I wouldn't know as I haven't been here that long. However, I am inclined to think that the sites you mentioned are currently charging people less than they used to. Would I be wrong in that assumption?

Say, would these companies ever consider hiring someone like me? :p

Can everyone see the inherent lack of logic of this statement? The actual language of the law is what causes the loophole that makes the provisions that are supposed to guard against students submitting papers that they buy as their own ridiculously punitive. I'm not questioning these companies' legitimacy. My post has nothing to do with legitimacy and you are oh so sorely off-topic which your ever so predictable protectionist statements. :P


Does common sense count as evidence? I think one student here once wrote against the logic of buying something that you're not going to submit. I don't know, I'm not about to spend time trying to verify one way or the other. ^_^ But really, don't you find your evidence at least surprising?

Well yes, now that ESL writers that can give EFL writers a run for their money are actually accessible to the American/European buyer. ^_^ It's called competitive pricing. :p

But how reliable is your 2-3%? In the proof that you mentioned, it might have said that only 2-3% of students submitted essays that they bought exactly as those essays were but did it say how many students submitted essays after making only very minimal changes? Did it define the line between submitting something you bought and submitting something that can be called originally your work? Did it mention how many of these students who buy from essay writing mills actually quote the sources of their information as coming from such sites?

I think that it is utter naivety to even consider that a majority of students who buy from essay writing mills do not turn in what they buy to their professors. Sure some of them might go through the trouble of paraphrasing some or even the entire order that they bought but that still does not mean that they can claim the work as originally theirs.

However as for Damocrian's point in this thread, I believe that it is first and foremost the university's responsibility to safeguard their academic standards against the cheating that we do. If they suck at their job, then that's their problem.

One more thing: mysecurepayment/research/order.php

This is supposed to be one of the "good" essay millls according to WB. ^_^ The quote below is take from their site:

It is not legal for us to sell research to anyone who indicates that he or she will submit our work for academic credit.

Can everyone say it with me? Loopholes. :)

Hahaha... riiiiiight..... ^____^

Verified writers cost significantly more. :p Choose me. I'm not a verified writer but I'm still at the top 5 of essaybay's list. ^_^

Priceless. ^_^

Yey.. ^__^

Exactly. :D So how about it, moneeb? Did you submit the first essay they sent you as is? Did you intend to? Are you aware that they don't allow it?


Right... I could sift through old posts to show everybody who's the foremost master of name-calling in this message board but hey, I bet they know just as well as I do.

My response was typed after reading the first few posts of the thread. You just jumped on it because you're a paranoid freak. >.< Anyway, now that you know that the question isn't for you, you can just shut your trap and wait for moneeb's answer. :D

o.O err... am I the only one who thinks that this bozo needs professional help? The question wasn't addressed to you, dumdum. :p It's for the thread starter. I want to know if Legitimate Dissertations explicitly told him that he cannot use the paper as is.

I didn't say that, and I'm more than willing to admit that there have been plenty of occasions wherein I've had very irritating troubles concerning payment with the company. However, these troubles consist only a handful of the almost 2000 papers that I've done for them so far. I've been vocal enough about how I think that ew would always put their own interests first before their writers or customers but then i wonder what academic paper mill wouldn't or doesn't.

You're applying to ew, Lavinia? Well, I can't say I welcome your competition. :P I've taken a month off since it's the slow season anyway and I need to get geared up and focused for my day job. All I'm trying to point out is that chella_stanite here probably did plagiarize which was why even if the customer didn't complain and ask for a refund, she'd stand to lose her payment which ew would probably keep for themselves. This is sleazy and unfair but this also proves that chella_stanite should learn how to write academic papers better and avoid what copy-pasting she probably has been used to doing.

So waitaminit... Is Legitimate Dissertation one of the "good" academic assistance websites that only provides "guides" that you cannot submit to your professor as is because it will ping when it's run through a plagiarism scanner? ^__^

But I'm guessing that you did plagiarize, right?

His greed has finally caught up with him. ^_^

Tell that to my customers. :)

Besides, I don't think that the word lazy is such an insult. Many clients who I've catered to claim that they're just too lazy to work on the job that they're asking me to do. ^_^

I'm too lazy to read more than a couple of her posts. (no offense meant towards anyone, I really am just too lazy.)


Yep, it has. ^_^ I just got back from a vacation trip and I'm just waiting for my day job to take full swing. XD Good for you. :)


About what? I think by now we've both established how senseless the exercise is. :p It's not like we can close each other's companies down by tearing at each other with words (awaits a barrage of "I'm not working for any company" hehehe).

On a side note, I'm glad that people have been paying attention to this forum. I was actually able to get a couple of direct clients from it. :) More power to ya'!

Hmm.. anybody miss me? :p

It never does. :p It's sad that I'm still far too busy to participate. :D

My sentiments exactly. Go post-grad only if it's free. :)

I also understand SolidSnake's position. For folks in the industry, a graduate degree should be enough to have you qualified for upper management positions. Post-grad studies really only count a lot when you're in the academe or in a high-end, hard science profession.

Crickey, I feel for ya' mate. XD I hope it's all just some glitch. If you've been working for them for a long time now and have gotten paid several times before, then I think there's hope yet.

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Submitting the paper you bought as your own.

Well I couldn't help it. I just gotta summarize the stuff that I was able to flesh out the last couple of days before I take a break again to concentrate on the busy season. I'll try to make it as simple as I can.

Customers generally intend to submit the papers that they buy. Some of them make a few changes or add their own style but mostly, they buy so that they won't have to do the work. This is very reasonable in my book.

Genuine American sites claim that they do not allow this activity. If you buy from them, you can only use their work as reference that you should cite. If they were really firm in this rule, they can just feed the essays that they write to turnitin so that it would ping on a plagiarism scan if the student still submits it.

If American companies truly don't allow you to submit the paper you bought from them as is (or with minor changes) when that's exactly what you intend to do, then you shouldn't order from them. It's a waste of money.

If American companies just "tell" you that they don't allow you to submit the paper you bought but don't really take any measures to prevent you from doing so, then it's alright to order from them. However if this was the case, then it also means that these American companies aren't so clean as well. If that's the case, then they really are no better than non-American companies posing as American. Both of them deal with some sort of deceit in their business.

The bottom line for customers is this: Find a site that doesn't screw you. Find a site that gives you your money's worth. That's all that matters, right? Great! ^_^

If anybody needs me, don't message me through the pm system of this board. It doesn't work. You can email me at ewwriter@yahoo

See you all after the season. :) Everybody take care. ^_^

Just so everyone would know. I'm placing a moratorium on posting here until the busy season is over. XD There are so many orders that I just can't afford getting distracted no matter how entertaining it is. See you all again in a couple o' months. :D

I didn't say that. >.< I'm just saying that the opportunity's just too good to pass up. :)


IRS remember?


But it's the best paying one that's one there so far. Perhaps in time Essaybay would overtake EW, but that's still far from happening at the moment. ^_^

^______^ My points EXACTLY.


Hey, it's a living. It's not like I'm selling bad essays to students. They usually get very high marks from my work so I really don't see the problem. Besides, I've tried getting into one of your genuine American companies. I gave them my writing samples and they accepted me but then they asked me to fill out an IRS form which I obviously cannot do. So what choice do you have for me, Lavinia? Just ignore the profitable opportunity right in front of me and walk away?

All hail the loudmouth!!! Haiiiiillll!!! :D

o.O Uhh... you're watching too many conspiracy movies again. :)


That's not necessarily accurate. My paymasters are quite an evil bunch who'd steal my pay (or part of it) away if the customer made enough noise. :( Hence, I truly place a good amount of effort to deliver projects that ensure the client a good grade. Hey, but that's just me. :P

Wow.. thank you. It's not often that someone acknowledges that I'm not the one picking fights here.

Anyway, I apologize for contributing to the derailment of your thread. Let me make it up to you by contributing a bit to your concern. As a writer for essaybay, I'd probably charge you $12/page for your paper if it is in a field that I can handle. So that's about $72 + $25 (essaybay's commission) = $97.

So I guess $350 is pretty steep.


That's not fair... I'm very open with that fact. I'm not American.. so there. ^_^

ROFLMAO!!!!! You sound like the Martin Luther King Jr. of American essay writers. :D Still I say, it's all about quality, prices, and consumer freedom. We can give American customers better prices for quality essays and these are prices that the typical American writer just can't afford to compete with. We (or at least, I) offer customers freedom to submit the essays that they buy. This is something that you claim American writers would never do. All your stupid talk about genuineness of the company, outsourcing issues (Haha!!!), and the like aren't even minor issues... they're non-issues. :p

Sigh.. still don't get the point do you? Just stick around and read what I'm building to prove. ^_^

Easy there, loudmouth. ^_^ I wasn't making an assumption, I was asking a question. :p

Hmm... isn't that one of the "genuine" American essay writing sites?

Yep.. this is a variation of your standard response every time you get OWNED. ^_^

O.O you really should take some therapy dearie.. XD

I don't need to email your companies. See? I'm actually assuming that they DON'T allow students to send in their work and fleshing out what potential customers' responses to this are. :)

Exactly what do you mean by this? Are you saying that $20/page is cheap?


Well, some people here claim that genuine American essay writing services do not allow customers to turn in papers as is because it constitutes academic fraud (i.e., cheating). I say that if this was the case, then there's no point to buying from such companies. What do you think?


What? C'mon... I'm not the one who has personal vendettas. :p


yadda yadda yadda.. blah blah blah... hahaha :D

and I sympathize with you. Were you able to get a refund at least?


Interesting point... however, this would mean that these genuine American companies would be guilty of fraudulence as well if their supposed commitment was not actually sincere, don't you think so?

Hi tushar,

I'll contact you tomorrow. Right now my head feels like it's going to burst.. XD I need to get some sleep.

Let's say they cost about $20/page?

Nice... hey but what about the quality, right? I mean, I know that I write excellent papers but what about all the other ESL writers out there? ^_^

Do you guys think that you're all better off getting charged as much as $20 a page by genuine American writers whose companies won't even let you submit the papers that you buy from them and demand that you just use the papers as references and cite them in the paper that you'll be submitting?

No arguments there. ^_^ Still, if a company would tell you that you can't submit the essays that they sell you and you can only use them as references for your paper which you would still have to do on your own, would you buy a paper from such a company?

Thank you for your frank response. Hmm... so if a particular company tells you that you're not allowed to use their paper as your turn-in paper, would you still buy from them? :)