When attempting to deny your identity, try not to repeat centralpark's exact same sentences and arguments :)


Username #2's standard `comeback.'

I know it is pointless to talk sense with you but, not all companies are alike. Many pay 40-60% depending on writer status. And, no - 70% is an impossibility as we carry overheads. When you were posting as centralpark, many listed those overheads but you dismissed them.

Why are you so envious of good writers and company owners?!
You stood alone in this argument as centralpark and are standing alone now as editor75. Doesn't that tell you something?

Ohio?! Native speaker?! Haha ...

Everyone disagrees with your 'proposal' ... so, who is the stubborn one?

Enough is enough. I am officially bored.

Debating with Paris Hilton would be more constructive.

Do you know what a regulatory board is? No. It does not target competition and is universal.

Hijack your idea? We've been discussing this long before you came here with your fourth username.

Form an Indian Freelance Writers' Association if you want. No probs. But, I can assure you that such an association would not induce the legits to lower their hiring standards.

You want to talk financial bottom-line? I know you consider $6 per page highly attractive (remember the JRR incident :) ) - but, am sorry, it is not.

No association/union would induce the legits to
1) lower their pay per page to equal the average paid out by the Asian companies
2) to accept substandard witers (I know youprefer to call it racist hiring practices)

As for your having no intentions of forming your own company - the hell you don't!

Lie and Deny

A professional organisation, as in a regulatory board, yes.

The legal argument is complicated by the following:
1) let's assume that they signed on without being in possession of all the relevant contractual terms
A) that does not invalidate their contractual obligations to complete unfairly priced orders as they willingly took them on
B) they were unaware of the fining policy ... if they were fined once and continued to work with the outfit after that, that constitutes explicit consent

2) not enough writers are opposed to AR and EW's exploitative practices. They protest, yes, but passively continue to plod on. The law cannot help them as they are complicit both in their own exploitation and in the perpetuation and support of consumer fraud (under English law they are)

That bring said - there are no two ways about it ... these companies are robbing their writers blind. Even if they can legally defend their unacceptable pay per page rates or their fining policy, FAILURE TO PAY FOR SERVICES RENDERED IS ILLEGAL. Same goes for arbitrary fines which are implemented at will, and on a whim - they fine writers up to triple what they would have received upon completion of the order.

Solution - how many AR and EW writers are willing to sign up and fight this? If enough of you are, these companies can be brought to their knees - legally.

Let's talk constructive action against robbery and exploitation ...

More than tragic - downright criminal. Not only are they paying peanuts but take a look at rupysk's post. All but one of the orders were successfully delivered to the customers. EW was paid but rupysk was not! This is theft - no two-ways about it.

Correct - politics should not be brought into this.

As you know, I am fully in support of the establishment of an industry regulstory board. It would protect both customers and writers as well contribute to the gradual removal of the wannabes from the industry.

A union, however, is a stupid proposal. There is no legal precedent for the creation of a global freelancer union and the complications are enormous. Where do we register it? Which national laws would it adhere to? What power would such a union be able to yield, whether as pertains to writers or companies?

As for EW and AR - there is hardly a person here who does not know the extent to which I oppose their practices. They underpay and fine writers and, more often than not, find multiple excuses to STEAL rightfully earned wages. However, there are a number of things to consider here:

1) each and every AW and AR freelancer consented to their contractual terms and willingly sought employment with them;
2) their picking up orders valued at $4 per page constitutes explicit legal consent to fulfil the order at the stated fee and to the advertised quality standards;

3) many have repeatedly urged freelancers not to work with these companies. Did they listen? No, they insulted us and claimed that we were jealous of these companies' success.

As for equal pay - it goes without saying that most here are for equal pay, irrespective of nationality. But, we are also for equal qualifications. Academic freelancers, at the minimum, should be educated and proficient in the language they write in. I am fluent in French and do occasionally take French orders. My colloquial Italian is very very good but I wouldn't dare write an academic paper in Italian. We have people here whose English is completely incomprehensible, who are barely educated and do not know the first thing about academic research and writing - yet, they are counted as freelancers in this industry. How is that justifiable, ethical or anything but downright dishonest?

How about writers consenting to misrepresenting their nationality and academic qualifications upon being asked to by the companies they work with? This is nothing other than consumer fraud.

Now - not all ESL companies are bad. Some are very good and do not engage in consumer fraud or lie about who they are. In fact, a couple of the companies with shady histories are going out of their way to clean up their act. They are learning and, in so doing, contributing to the strengthening of the industry. We need good companies - even if they are one-man shows - around. Fair competition is good for the industry; consumer choice should be a natural right and, let's face it, the more the legits, the better the industry's reputation. We will all gain from fair and honest competition, just as we all lose when consumers get ripped off by substandard writers and companies.

Industry regulation and cooperation - definitely.
Protection of freelancers - most assuredly
Fair pay - of course
The elimination of fining policies - most emphatically 'yes.'

But, I still maintain that EW and AR writers entered EYES WIDE OPEN but assumed that it would not 'happen to them.'

Lie and deny - your new personal motto?

Since you have so many issues with us being company owners and falsely assume that we all exploit our writers, get out of the industry. We are here to stay. You are not.

No. The writers I 'disparage' are not 'my writers' and won't ever be. Most of those contributing to this thread do not consider them writers - you are the 'understandable' exception.

My writers are pros and we support them through thick and thin. We extend them all the respect due to them and would never consider underpaying or fining them.

Since you are opposed to our business model and fail to distinguish between the legits and the frauds, open your own company. Become a pioneer and an industry hero by showing us the error of our ways :) Either put your money where your mouth is or go for a very late, after dark, unaccompanied walk in 'centralpark' :)

McCarthy? Couldn't you have come up with a more contemporary example? Of course not :)

One state dinner ... straight to the head :)

Socialism? No ... try full-blow communism.

When history and the experiences of entire regions/nations have invalidated the ideology you are preaching, you sound like a loon.


A cultural `tell.'


When you want to conceal your identity, don't repeat the EXACT same sentence you typed out when posing as `centralpark.'


Actually, Major is right - nobody cares about your propagandist drivel, fuelled by nothing other than venomous envy and blinding jealousy. Why do we respond? We do so just to offset any newbie's being influenced by your very silly arguments.

1) I am all for the creation of an industry regulatory board, presided over by the industry's founders. Such a board would work towards dividing the chaff from the wheat through the creation of a set of quality compliance policies. Only those companies which adhere to those policies would be awarded membership and have the right to display the industry-badge on their homepage. This, in itself, will help both writers and customers identify the legits. It would also exclude a vast number of `companies.' Sorry, but if the company in question is not legally accountable in the US/UK, etc ... it should not serve those markets. If the company in question has substandard hiring practices, it will be excluded from membership. If the company underpays and fines writers, it won't stand a chance of being granted membership. So, while I do believe in banding together, my reasons are very different from yours - they are based solely on consumer/writer protection (my definition of `writer' differs from yours) and on levelling the playing field (a simple legal concept called fair competition - we cannot affors t charge $7.5 per pae and pay writers $2 per page)

2) The vast majority of writers in this industry are no writers at all. One of the purposes of the board would be to ensure that they do not attain `writer' status; another would be the creaion of a shared database of unreliable, plagiarising and and bad writers (proposed by Eugene) and of customers who hop from one company to the other and, in essence, steal from us (unjustified chargebacks, etc etc.). Do you know how many writers would be excluded?

3) Believe it or not - while AW and EW have no right to pay writers $4-7 per page and should never fine writers - many who come here screaming about low pay and fines have no right to do so. The terms of their service contract/freelance employment were made clear to them and they accepted.

4) I have openly admitted to hiring ESL writers - almost 2 years down the line and we've only found 6 truly excellent ones; the others have been blacklisted, denied and banned (after being paid any/all dues, of course). Witers who sent in applications using

a) the names of long deceased scholars - we just received an application from Prof Edith Penrose (RIP) and the applicant had the temerity to upload one of her articles as his/her sample work. Penrose is not just one of the greatest economic theorists of the past 50 years (among the many theories she developed was the `rent theory') but, was my father's PhD supervisor at LSE (decades ago) and a valued family friend - I attended her funeral :) BTW - this is not the first time that we've received applications of this sort

b) excuses for their inability to provide ANY PROOF OF THEIR ACADEMIC QUALIFICATIONS.
c) godawful English in their application letter. I am sorry but if your application reads "I belong to x,yz, etc country" - we won't read any futher.

You want equal treatment for all writers, native and otherwise. First of all, pls allow me to dispell the myth that writers are accepted simply because they are American/British etc ... nationality does not guarantee acceptance. Second, equal treatment is predicated on the possession of equal qualifications.

Your English is ok - but is is ESL. Use all the fancy words you want, labour over every sentence, etc ... but the truth remains unchanged.

Now - as for freelancers being listed as full timers, that is plain stupid:
1) their income would be significantly reduced (exclusivity as opposed to their being able to work for a multitude of companies)
2) they would have to take on a minimum set of papers/pages in order to satisfy their full time employment requirements. That, in itself, would force them to take papers they are not comfortable with - how is that fair to customers or to them?

3) Contrary to your very very ignorant assumptions, not all full timers in ANY industry are extended the benefits you are advocating and companies are not legally obigated to provide them with

a) medical coverage
b) end of year bonuses
c) company cars
d) paid vacations
e) 90% of the income generated from any project they are involved in. Did Microsoft give the Windows7 development team 90% of all the profits the OS generated? Did Jobs give his iPad team 90% of all the profits generated from iPad sales? Talk sense, please.

Unionisation- collectivisation, etc ... would only work for the underpaid, unqualified writers; a group none are interested in bargaining or dealing with.

The only reason why you find employent with RWC, AR and EW is that they pay you the peanuts you are worth. The legits are, to put it bluntly, not interested in working with such writers. Yes, our profit margins would increase but our reputations would be destroyed ... simply not worth it.

Stop denying who you are as no ` guessing' is involved.

Make your mind up ... gym or English teacher?

Reading the above, there is no remaining doubt ...

Ever heard of 'tells'? Words and phrases ... :)

Yes - just the right time in a certain Asian country :)

Ok - I went through your centralpark threads and other correspondences; had another do the same (someone who is very familiar with your style and mindset).

Went through other 'examples' ...

Centralpark is editor75.

This is your fourth username :)

The first was banned because you blatantly spammed your email - couple of years ago
Second was derived from your email but you are not using it because you hoped for 'anonymity.'

You know that we know who centralpark is. Let's keep it at that.

Why are you so damn bitter?

Set up your own company instead of spewing your venom ... Is it our fault that many here succeeded where you failed?

Think of the harm your doing yourself before you post. You are a laughingstock!

Nor of British labour laws and employment practices.

Management does 2% of the work?

Look, use all the proxies in the world but, you should know that they are not really very effective.

Centralpark used a proxy but because we really knew who central park was ... The rest is history.

BTW - you connect to a proxy through your ISP and they are not obligated to inform you if you are being investigated :) Furthermore, the majority are highly cooperative ...

But that would be tantamount to overturning the whole at-will and independent service contractor concept - not to mention the relevant laws.

Basically, I truly believe it tine that the legits banded together. We need to establish an officially recognized industry regulatory board, headed by the industry's founders. Added, to they, we really need to work towards the elimination of the scsmmers and wannabes.

Preempt external intervention, etc.

Question for the Americans here: is your government/Obama veering towards socialism?!

Ok - now I can breathe easy :)
He's from ilinois so, of course, partial to US. But it makes sense - money generated within the US has to be declared within the US.

Major - read centralpark on the same topic ...

As for ESL writers - we tried and, almost two years later, only 6 worked out - real pros, excellent English and wonderful writing skills. BUT 6 were all we could come up with.

Want I can't understand is that as soon as we reject one (no choice) , we find ourselves on the receiving end of abusive emails.

A member here sent in her application. She did not upload the requisite docs (proof of nationality and academic degree). Multiple reminders and nothing ... application was, naturally, rejected and the response has to be read to be believed :) apparently , we rejected her because of our racism and laziness :) she advised me to jump in a lake and called the wrath of the Heavens doen upon me :)

I see.
Our general consul/partner/lawyer insists that since we have so many American writers and customers, we have to set up in the States as well and declare all monies generated from and paid to individuals in the States :(

Major - could you pls explain the IRS situation?

Editor75 - yes, we know who you are working with

Editor is from India
Editor knows noting of the law
What has the fact that some companies do not pay their taxes have anything to do with editor's demands?
The IRS is not stupid - editor is

Editor - go take an after dark walk in centralpark - I hear it's freezing and not very safe :)

No - it is looking into independant contractirs who do not declare their income.

I speak for the pros. You do not count as one.

You don't know how things can get ugly?!

Major is spouting meaningless semantics?

'avail' yourself of a psychatrist's services.

WB - no problem

Seriously?! That was the response you received?!

I sm officially speechless.

Breaking News:
Marxism proved a failed ideology which did nothing but impoverish, dehumanise, marginalise, oppress and terrorise the workers it supposedly sought to empower.

Grow up.

For the last blooming time
1) none are against fair pay
2) the educated and professionals writers (who happen to actually speak the language they are being paid to write in) do not need unions to advance their interest. The legits count them as their true assets and treat them well

3) the illiterati are dispensable. When they satisfy the minimum requirements of the job, then they can come here and debate their dues.
4) those who work for EW and AR need to understand that they willingly resigned any rights when they signed up with these outfits. They chose to ignore the scam warnings; they willingly picked up orders which were priced at $3-6; they knowingly signed up with companies which lied about their origins, their ownership, etc; they agreed to the fine structure,etc.

Do I need remind yiu that WB has spent years warning writers? Had you just listened instead of at taking her at every turn, you would not be in this position.

I am against the minimum CPP but all for a minimum percentage. All the legits pay between 40-50%.

Your proposal is a joke - 90%?! we are not running charities for the illiterati and the ignoramuses of the world.

Paid vacation?
Overtime?
Percentage of royalties (we are not publishing houses and you aren't J.K. Rowling, by the way
Healthcare

You uninformed person - even established authors/bestselling authors, do not get what you are proposing.

Do you have a feasibility study to back up your la-la land proposal?

Please stop posting.

Your proposals have no basis in
Business law
Fair employment law
Common sense
Business logic

Instead of going on and on about this, do what I asked of you when you were the 'other poster' - establish your own site and put your ludicrous and laughable plans to the test. Succeed and then we may follow suite. Remember:

90%
paid vacations
Healthcare plans
Overtime
Company car
Paid sick leave
Royalties

While at it, what about paid maternity leave?

I have a question: why haven't you formed your company yet? You claimed that ...

Have you forwarded your list of demands to
EW
AR
RWC

Pls do :)

Stick to the Indian market pls. None in the wider market will 'avail' themselves of yiur services :)

Idaho- good for you. You took action instead of whining.

One of the most established in the industry ...
When companies 'appear' to be pricier in comparison to others, it is primarily because they have REAL professional, academic writers working for them. Writers such as these, especially the Native speakers amongst them, are not cheap.

You are not overpaying ...
CP has, as WB would say, 'no record of fraud.'

Writers should be guaranteed a minimum percentage of fees charged by a company (something which WB has often emphasised).
Writers should not be fined
Writers should not be required to undertake endless revisions
Writers should be paid their agreed-upon dues
Writers, most emphatically, should not accept $3-6 per page rates

Unionisation will not ever happen as there is no legal basis or precedence for an international freelance writers' union.

The exploitation and abuse of writers is rampant in this industry. The exploitation and abuse will continue. Why? Because of the type of 'writers' who have entered the industry

1) many are literally uneducated
2) many do not understand the basic rules governing academic research and writing
3) many have no business writing in English.
In other words, they have no business or place in this industry. The only companies which hire them are those known for the blatant exploitation of writers - EW and AR. The point is that many writers are complicit in their own exploitation:

Were they forced to accept projects at $3 CPPs?
Were they forced to work for either AR or EW?
Were they forced to work for companies which adhere to fining policies which are tantamount to theft?

No.

So ... how can we even discuss the protection of writers who knowingly participate in their own exploitation?

The protection of writers would necessitate their banding together and taking a stand against companies which underpay, exploit and fine. Freelance writers won't ever do that. Had they any such intentions, they would have stopped working for these companies eons ago. They haven't and they won't.

For many, especially the unqualified lot, $3-6 per page is nothing to scoff at. For indian/Pakistani etc writers, this is GOOD money.

Don't blame the companies alone as the writers are equally guilty ...

Yes - there are three possible suspects/idiots.

Serious question - is there any `good' argument for allowing those proxy-IP companies to remain in operation?

You're right :) My mistake.

As for the other thing - it's the truth and I am sick and tired of the scammers here. They have no right to pick up customers. Plus, it's high time customers know who to trust on this board.

Before I start, please forgive the amount of spelling mistakes I sm going to mske - this stupid iPad has a min of its own.

Editor75 - I am positive I know who you are, despite your attempts to change your writing style. You posted the same trash as centralpark.

For someone who is paid $6-7 per hour, yes, you are being somewhat exploited. However, no company will pay you more than that. You won't find employment outside the circle of companies you currently work for. You know that.

Another thing - you were going on about opening your own company. Why haven't you? Please do so and come back here and tell us that you are paying your writers 90%.

As for the private clients whom you charge $10-15 per hour - several were obtained through unethical means, were provided with poor quality work (except when you outsourced it) and hen they rightfully demanded full/partisl refunds, were not even given the courtesy of a reply.

Get off your high horse before you fall off.

Stop posting as your posts are senseless and do nothing other thsn expose your
1) utter lack of business sense
2) your complete ignorance of the inner workings of companies
3) your inability to construct a semi-coherent argument
4) your truly envious nature
5) your highly unlikeabke personality

Now - you are ignorantly assuming that when comlsnies charge $10 per page, that is heat actually goes into their account. No - we pay payment processing fees. I assume you know your way around the Internet - check the fees, please. You are further very ignorantly arguing that we have no overheads

1) server fees (many of us tske out dedicated servers)
2) Running IT costs
3) educated admin wages (I tried the outsourcing $400 per month route fir s couple or so months - absolute disaster). Many of us tend to hire educated support staff and managers - people who are actually educated and have the requisite communication skills

4) promotion and marketing - whitehat and not the spam you are so fond of
5) we carry the cost of chargebacks and of fraudulent clients - we do not pass it onto the writers (unless they are directly and inarguably to blame)

6) we carry the cost of transfers and do not pass them onto writers
7) we pay accountants
8) we pay taxes

Believe it or not, we have overheads. You eould nit know anything about that because you are clueless.

How much do our writers get paid:
First level writers (trial basis) - 1/3 of our intake
Top level writers - 60%
all in-between 40-50%

Major pointed something out here which we will implement - no bonuses and will simply tack on the bonuses to the cpp paid out.

Now, you have no notion of the difference between a freelancer and a full time exclusive employee. Furthermore, you obviously don't get the reason why many jobs are outsourced to India - it is because you are not entitled to the same benefits :)

For a freelancer to demand
1) a company car
2) overtime
3) paid vacations
4) healthcare
And a host of other ludicrous suggestions, is nothing short of madness. Not only does it fly in the face of logic but is completely unsupported by any legals or ethical system known to the civilized world.

You are completely clueless and you know it.

If you are so damn proud of your 'proposal,' why not use your REAL forum handle?! Stand up for what you believe in ...

And, yes, we do know who you are :)

Think about that before yiu go about libelling all company owners. They might not want you on their books :)

Yes ... you have avoided the use of your fav words but 'the song remains the same.'

There is not a person here who is on your side - not even the ones you count as 'friends' - but they don't know who you are, do they?

Save whatever pride you've left (hardly any) and go away.

Yes - I know you think that you can come back at me with lies, centralpark. You should know better, though. We let it slide once - we won't a second time.

Someone never used that usernane again after I mentioned their `favourite word' and nickname.

Whose services, in your esteemed opinion, should we `avail' ouselves of?

Yes - there is a link.

Stu4, as always, your posts are right on topic and extremely intelligent ...

Editor(echoes of centralpark/bat) - stop embarrassing yourself.

Mods - are completely uninformed, libellous, ignorant and stupid posters allowed to waste so much forum space?

This person knows zilch about the industry.

Susan -I am not defending the company in question. I know little about them, so will defer to pheelyks' evaluation. One question: are you telling the 'whole truth'?

I never thought of that, Major. Imagine our being hit by workplace injury lawsuits :)

I've got to learn how to put people in their place without engaging in extended back and forths. You managed that in one post :(

AR has its shills :) rusty was one of them, as are a couple of others.

Want me to talk, Alexei?

Concerned about where I am getting the money?! Is that a joke or the voice of envy? You don't know anything about me, my business and are making a mistake in assuming that this is the only business I am involved in. Moron.

Better treatment? Fair pay? Bonuses? Unfortunately, you'll never experience that as the legits won't hire you.

All your 'demands' are standard practice amongst the legits.

This has gone far enough.
1) I am an active writer and the money I earn from writing goes towards bonuses to our writers
2) our writers earn a minimum of $9 per page - minimum. Average is $15
3) our writers are never fined
4) yes, when writers repeatedly have hospital emergencies one hour before a paper is due, they are fired. We are not fools. Once, ok. Twice in a row - no bloody way is that remotely believable.

5) yes when writers claim that they were hit by a hurricane when there was no hurricane and use that as an excuse for non-delivery, we fire them

6) if a writer plagiarises once, we fire them

Where reliable writers are concerned,
1) rather than have them waste theur valuable time on revisions, we do the revisions in their stead - especially if they are bogged down with work

2) when writers ask for an extension and provide legitimate reasons, we give them the extension
3) when writers are genuinely ill but have been requested by a customer, we do the work and the writer gets the pay
4) we give our top writers a 10% bonus on their season's earnings every season
5) we do not fine our writers
6) we carry the cost of transfer, rather than pass it onto the writers
7) customers who are rude or abusive towards our writers are blacklisted

We more than pay our dues and are more than fair and supportive. But we won't put up with mediocrity, lies or bs. No 'the dog ate my homework' will pass muster with us.

We respect our writers and enjoy excellent relations with all our active ones.

We have fired and blacklisted a few for the reasons mentioned above but, guess what? Even though their work was nothing other thsn unusable trash, necessitating our rewriting it from scratch - we paid them their dues in full.

So, go to hell.

You are a clueless moron who knows nothing about thud industry.

Mods - either this creature establishes his assertions against us or it will go the way of others.

Don't ever ever assume you can libel any who run a clean operation, moron.

Go get exploited at essay writers or academia research. That is all you are good for. No legitimate company will hire a kook like you.

What is your industry experience?
Where do you work?

By the way, FU, you libellous scamming liar.

Mods - this has gone far enough. This creature is a waste of forum space and is engaging in libel.

Not only are you accusing me of being a thief but all company owners of being thieves. Guess we all know who the thieving liar is. What you write here speaks to your character.

How about taking a stand? Since all company owners are thieves, get out of the industry. Is it that you are unemployable?

You will, very soon, become unemployable in this industry.

Most company owners - the legits - don't want to be associated with people like you or have you on their books.

Stick with essaywriters.net and academia-research.com. They would mind having a moron like you around. At $3-6 per page, you are worth keeping around. All the more so since their hiring standards are suspect.

You did say that we, as a company, stole from you. Back it up. Don't backtrack ... back up your libellous claim or apologise. Your call. I don't joke around about things like this - I like the law and use it to the maximum :)

Yes, Amons, what do you think about this demand:
Company cars for freelance writers working in a virtual environment.
Yes, editor, that was one of your incredibly stupid proposals:)

When we put a plan together (and even though I've been in this industry for 15 years) - I refer to those more knowledgeable than me

WritersBeware
Major

I won't work on any sort of plan with a clueless moron.

Well-founded, solid and implementable plans come from listening to people who know and deferring to their proposals. The two I named are the ones in the 'know' - the ones the industry needs for any sort of plan to work.

Why refer to someone as clueless as you?

Company car
Paid leave
Overtime
Health insurance
Retirement plans
Two weeks paid vacation

Have I missed any of your dumber than dumb ideas?

YOU ARE NOT A CONTRACTED EMPLOYEE? DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT OR NOT?

You would like to hear from lawyers? Two of my partners are lawyers :) I have a degree in international business law (am not a lawyer but know what I am talking about).

Now - how did our company steal from you? Don't evade the question, coward. Back up your statement or apologise. If not, you will hear from lawyers.

End of discussion ...

I stole from you? This is an actionable claim. Back it up or shut the FU.

Ok - we now have the right to uncover your true identity. After all, you claim that we, as a company, stole from you. That is libel and as a couple here (ran away from the forum) know, we take libel very very seriously.

We like the law. You like to adhere to it and use it to protect ourselves.

So ... two choices
1) prove that we stole from you
2) apologise and retract

Mods - editor75 has made a serious claim. Either IT bavks that ludicrous claim or it is going to be 'no holds barred' field day ...

Too late to edit out the part where you claimed that we stole from you. Have the screenshot :)

Where have you run off to?

Bump
Rustyironchains is now editor75

The rights due to freelancers are non negotiable:
1) fines are illegal
2) writers should be paid their due
3) for research work, $10 should be the minimum (i will accept $8-9 as ok with regards to startup writers -first level writers)
4) fast turnaround - $15-25 depending on complexity

Established writers with a good track record should have the right to ask for an advance (they've built trust). That, however, is completely up to individuals companies and is not a sign of legitimacy or lack of.

Writers must be treated with respect by admin and customers. They should also treat customers and admin with respect.

Writers should know who the admin/managers are and how to contact them - real names and not fake ones.

Writers should know how to officially contact the company in case of legal disputes.

Professional writers are an invaluable asset and should be afforded all possible admin/management support.

But, do not ever expect
Overtime
Healthcare coverage
Retirement plans
Stock options :)
Paid leave

You are independent service contractors not contracted employees ... World of legal difference.


You clueless,idiotic moron. Don't you dare lump us all together and call us thieves. You keep overstepping and overstepping ... you cross one red line after the other.

Ok - we are thieves. Get out of the industry and leave the forum.

Today is boxing day and I want to box FrankC :)

With bonuses, etc ... our writers get 50to 55% of what we make.
We have staff employees which we must pay from our own share
We have server maintenance fees, an entire IT department, etc.
We have overheads.
We pay corporate taxes.

And you are proposing that we provide service contractors (people who do not work exclusively for us or have a set of prescribed daily duties to perform during specified hours)

Paid vacations
Overtime
Healthcare
Retirement plans

Where on earth would we get the money?

You are talking about our annihilation, no two ways about it.

Get real ...
Talk about fair pay - refuse to work for companies which fine or underpay writers
Talk about companies which side with customers even if the writer is completely in the right
Talk about companies which are not supportive of their good writers
Talk about companies which do not pay their writers

BUT DO NOT ASK THOSE OF US WHO DO OUR UTMOST TO SUPPORT OUR WRITERS AND PAY THEM VERY FAIRLY TO D MORE THAN WHAT WE ARE DOING!

In the true spirit of Boxing Day, Editor75 is another I want to box :)

Go away ...

I thought the same, especially as I had first-hand experience with AR. Then, a certain someone provoked very deep digging for legal purposes. The whole outfit is built on lies, lies and more lies. It is a house of cards.

Don't get me wrong. I am not defending EW - they are BAD! They are, however, just a little more honest about the extent of their dishonesty than is AR.

You know about the FAMOUS fight between them, don't you? Alexei and Yuri used to be partners ...