They're still debating on whether OxbridgeExpert is British or Australian.


It's true that punctuations are sometimes flexible; but there are some definitive rules. For instance, a period is still used to end a sentence and a question-mark is still used at the end of a question. These, I believe are definitive rules.

WB, I'm just so glad you're doing what you're doing.

You are helping a lot of my friends who are currently working for these sites you've mentioned. I go a couple of calls after your posts a while back. Many of them are starting to look for new jobs now. You have shown them the light.

Did I get it right, guys?

Hey guys! Why don't you thank WB yourselves. I know you're out there, lurking. You know who you are. Show a little courtesy and thank the lady. I can't keep holding you hands (those are a lot of hands to hold).

Sadly, this is the case with most academic writing sites today. They hire just about anybody to write their essays. They don't care about the quality... only the money. Sad, really...

However, I was merely pointing out that if an ESL student, who, clearly, cannot speak or write in English, were to turn in a paper with "better than average" (I refrained from using "perfect" because you might bust a gut from laughing out loud) English, wouldn't that look suspicious?

And, wouldn't your professors be suspicious if you turned in a paper with perfect English?

Jennifer and WRT,

Holy cr*p!!! That Melissa is one sick puppy! Conspiracy theorists are going to have a field day with this one. Does she know how stupid she looks? I come from a very trusting culture, and even I don't buy Melissa's story.

My cousin's security setting allows him to hide from searches. The only way you can find him is if you type his email address in the search-bar. Then, when you find him, you'll get a message that says that you can't add him and that only he can add you.

My cousin does that because he's a "rock star", not a "criminal". But, I guess criminals do the same now.

She might have just changed her name or security settings on FB... possibly the latter. I don't see her quitting FB altogether.

Yup! This explains it all. That's what I meant by "my Filipino upbringing". Thanks for expounding that.


Not really. In my country, things are a lot different. The fact that Melissa is a woman (I know that many of you are shocked by that) actually makes me want to "guard her privacy" even more. It's a culture thing.

But as the world continues to "shrink", we may eventually end up with one general culture. Let's just hope it's a culture for the better.

I guess we learn something everyday, don't we?

Well, since I don't know much about the law, then I guess I'll have to take your word for it. I just felt that it is an individual's right to choose where his/her photos could be posted; and that no one else could simply take that picture and post it anywhere without his/her permission.


I agree. I guess she had it coming then.

Actually, there are some big businesses that need PR. Drug companies or chemical companies for instance. They need PR to create trust, not just in their brands or in their products, but also in the companies processes and safety protocols. This isn't just for the buyers, but even for those indirectly affected by their products.

For instance, if I use pesticides in my corn field or garden, it would indirectly affect the surrounding areas and may poison steams that may also poison drinking water. The public needs to know that these pesticides will not harm their drinking water or the surrounding areas; hence, PR.

Okay... but I don't think you answered the question. What else is the English language, other than a tool to deliver your message (or what you want to say)?

I believe that, in the next 10 years, laws will be created and implemented to regulate the academic writing industry. As a result of these "laws", academic writing companies will be forced to:

1. Declare the "truth" as to the ownership of their websites
2. Implement strict guidelines in the hiring of their writers... NES or ESL
3. Standardize the way they price their services... and
4. Standardize the pay-rate of qualified writers

Furthermore, technology may even advance enough to "track" the individual works of writers and how they are used by the students that purchase them. This way, teachers, writers and writing companies, will be able to determine if these papers are being used "only" as samples or if they are submitted without edit.

Because of the strict guidelines, only a few "legitimate" academic writing companies will be left; as it should be.

Wishful thinking? I hope not.

That's your opinion. I see it differently. However, since both are opinions, let's leave it at that.

I won't argue with you, WRT. Melissa is one rotten apple... and she probably deserves getting her picture pasted all over this forum. It's probably just me and my Filipino upbringing.

Anyway, we can't all agree 100% of the time. Our individuality is what makes this forum worthwhile. I can't stop anyone here from doing what they do. I can simply state my point, and that's exactly what I did.

You're going too far! WRT is right... You could get in trouble for this. Even in my country, any supporter of terrorism would be hunted down.

WB... You didn't need to do this. We all saw her pic on FB, so, you shouldn't have posted them here. Melissa might be a lying b**ch, but we don't have to stoop this low, do we?

What she did to Jennifer is criminal; and I know that many in this forum hate her guts. I don't hate her personally; but I hate what she did; and I hate the fact that she has little remorse for what she did. Let's keep the arguments on her actions (or even on her character and attitude) rather than on her person.

If you are offended by what I have said, then, I am sorry... but I needed to say this.

I suggest you take your own advice.

Interesting remark. If I may ask, what is it then?

For if you say that it is a way of expressing oneself, isn't this delivering a "message"? Or if you say that it is art, isn't that a "message" as well?

OxbridgeExpert's remark was uncalled for at best...

Ouch! Sorry! I have to call this one. Out of line, Oxbridge! Don't go there.

By your account, we are all doomed. I don't think I want to subscribe to that point of view.

Now, I assume that, when you say "dumb down", you are not referring to the field of science, technology, mathematics, medicine and the like. Because, if you are referring to these subjects, then we are, certainly, headed for a dark era. So, I believe that you are referring to the English language. If this is the case, I still don't see it as "dumbing down"; but, rather, evolving...

English, like most languages, is evolving. It may not be the English you know, but certainly, it is the English that most people recognize. For me, it is more important that it is recognizable to most. You need this aspect to make the message clear. For, isn't that what language is? A vessel to deliver our messages?

We cannot always contemplate on the negative. Whether we like it or not, America has contributed greatly to the evolution and the distribution of the English language. I believe that "evolution" is always a positive event. Of course, change always comes with contradiction (just as you have been doing in this forum); however, it doesn't mean that it is "dumbing down".

Perhaps there is no factual basis for any of the arguments presented since they are merely opinions to begin with. If this is so, then there is actually no argument.

OxbridgeExpert,

For argument's sake (and I hope you don't mind a little healthy debate), let's just say that you are correct; and that education in the UK is far better than in the USA. Why, then, would you make this statement (below):


Why would people using a superior system want to adapt an inferior one? It makes no sense to me. The floor is, now, yours...

Thanks! If I'm not mistaken, both have offices here. I think that the reason my friend asked is because she found it odd that 2 Ukrainian companies with the same line of business occupied offices in the same building. She was supposed to start for work in one of those offices until I told her to read this forum... Let's just say that she decided wisely.

But... don't take my word for it just yet. I haven't verified what she told me.

WB or anyone,

I know this is an old thread, but I didn't want to start a new one. A friend of mine just asked me a question and I'd like to throw it to you. She asked me if UVO and essaywriters are the same company.

I tried looking for the answer to this in the other forum posts, but couldn't find any info on it. I hope you can answer this. Thanks.

I've seen these before. I do read a lot... but apparently, you don't. You see the word "Philippines" and you immediately jump to conclusions.

None of these sites are owned by Filipinos. We are simply hired to work for these Ukrainian companies. They come to our country because, frankly, we, with our lack of English skills, still speak better than they do. And since my countrymen are poor, they will work for these idiots because it means food on the table. I don't condone this. I hate that Filipinos are being used to further their evil plans. I hate that Filipinos allow themselves to be used.

Now tell me... Was that supposed to get me all fired up against the "racist American pigs"? Well it didn't work. Wrong is wrong! It doesn't matter who did it... Filipinos, Americans, Brits, Ukrainians, etc... It only matters that they are wrong.

Stu4,

I believe you've got this all wrong. This isn't about race. This is about "bad industry practices". It just so happens that these "bad practices" are done by non-American sites. It isn't the "white guy" beating me down... it's my fellow non-Americans.

You say that, one day, these Americans will disown me. Maybe so... but what about now? These non-Americans, by their calloused behavior, have already given me problems.

I haven't forgotten my heritage. Frankly, there are no sites of this nature owned by Filipinos. And, Ukrainians are not my countrymen either. I'm not going against my countrymen (unless they claim to be writers but are unqualified). I am simply making a stand against the bad practices of other non-American sites that have caused me and others like me to suffer.

Is that a personal attack? What happened to objectivity? Are you, by any chance, running out of objective answers?

It doesn't, in both cases.


Nay!

That's not true. You don't know what I've been through. You make sweeping statements without knowing the background. I will tell you, however, that I don't write for academic sites; but what's happening with academic sites has already affected our neck of the woods.

Are you blind? Have you seen an optometrist lately? I suggest you do.


Precisely! Thank you! That's why I'm getting paid less now. I write a lot better than these "fake" writers and yet I get paid the same wages. Where's the justice in that?

I agree with this. However, the "final product" is often of bad quality with sites that don't screen their writers well. These are the same sites who pay their writers measly amounts for their work. Since they pay such pitiful wages, they often get unqualified writers. Sadly, most of these sites are not American. Sadder still, the writers who accept these measly wages are often ESLs from poor countries like mine.

I am a non-native English speaker. Logically, I should be defending "these" sites. Yet, I don't. It is the presence of sites like these that have brought my rate down and have made it difficult for me to work for good companies. I just got lucky. But, what about the others like me who are still struggling?

Sites like these have wrecked the industry!

No harm done.


Absolutely! At first, I joined this forum out of curiosity. I stayed because I saw all these unqualified ESLs passing themselves off as writers. I have always been peeved by the presence of these "fakes" who have made Qualified ESLs go through hoops just to land a decent writing job.

The industry should work to make sure they hire only qualified people ESLs or otherwise. It is the mandate of any company to protect their clients from sub-standard products or services. Not protecting the client, to me, is unlawful. I feel that it is even more unlawful than lying about who they are. If they provide quality service, then they wouldn't need to lie. Clients deserve the best. Depriving them of what they pay for is calloused and criminal! It's tantamount to theft!

We should all be so lucky.

Okay, I know that I'm not a native English speaker. And I may not know a lot about British-American relations... or history. However, no matter where I search, no matter who I ask (I asked my friend who is a professor of literature in Aberdeen University too), no matter how I construct it in my mind... 'many fewer people' is grammatically wrong.


So is Mr. Bean... Oh! Am I out of line?

After all that's been said in this thread... does any of it really matter?

English is English! We use it! It's a free communication tool, like any language is.

Does this person have to steal everything from Jennifer... even her name?


Actually, you don't have a "great" future. Crooks never do.

Tonny, I have no beef with you; but your argument is wrong. Let me quote what pheelyks just said:


Pheelys said it perfectly! The burden of communication is on the person delivering the message. If you cannot write properly, how can you deliver the message? I doesn't matter what subject it is you're writing about. It's how you construct your words so that the message is clear.

Is this guy (writer?) an ESL? And he/she teaches in college?

Dude, you'd better stay out of this one. Remember, they can expose WHO you really are and cause you all sorts of trouble in your job. It's just a fair warning.

Besides, I don't want your account to be deleted. I enjoy our arguments way too much! LOL!