I applaud dissertationindia.com for their honesty. I wish that all companies were like them.

That said, let me just reiterate that there is still NOTHING wrong with people working for companies that are not as honest as dissertationindia.com.

If I was a client, I'd choose neither. If I "had" to choose, there wouldn't be a point in choosing so I still wouldn't bother (I would however, bother my credit card company for a chargeback). If I had to choose at gunpoint, I'd flip a coin. Still think I quoted you out of context?


Right... with writers who are happily willing to work for no more than $5/page. >.<

Not with this mindset:

Wrong. Students pay good money to receive excellent, custom-written projects. Receiving a piece of crap is just as bad as receiving nothing at all. Even in a world where students actually do just use what they buy as a model (HAHA!), handing them s-i* would still do them no good.

Blah blah blah... are we talking about statements that the company made regarding its managerial expertise in handling orders? No. The statement in question is only:

The versatile ********* writing staff can take on virtually any writing job with ease, and have written thousands of academic projects.

Is that a false advertisement if the company actually did hire a staff of experienced writers one day before they posted the ad? No. You lose.


So where are the pictures?

Which is fine with me since:



Challenge him on what? I disagreed with him on several things in this thread. Why are you so keen in making it seem like I'm afraid to tell pheelyks when I think he's wrong? I'm not and this thread shows exactly that.

Riiight.. like in this case?

USA Essays?

Give me a break. All you're good for in this area is spotting fake addresses.





Wow.. are you actually going to accuse dbryant of being a site promoter/defamer? ^____^

Oh please, your analogies are so stupid, they're depressing. If a law firm simply assigns a lawyer to a case, then it's no different from a company assigning an essay to a writer. Now if you're looking for a team of lawyers to work on your case, yeah.. internal teamwork matters. HOWEVER, do you even need any teamwork from writers when you need to get an essay done?

LOL!


Ooooh.. so you're willing to support that usaessays.com is definitely an American company? Why? Were you able to take snapshots of its physical address already? ^___^

and while we're on the subject of ignored statements:

Where are the evidences that I was ever frantic about your expose?
Where's your "no crime, no sale" banner?
Where did you hide your spine?

Hey, then you're the exception to the rule. However, since I wager that none of us actually know all of the companies that everyone else is working for, there's no way of finding out if you really don't work for the companies that you only claim to admire. Correct me if I'm wrong.

However, I'm glad that it's now clear that we can offer our services to potential clients who post on this forum as long as we do so via direct email after the potential client responds to our non-soliciting PM.


I disagree. Only our resident a**hole-idiot chimera assumed that. IMO, even pheelyks did not imply that you were out to promote some service.


Essay sites and restaurants are very different establishments. You don't normally want to eat wearing a coat and a hood when you're at your favorite bistro, do you? On the other hand, students who use essay sites are very particular about keeping their transactions as quiet as possible, so they usually only post here to know if a certain site is worth a try or to complain about site that scammed them. Of course, not all of those who do either of the things I mentioned is a genuine customer, but a poster who claims that he/she will try out a particular website is almost always either a promoter or a defamer.

Yes, I do. I'm saying that your claim is irrelevant to the issue. It DOESN'T MATTER whether or not people will associate the experience of a company's writers with the company itself. Its the writers who write the essays, not the company management. If a company which was founded two days ago hired 200 experienced writers yesterday and advertised today that their writing staff is highly experienced, they wouldn't be doing ANYTHING wrong.

Still can't get that through your thick skull? Sucks to be you, always. :p


Oh, the reason is quite simple (not simple enough for you, I guess). Not everyone here is aware of who those two people that you're accusing me to be are. When a person say A is accused of being person B, it is usually because person B is someone who is known to be deplorable or incompetent. I just want to make it clear that that is NOT the case when it comes to your accusations.

johnny_outsmart was essaybay's most successful writer when it was still fully operational

and according to you, Margaret is a native English speaker posing as a highly competent ESL writer.

If you care to disagree, then I invite you to show proof like I invited you to show proof that I'd been at all frantic about your (haha!!!) expose. >.<

It serves my purpose to admit that I am this Margaret so sure, I am. Heck like I said, I've been getting more action from this site because of it. However, I'm not a jerk who'd admit to being johnny_outsmart (and get even more direct clients because of it) just to get whoever he/she really is kicked out of essaybay (if it ever comes back on line again).

Right on. There isn't anything wrong with offering one's services once a member contacts a writer. There also isn't anything wrong if a member contacts a writer with the purpose of hiring that writer.


In my opinion, dbryant still seems like a genuine client looking for a service. He hasn't actually made any reviews yet (right?) so technically, he hasn't "broken" any forum rules. What dbryant failed to understand is that this forum is generally for clients and writers to post their bad reviews about companies. That's because if a person ever puts up a good review, all of the writers here who work for competing companies will drill that person's statements (and some, that person's character) to bits. The principle of the site is simple yet (IMO) sufficiently sensible: if you're a client who found a good service, why the **** would you tell other people about it?

I'm claiming that it doesn't matter whether or not the experience is attributed to the company or its writers, as long as the company actually does have the experienced pool of writers that it claims to have. It's not like it's going to be the company who'll be doing the writing, moron. It'll be its WRITERS. LOL!!!! :p

You really LOVE getting your a** kicked, don't you? ^___^


I deny that I am johnny_outsmart (essaybay's best writer). Clients should not contact me thinking that I am johnny_outsmart. ^___^

That's you're stupid assumption. ^__^ The point is, a company that advertised the way usaessays.com did has no legal liability as long as they really did hire a pool of competent writers. Like I said in my first comment, you were...


Yet ANOTHER stupid, meaningless analogy. Unless you have proof that usaessays.com only has one phD holder working for them in an "advisor" capacity, your analogy doesn't mean squat.

Love it when you get all defensive. You just end up making it worse for yourself, though. The point is that your focus on usaessay.com's age is worthless. The main question here is whether or not they do actually have the pool of experienced writers that they boast about on their site.

End of story. Whether or not the company claims to be new or established is another matter that is separate from the issue of whether or not it can advertise the strength of its writing staff based on the collective experience of the writers it hired. We're just talking about usaessays.com's statement that:


The fact is, IF the company did hire a pool of highly experienced writers, they have a right to advertise that their staff are highly experienced. It doesn't matter whether or not the company itself is young unless and until the company advertises that it isn't.

So like I said:


Disclaimer: I'm NOT saying the people should believe that usaessays.com actually does have a well-experienced writing staff whose members have collectively written "thousands of academic projects." It is very likely that PatsFan is a writer of usaessays.com who's pretending to be a customer.

Off-topic? Not at all.


If a law firm just started out but hired 100 seasoned lawyers (legally) from various established law firms, is there a law stopping that firm from claiming that its legal team has extensive experience? No.

See? Whacked you with your own line... again. ^___^


See that's the funny part. It wasn't you who brought up the idea that PatsFan was a promoter, yet it's you who got all the "credit." LOL!!! Oh, and don't make us laugh any harder by claiming that it was because of the "type of evidence" that you posted. The only thing there that could have been substantial was PatsFan's alleged claim of ordering from essaywriters.net, and he/she kicked your a** with it.

LOL!!! Afraid I'll elaborate like I did on your other wild imaginings and club you silly with your own statements again? :p


Well in any case, it should just be clear to readers that all of the opinions that you've given about usaessays.com are questionable. If you're really just here to soothe your buyer's worries then I wish you the best of luck, but I'm sure you won't mind me saying that for all intents and purposes, buyers should not trust anything that you have to say about usaessays.com.


On the other hand, these opinions are very valid. ^____^

Making things up as you go along again, I see. ^___^


Dude, if your friend really did get a good paper, then you'd have waited the week before posting here.

No, you haven't. Pretending that you have doesn't make you look any less of an idiot. ^_^


ROFLMAO!!!! You still don't get it do you? ^_____^ Hahahahaha!!!!! You don't have a SINGLE thing that does ANY damage to me. Do you know why that is? LOL!!!!! I'm not telling. :P


Oh, show us a shred of fu**-n proof, a**hole. ^___^ What? You can go out of your way to take photos of "fake" addresses but you can't give a single substantiation on an outright defamation of my professional record? Sheeesh. ^_____________^ Goes to show that when it comes to the things that do matter, YOU don't matter.

Thing is, I'm not dumb and I'm not a w*0re, and you got NO ONE to back you up on those statements. The way I see it, YOU'RE tired. ^___^

The fact that 1.) you have FAILED to support any of your silly claims enumerated in my previous post and that 2.) you continue to claim that people in this forum "hate" me while not being able to show A SHRED of proof goes to show what a sad, pathetic cretin you are.

Nah, it's not like you actually need to use it for anything. As far as the topic is concerned, you're right that using nCr is not an appropriate way for determining how many term paper sites exist. Also, counting the number of term paper sites IS pointless. In my opinion, rogerb was just trying to advertise his services.

Nope. Calculating the probability of poker hands use nCr, since hands are valued the same regardless of arrangement. For example, a hand of 3A2K is a full house regardless if the player arranged them as AAKKA or AAAKK.

Nope, it's a counting formula. It can be used for determining probabilities but it has uses aside from that (counting the number of ways that etc. etc..). However you're right, forumregulator's use of it is too assumptive.

Hmm... so you challenge me to prove it but you're so afraid that I will that if I do prove it, you're ready to say that you don't care.

Brilliant.. let me guess where you get your debate tips.. Sarah Palin?


LOL!!!! More proof that you got nothing. We're talking about your expose, remember?



Proof, proof, proof. Got none? LOL!!!! It doesn't even make sense that those people would want to stay anonymous. It's not like I can do anything to them. The only plausible conclusion is this: THEY ALL JUST EXIST IN YOUR IMAGINATION.

LOL!!!!

He doesn't scare writers or call them criminals just because they write for some companies and don't stop writing for such companies even if they know that such companies are allegedly engaging in false advertising.

The "different" is that pheelyks focuses on writing ability. He doesn't scare writers or call them criminals just because they write for some companies. I don't mind him telling people which sites are foreign and which aren't either, or even which sites are better than others. It's as much his right to do so as it is mine.

As for making another enemy, if pheelyks ever agrees with your "no sale, no crime" position on false advertisements, I will call him stupid because that's precisely what he'll show himself to be. Until that time, I got nothing against him.

No he doesn't become an accessory to anything. Like I said, WRITERS have nothing to fear. Even if writers are aware that say essaywriters.net owns bestessays and bestessays is allegedly misrepresenting its writers' qualifications, any legal claim made against bestessays in this regard would not IN ANY WAY include its writers (at least so long as the writers themselves don't lie to clients about their qualifications).

So, are you still waving your "no sale, no crime" banner? ^____________^ ROFLMAO!!! Kicking your a** is so easy, it's getting boring. :P


Hey, can you like do this more often? The more you tell people that I am johnny_outsmart (which I deny), the more clients I get from this forum.


I'm putting the finishing touches on a 13000-word dissertation while kicking your a**. Yep, that's how easy it is. ^_________^ You wanna know something sweet? I got this client from this forum. The way I figure it, the more I humiliate you in this forum, the more direct clients I'm likely to get. The hobby actually pays off. ROFLMAO!!!

Oh.. but nice try getting rid of me, though. ^_______^

Now where were we?

Where's the "no sale, no crime" banner COWARD?

Where are the evidences that I've been frantic about your joke of an expose? HAHAHAHA!!!

You are so PATHETIC. >.<

Pheelyks is not throwing dirt. There's nothing wrong with what he posted. Kiteboy clearly shouldn't be in this industry. LOL!!! You're that desperate huh? Trying to associate yourself with people who don't resort to empty, stupid scare tactics so that you can salvage what's left of your annihilated credibility. Sheesh... when are you going to get a clue? There's nothing to salvage. ^_________^

Well, I know it's beating a dead horse but hey.. I promised so..

One of WritersBeware's MO is scaring writers out of working for sites like essaywriters.net and academic research by telling them that they can be held criminally liable for the false advertising committed by their employers.

I engaged her in this debate in the thread below, where I proved without a doubt that you cannot be an accomplice to false advertising if your actions do not contribute in any way to the advertisement.

As an utterly stupid, last ditch effort to hold on to her MO, WritersBeware declared that writers do provide critical assistance to their employer's false advertising because unless companies are able to sell a product to a client, they cannot be held accountable for false advertising.

essayscam.org/forum/gt/substantive-issues-essay-industry-1943/#msg35214

Substantive issues in the essay industry.

This gave me the perfect opportunity to bury her in the Lanham Act, the law which enumerates the only things that need to be proven for a false advertisement to hold.

To establish that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things:
(1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity;
(2) the statement either deceives or has the potential todeceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience;
(3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience;
(4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce;
and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff.
The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement'spotential to injure a customer.

Clearly, anyone who's NOT ON METH can see that proving that the offending company actually made a sale is not necessary (and I dare anyone else in this forum to say otherwise). However, WB just wouldn't let go (I don't blame her since she probably is on meth and her job is most likely everything she has). She kept on talking about how the law mentioned the word "commerce" and that that implies that the offending company should have made a sale and all that s-i*. Seriously, that's the most pathetic excuse I've ever heard. However, I haven't really constructed an example that undeniably ruins her "no sale, no crime" excuse.

Thanks to the mechanic example given by Pheelyks on this thread, I now have that perfect example.

Here it goes:

So let's say that shop A which normally charges $10/hour falsely advertises that its mechanic has a graduate degree when he doesn't. Across the street is shop B which charges customers $10/hour and has a mechanic who also does not have a graduate degree. However, shop B does not misrepresent their mechanic's qualifications. A couple of blocks away is shop C which actually has a mechanic with a graduate degree and charges $25/hour.

Now, let's say that shop A, despite its false advertisement, WAS NEVER ABLE to get a single customer. Customers were turned off by the shop's appearance, and really didn't like the manager's sleazy smile. Shop B on found out that shop A was advertising that its mechanic has a graduate degree. Can shop B prove a false advertising complaint against shop A? YES! Why?!? Shop A never completed a financial transaction? They never even mentioned shop B in their Ad. That's true but Shop A and Shop B charge the same rate. Customers who see that the two rates are the same would think twice about going to shop B, since shop A is able to charge $10/hr for a mechanic who allegedly has a graduate degree while shop B charges the same rate for a mechanic without a graduate degree. Shop B's business is getting negatively affected by shop A's advertisement. This shows without a doubt that a company can be held for false advertising regardless of whether or not that company was actually able to sell anything.

Now let's drive it home:

There are hundreds of online essay writing sites. Many of them are just out there to steal students' money. Some of them don't even have any writers. However, their advertisements and the prices at which they advertise their services affect the market. When a company with a well-constructed website advertises that they sell custom-made term papers written by people with PhDs at $7/page when they actually have no such writers, they are affecting the market and making people think that they can actually get PhD-level work at $7/page. Such a company can be held accountable by its competitors for its false advertising practices regardless of whether or not the offending company was actually able to sell anything. That's how the Lanham Act works. Thus, WRITERS HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR. They can work for whatever sites they want and need not worry of such sites' false advertising practices. It simply HAS NOTHING to do with them.

FIN. ^_________^

I wasn't talking about STU. ^_^


Not at all. You can expose me all you want. Do you know that since you exposed me as a native English writer,, I've gotten more clients out of this forum? ^___^ I said it once and I'll say it again: You got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that can hurt me. ^___^

Hey, if you say that there are countless competent ESL writers in the world, I got nothing against that. ^______^


You ended that debate in my favor for me. ^___^ So no, that's NOT it.


My employ--- you mean EW? Can't you read, numbskull?

Oh but you didn't answer my question:

Are you backing out? Are you now saying that the crime of false advertisement CAN be perpetrated even if the company never sold anything?
LOL!!!!

Awwww... if you really thought so, you know that we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Nobody, not pheelyks, not freelancewriter, not WRT, has backed you up on that. On the other hand, how many members of this forum have backed up my arguments on your gross displays of stupidity? At least two. How many have actually tried to defend you against these arguments? NONE, ZERO, ZILCH, NIL, etc.


You wish. The story doesn't end until you're gone from this forum, WritersBeware. I won't stop until your stupidity's been so exposed, your employers would have no choice but to let you go and hire someone else. Why, you might ask? Why would I want to do that to you? Is it because of the dirt that you've thrown against sites like essaywriters.net? Heck no.. you can throw all the dirt you want. I'll even help. EW is a crappy company to work for! They'll cheat their writers at every opportunity. See? Why then? Why would I spend time and effort getting you kicked out of probably the only job that you can do? Well... because you DESERVE it.


NO, the writer doesn't. The act of false advertisement is perpetrated without any participation from the writer. In the absence of the writer, the company would still have been able to perpetrate the same crime at the same level of effectiveness with no added effort. This makes it impossible for the writer to be considered an accomplice.

Hey.. it's the third time that I've called you on that "no sale, no crime" statement. You can't claim that you just don't want to repeat an old argument because the argument above is a repeat as well. Are you backing out? Are you now saying that the crime of false advertisement CAN be perpetrated even if the perpetrating company never sold anything?

LOL!!!!

and a writer DOES NOT play a KEY ROLE in the false advertising activities of his/her employer, PERIOD. The only way your argument can fly is if you actually PROVE that a false advertising claim can't be filed if a customer never bought a product from the perpetrating company, and in a while I'm going to use your own example and whack you senseless with it. Are you ready for another beating? ^_________________^

Monologue much?


Wow.. another wrong analogy. Why am I NOT surprised?

A street corner drug dealer is criminally liable for drug dealing, you nincompoop. That's a crime in itself. An ESL writer who writes for a company that falsely advertises the writer's country of origin is not breaking any law by writing term papers for that company REGARDLESS of whether or not he/she knows that the company is engaging in false advertising. How many times do I have to whack you senseless with the law? I don't even live in the states and yet I clearly run rings around you in that area. >.< How PATHETIC is that?!?

But hey, you completely ignored this part of my statement:


I guess that proves this statement:


ROFLMAO!!!!

LOL!!!! Hey Pheelyks, care to support WB on this one?

Ohhhh... I just thought of a new angle to kick your a** at. I just realized, your whole argument that the mechanic is an accessory still depends on your asinine idea that if the employer does not complete a financial transaction, the employer is not liable to a false advertising suit. Oh sweet! This is gonna hurt like spiked combat boots shoving into that fat tush of yours so far up that it actually punctures your colon. I'd ask you to affirm that assertion, but hey.. we both know you'll be TOO CHICKIN' to do so, so I won't bother. ^______________^

I'll let you wade around in misery for 12 hours or so before putting you out of it. Gotta get back to work. You know I'll be back and you know that unlike you, I ALWAYS DELIVER on a promised a**-kicking.

Wrong again. I was putting it entirely in the context of the discussion, wherein forumregulator was clearly putting forward the position that:


A context which you clearly understood when you responded:


Last time I checked, hiring incompetent mechanics, isn't a crime. However, advertising that you have mechanics with degrees in engineering when in fact, they only have vocational certificates is false advertising (sorry, your "chopshop" analogy is completely out of context ^__^).

If the mechanic was asked by customers if he/she had a graduate degree and the mechanic lied to them, then the mechanic is guilty of being an accessory to false advertising perpetrated by his employer. If the mechanic told the truth, then he is innocent. If the mechanic was never asked, then he did not at all participate in his employer's false advertising and so is ALSO INNOCENT. The mechanic DOES NOT aid his/her employer in committing false advertising simply by being the mechanic. Even if the mechanic was not present, the employer can still claim with equal effectiveness that his mechanics have graduate degrees in his advertisements. Thus, the mechanic CANNOT be an accessory because his action/inaction does not in any way contribute to his employer's crime. If customers demand to see and interview the shop's mechanics, then that's when the mechanic may be held liable depending on his responses to the customers.

But hey, you already got your a** kicked on this one as well. Remember your substantive issue thread? Here's a little reminder:

Substantive issues in the essay industry

ROFLMAO! YOU SUCK! ^_________^

Exactly my point. A client filing a complaint should file a complaint against the company, and the company should be held fully responsible for hiring incompetent writers. Lawsuits should be filed and claims should be made, but who's responsible again?


Ever get tired of gettin' your a** kicked? ^_______^ LMAO!!!!

Wait a minute, so you think giving people from the Third World a chance to earn several times the minimum wage in their country, from the comforts of their own homes no less, is a wrongdoing?

Your position is this: it's ALRIGHT for incompetent writers to apply and write for term paper sites. Anyway, it's those sites that are breaking the law by falsely advertising the qualifications of its writers.

Nice try. However, while it is the companies that have sole legal responsibility when it comes to their advertising practices, writers NEVERTHELESS have a professional responsibility to provide quality products to their clients. Sure you're not legally bound to produce quality work, but I seriously find it amusing that you expect to get paid for writing trash.

Writing ability in the English language is not bound by geography. By stating that it's not the writer's fault because the companies hire people from countries outside the U.S. and U.K., you are actually claiming that it is.


Hiring a blind man to paint houses is not the same as hiring an ESL writer to write term papers. Having English only as a second language is not a handicap. There are countless competent ESL writers in the world, remember? :p That makes the odds of finding a competent ESL writer willing to write term papers for a living pretty good, unless you want to claim that a great majority of these countless competent ESL writers are morally far above choosing this line of work.


Right on.

If a writer writes poorly, he should not get paid. The easiest way to kick incompetent writers out of this industry is to not pay them. While it is true that some companies (such as essaywriters.net) engage in downright unfair fining practices, incompetence should not be tolerated. I don't see what copyright ownership has to do with this.

WTF?

ROFLMAO!!!!

Excuses, excuses. I quoted my exact source the first time I posted this. If you could tear me anything, you'd have done so then. What did you say that time?


PATHETIC.

I won't do your work for you. ^_____^

Nice try, you silly dolt. I don't need to find such a case. I won't be able to find a false advertisement case where actual sale was contested because duh... actual sale is not a significant matter in proving whether or not false advertisement was committed. Still can't get that through YOUR thick skull? Not my problem.


That is all there is to it. You don't need to claim that any product was bought. In fact, the offending company may not be selling a product at all as shown on the type of false advertising claim below:

Proving the occurrence of sale is simply NOT part of the legal equation for proving false advertising. For determining damages, maybe but NEVER for determining culpability.

See? No matter how many times you wave your "no sale, no case" flag around, I'll be right here re-posting evidence that would just humiliate you all over again.

'till your next pointlessly repetitive, hopelessly sad post. ^____^