A few specifics would make your post look less like spam.

It seems like it's about this time every year that a bunch of wannabes without any good company connects or steady clients start talking about how the sky is falling. It's a sure sign that busy season is already underway.

Major, there is one hole in your theory of equalized pay-scales-- there is still going to be a major difference in quality between writers in developing countries and those who were educated in the West. While ESL writers educated in developing countries may work hard, they are often reduced to learning a second language second- or third-hand, without any experience immersed in its living idiom. As brilliant (or as utterly devoid of charm) as it may be, their writing does not often match the pattern professors in Western universities demand.

When there is a vacuum in advertising opportunity, FW hears the clarion call. TL;DR.

To answer my own question, the main problem with the above-quoted sentence is that you have serious problems with both common prepositions (high beginner ESL) and phrasal verbs (intermediate ESL). If I were your teacher in an intermediate or advanced ESL class, I would try to have you moved to a lower class, so that I wouldn't have to fail you. If I were moderator, I would give you a lifetime ban.



How about it, mods? FW uses this place for customers, too, but he is at least a technically competent writer, so if you can conceptualize ethics in this environment, his ambulance-chasing here is, relative to MeoKhan's existence as a disgusting fraud, pretty harmless. Do you see it that way, too?

Your'e asking too many questions, Meowcon, and you haven't answered any of mine. It's hardly a conversation if you can't answer a question.

Tell me what's wrong with the sentence above. Then we can talk about what's wrong with a lower-level intermediate ESL speaker who has yet to fully master basic elements of the English language presenting himself as a competent writer of academic model essays in English.

Let's not get distracted by the side-issue of your being an incompetent forum watchdog, and stick to the main issue of your incompetence as a writer. After that, we can talk about all sorts of embarrassment and failure. Can you first tell me what's wrong with the above sentence?

Consider this a free English lesson, seeing as how you didn't answer my above question.
PS-- If I were posting in the wrong thread, why would I reference a specific poster in that thread?

Speaking of random visitors, I should explain that I am just giving Meowcon a little lesson from another thread. The lesson was that he shouldn't try to bully (in his gentle, sycophantic, and wrong-headed echo of WB) a new poster who was simply adding to an older, general topic.

As for whether you're impressed by me or not, Meowcon, that's not very high on my list of priorities. But make no mistake-- I drew that weapon myself.

In any case, wouldn't taking a few English lessons be more productive than annoying people who are making legitimate posts? Speaking of "getting a life..."

So you're saying you've never sold a paper?

If we could only speak to some of your poor victims, we'd at least have a fraction of the sum total. Alas, we only have your BS, indignant befuddlement.

No; it's never too late to post on a general thread topic. What's awkward and embarrassing is when one, for example, addresses the specific question of a years-old post within that general thread.

The short answer is no. The long answer depends on if you are asking that question about something specific in this dead, 2-year-old thread.

Any bead on where they operate out of? What did they sound like? The MO looks like some folks I used to work for out of Kiev.

Hey, spammer: you have no business being in this industry, except as a con-artist. Why don't you go do something you're good at?

This thread would look a lot less like one person with two screen-names spamming if the OP could turn "awesome" into something significantly more detailed.

It's fine if you want to leave in a huff, but please make sure to consider name-dropping your former employer on the way out. It would make your posting a lot more in tune with the nature of the forum.

There are some hard truths you need to accept, whether you're interested or not. You don't speak English well enough to be anything but a con-artist in this industry. Therefore, you deserve to be called a criminal. It doesn't matter whether or not you're actively seeking clients here. The fact that you don't even know when to use infinitives or gerunds means that you are actively deceiving any potential customers. You are setting yourself up as an academic helper, when in fact, you're a fraud who has problems with basic English.

I'd be a lot more aghast, and throwing some more names at you myself, except for the fact that you're positioning yourself in a dead market where you won't get any customers.

It appears that you have some experience in the industry, though, which is no surprise, since frauds are welcomed with open arms by a lot of companies. So, this is your chance to do something that actually helps for a change, and answer a simple question. When you were writing papers, for whom did you work?

I don't dispute that a few students use the essays as models-- and that's important, I suppose, to establish a reasonable intention on the part of the seller-- but the numbers outside of that isolated case seem to show a majority who don't.

Again: if the majority of students used the things as intended, pre-written essays would have a steady market value, turnitin.com or no turnitin.com.

I've always been meaning to do a controlled study re: clover honey vs. white vinegar degustation in musca domestica, but the grant money keeps falling through.

As I pointed out, the precipitous drop in sales puts some serious holes in the already-shaky theory that students were ever actually using the essays as "models."

I'm telling you, I did the academon royalty stream about ten years ago, made a couple thousand dollars a year doing so for a few years, and then watched the market dry up nearly completely over the last five years. It's a flat-line now, a joke. Take warning.

One thing you can count on is cheating students being careful not to get caught. Turnitin.com raised the risk of getting caught using pre-written essays through the roof.

You missed the boat, "expert," and you are a fool. 15 papers... ! if you had 5000 papers accepted, it would be barely $20 a year in the current market, and that's an optimistic figure. India has a huge, rising middle class, and I'm assuming you're not a part of it, if that kind of money means anything to you.

A promise is not money. Believe me, I used to make thousands of dollars at academon. It reached near standstill a few years ago in an inverse of turnitin.com's ascendance... about five years ago, coincidentally enough! The market is dry; don't be a stubborn fool.

Yes, I know. A lot of what goes on here belongs there, though. Use the search.

Hey, genius-- pre-written essays are useless; it's a market as dead as this thread. Didn't you notice that you're the first poster in over five years?

This person seems a little thick. Hey! Hey OP! You are pursuing what is known as a "dead lead." Are you naturally a stubborn person?


If you can't accept that truth, and it's not simply an error in understanding on your part, by all means, keep your sights securely on that pie in the sky you're imagining. You are assuredly horrible at English from an academic perspective, so I guess there's no harm. Just keep in mind that companies like academon will actually read, and have the option of denying, whatever you give them.

Where are you from, by the way?

I would say that yes, you are bidding a little too low, but bids vary by company, by due-date, and also by order. I would advise against using a flat rate. Probably the best thing for you to do would be to nicely contact your company's reps and ask them if they think your bids are realistic. Good luck.

For a while, my go-to was, "go to Essaychat with that request," but then I started feeling kind of bad, since that's basically like giving them wrong directions on purpose.

If we're really going to get into the legal nitty gritty, pretty much everything is going to need to be put into semantically indeterminate quotation marks, including "belong." But that's a lot of effort to waste on an anachronism.

The "recommended services" tab is your friend.

The last time I checked, it was legally impossible to plagiarize oneself. Anyway, it's a moot point, because pre-written essays are like dinosaurs and 8-track cassettes now.

No, not anymore. Turnitin.com has destroyed the pre-written essay market by making essays handed in more than a few times useless.

The collapse of the pre-written essay market, if you think about it, is a pretty good sign that the vast majority of students who buy term-papers just hand them in without changing anything. Otherwise, pre-written essays would still have value as "models."

I find 5-minute breaks every half-hour to be like "mini-exorcisms." It is an inappropriate post, ultimately, a sort of smart-ass invocation right before busy season starts. Thanks!

Don't worry, you can be a big deal on the internet.

There really aren't many niches, are there?

What a fantastic philosophical question to ask in a five-year-old thread... and so well-put. When should we expect the spam?

Here's a clue: you are stupid. Are you going to do something about that or what? Let me be the first to suggest a couple of English lessons.

What, five years later? Here's a clue that will stand the test of time: any company that tries to promise you a certain grade should cause you to run in the other direction.

Despirial-- The idea is that Ukrainian and Pakistani companies can't produce essays in a recognizable Western English, thus being ripoffs.

There is the thin argument that maybe the student is from Pakistan, and wants an essay in their own sort of English to match. It's a stretch to believe that an essay company would be able to survive in that niche, though, especially in an industry saturated and dominated by companies from Western English-speaking countries supplying a product valuable to those enrolled in Western English-speaking universities.

Where are you from, by the way?

(crickets)

Make four screen names-- check.
Go necro on a bunch of years-old threads-- check.
Make mundane observations in broken English-- check.
Address a direct question-- ...

Most students today just want a degree.

As one not responsible for necro in this thread, let me say that at one of the schools where I worked, I was ordered to "cheat" many times-- just goes to show you...

Trying to make yourself feel better? Misery loves company.

Please don't feed the animals.

An unwritten rule of many forums is that you use the search function before starting a thread that may be totally superfluous.