Sigh...

Cassandra, take WB's advice and try applying for the companies that she deems legitimate. Feel free to share your experience here afterward. ^_^

Not one word about how the poster only has two posts and people shouldn't take his word for it because he might well be some ATW agent merely promoting the site. "Watchdog" my a**. You're just a mangy mutt. ATW's mutt, but just a mutt all the same. ^_^

I wasn't talking about you. ^_^

Hey... calm down, I hope you didn't think that I was trying to insult you or anything. >.<


Do you mean those short statements somewhere at the bottom of nearly every major essay mill site where they say "our products are model papers only"? :D Yeah... I'm sure they count as "every possible attempt" to you. Goodnight. ^_^

Amen. If I had a penny for every article I had to reject because its cited materials didn't match the actual material from the articles where the author supposedly took them, well, I won't be rich but I'd certainly have enough money for all the bus rides I'd ever take. :)

Glad you have your way of justifying your job. We all have them, I guess. Mine goes something like it's the schools' darned job to stop us from doing what we do, and it's their continued incompetence that allows me to earn the extra cash I get from writing students' papers for them.

Hmm... naahhh, I don't think that's it. ~_^

So AR screwed your "friend" who I guess is still "selling" her "soul to the devil" and what you resolve to do about it is to try and screw another writer. See how wrong that sounds?

Still doesn't make it impossible or even difficult for someone to make use of our friend's work. If I got the order, I could make use of the same information in the accomplished paper and turn it into an entirely different paper in a fraction of the time that it would have taken me to write everything from scratch. You're right that anyone could do it, but that's precisely my point. If you didn't post the paper here and just submitted it in turnitin's database, you would've had a better chance of ruining another writer's day (which IMO, isn't a good thing) by not posting what you did here.

If you guys don't mind my butting in, I really think that it's silly to advertise what you did with the paper on this message board, exwriter. By doing so, you eliminated the element of surprise and allowed anyone who works for academia (such as rusty) to take the paper, paraphrase parts of it so that it won't ping any with turnitin, and simply submit the client her paper with the necessary minor revisions that she requested.

I don't think you're talking to a newbie. :)

Again:


https://essayscam.org/forum/wc/proof-cases-may-lead-american-companies-give-clients-1081/

See? Open for all. ^_^


Here's when WB comes up to say that you, my friend are a promoter of the lowest kind. You are an a**hole with only two posts whose declaration of having received a good paper from an essay mill is nothing more than shameless advertisement...

Oh wait, you say you got your paper from Thesis Writer? In that case, this is the part when WB DOES NOTHING. ^___^ No "you can't promote here", no "posting good experiences are not allowed", none of that s-i*. :) Anybody wonder why?

WB: Because Thesis Writer's legit!! I'm not promoting Thesis Writer!!! ATW is legit!!! but I'm not promoting Academic Thesis Writer!!! (anybody else see what's wrong with this person.. I mean, statement?)

ROFLMAO!

Seriously Aegis3500, if you really got a good paper from Academic Thesis Writer, then good for you. However, please note that this forum is for posting bad experiences only. Not that you're not allowed to post allegedly good experiences (of course you can!), it's just that readers here should always have enough common sense not to trust any reports of good experiences in this forum as their basis for selecting a company to use.

Anyone else believe that this:


Is an excuse? :D

I don't need to post a link. The thread is open for all to see (wanna call this another excuse? :p)

You must really be nuts to say that my statement is an excuse.


and by doing so fell into my trap of proving that students who buy from companies that are physically based in America are in greater danger of getting caught. Then you disappeared to let the issue die down. ^_^

I have a better idea, let everyone else here review the said threads and comment. ^_^

It means we're both not criminals, stupid. Writing for EW doesn't make me or any other of their writers a criminal.


Oh c'mon. Anybody who takes the time to skim through threads where we clashed would clearly see who "dismantles" who. In fact, some of the direct clients that I've gotten from this message board initially took interest in my skills after seeing how well I "dismantle" you.

They're not baseless. ^_^ Anybody who wants to check can see that every time you get your arse kicked in a fight (which has become more often in the past several months with your blunders using the Boston case and the Chronicle article), you disappear. Hey, why don't you respond to this:

I'm only as much a criminal as you are. However, you're a much better idiot than I will ever be. ^__^

You're spared (and btw, again you misunderstand the whole idea behind the skit). ^_^ By writing the skit in the first place, I hedged out any possibility of passing clients buying WB's threats anyway.

Do you know that when I first got to this message board, WB was already screaming that EW's days were numbered? About two years and 50 grand in earnings later, the sky still isn't falling. That's why my countdown freaked the b**-h out so much. It was glaring evidence of her worthlessness.

Sigh...

Precisely why I believe she's been suspended time and time again these past several months. Every time she gets her a@#rse nailed, she disappears to let the issue blow over, and then she comes back and tries to act like nothing ever happened. Her latest comeback is really hilarious. First she claimed that the only reason she got back was that somebody "tipped" her about the CNN people coming here. Now, she's trying to get some "gloves are off" story going on for her. It's ridiculously pathetic. IMO, she's actually become a liability for Academic Writers. Heck, Freelancer is doing a better job boosting the company's reputation and he's doing it for free (I think)!

Like I said:


In fact, unlike people who hide under the banner of "we're just selling model papers," I actually openly admit that there is no way that I could prevent any of my clients from using the papers that they buy from me for credit. Can you?


Harp on what issue? The issue that I'm poiting out here is that ATW wouldn't dare take EW to court and WB's year-round threats are just that.. threats that attempt to make customers reading this message board scared of ordering papers from EW's client sites. It's fun bursting WB's bubble each time she attempts to blow another one. It's even more fun when she gets reprimanded for screwing up and suspended for days to let the issue of her latest failure die down. That's really all that's in this for me.

Oh and btw, my question about what ATW does to prevent their products from being submitted for credit was genuine. If what you meant by that was just the friendly reminder in ATW's terms of use, well, I think we both know how worthless that is.

Here's the issue, I'll let you judge for yourself whether or not it will hold water in a federal court since hey, I'm no expert.


From what I get, "illegal acts" refers to Stu4 allegedly doing a hatchet job Academic Thesis Writer.


If by your profession you mean writing for ATW (which I never realized was your fulltime job), it's as unethical as my writing for EW. I never claimed to be clean. Heck, anyone who writes other people's homework for money is engaging in an unethical practice no matter how hard they hide under the banner of "model papers".

Can I ask you a question? What "efforts" do you mean by:


Just curious. ^_^

And once again:


Why do you keep misunderstanding? I'm beginning to think that it's because I only have English as a second language. I never implied that the ED should do anything. I said that if given the opportunity, they'd be glad to tip universities off on academic fraud. I don't think you can get anyone in the ED to say otherwise. ^_^


You're priceless. ^_^


Blah blah blah.. hey Freelancer, this is the "big talk" that I was talking about. I was just showing how utterly ridiculous the idea of ATW taking EW to court is because WB here is just using the story to desperately try to scare clients off the way she always does.

I get what you mean that it's impossible for a company to predict when an order would be taken by a writer, especially in a system where the orders are just all displayed for all the writers to pick from. I think what humble means is that you can always upgrade your system so that clients would know whether or not you can get the job done way before the time when it's already nearly impossible for them to find another service. Essaywriters.net employs some personnel who send us messages or give us phone calls to tell us about large orders that are still days near the deadline. They probably don't contact all their writers though. This problem that we're discussing isn't present in essaybay's system. I'm not advertising or anything (with my current workload, I don't need to >.<). I'm just stating facts about the topic at hand.

Ok, cool. The skit really was just a reaction at WB's supposed "mountains of evidence" against Stu4. I was just trying to show that all of it's just big talk.


Well, it's an opinion nonetheless. No matter how "informed" you make it sound, another federal employee who actually takes pride in what he does and who doesn't work for an essay mill may find it peculiar that a complainant's business is the sale of homework to students and that agent may easily call an office at the ED (which stands for the U.S. Department of Education, fyi) to tell them about it.


I never said there was. >.< However, all universities have strict rules against submitting stuff bought from essay mills for credit. I'm sure that the ED would be happy to get them any and all information that it can on who the essay mills' patrons are. Like I said to mre, the skit was just an expression of my opinion regarding the utter emptiness of WB's threats against Stu4.

But you gotta admit that it has happened. ^_^


Right on. I guess that's why they're usually the complainants in these cases... they're just doing their responsibility.

Look, there are laws that are meant to go after those who sell students homework. There aren't laws that go after the students themselves since cheating isn't a crime (I never said it was). However, if universities complaining against essay mills ever get a hold of a list of their students who have been using such companies' services, it would be an easy matter for them to check if the students cheated and expel those found guilty.

Is it really, or is this just your opinion? I mean, can we actually get someone from the feds to back your claim up that they would never call ED over something weird that comes around their office? ^_^


See, you misunderstood again. >.< I was simply expressing that the American system seemed too strict on its employees, not its citizens in general.


and I guess that's no biggy. ^_^


Actually, similar laws supposedly exist on many other states. Aside from that, trials have happened. From what I get, the essay mills usually win but some of their clients get sacrificed in the process.

Then I guess you must've assumed incorrectly. If you'd read up on the last couple of pages, I think you may have a better understanding of what the skit is really all about.


Seriously? A U.S. federal agent would violate U.S. laws if he made a phone call to another U.S. government agency like the ED? Sheesh.. you guys are tough. :D

Can Academic Writers clients view in real time if their project has been assigned yet? I mean, if I ordered an essay from them and gave them a 5-day deadline, is there a way for me to know by the 3rd day if someone is working on the project already without me needing to contact Academic Writers admin to find out?

Shucks.. you misunderstood again. The fed officer in the skit didn't threaten to audit ATW, the skit was just pointing out that if ATW was a real company, it probably has been audited before if not regularly.


So are you saying that the "mountains of evidence" that WB has been collecting on Stu4 are all about Stu4 violating copyright laws? Plus, is it really utterly impossible that a fed officer upon realizing that the business that was asking help from him was selling homework to students wouldn't at the very least call the ED to tell them about it? I don't live in the U.S. but unless you guys got robots tending your offices now, I'm quite certain that a raised eyebrow can at least lead to a phone call.


Click the link. ^_^ It's not a fed law, just a state law. There are similar laws in other states, but I'm too lazy to look for them (heck, I was too lazy to look for the one humble found).

Not at all. What I'm saying is the Feds would most likely raise an eyebrow if they found out that the complainant's business was illegal in several states. ^_^ You think otherwise? Plus, I'm certain that other departments aren't more than just a phone call away since that's how it is in our country. Are you saying that the U.S. actually has a more backward bureaucracy than a third world nation?


What my short skit simply pointed out is the fact that WB is just using her legal-sounding threats to scare customers away from using websites other than ATW. I also just pointed out that if the feds would ever come after essay mills, sites like Academic Writers that supposedly are physically based in the U.S. would be the first to go and it would most likely be just their clients who would suffer the consequences of federal government involvement.


That's true, which is why I don't write law essays (even though some forum members did ask me to do so a couple of times before, I declined of course). ^_^ However, I am aware (thanks to WB and humble) that there are laws that prohibit the sale of homework, dissertations, and what not in several American states.


Also, I never claimed that people who use essay mills are at risk of going to jail. I'm sure that you'd agree with me though that if the head honchos at Harvard ever found out who among their graduates used Academic Thesis Writer, Essay Bay, Best Essays, or any other paper mill to get a diploma, they'll most certainly do something about it.

Academic Thesis Writer: Oh hi... we're a company that writes model homework papers for students. We'd like to complain against our off-shore competitors who steal customers from us by being way cheaper.

Feds: .... what's the nature of your business again?

Thesis Writer: We.. write model papers for students. You know, answers to essay assignments given by teachers across all levels of education.

Feds: So you're a company that helps students cheat in their academics?

Thesis Writer: Oh goodness gracious, no. We write only model papers for our clients. It's what the answer is supposed to look like but they're not supposed to turn it in. They're just supposed to use it as a guide and make their own work while citing our work properly.

Feds: Riiight... so these students don't hand the papers that they buy from you for credit?

Thesis Writer: It's against our site's rules to do that.

Feds: Ok. We'll coordinate this concern with the Department of Education and get back to you.

Thesis Writer: What?!? What d'ya need to do that for?

Feds: *smirks* In case you haven't noticed, we're not idiots. Thanks for coming out in the open with all this information for us. Actually, we've been trying to bring down this nationwide scourge of academic fraud that our analysts say have been gravely affecting the economy by allowing people to obtain college degrees to get jobs that they're ultimately not qualified to do.

Thesis Writer: That's not fair!! You should be going after the off-shore companies, not ALL companies!!!

Feds: Err... are you serious? Off-shore companies are nearly impossible to bring down. That's why our directive is to eliminate all the local companies that we can get to first. Universities that we're coordinating with have all agreed to revoke the degrees of any of their graduates found guilty of cheating by using companies like yours. I'm going to have to ask for your records.

Thesis Writer: Oh.. but we don't keep records of our old clients anymore.. sorry.

Feds: Really? When were you last audited?

Thesis Writer: *gulp*

Feds: Yeah, I thought so. Thanks a lot. You'e coming here is such a breakthrough for us. :D

- to be continued...

And you say my countdown was unfair.

Did you just admit that you found it surprising that one professor from Oxford was applying to your company?


Wait.. so this:


is true? ^_^

So Alex and Katherine, what do you think clients will think about your pathetic attempt at marketing a cruddy site now? :p

Here are some words of advice. If you have a site and you wish to advertise it, just say so. Don't pull jokes like this 'coz we'll always be here to make the proverbial jig go up. (not because we're good people or anything... it's all just fun, fun, fun. :p)

Right on.

Interesting ad strategy. This should get unsuspecting clients (if such people still exist) thinking that since fastcustomessays.com doesn't hire online, they are more reliable than others. The thread is made to look like it's meant for writers to read when really, it's a bait for clients. The problem is that while the geniuses who thought this scheme up probably spent a lot of time on it, the outcome is still flawed and the deception is crystal clear.

Thanks... I think. >.<

Sure you don't. :D


Oh yes it is. ^___^ You gonna wait for her to back her words up?


Tsk tsk... did this sting that much?


Idiot.