal feelings off as fact. Reasoning with a person emotionally charged as Amy is pointless. She's only going to see what she wants and she will continue to ignore reason. She will continue to see only the few words she can twist in her favor and ignore the many words that go against her. She is neither fair or balanced in her opinions and as such nobody should give them any credence. I would suggest you approach any comment she makes on any topic as you would approach one made by a child.

I've seen this type of person before. Usually they turn out to be a kid trying to play in the adult world. I highly doubt she holds the job of editor as she claimed in a post. I'd even be willing to go as far to say she is more than likely a high school student playing around. It is the only thing that makes sense given her actions throughout this site. Only a kid or mentally ill person would conduct themselves in such a manner. Be sure to understand that I am not passing this off as fact, only my opinion.

I've thrown down the gauntlet. I have given her an invitation to check me out till her heart's content. She is free to review the small mountain of research I've done involving this argument and she is free to post her conclusions here minus my real name. The only condition I have is that she is honest and ethical in doing so, both traits I feel she doesn't possess due to her adolescent age.

I'm inclined to believe likewise. There are of course worse conclusions that may be drawn from her irrational fears and unfounded anger - some forms of psychosis for instance. But "adolescent" seems more likely.

I think from the most recent discussion it is very obvious that she lacks basic comprehension skills. She's skilled with words the manner of a plumber - knowing where all the stops and commas go, but without understanding.

I'm signing off here too.
Bye.

Rat, you're just upset because you know, deep down in that black heart of yours, that I am a better writer. It must be difficult for you to know that you've been labeled "washed up."

I also see that you are a SNIVELLING COWARD, having TWICE ignored posts 364 and 368. I'm not shocked at all, considering the fact that you have NO DEFENSE for the proof of fraud contained therein.

By the way, that was a cool, calculated tactic in telling everyone that you are "done responding" so that you can conveniently avoid having to respond to posts 364 and 368.

Gibreel, you're an incredible loser. Go write some more essays to help children cheat. Your parents must be proud.

LOL.

Hmmm, I'm sure it's pure coincidence that both Rat and Gibreel signed up for this forum on April 12, immediately attacking me and defending EssayWriters.net.

My last post to tie ends . . .
You are absolutely correct Rat in your analysis-that is exactly how I meant it.

And additionally, there are substantial documentary requirements before an LLC application can be approved by the State-one of which are IRS forms properly filled out and submitted. And by the way, Rat to support your independent and objective assessment, the laws also allow foreign LLCs, too.

Quite speculative-mere conjectures! With you, your world seems to have been reduced to two factions only. BUT there is the wide-middle consisting of independent minded and objective people who are NOT content with 'tainted' information rammed down their throats by yourself and by others. Anyone who seems to oppose the faction you are affiliated to is subject to your baseless and unwarranted suspicions.

Why the hot-brand 'ESL'? More absurd is the label-'ESL with poor grammar skills'-why not a label UNQUALIFIED WRITERS? You see, US Supreme Court ruled that in order for a classification to be not violative of the equal protection clause, it must be reasonable and proper(McDONALD v. BOARD OF ELECTION, 394 U.S. 802 (1969) A classification was "suspect" if it was based on a group's race, ethnicity, or religion-essentially the "discrete and insular minorities"(United States v. Carolene Products Co.) supremecourthistory.org/05_learning/subs/05_e.html

Why the label of your so called 'foreign sites and foreign writers'? How does this look like withconcepts of globalization and Foreign governments' bilateral agreements for outsourcing of labor.Who are you to dictate and interfere with the capitalist's prerogative to choose and select their personnel?

Rat, perhaps she is motivated by deep-seated anger and hate yet it is also possible that she is only working for whatever token is given to her to fight the 'cause' as dictated by others.

Verily, those who are fearful and have doubts, do your own investigation and research-for truth is right at the tip of your noses. The so called 'self-appointed watchdogs' need some watching to do too.

Rat, you say you're not with Essaywriters. But why all the interest in defending the site's business interest, of all things? You even allowed yourself to be drawn into a nasty debate with Amy.

paperchasefraud, are you actually telling me that you MEANT to type "Rat" instead of "Amy"? How is that possible, considering the fact that I--ME, MYSELF, PERSONALLY, AMY--am the one who stated that it is EASY TO OPEN AN LLC ONLINE? Rat is the one who stated that it is "impossible," which is an utter lie to which he FAILS to admit. So, how could you possibly have stated that you "agree with rat" that it is easy to open an LLC online when he stated the EXACT OPPOSITE, unless that was an error on your part? (If you meant something else, you should have italicized or bolded "you.")

By the way, are you also a coward? Why ignore posts 364 and 368? Where's your legal diatribe of non-applicable, legal jargon to defend their irrefutable fraud?

As I have stated 1,000,000 times previously, my position has NOTHING--now, open your eyes and READ--to do with prejudice, racism, or geography. If I were "racist," I'd admit such. An "ESL writer with poor grammar skills" is ANY person of ANY skin tone or ANY religion (from Pakistan, Germany, Spain, India, Ireland, Sweden, etc.) who uses flawed grammar, syntax, word use, spelling, punctuation, etc. when writing in the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. As a general rule, they tend to work for much lower wages than qualified, native English-speaking writers from America or Great Brtitain because it is more difficult for them to get work as a result of their flawed skills in English language writing. The fact that these less-than-qualified writers accept a FRACTION of the compensation that American or British professionals makes them very attractive to the foreign companies, like bestessays, whose owners are also ESL. Here's the key: do these "foreign sites" admit that they hire "ESL writers with poor grammar"? NO, they don't! In fact, they blatantly LIE to the American public that they hire "ONLY native English-speaking writers." WHY DO THEY LIE? They know perfectly well that average, American customers do not want to hire a researcher with WORSE writing skills than themselves! So, the crooks at EssayWriters.net hire STUDENTS and ANY ESL WRITER WITH A KEYBOARD, as long as he or she will work cheaply, and then EssayWriters.net turns around and lies to the public--on bestessays.com and superiorpapers.com--that ALL of their writers are "native English speakers with a Master or PhD degree."AGAIN, WHY DO THEY LIE? Lying enables BestEssays.com and SuperiorPapers.com to charge a lower fee to clients than any of the legitimately-operating companies based on American or British soil. Do they care when customers complain about the terrible grammar in the final product? No.

paperchasefraud, can you please show me--IN ANY ONE OF MY HUNDREDS OF POSTS--where I have stated that globalization or outsourcing should stop?

I have clearly and consistently referred to "foreign sites." Why? All of the fraudulent sites in question just happen to be "foreign sites." Is that MY fault? Show me ONE American company in the industry that contains purposely deceptive statements in their copy, and I'll be HAPPY to tear them apart, too!

The simple fact is the owners of American companies know that they can't get away with such blatant misrepresentation, deception, bait-and-switch tactics, and false advertising because they live on American soil and are bound by American laws and possible penalties. The owners of the foreign companies in question--bestessays.com, superiorpapers.com, essayrelief.com, masterpapers.com, etc.--have no such boundaries or fears.

IS THIS EXPLANATION OF MY TERMINOLOGY CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU, paperchasefraud?

I'm sorry if people have interpreted my statements as prejudice. From this point forward, there should be no such misinterpretation.

You are so stupid it isn't even funny. Keep splitting those hairs, somebody may think you're right sooner or later.


Pious, I get all bent out of shape whenever somebody is passing false information about anything, one or business. Writer's love to argue, just one of my personality traits as my jumping in posting this shows. And I agree with you; this was a nasty debate and I shouldn't have let myself to be drawn into it. When I saw the nasty way she talked to ESL writers I was angered; that sort of prejudice shouldn't be left unchecked. I have a question for you.

What is the difference anyway if I were associated with them? Have I not been truthful and accurate with my statements? Have I not corrected myself when they were wrong? If I were associated with them why did it take me so long to locate the LLC? Wouldn't I have been able just to make a call to ask my "boss" (Amy, the quotes around boss mean that I am speaking hypothetically and not literally; however, I'm sure you'll find a way to twist this into me admitting to being invested). More importantly, wouldn't I have access to records involving Amy and what they "did" to her and publish that information to show her true motives? Why would I limit my defense to just this company, why not the parent company and all the companies they own or manage? I mean there are so many holes in the entire argument that I have any involvement with this company. Don't be as blinded as Amy is to the truth; don't give in to her tactics of misdirection.

I find it funny how she's arguing with someone who she used as proof to support her claim with what they meant in the words that person posted. Given a choice between believing someone who wrote something and someone who merely read and interpreted that writing, I would side with the author every time; surely they know what they meant when they were writing it.

Amy, I have addressed the points in both those posts on more than one occasion with you and on more than one thread. I'm sorry if you either didn't see them because they proven you wrong or distorted by you, yet again or you didn't understand my reply. You had four points for your claims I addressed over six points... it's been covered; however, keep implying that I didn't, for sure someone will believe you that my "ignoring" them makes everything I said a lie.


Yet another example of you seeing only what you want and misinterpreting something someone said. I NEVER said it is difficult to register an LLC, which I've proven to be true, I never said it wasn't easy. When you posted that anybody can file and LLC online in 30 minutes I did tell you that it is impossible to do so. I was just about to clarify my point but after seeing the forms from bizfilings you need in either state to file I would love to meet the person who can fill in all that information in under and hour let alone half that time. I suppose if they used the same half-assed research and detail to truth and acuracy they could, but most of us don't work that way.



These are all of the mentions I made that in any way can be interpreted as me attesting to the ease or difficulty in creating LLC's. Where exactly do I say they are difficult? Please, point it out to me without using your wild imagination in interpreting my words.

Why would I? I've done it. All you need to do is fill out the paperwork, send it in and wait. Learn to understand what you read before trying to pick it apart sweetheart. What you are doing here is trying to develop credibility by getting hung up on a semantic. What relevance is there even IF your interpretation is the right one? In your eyes if you are right it will prove the rest of my argument wrong. In truth, the rest of his statement is true. Don't get your underwear in a bunch, nobody has taken away the fact that you did in fact say setting up an LLC is easy, just as I said that the existence of an LLC brings a certain level of legitimacy to the company.


The last person to know they are prejudice is a person who is so. If you were able to insert such objectivity into your life we wouldn't be having this debate at all*.

*Subtext definition: Since you are incapable of understand true meaning out of a statement I will spell it out. That sentence means if you were able to be objective enough to determine you weren't prejudiced you would be able to be objective enough to view the facts and admit YOU ARE WRONG!

Ok, I know, she drew me into this again. I meant to reply to pious but couldn't help pointing out more of her ridiculous comments. Sorry, my bad.

[quote=rat289]You have NEVER addressed this NEW evidence in 364 and 368! Coward.
Since rat is a coward and award-winning spinner, here is my point once again:

"An "ESL writer with poor grammar skills" is ANY person of ANY skin tone or ANY religion (from Pakistan, Germany, Spain, India, Ireland, Sweden, etc.) who uses flawed grammar, syntax, word use, spelling, punctuation, etc. when writing in the ENGLISH LANGUAGE. As a general rule, they tend to work for much lower wages than qualified, native English-speaking writers from America or Great Brtitain because it is more difficult for them to get work as a result of their flawed skills in English language writing. The fact that these less-than-qualified writers accept a FRACTION of the compensation that American or British professionals makes them very attractive to the foreign companies, like bestessays, whose owners are also ESL. Here's the key: do these "foreign sites" admit that they hire "ESL writers with poor grammar"? NO, they don't! In fact, they blatantly LIE to the American public that they hire "ONLY native English-speaking writers." WHY DO THEY LIE? They know perfectly well that average, American customers do not want to hire a researcher with WORSE writing skills than themselves! So, the crooks at essaywriters.net hire STUDENTS and ANY ESL WRITER WITH A KEYBOARD, as long as he or she will work cheaply, and then essaywriters.net turns around and lies to the public--on bestessays.com and superiorpapers.com--that ALL of their writers are "native English speakers with a Master or PhD degree."AGAIN, WHY DO THEY LIE? Lying enables bestessays.com and superiorpapers.com to charge a lower fee to clients than any of the legitimately-operating companies based on American or British soil. Do they care when customers complain about the terrible grammar in the final product? No."

Are the ESL writers who work for essaywriters.net bad people? No.

Are they potentially more or less intelligent than me or any other qualified, American/British writer with a Master or PhD degree from an American or Brtitish university? No.

Are they at fault because essaywriters.net purposely mislabels their qualifications to the public? No.

Is the average ESL writer's skills in the English language inferior to mine? Yes.

Are my skills in the Pakistani, Indian, German, or Swedish language inferior to those of qualified, native speakers of those language? Yes, of course!

Could I ever, in good conscience, allow my employer to falsely label my skills to the public as a "native Indian-speaking writer" in order to rip people off? Absolutely not!

Whatever Amy. I went through all 15,000 plus words I've posted on this topic and found several instances where I did. I'm sorry if it wasn't to your satisfaction... again, you're acting like a drowning man clinging to a block of wood in a desperate attempt to save their life... do you get that or do you need me to define the sub-text for you?

Again, you're a side-stepping coward. You haven't addressed 364 and 368, and I will prove it by posting EssayWriters' actual ad and its URL:

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Job Description:
A research company is looking for efficient, responsible, creative and ambitious people to work in one of the leading companies in the industry. essaywriters.net holds a five-year experience in operating in the research industry and is entitled to produce genuine and exclusive pieces of writing and content.

Whether with experience or with burning desire to improve writing skills and find the ways to achieve your goals, essaywriters.net will gladly welcome writers, journalists, content writers, and college students possessing research and writing skills on our impressively large and friendly team.

essaywriters.net gives its employees a wonderful opportunity to grow and improve. With the unique system of bonuses, developed by our HR department you have many opportunities to get additional rewards for excellent work.

Being an employee of EsayWriters.net, you get a wide choice of assignments to work on, two times a moth payment and endless opportunities to increase your level of writing. For more information please visit our site essaywriters.net and hurry to join a friendly team.

Warm regards,
essaywriters.net
**********************

thejobspider.com/job/view-job-1946503.html

Rat, please direct me to the exact posting in this forum in which you defend the blatant fraud in this particular job posting.

Are you freaking out of your mind?? How in any way, shape or form is this fraud? Bad grammar in a couple of places but no fraud. Reading this a normal person would deduce that they are looking for writers with or without experience. They are claiming to be one of the leading companies not the leading company which isn't either a lie or unethical... it's argumentative at best. Since you've proven an inability to process and define OUR native language I'll take a few moments to define it for you.


Hi reader, we are a research company and are looking for some writers. We need you to be responsible, creative and ambitious. If you are you may get a job with us, a leading company in the industry with five years experience in the research industry. We aspire (a common mistake to those foreign to our language is replacing aspire with entitled) to produce genuine and exclusive pieces of writing and content.

As I pointed out what you have here is some poor grammar and a word that easily gets confused in translation. But you know about that confusion because you did the professional thing and researched it.

A side note... I think I know what they did to you. They fired you, didn't they? You're work was sub-standard because you fail to research. You have shown an impressive level of careless research in this thread. If I had to put money on it I'd put it here. Let's go on...


Those with experience or a desire to improve their skills are welcome to apply. Whether you are a writer, journalist, content writer or college student you are welcome to apply and as long as you prove to have good RESEARCH and writing skills you will be able to join our friendly team.

Again, what this is saying is if you don't have the skill-level to satisfy customers you will be shown the door.


Here at Essay Writers you'll have opportunity to grow and improve. We have a unique system of bonuses and rewards for excellent work.

The rest of that block is a failed attempt to punch up the translated point.


As an employee (which technically should be contractor; another grammatical/translation gaff and hardly criminal) you will have a wide choice of assignments and payment twice a month. The second to last sentence is just rehash from a few blocks above. The last sentence... For more information please visit our site then apply... because we have a highly difficult system to navigate here in order to be paid.

I think that last line is what tripped you up. Your propensity to not research things probably led you to NOT read all the rules and regulations, and if you did you probably only saw what you wanted to; just as you ahve done in trying to prove them to be crooks in this thread.

The fact of the matter, as I said before about this... you have nothing here. You can't compare a help add to an advertisement add. By its nature advertisement is to bring you in the door and leaves you there at your own risk. From there they are required to provide all relevant information and it is YOUR job to read it and understand and if you don't understand it, to ask questions that will help you understand. They say ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law just as ignorance is no excuse for getting taken.

I'm sure if we knew the whole story a complete investigation would find YOU not the company to be at fault for your woes. Learn how to understand what you read before you try putting stuff out there for people to read. You are a complete and utter HACK. I'm sorry you don't possess the common sense needed to see the error of your ways. I'm sorry your prejudice blinds you from seeing facts that are in front of your eyes. You're a battlestar fan, I surprised you understand and are able to follow such a complicated show but then again... you may only get it on one level, you may not understand the underlying story lines and character arcs.

You call me a coward? I've offered you a chance to check me out and you've taken a pass. I've requested you post your story... the true one... and still you avoid it. As you told me once before... take a look in the mirror honey and perhaps you'll see how ugly your actions make you look.

Yes, you are a coward. Where's your proof that I "got fired" by essaywriters.net? LOL, nice try! I don't work for chump change, buddy.

I apologize for branding you incorrectly. You are a "clueless coward." You're battling to the last man for a fraudulent company about which you know a grand total of nothing! You have no clue how their sites interweave and work hand-in-hand to rob writers of due income (for reasons they often claim involve poor grammar) and deceive customers by using bait-and-switch tactics (customer orders what he/she is led to believe is a document written by an MBA-holding American, and receives a poorly written document by an ESL STUDENT. You don't see (or choose not to acknowledge simply because you can't stand to agree with me) how they twist wording to fool customers.

Here's a simple, 3-tier breakdown of how essaywriters.net works:

1. essaywriters.net is a "company" that hires just about anybody with a typewriter, including ESL STUDENTS. Other posters here have proven that essaywriters.net will hire even the most unqualified writers. (You can search for these posts, if you'd like.)

2. essaywriters.net owns bestessays.com and superiorpapers.com. Both bestessays.com and superiorpapers.com offer writing services to the public, with the main source of business coming from misled, American consumers. Now, numerous people here have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that essaywriters.net hires unqualified writers and ESL STUDENTS to write the papers that deceived, American consumers order from bestessays.com and superiorpapers.com. In fact, EssayWriters' own employment ads prove the fact that they hire ESL STUDENTS! They openly ASK for amateur students!

3. bestessays.com and superiorpapers.com falsely advertise to the public that they hire "only" or "mostly" native English-speaking, "certified" writers with Master or PhD degrees. But guess who really writes most of the papers. That's right--ESL writers without master degrees and amateur students. Why can't EssayWriters just be honest and state that "We hire mostly ESL writers and students, but we do have a small number of native English-speaking Americans on staff"? Why do they continue to lie after receiving so much heat? Well, if they don't continiue to lie, they know that they won't get orders from the vast majority of American customers! Their income will be cut in half over night!

"Our company cooperates only with certified writers, MD holders, professors, researchers and editors. All of them are native English speakers . . . ."
- bestessays

"Our writers have received education and have gained experience in many fields. Most of them hold Master and PhD degrees, they are world-recognized and highly in demand."

- superiorpapers.com/faq.php

"Native English professionals"
superiorpapers.com/term_paper_writing_services.php

Dozens of ESL writers (including STUDENTS and others with only BA degrees or LESS) who currently work or formerly worked for essaywriters.net have posted in this forum.

What takes the "hypocritical cake" is that these sites actually have the gall to CRITICIZE other companies for hiring ESL ("foreign") writers! Man, you talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Rat, aren't you going to accuse THEM of being prejudice racists for calling out the factual weaknesses of ESL writers? Let's see you justify their calculated hypocrisy, rat! Boy, I can't wait. I just know that this will be your best work yet!

Now, RAT, how can you look at these purposely contradictory statements at essaywriters.net and BestEssays/SuperiorPapers and, with a straight face, state that this does not constitute intentional CONSUMER FRAUD? (Set aside your obvious resentment towards me and answer honestly, as if your mother were asking the question.) I don't want a diatribe. I don't want any topic-switching, focus-switching, or side-stepping. I want a simple answer to this very focused question.

Example 1 of your poor reading comprehension skills. You missed the word that puts this entire block in the context of an OPINION - "think". Chump change? I doubt you work in the industry at all. I bet "would you like fries with that" is a common phrase for you. No professional writer would misinterpret as much text as you have in this thread alone.


I know nothing but yet I have managed to churn up more facts than you have. Just because you have a computer and can spell "google" doesn't mean you are researching. There are avenues you have to take to get to the truth because the truth is seldom in the contents of a webpage and your failure to understand that is the cause of this entire debate. Case in point would be the numerous times you screamed they had no LLC on file; one of those "avenues" led me to discover that they do in fact have an LLC on file. I could go on... but what's the point... you won't accept the amount of mistakes you've made no matter the evidence.

And you have no clue what this debate was about. It was about Essay Writers and whether or not you'll get paid by them. YOU tried to make it about the entire web of overseas companies in this field. YOU were the one who wrongfully accused them of criminal action. YOU were the one who had no proof. YOU were the one who allowed her prejudice to shine through. YOU were the one who has lied on more than one occasion in this thread. YOU are the one who doesn't understand both the burden of proof and how business works. YOU, my dear, are the one who is clueless here, not me.

Some examples of racist/prejudice comments by you in this post alone:


You made your point of this sentence before tossing in the "ESL STUDENTS". Not to mention... all caps! You never miss a chance to put the term ESL in any derogatory sentence when it comes to skill. More comments:


This one is borderline, had you not used ESL in a derogatory manner over 200 times in this thread alone I would've seen nothing wrong with it.


One more hit on ESL students. "Anybody with a typewriter" is more than enough to get your point across to me. I should also point out that when I say get your point across I'm not implying you are right, I mean that you got what was in your head to the page.


Do I really need to go on with your racist/prejudiced comments? Are you beginning to see how you're coming across as seriously biased?


Proof: Any factual evidence that helps to establish the truth of something.
Fact: A statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened.

You have proof of you claim? Facts? Evidence to support the libelous claims you've made about this company. I'm sorry but a few copied pages aren't proof. Don't believe me? Do a little research on the burden of proof or take a $100 bucks and talk to a lawyer for an hour about your claims and your proof. I assure you, you have no proof what-so-ever!


Yes, dozens have posted. Some claimed not to have gotten paid and others have stated they've gotten paid. You in your bias have dismissed EVERYONE who had anything positive to say about Essay Writers. You've called them representatives of the company, crooks too, out to help the company con writers out of money. You've made these claims with absolutely no facts, just your highly uninformed opinion which is also tainted by your serious prejudice and hate.


There is nothing wrong. Nothing what-so-ever with the use of "mostly" in their advertisement. The use of "only" is wrong if they do use writers that aren't native English speaking; however, upon further review they corrected themselves inside their site so no fraud or crime has been commited. In order for there to be a crime there must be damage caused. Clicking on a page isn't damage. If Joe Customer saw they only use PhD writers in their add and goes to the site, reads all the information and learns they use mostly PhD writers, he's been informed, if he decides to do business that is his choice. If he doesn't, he's just out of some time and that is not considered damage. Again your only seeing what you want and ignoring the rest.

AS for the last sentence, they also do have writers with Masters and PhD's working for them. They also have writers with Bachelors, Associates and no degree at all but years of practical experience. Just one more FACT you wouldn't know about because you refuse to research your libelous claims before making them.


Consumer Fraud: Consumer Fraud Consumer Fraud has a formal definition in the law. It is not the same as "unfair" or a "ripoff".

That statement about what consumer fraud is comes straight from Georgetown University Law. With a straight face, the answer to your question is NO. They are required by law to make available all information relevant to the contract they are entering with a consumer and they do. They are required by law to make all relevant information available to all contractors they are entering contracts with and they do. It's a gray area, a slippery slope, but by definition of the law they are doing nothing wrong.

Your problem, or one of them any way, is that you have no idea about presumption of innocence. If you believe they are creating a violation of law you must file a complaint and surrender whatever evidence you may have. In your case, you have none. Nothing. Again, the webpages you've posted are not conducive to a violation of the law or the legal definition of consumer fraud. Your ignorance of the law and business has led you to run to this forum and start pointing fingers, and why shouldn't you? After all they are owned by the people you hate most - foreigners. Your prejudice combined with you ignorance left you to believe you had very real proof that they are crooks, when in reality you have no such proof.

I have no such resentment of you. I only know you by your actions here. I think you're immature and unseasoned. I think you're very bitter towards these people because of something they or someone similar has done to you. I think you are so prejudiced toward ESL writers that the mere thought of them drives you into a state of crazieness. I don't think you have any job in any writing field unless it is putting books away on a shelf. I think you need to understand that making unsubstantiated claims against businesses and people is irresponsible. I'd love to see you on other forums I'm part of because debating with you is fun and for the most part, the main reason I'm still plugging away at this. What you don't understand is through it all I've managed to expose your bias and prejudice, thus reducing your credibility. The fact that I was able to discredit your claims is just sauce for the goose. You will never see you've been stomped but others will and that is all that matters.

Another long-winded diatribe in yet another failed attempt to move attention away from the crooks and onto Amy. Just as I predicted . . . .

Ah, so now you're going to suggest that essaywriters.net does NOT own bestessays and superiorpapers? Hahahahahah. Pack your bags.

Writers here have stated that when one logs-in to essaywriters as a writer, one can see references all over the place to BOTH of those domains. Don't believe me, RAT? Ask any one of their writers here. Current or past writers for essaywriters, please post your information regarding essaywriters's ownership of BestEssays/SuperiorPapers.

Coward, why don't you answer my question? Are you going to label essaywriters.net as "prejudice" because THEY purposely and hypocritically degrade the talents of "ESL" and "FOREIGN WRITERS" even though most of their writers are ESL? What, did you conveniently miss that part of my previous post?

From superiorpapers:

"Fake and Fraudulent Foreign Companies" use "Foreign, Wannabee writers."
- superiorpapers/term_paper_writing_services.php

Now, let the bulls-i* excuses roll in . . . .

Yet another long diatribe that answers your questions but you refuse to see that and accept it... just as I predicted! You're replies to my posts are all the same Amy... bla bla bla "they're crooks because you won't answer this question... which by the way I did... THREE TIMES and I assure you there won't be a FOURTH... bla bla bla... they're crooks because I came across this statement in their advert.... Which by the way is perfectly legal.... Bla bla bla... they're criminals because they don't have an LLC on file... which with very little effort I proved they did... so you can stop your rehashing of you four pieces of so called evidence. I'm getting tired of typing long rebuttals in a futile effort to prevent you from twisting any more data in your desperate effort to prove THIS ONE SINGLE company crooked.


I've made no such claims except in your head Amy, it must be a wonderful place there on planet Amy. I'm attempting to narrow the scope of this because in order to cover up the fact you have no proof of anything you've splintered it and have gone all over the place here. Plain and simple my research and argument was on and about Essay Writers and nothing more, other than the LLC which you lied about. The question was about Essay Writers and you were the one who attacked the comments from the representative... you called her a liar with no basis... uncool... You've got two choices here... no three choices... Give up, keep talking in circles with your "evidence" which isn't evidence at all... or take me up on my offer and come check me out... The first would be the wisest, I'm done playing with you on the second and the third will finally prove beyond all reasonable doubt that YOU are full of **** when you say you're not prejudiced.

What you fail to understand is you are so off topic it isn't even funny. The issue here isn't who owns who or who's scamming who. The issue is and always has been if you write for Essay Writers will you get paid. You're the one that has taken this subject on this wild ride because you have a hard-on for this company for reasons you WILL NOT STATE... that is a cowardly action... so look in the mirror. All you questions both valid and invalid have been addressed by me. I have backed down from nothing you've thrown at me... like the lie you told about the LLC you've also backed down more than once when I posed challenges to you... Most rats are afraid of the light... I'm not one of them... you on the other hand are affraid of the light. Unless you're going to post the real and completely true story of what they did to you don't bother posting a reply... it will fall on deaf ears. Who's the coward now?


Nope. Not at all. They're valid in saying that. It is a truism that some ESL drafted work is sub-standard. In advertising they're making a valid claim in an effort to coax business. The difference between their use and yours is they don't spend hours every single day slamming and taking cheap shots at ESL and Foreign Writers. Like I said a post or two ago... if you weren't posting so much hate and intolerance most of us wouldn't think you're prejudice or that your motives are suspect.

Now I'm clearly stating that the above paragraph on a whole or in part is NOT supporting any of Amy's claims. At no time did I intentionally argue that ALL ESL and foreign writers were qualified to write. I need this disclosure because as most of you know... she's going to quote parts of it she can twist into some sort of flip on my behalf... Now Amy, go to bed like a good little girl and have big dreams of being an employed writer and we'll see how you feel in the morning.

EXTRA, EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT! Amy was put to the test and failed... follow the link... if you dare.

https://essayscam.org/forum/es/masterpapers-office-munroe-topsham-private-residence-187/#msg2124

Oh and just so you know dear... I'm working out the count of how many times you've posted the same or edited versions of the same webpage from their site, the number of times you needlessly took a cheap shot at ESL writers and how many times you twisted the same set of words and "evidence" in order to prove your case.

It'll be fun... trust me... keep an eye out for it, coming soon... a "by the numbers" look at her tactics.

You are such an incredible LOSER and LIAR. I've had about enough of your EssayWriters.net promos. You'll probably get banned soon enough. How unfortunate . . . .