Victoria Gatehouse - yes, and we all know what her real name is.

As for Alexei (the owner) - Alex Wesson is not his only admin name.

Alexei - you had a couple of good admin on staff. You abused them and they gave you up ... regular tell-all. You know who I'm talking about.

Hey - aren't you going to sic Rusty on us or don't you want to provoke us into exposing the whole setup?

Again - stu4, the joke was really on you. If only you knew who you were siding with :) But, I'll give you this - you are not as bad as Alexei :) you are awful but not as bad.

English is the 10th language you speak? Ok ... what are the other 9? I speak 4 LIVING languages (besides English). We must have a couple in common. So, what languages do you speak?

When someone comes here, posts drivel and makes a ludicrous claim about speaking 10 languages, I want more info. Please provide it or go away ...

Writers who work for good companies are treated very very well.

My interest? The majority owner of a company and a writer.

No - we cannot pay writers the rates we pay, give the top performers end of season bonuses AND extend them
Paid vacations
Healthcare retirement benefits etc etc

You are proposing the annihilation of the industry.

If you are a good writer, work with the legits and you'll know what many here are talking about.

As for karma ... I hope you are right as I honestly believe that the deliberately irresponsible writers (not to mention scammers) should go under ...

Overtime? You are paid per page and the tighter the deadline,the higher your rate per page. Any who work for us, pls call me a liar if, based on you experience,we do not pay $9 minimum to $25+ per page, based on deadlines and degree of difficulty. Pls call me a liar if any of our top performers here (on this board) do not receive seasonal bonuses.

By the way - we are not an exception and the legits who have been in this industry longer than us do even more than that.

All,however, will draw the line at
Overtime
Paid vacations
Retirement benefits
Healthcare plans

Do you have a regular mechanic? If you do, pay his healthcare coverage, set him up with a retirement plan,give him overtime and then come here and lecture us ...

Your proposal is one which many are considering. But, you are misreading editor75 who specifically demanded unionisation, paid leave, healthcare, etc. Amons - as a site owner, can you afford that? None of us can.

Another proposal which several are considering is the formation of a shared database of BAD and unemployable writers.

Yes - the bad companies must be outted but so must be the writers who have no place in this industry.

WB - must you plant ideas in their bird brains? We will be hearing about stock options soon :(

Editor75:
Do you know the difference between an independent service contractor and a full-time employee? It is clear that you do not
1) as an independent service contractor you are not salaried; yes, you will be represented on the payroll when money is owed for work performed but, you are not salaried

2) as a nonsalaried independent service contractor, you are not entitled to healthcare or any other benefits

You work at will and only if admin believes you capable of undertaking a certain project.
You do not have fixed working hours.
You do not have a set of duties to perform
You are not exclusive.

You are not entitled to form a union. This is not a "workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains" world. Some freelancers are indispensable and they tend to be happy and not make the stupid arguments you are forwarding here. Others are very very dispensable.

Form your own little union of wannabe writers/definite twits. You will never have any legal standing and won't ever be recognized in those countries where employees have rights.

Let's stop tiptoeing around the real problem here and let's be honest for once (irrespective of how un-PC it may be). Thanks to the EW, AR, etc bunch, the industry is flooded with non native speakers who are barely educated and have no business writing in English (don't get me wrong, there are some excellent non-native writers out there - truly excellent). This group knows nothing of the Western education system (let alone the differences between them), has little, if any respect for Western values and culture and yet, wants our market and our legal entitlements. In the age of globalization, no problem BUT first get to understand and respect the market you want to enter and, at the very very least, respect its values.

As it is, this is nothing but a greedy, vampirish, parasitical proposal.

Go form your union. Before doing do, find gainful employment. Maybe we'll then be spared your nonsensical drivel.

Are you serious?! Healthcare?! Don't you want retirement benefits as well?

Work, make money and take out your own private healthcare plan - on your penny, not ours.

This is not a "money for nothing and the chicks for free world."

Get real or seek professional help.

Major - for the first time ever, I disagree with you. Only the good writers - the true pros - deserve respect. All others deserve to be permanently banned from the industry.

Why should we respect writers who show customers (and the company which took them on) the utmost disrespect through the provision of shoddy, plagiarized or barely legible work?

Why should we respect writers who were quite healthy a couple of hours before a deadline but are suddenly hospitalised?

Why should we respect writers whose hard disks constantly breakdown at the last minute?

We all know the excuses ... do these writers deserve respect?

The professional ones do. Professional writers actually inform admin when they can't complete a paper (do so only rarely) and are honest about it. These are the ones who deserve our respect and whom we MUST respect.

I am really not doing very well in this season of good will and brotherly love :(
Sorry about that :(

True :)

WB - you are mean! The poor creature doesn't know who Robbins is! Why go out of your way to make him feel even more stupid than he already does?

Danny Boy: considering that you probably did not understand a word of FW's post, I understand your aggression towards him. I know he makes you feel inadequate, illiterate and stupid but, your mental incompetence is hardly his fault. Your unenviable genetic pool is the real culprit here ... you need to redirect your anger towards your parents - after all, they are responsible for both your stupidity and senseless existence.

Seriously - are you really a writer? More importantly, do you honestly believe that you are qualified to work as a writer?

I am right here ... quite dumbstruck.

Danny Boy ... the pipes may be calling but none will mourn your absence or the death of your reputation in this industry.

Mods - Danny the Moron has just admitted to having 10 accounts here. Shouldn't he be banned for both the violation of forum policy and the exhibition of intolerable idiocy?

WB. - don't you think a well-placed phone call would shut him up?

If you quote the Bible - quote it correctly :)

Constitution?
Founders?

What about a Declaration of Independence?

Are you off your rockers?

Stupid hardly begins to describe you :)

I am sorry. You are not a moron. You are a super-moron :)

Ok - you are not a headhunter. Are you a warlord?

Your stupidity is mind boggling :)

If you knew anything about ANYTHING, you would never have associated me with 4writers :)

You are such a moron.

I know that your tribal mentality would find this difficult to understand - the law, not witchdoctors, is the solution :)

You have made a fool of yourself, multiple times.

No, I don't pay writers the first Tuesday after the 18th; have no African writers on our books except two wonderfully educated, much in demand, Kenyan writers.

The bonuses I am referring to far exceed your wildest imaginations :)

Everybody here knows which group of sites I am the majority owner of - none of our writers have complained about non-payment or fines (we don't have a fine policy in place).

Our writers are paid more per page than you are for 10 pages :)

And, no, you don't stand a chance of ever ever working with us ...

Not only do I pay my writers but I pay them top dollar, in addition to bonuses. You, wolfpro, would never ever make it through our (virtual) front door :)

As I am not affiliated with the company in question and have no writers from Nigeria, you just made a fool of yourself :)

I agree, however, that 4writers really does not give a flying fig about it's customers - they hired you, after all.

Writers - if your English is not above that of the average native speaker and if you are not thoroughly vetted prior to being hired (submit proof of degrees earned, etc.), know that you are being hired by scammers ... you deserve what you get.

What a wonderful idea!!!!

Do you really want any to take you seriously?!

ozadventure = takerone.
9 companies - the exact same experience, word for word.
We'll soon be hearing about the company which did not scam him/her - if the mods don't ban him/her first.

I replied ages ago - check your spam folder.

"there are no legitimate services out there"!!!????

Prove it.

Tell us about your experiences with all the writing services in the industry.

Sweeping statements such as yours are illogical and erroneous.

Turnitin is not open to students. Their writecheck division is
Writecheck.turnitin.com

Takerone is not to be taken seriously and is, in no way, believable.

Read his/her posts :)

CP does not falsely advertise the delivery of plagiarism reports along with the finished paper. You chose their service and they delivered according to their advertised claims and, as you admitted, satisfied your expectations.

There is no reason to mistrust them or their writers. They have been in business for eons and they have no record of fraud.

However, if you want to check, you can go to writecheck.turnitin.com. You'll just be wasting your money though - the company does not plagiarise.

FYI - this is the informed opinion of a COMPETITOR and not someone affiliated with CP.

I hate to come out in defense of masterpapers but the OP is either
1) a lying competitor, not a customer
2) a fraudulent customer trying to get free papers

It is highly unlikely that you had the exact same experience with 3 companies or that they all responded to your threat in the same way - refunded you on the spot.

Another giveaway is that customers do not place orders through Brownie Freelance and they receive a PDF version of the order which they are then required to accept or reject. You didn't even know that, did you?

Look - genuine complaints are alright and the purpose of the forum is to expose scams.

Fake complaints are not okay, though.

Lie and you will be treated with the disrespect due to all liars.

Care to tell us which company FINALLY gave you a wonderful piece of work? Or are you going to slam a few other companies before you do so?

Even where masterpapers and EW are concerned, few will tolerate fake complaints. People like you undermine the entire purpose of the forum ...

Go away ...

Yes ... makes you wonder if it is a competitor posing as a student ...

I don't mind APA but prefer footnotes (Chicago). MLA is the one I hate :(

Wanderlust - I must confess my surprise and (forgive me), skepticism. AA is not known for substandard work and when they do make a mistake, refund their customers.

Communicate directly with them. That's the best approach.

It is more than apparent that you failed to grasp the subject matter. The thread you referenced was about a very specific case of libel, involving a known individual - an individual who employed various usernames to attack and libel all industry competitors.

The mods kept the thread (as they did with others) in their untampered form for legal purposes. These threads proved invaluable evidence against the individual in question. Although she no longer operates in this industry (her sites were taken offline), she comes here from time to time to attack one and all.

Now - how is that even relevant to the argument you're trying to make against this forum.

We, as a company, have been attacked on this forum - we responded, the mods never tampered with the evidence posted and we never felt the need to add our names to the DND list.

We - as in the majority here - may know (for a fact) that Yuri is less than honest with his writers. He underpays and provides customers with substandard work. That does not mean that we would simply jump at any opportunity to attack EW - you've made a claim against them but have phrased it in an extremely obscure manner.

How much do they owe you?
Have they given you a reason for non-payment?

If your academic writing and arguments are anything like your posts, it could well be that the customers rejected your work outright.

Again:
1) how long have you been working with them?
2) did they pay you in the past?
3) how much do they currently owe you?
4) did they explain their failure to pay?

We are hardly asking you to disclose your ID, your address or your bank account number ... so, why not simply answer these questions?

I'm always getting spammed by thessay.co.uk (full of grammar errors btw). They aren't even slamming my personal email but my business one :)

Yes ... date and time would be good :)

That's exactly the point. If people are so suspicious of this forum and believe the administrators involved in some kind of grand conspiracy to silence them, why do they come here?

As Amons pointed out, there is no evidence to suggest that the mods tamper with posts so why would they 'distort' whatever 'evidence' you post?

Many here know that certain sites are less than honest. That, however, does not mean that any claims made against these sites will be accepted without question. If you say you have 'evidence,' show it. If you don't, then move along ...

Not revenge. We gave you multiple chances to go away with grace and dignity. You chose to lie, lie and lie.

In all cases, it is out of my hands now. You are responsible for what follows. Yes, we attempted to ignore you as it is not easy to make a decision which would, in essence, gain you a permanent criminals record - not to mention the civil suit. You gave us no choice. After today's posts, it became clear that police involvement and legal action were imperative. There is no going back.

Now ... you may rant to yourself here. I will not respond. This is a criminal and civil matter now.

Call the met police. The first part of the code I posted is the report after the dash, the date.

The number for the Met Police is 3001 :)

Again, stop imagining things.

So ... Should I refer to you as Saphi?

No, there is no reason to remove the thread as it is evidence against you.

Evidence cannot be tampered with, just as Amons has correctly pointed out. Post screen shots and blacken out your name, if you want. The site mods will hardly waste their precious time photoshopping and distorting your 'evidence.'

It is now in the hands of the met police and the lawyers. They have access to the emails sent and received, just as they are on the server. As a result, nobody from the company will be responding to you here. You have outdone yourself - it is tremendously sad that you would go out of your way to lie, lie and lie again.

The police will handle the criminal aspect.

The courts will handle the civil suit.

Contrary to your assumption, a lie does not become the truth if repeated time and time again - at least, not in this day and age of third-party electronic evidence and time stamps which cannot be tampered with.

Good luck in all your future endeavors.

Student has been reported to the Met Police for
1) threats made
2) doctoring statements
3) fraud
4) Cyber-stalking
5) Harassment
6) Public Slander and libel

Criminal Activities
Civil Action

Case Reference # CAD.

FYI - retain a lawyer as the criminal aspect is tremendously serious.

Thanks for the clarification but, pls pls pls, keep the name in the quotes :( Helps us identify who you are responding to.

I truly don't understand what you are driving at here. You will stop posting when the forum's longest-standing member stops posting? Do you know how many companies she has exposed and, in the process, how many students and writers she's helped?

I am sorry but I really don't understand the nature of your argument with WB. Taking her on is an exercise in futility as she'll run rings around you. If you assume that engaging with her would endear you to other posters, you are wrong. It simply makes us question why you would attack the one person who has done more to fight fraud in this industry than any other has. It makes us question whether you have something to hide.

This is an honest question ... why are you acting like this? You certainly come across as intelligent enough to know better.

WB - four papers in all. Each time there was an excuse for non payment. One time it was Essay Crowns and UK Papers having taken all her money :)

She is now claiming that I threatened her life :)

Great ... you can have your say in a legal setting :)

25 mins ago by Shellyanne 0 Votes

I have tried to delete these posts. As I said this woman is very mean and she will go out of her way to threaten to ruin your life. I feel threatened and harassed now. I want to delete the posts. I honestly made a mistake to ever get involved with her website and now this one. PLEASE CAN WHOEVER MODERATES THIS SITE HELP ME ? I WANT TO REMOVE MY POSTS FOR FEAR OF WHA T THIS WOMAN MIGHT DO TO ME. SHE HAS MY DETAILS AND IS THREATENING ALL SORTS AND I DONT EVEN KNOW WHY.PLEASE DELETE THE POSTS.

20 mins ago by UK Dissertation Writers 0 Votes

You cannot delete the posts. We have the screenshots. What we will do is completely legal and since you are in the right, why are you afraid?

Legal = going after you for fraud and libel. No small claims court either. This is the big league.

14 mins ago by Shellyanne 0 Votes

I am afraid of what you will do next. You scare me. You ruin my education already and next you want to ruin my life. I swear on my dads grave my essay i ordered was late. It says so in all the emails. Your threats are for nothing and they are constant. I am trying my best to delete them from here so you can stop accusing me of slandering your company and then maybe i wont feel so afraid of what evil you are capable of. You pursue too many personal attacks and its quite scary, I REALLY WOULD LIKE THESE POST DELETED.

12 mins ago by Shellyanne 0 Votes

I have email this site to ask them to remove my posts. Sorry Kim. Please stop threatening me now. Thank you.

Please post a screenshot of the threats and the harassment. Is responding to your lies harassment? Is exercising our legal right to stop liars in their track, evil?

Not millions, no, but they pay ... there is a price to violating the law and you are a repeat offender.

I don't see how or why the notion of a court case scares you. After all ... aren't we the liars?

You decided to bring matters to this point. There is no going back. We will establish, in an impartial legal setting, all that you are guilty of. No - we are not `destroying you' - you will only have yourself to blame if it comes to that.


How about telling Panorama your story? Who knows ... you might be the new "Queen of Hearts."