Essaybay, what do you think?

oh please. any writer is essentially an independent contractor who is responsible for running a business. i'm sure that making writers pay $100 for verification looks great on your end since the work is minimal, but it's a very bad business decision from a writer's point of view since no assignment of work is ever guaranteed. you acknowledge that no writer has agreed to pay for verification, which would appear to support my side.


wire transfers cost the writer money if out of the country, as you explained - no writer should have to pay that. paypal will also charge a writer a fee to be paid. do you offer any payment method for your writers that does not require them to pay to receive the money that they earned? is your company's bottom line such that postage and paper checks really aren't an option?


julie and i have disagreed quite a bit on this board. i don't have any strong personal feelings that would immediately lead me to side with her.

however, in this case, I do appreciate her decision to make this issue public. it's the holiday season and your company delayed payment to its writers for weeks. you made no reasonable accomodations to fulfill your responsibility to pay your writers in a timely manner.

but let's talk a bit about your 4 year+ company, since you keep bringing it up. your company is affiliated with the following sites:
a-level-coursework.co.uk, academicanswers.co.uk, degree-essays.com, englishessays.org.uk, essaybay, essaysafe.com, essayspace.co.uk, howtowriteessay.co.uk, law-essays.com, law-essays-uk.com, lawteacher.net, markmyessay.com, oxbridgegraduates.com, oxbridgewriters.com, powerfulwords.co.uk, scanmyessay.com, studentgrand.com, studentjam.com, studentlotto.com, ukdissertations.com, ukessays.com, ukessays.co.uk, ultimatebuy.co.uk, videosite.co.uk (list grabbed from wiki - it's basically all the barclay underwood sites).

in the 4+ years and the multiple essay-writing companies that your company has administered, you can't figure out how to pay your writers on time? you didn't anticipate a problem with paypal? you couldn't arrange payment for your writers temporarily through one of these other sites?

this isn't the first time that payment problems have arisen for your group of companies, is it? i enjoyed reading this thread:

forums.writersweekly.com/viewtopic.php?t=3717

it's about Deveraux and Deloitte, another service owned by the group that owns Essaybay. I especially liked the comment from a former writer who had to wait 3 months to receive a paper check and has since not received any further work. but i'm sure that's just a coincidence, right Jennifer? postage must be pretty expensive in the UK.

seriously people, this is Ukessays company. this guy has bragged to the press about all of the wealth that he has accumulated by owning paper writing companies, including his ferrari etc, but his company can't pay his writers on time? there are two possible options to explain such a situation: incompetence or willful neglect.

They created essaybay to have a presence in American Google and Yahoo pay-per-click venues.

at: johnny

i didn't mean to ignore your request. I don't disclose the companies that I work for because I don't want to be accused of marketing or recruiting for them. i will say this. in 2007, i received payment from 4 different companies: 3 based in the US and one based in Central Asia (Pakistan, I think- i don't plan to write for them long term b/c they don't pay enough per page but i did write for them for a couple of pay periods in order to see if they were a fraudulent business). none of these four companies was late paying me, not even once. there are legit companies out there, unfortunately, they are sometimes hard to find.

Down with essaybay! ^__^

Tut tut EW you will get fired :)

Ha! I don't intend to write another paper from them. :)

Well how's about sendin' em to my email? I'm just daniel.creste@yahoo.

on the whole essaybay thing

They haven't released my money yet. Funny thing is, Im still being very professional with them. I still accomplished my pending order and when the customer offered to ask for m' email so she could pay me directly through paypal, I declined and said it wasn't allowed.

It obviously doesn't pay to be professional either hey johnny. Have you seen how many unwritten projects there are on the site. 218 last night!

Have you had any further excuses about payments or are you back to non communicado again?

I haven't been buggin' 'em about it anymore. If they intend to fix the problem, I reeckon they'd do so sooner or later. If they didn't, then I reckon that no amount of askin's gonna help. I'm just gonna try out some of these here other sites that people are talkin' about.

By suspending my account I can no longer get on to my account details to request the money. Have sent several reminders through paypal but still no response. Wondering whether paypal would be able to disclose details of the problem and when it should be fixed if this is indeed true that paypal are the cause of the problem.

I note there are still 218 unwritten projects so I guess no one is getting what they want from this site.

It sounded like a good way of doing business initially but it certainly hasn't proven to be the success it should have been.

Here's hoping I get the new job I have an interview for in 2 weeks time I rather need the pay rise since I spent the anticipated money from essaybay over the christmas period.

I'm this close to losing hope. Say, ain'tcha based in Europe? Can'tcha just use their wire feature? I'm tempted to but it's s'pposed to go and cost me 40 bucks since I'm in curr'ntly in Asia.

I dont really like givin out my bank details etc can be kind of risky which is why i havent opted for that route

My client for the project I am talking about just said he just released the money he paid the project with from escrow. When I checked, it still wasn't in my account! I think that they've finally made of with our money.

Careful Johnny Jennifer will suspend your account for libellous comments <tongue-in-cheek>. You can't go around accusing her of stealing your money ha ha!

At least we have all learned something from this and are unlikely to ever write for them again- well I certainly won't lol as my account was suspended for complaining.

Jennifer reckoned I cannot pursue this through the courts as she hasn't refused to pay just said she cannot pay at the moment, well I am looking into this right now and seeing how long civil procedure protocol dictates must be given before such action can be taken and any pre-action protocol I need to issue before proceedings. Will update once I have had a read of the CPR book.

It looks more that way every day. My client confirmed that he already released the money. I asked him specifically about the steps that he took and based from his response, the money should be in my essaybay account already, but it's not.

When I first told him that I couldn't post me email because of company policy, I was given a warning for typing the word "email". How odd can that system be? I typed: "I cannot give you my email" and I get penalized for it? It's almost funny. Anyway, I emailed admin@essaybay again about the problem (both the unreleased money from escrow and the fact that I'm still unpaid in paypal). It's beginning to feel really ridiculous.

Lookie what I found ^___^ :

s15.invisionfree.com/essaybaysucks

EW thats real cool. Looks like there is a way to beat essaybay. I contacted paypal and have been told to lodge a dispute for non payment if there is still no payment after 30 days then they can escalate the claim, or I can start civil proceedings in the court although there are a few obstacles with that which I won't post on here as I do not want to forewarn Jennifer.

Hello,
I'm writing my dissertation, i'm dyslexic so i i have a problem with writing but i dont want someone else to write it for me, however i would like someone to guide me and perhaps edit what i've already written and point out obvious flaws and perhaps add an idea or to?

Doe anyone have much experience? Its a short dissertation, and its subject is whether or now television news depicts reality. Email me @ Pacodufort@aol.com thanks

I wish I could help you. But I'm lazy.. :::

Update

I actually got paid. I supplied bank details and was paid direct into the bank yesterday. I know this is no consolation for the rest of you guys but for any that are in the UK the direct into bank scheme seems to work.

jennifer

if u guys are so much tired of paypal, why dont u keep wired transfer as default and western union as an option?

Dear all,
A few comments about essaybay. First off, on their FAQ page, I spotted 2 or 3 obvious grammar and spelling errors. So whoever put that site together is not an extremely accurate writer. Not a great sign.

Also, the rules state that writers and buyers cannot give each other links to their websites. That is a bad sign. Instead, essaybay wants you to pay $100 to get verified through their staff! That is the cheesiest way I've ever seen for a service to try to force you to throw away $100 for nothing. ANYONE knows that ANY good writer can verify themselves with a portfolio of their work or online samples of their writings and credentials. It's very easy. Yet essay bay tries to subvert this in an attempt to force a $100 out of as many writers as they can. Is that super sleazy or what?

WWu777, how would prospective buyers know that the portfolio or samples were actually really created by the writer? Anyone can download something from the net or borrow offline work and post it and claim it as their own. At least if someone is verified it means that you know that they have the qualifications that they claim - not that this necessarily means that they are good at writing essays.

I've never used essaybay, either as a buyer or writer, but I don't think that there is anything inherently sleazy in their setup. When I looked at the site the only thing that really put me off was the lack of verified writers. There were several unverified writers who claimed to be Oxford or Harvard graduates but, to my mind, if you really were a graduate of a top school then you'd go for verification to prove your credentials and reassure potential customers.

i have two degrees from an Ivy League school. i wouldn't pay $100.00 for verification. paying $100.00 when no work is guaranteed is just plain dumb, particularly when verifying where someone went to school takes no effort. someone can type my real name into Google and see where I attended as an undergrad- and i graduated almost a decade ago. it's pretty darn easy to find out where someone graduated in other ways too - HR departments have been doing it for years.

i'm sorry but essaybay's verification is a scam asking for victims. as jennifer from essaybay said, the only verified writers are their inhouse writers who got carried over from other companies and didn't have to pay the $100.00. their qualifications aren't even verified, they are just a known to the company, which essaybay seems to think is enough.

no one qualified is willing to pay to be verified nor should they.

Hi All ...

Just a very quick update to say that at long last, our Paypal account is now 100% fully functional, verified etc etc. I'm in the process of working through all your payments requests and mails relating to payment so bear with me if there are questions on here I haven't answered but I want to give priority to the payments first. I'll then tell our programmer to put the auto payment system in place so you all get paid virtually when you request it (unless it's a bank transfer) and you don't have to wait for us to process it.

We did actually make some international payments (and pay the fees) by the way, for those writers who were stuck waiting for funds. They are unfortunately slow though, so we're really glad to have paypal back even if paypal have treated us not so well!

Anyway, everything's resolved now - do mail me if you have any questions about payment and haven't mailed me already!

Kind regards

Jennifer

I will just deal with the above post which has caught my eye! Lavinia, you are actually incorrect - the qualifications of the writers are verified, individually (hence why the 'verified' notices are very specific). Their identification and certificates have been carefully checked and authenticated. Their country of birth/country of origin is also verified from documentary evidence.

I appreciate that you are concerned and are anxious to voice these concerns to the community, but I would greatly appreciate it (as I'm sure all users of this website would too) if you could try and keep your posts factual and limit them to what you actually know to be true. This is only fair to our company and this is surely what EssayScam.org is all about - the truth.

Kind regards,

Jennifer

Jennifer, you are full of hot air. You posted yourself that the writers who got carried over from your other companies did not have to pay for verification because the process of verifying them was less time consuming. You further noted that the only verified authors are those who were verified for free.



Explain why individually verifying your older writers would take less time than individually verifying the new writers if the process for verifying both is just as extensive. As you yourself stated, it is NOT as time consuming.

If there are no significant differences between the verification of your new writers and the old writers, you certainly muddled that point with your explanation.

And my post stands. Requiring only the new writers to pay $100.00 for verification for zero work is a scam preying upon young writers who are new to the industry and don't know any better. And that's exactly what this board is for - letting new clients and new writers know that they shouldn't have to settle for scams. It took over 2 months for you to fix the paypal issues and even as of today, people aren't all paid... ya, that's a company that we all want to work for!

BTW, there are lots of interesting threads by writers explaining that Deveraux and Deloitte have refused to pay writers in the past as well. Funny you didn't comment about that. You can't really claim to have all this incredible business experience in the industry when your parent companies have had the same problems you've had. Some of us would think that you'd actually learning something in those earlier businesses, shocking I know.

Lavinia, hi,

I think you're confused - let me quote you:

"the only verified writers are their inhouse writers who got carried over from other companies and didn't have to pay the $100.00. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their qualifications aren't even verified, they are just a known to the company, which essaybay seems to think is enough"<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

To which I said:

"the qualifications of the writers are verified, individually (hence why the 'verified' notices are very specific). Their identification and certificates have been carefully checked and authenticated. Their country of birth/country of origin is also verified from documentary evidence."

AK and D&D make these checks when they take on a writer. They have an inhouse HR team in charge of this process.

So if they work for AK or D&D we've already carried out most of the ID checks/processes and checked their qualifications, unless there are any new ones they want us to consider.

So as I said, everything is checked very carefully - by AK/D&D if they are a writer for them, or by us if not. But it is done!!! We don't just rely on a recommendation from some company we don't know.

For EssayBay, we ask them to submit the documents again, on the off chance we can't locate them on our system but in practice, in almost every case they're already there, on the database/system I use, and the work involved in verifying AK/D&D writers is, therefore, a great deal less as I said. Plus the amount of data entry work across several records is less - it's already done. We only have to fill in a few entries on the EssayBay site. Hence, it's free.

Of course, people could just apply to AK/D&D, get accepted and then join Essay Bay and get verified for free. There's nothing to stop them.

In all other cases, great writers will have no trouble making up the $100 and as I said we're entitled to charge for our services - we spend enough on marketing and PR to get work for writers, which far exceeds what they could do with their $100.

Re comments about Paypal - again, please keep your posts factual - this is only fair. What makes you think all people have not been paid? In fact, all people have been paid -- I started work on this the second the paypal account restrictions were lifted and every single request was dealt with within about an hour or so.

As for Deveraux and Deloitte - it pays all its writers, with the exception of the dishonest few who try and rip off the company by submitting plagiarised work or work they've submitted previously. I'm sure there are a few disgruntled posts from people like that. The rest of our writers enjoy working for us. We conducted a survey recently and nearly every researcher was happy that they were paid on time. So I'm sure the posts you refer to are from that minority dishonest few. If this were not the case, and we legally owed them money which we'd refused to pay them, then they'd surely contact the company rather than posting on a website like this - or even take action - it's registered, has a trading address, phone number, etc.

I hope these deal with your queries but I would be happy to help if you have any further questions.

Kind regards

Jennifer

Jennifer,

Excellent attempt to manipulate the discussion. i love how you try to ignore your past comments. this is particularly funny:


b/c you said so. here:


it's simple reading comprehension... if you are still working through paying people... that means that they aren't all paid yet! duh?

>> You said: "even as of today, people aren't all paid"

But they were paid -- as of today (now yesterday) all people were paid.

Regards,

Jennifer

Jennifer, I'll explain again since it appears to be going over your head.
On Feb 7, 08, 04:06AM, you admitted that you were still paying people.


Hence, months after the problem began, you had not yet paid all of the writers, demonstrating your administrative ineptitude.

Then I posted a few hours later, reiterating the fact that, months after the start of all this, some of the writers continued to be unpaid. My post from Feb 7, 08, 01:42PM (THAT SAME DAY) stated that:


So, my post was 100% accurage according to your own admission. Even if you did manage to finish paying everyone on February 7th, that doesn't make my post incorrect or false. If we are to believe you, which I'm not sure why we would, you finally finished paying everyone at some late time on the 7th, months after the mess began.

Seriously, if your writing and comprehension skills are this poor, no wonder the writers "working" (and I use that term lightly, b/c two month payment delays constitute something closer to manipulation than work) for Essaybay became frustrated.

Thank you Lavinia - I appreciate your comments and have taken them on board.

If anyone has any other questions or concerns about EssayBay, I would be very happy to help.

Kind regards

Jennifer

I used them and was really pleased with the writer who I paid to proof read my work, not only did she proof read it but also gave advice too, couldnt fault the service or writer. reasonable price too.

rosie, it is possible that you are posting in earnest, but given that we just outted another "client" of essaybay as an actual writer for the company, please understand that its hard to take your words at face value.

given that you've seem to skip over the fact that essaybay didn't treat its writers very well, your post seems even more fishy.

this isn't a board for recommendations. people who believe posted recommendations are, frankly, very gullible.

dear lavinia, I was not posting in earnest, but as an honest customer who actually used ESSAY BAY as I had mentioned earlier. what on earth is 'fishy ' about that. if i want to recommend them then i will, get over yourself!!!!!

oh also lavinia, i have posted 2 other posts, please let me know if you think they smell of fish too lol

to essay bay, thank you for an excellent service, lavinia should get a life

clearly being polite to you was a mistake on my part rosie. don't worry, i won't do that again.

how about this? hey moron, the rules of the board say no recommendations.

but this line is funny


yes, i believe you.

To anyone who has used essaybay: when you put money into your account from paypal, how long did it take to show up in your essaybay account?

Hey all,

Whenever someone uses Paypal (on any website) to buy something, paypal send out a 'key' (an IPN) to the website to let them know that the customer has paid, and how much.

Paypal had some issues with sending this information out which meant that many websites all over the world using paypal may have had to process orders manually or, in our case, credit customers' accounts manually (you can verify this for yourself by searching the Paypal developer forums). This was not for all payments but just for some of them. The payments could easily be verified by logging into the paypal account so it was just a case of them not being credited automatically.

It is my understanding that the issues have now been resolved and service is back to normal. If, however, there is anyone who is waiting to see a payment show up in their account and has not yet seen that payment, they should contact us to credit the account manually. I'm pretty sure all the payments now correspond with all the credits so we should be good!

Kind regards

Jennifer

Hello again Jennifer. I'm glad that the paypal issues have been settled. I do have one question though:

What happens when the customer neglects to release the money from escrow? Is there a definite "wait" period before the money can get automatically released? I think that having a feature like this is good for the system (if you don't have one yet).

Hi there,

We haven't set a definite period yet - when a customer hasn't released it after a week, and the writer has contacted me, I've tried to contact the customer and checked the project message board for any queries. If there's still nothing from the customer after a couple of days or so, I'll release the escrow - we can just assume the customer has forgotten to release the money.

If we make this automatic, then it won't take into account any dispute on the message board or any emails the customer has sent directly to me. I suppose we could perhaps make it automatic but also have a 'lock' that the customer can put on the escrow if for example there is a dispute and they are in the process of dealing with the writer and myself. I will talk to our programmer about the possibilities.

Kind regards

Jennifer

Hi Jennifer,

Why do none of the writers seem to be getting any feedback lately?Writers are taking on lots of projects. I check essaybay a lot to keep tabs on how writers are perfroming and i'm very interested in using their services in the comming weeks.

James