That's what they charge and they pay their writers about one-third or 40% of it, so it seems to me a private writer should try to get at least as much as you suggested.

My advice about the DND list stands. Unlike this "Paul" person, I represent no company on here and have no reason to lie at all. Essay Townn is crooked.

There will always be UK orders on the American sites, as well as Canadian and Australian orders, and usually the request for the Harvard style of referencing is the giveaway to their origin. Americans usually don't use that. Custompapers.com had all kinds of requests from various countries when I was working there, although it is based in the U.S..

The type of orders that I used to see that requested statistical knowledge were in the social sciences--various kinds of quantitative research projects in psychology, education, sociology and so on. I never look any orders like those because I lacked the mathematical knowledge, but I did see a number of them. It was far less common to see requests for papers in mathematics and the hard sciences, at least in my experience.

I think it would hard to make $80,000 for just one writer, even if this was all you did all day, every day 24/7, which no one could do without burning out. You'd also have to be charging top dollar for every order to start making money like that, or doing mainly just very large orders like ghostwriting books and dissertations. That's a lot of time and effort, though, looking up vast numbers of references and so on.

Writers and customers should avoid any companies on the DND list because there are good reasons for them to be on there. Most of them are dishonest.

Yes, you can make a few thousand dollars a month at this job if you find some of the few honest companies, sometimes even more than that. There are freelancers who have built up lists of clients and can do quite well at it.


Possibly, although you have to account for the down times in the summer, but in the busy season I would make $3-4,000 per month or sometimes more, but putting in a lot of hours and working into the early morning.

Most of them are scams, to both the writers and customers, and I have only found a couple of exceptions over the years.

The companies on the DND list are there for a good reason, and customers and writers would be well-advised to avoid them. There are more scammers in this business than honest people and by its very nature it attracts dishonest types.

The answer is "No".

I am aware of companies those, but I have never written a word for them. Any native speaker with real university degrees should be making at least $10 per page, but the sites you are describing are ridiculous.

Research Writing Center was one of those that offered very low pay like that, and I still get emails from them from time to time, but I have NEVER taken any assignments from them. Evidently that's what they are paying their writers from India, Pakistan or the Philippines.

That was all set in motion long before I started posting anything on here. With one of them (essaywriters.net[DND*]), they ended up paying everything they owed me in return for dropping the charges. As for the other one (Essay Tow'n) they seem to be run by an irrational person. No matter, I lost a much smaller amount to while with the first I lost nothing at all. In the end, I can only say that the one got away with anything as far as I was concerned, and it was much less than essaywriters.net[DND*].

Well, they never will again because I no longer have anything to do with them. As far as "letting" them cheat me, I never did so. As you know very well, they are holding almost all the cards and can get away with just about anything, at least until the Justice Department and the Federal Trade Commission start getting after them.

When I was doing this work, I'd say that at least half of them were non-native speakers, along with a lot of students from online diploma mills that evidently didn't care who wrote their papers as long as they turned in something.

That was usually easy money, because these people just wanted something slapped together and didn't care what it was. Nor did most of them have the writing and grammar skills to evaluate anything.

The really irritating customers, who I learned to avoid, were the demanding graduate-level students who were all hysterical about not being able to finish their work on time. Over time, I could just tell by their instructions if they were going to be trouble, so I generally avoided orders about which I had a bad feeling.

Of course, the really bad ones were the ringers, the fake "customers" working for rival research companies who were just out to do as much damage as possible.

Those are the ones that are tricky to avoid.

How indeed?

In any case, I decided to not take anyone's money any more because after 5-6 years of doing this type of work, I really got sick of it all. That doesn't mean I am going to just STFU all the time, though. LOL.

I was accepted as a writer for the Pensters, but never did any papers for them. I just didn't like their system of bidding, the relatively low pay, and the fact that they still added a 40% "commission" to every order. They were quite a few of these companies where I was "officially" a writer but never actually wrote anything because I just didn't like the deal. There were others that I did work for but eventually just dropped off because I got sick of doing it, and a couple that I quit because they cheated me.

Never work for anyone who used "Mr." before their first name, like some kind of petty gangster in a B movie.

I have worked for quite a few of these companies in the past at one time or another, and there are only two I would recommend. The others all ripped me off in one way or another, and if they rip off their writers you can be sure they will do the same to their customers.

The only two that never cheated me were custompapers.com and manuscriptservices.uk. I no longer work in this business, unlike most of the others who hang around here, so I can say exactly what I think.

They are never likely to find out who the writer really is, although I certainly wouldn't recommend using my real name in any of these situations.

Of course, this time of year not too much is happening at all in the essay-writing business.

I do think that $10 per page is the minimum for a skilled writer and native speaker, although what some of these companies are offering is a disgrace.

If I knew that their English skills were poor and they turned in something that appeared to be written by a native speaker, I'd know it was fraud.

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A good rule of thumb is that if these companies are a lousy deal for their writers--and most of them are--then they are very likely a bad deal for their customers as well. VERY BAD.

I worked for many of them over the years and know of only two exceptions, which I have mentioned on here. There are plenty of maggots in this business, believe me.

I was once accepted as a writer there bit never completed any orders. It's just another one of those companies that makes you bid on every order, so I wouldn't expect to make very much there. They also have some kind of thing where you do your own advertising all over the net, but they still take your bids and add 40% to it for themselves.

I never thought it was very much, so I didn't even bid on anything. My best advice would be NOT to even bother with this line of work unless you are an agoraphobic like me and don't wish to interact much with society, or you just can't find anything better to do. LOL.

My father died and left me all his money. He was quite elderly and fortunately went very quickly from a heart attack, which is how I want to go, rather than from something slow and painful. I was the only child, and no longer all that young myself, so I'm taking it easy now.

I work for no one now. I've had enough of this and I'm done with it.

In the busy season, I often worked all day, every day, until 5 or 6 AM, then woke up and did it again. At this time of year, of course, there were very few assignments, but this is a seasonal business.

Needless to say, it got very boring and tedious after doing it for five or six years.

I worked for them a long time ago, and I have to say that they never cheated their writers. They always paid me everything I was owed, and there was only one other company in my experience that I could say that about--manuscriptservices.uk. Those were the only ones.

I would add that if they cheat their writers they will very likely also have no problems cheating their customers, maybe even less because good writers who always finish their work on time are not all that common.

In any case, I was ashamed to admit to anyone that I even had a job like this. There was a time in the past when people who did these things would have been expelled from any university, but I guess things aren't as strict now.

There are also a lot of online universities that provide a lot of customers for these writing services, but they are nothing but diploma mills.

I know a several from personal experience that are on that list because they have cheated their writers or customers, but naturally they do not want any of that discussed on here.

It depended on the time of year, but I could imagine finishing several essays in one day, which might be 15-20 pages. That was when I was still doing this work.

Incidentally, I never regarded it as "professional" writing but an absolute disgrace. It was a job and that's about all I can say for it.

For the most part, essay writing services are just there to provide papers to students with poor English skills, or those with limited academic qualifications who should not be studying at the university level in the first place. I would say that the most common type of customer was the former, though, and just had great difficulty writing a coherent sentence in English.

Colleges and universities make a great deal of money off these foreign students, which is just another corrupt scam in its own right.

All I know is that he sounds exactly like one of them, and he started in on me as soon as he appeared on this site a few days ago.

So is that a non-denial denial, "Paul"? LOL.

Be that as it may, I do not passively accept these things, but will always fight back in any way I can.

I suspect that "Paul" is an old "friend" just using a new name.

If it comforts you to think so. It's a rotten and corrupt business, and it does things that are illegal and unethical. Oh there are plenty of grounds all right.

That sounds very typical of many of these companies, and I only know of one or two exceptions. They have 1001 ways to rip off their writers, believe me, and most of them will do it any way they can.

Just file complaints about them with the Justice Department and the Federal Trade Commission.

I shall take what I am owed right out of their hide, and I will enjoy doing it. As for the rest of you who own or represent various companies, do you imagine that I give a hoot in hell what you think of me? LOL.


You'll be done with my stories when I say you're done.

I always remember you being very buddy-buddy with WB and Pheel-sick, who were definitely from SNR/DND.

You were always thick as thieves with WB, Pheel-up and the gang from SNR/DND, always quick to back them up when one lied and the other swore to it.

Where are they now, huh?