Because they have the skill and knowledge to run the business so that customers are happy.

I understand your dilemma. On the DND page you share the same spot with your biggest opponent on this forum. It's like you and Modmuff are in one prison cell. On most issues you hate each other, but on this one issue you are cursed to be lovers. It must be hard, but I hope you'll survive. :)

You already did, the .co.uk guy (:-).

There are many legitimate sites discussed here, also with complaints, but they know by discussing them they can improve their services. For example, BestEssays.com, there are some complaints (mostly fabricated by the competition), but it only means the site runs a normal business and there are no ways of avoiding a complaint from time to time.

By banning all discussions about a particular site the message is quite clear. Imagine the US president ordered the public that as of today it is prohibited to discuss his actions and all online messages about him will be deleted. Would you trust such president?

Nobody except the listed sites' owners and forum administrators know the real reason why they are on the 'DO NOT DISCUSS' list. Some sites may lie about their true location (for example are run from Kenia and list a fake American address) or may lie about their operations and don't want others to discuss that. Other sites may have so much complaints that it's better for them not to deal with difficult clients in public.

The bottom line is - in my opinion it is not a good idea to try any of the sites listed on the 'DO NOT DISCUSS' list because when something goes wrong you have no recourse nor protection against fraud or mistreatment. A legitimate website is not afraid of being discussed in public, only the shady ones may have an interest of depriving their current and prospective customers of freedom of speech and expression.

What is the FACT then? You cannot prove that my statement is incorrect either.

"American" websites: 2%
International websites: 6-10%

It is my genuine opinion. You want to ban a poster for expressing his opinion on a forum? :))

YOU are free to give your OPINION too, and I'll be glad to hear it.

It's because Google finds the website relevant and useful, that's why it's ranked and valued highly by independent search engines.

My prediction is that businesses that have created their market on deception or with ;help; of lawyers will be doomed sooner than 2020. Those that created garbage content on thousands of webpages (ie. by changing title and some words on the page) will go away too. Customers are more educated now not to be fooled by meaningless statements, website age, or repeated keywords on web pages.

"worried"

It is clear you are a shill working with WritersBeware to hype the company you're promoting. Do you do this job for free, maybe you are his "SEO writer" too?

Now my worry is that a company working with such ESL article writers on a daily basis may use them for their regular business services because they.. usually write and publish articles at no charge to build their portfolio. Some ESL writers write free example essays to prove they understand the English language as well.

I'm just worrying about the end users like myself, that's all.

I assume the only proof you would accept is a private email conversation between you and the article writer (including screen shots and IPs taken from ISPs), correct?

But let's take your approach - you wrote:

"commissioned SEO article".

How can you prove the article was COMMISSIONED? ( I do personally know it was commissioned because you were the one who commissioned that. ) But how would you prove it to the public - ie. prove exactly what you demand me to prove?

I don't understand your point.


I asked if this paragraph:

"Author Resource:- Want to know more about the writing of a Research Paper, it would be recommended that you come and visit us for a never forgetting experience. Also, if interested, we have plenty of Research Paper Topics available for you to chose from."

could be written by an uneducated, second-rate ESL writer or not? What is your opinion on that?

I've just asked if the presented and documented proof was a good example of second-rate ESL (English as Second Language) writing or not.

You can call it as you like, but the PROOF is clearly presented above. I'm sure the independent readers get the message.

Let me explain. There is one gang of posters that includes the following members: WritersBeware, FreelanceWriter, WRT, and pheelyks. They work for the same company (referenced as ET here). In other words, they treat this forum as a way to revive their declining business.

First was WritersBeware (he came directly from Essay Fraud website which was shut down), then the other stooges followed him. FreelanceWriter and pheelyks are so desperate that they solicit posters for freelance jobs directly on the forum. Writers Beware - he's too busy doing his SEO/spam jobs, but will appear as soon as a competing website is perceived good (because that directly affects his business) or the website he works for gets yet another dissatisfied client posting here.

The stooges seem to be well educated, even friendly, and eloquent - but in fact they are the 'Al Gores' of this forum. FreelanceWriter is a champion stooge - first he directly violates the forum rules, then tries to explain how it was not a violation by twisting the facts. WritersBeware is like a kid who's got the latest Ipod and posts WHOIS information and links to other meaningless blogs he found using the tools. Then he claims they are his 'proofs'. He's thinks he's smart and whatever he says is true (if you oppose, then he'll start calling you names until you give up). In reality, each and every word he writes has one purpose - to discredit his competition so that his own business is doing well. If you know Essay Fraud then you know WritersBeware's motives.

Websites the stooges badmouth and slander here (they usually reference to them as "Ukrainian" or "Pakistani" frauds) don't apper to have their representatives. I don't know why, probably they are tired of these games. If anything, some stupid spammer pops up from time and feed the stooges' agenda. That's why, it appears that whatever the stooges say is true (because they post like a propaganda machine, to the point that a lie becomes the truth in some of the readers' eyes).

I hope I have clarified what's this forum is about; hopefully this post will get sticked so that new members know how to differentiate lies and hidden agendas from the truth.

I'm considering using their services, so I'm a prospective buyer. I've been resarching bestessays.com and hundreds of other companies for a long time now. Before I buy, I do research, a VERY DETAILED one.

My knowledge is based on my personal experience that I have gathered throughout the years. And I know whoever is working for a company X AND posts here then his opinions are and will always be biased. Admission of the fact doesn't change that -- and most important -- it DOES NOT CHANGE the forum rules.

Show me a point in the rules saying that "If you admit you work for a company you are allowed to advertise them without solicitation" just like the FreelanceStooge has been doing here.

I'll probably open a new thread, but here are the NEW forum rules:

1. If you provide a real personal experience or knowledge (the posters who determine it's real or not are the three stooges: WritersBeware, FreelanceWriter, and pheelyks), sometimes WRT too, then it is perfectly fine to advertise here. But they will 'believe' that your knowledge or experience is "real" only if you work for the company their work for (ET and affiliates); otherwise, expect being called a 'liar, fraudster, Ukrainian fraud, etc.'.

2. If they attack you about 'no recommendations are allowed' then just say it is your personal knowledge or experience and that it does not qualify for advertising.

So it is perfectly OK to advertise 'reputable companies' and it is not allowed to advertise 'non-reputable' companies? FreelanceWriter should get a BAN NOW if the rules are to be equal for all posters, especially that he has been doing it all over again despite the warnings.

What great experience you have! I also know excellent writer (was it you?) who written hundreds essays for Best Essays and he has very similar experience (maybe 0.01% orders anticipate problem, that is a great ratio, don't you think?). He's native English speaker based in West Virginia, USA, and I know he provides both excellent final product and great customer service. He said most Best Essay writers are equally good and reliable.

I've been personally dealing with BestEssays.com since 2002. It is a totally trustable and legit company. If you order an essay, research paper, or a dissertation from them, you will always get 100% original work. If there is no available writer to take the order, you will get 100% refund, no questions asked. Like most companies, the quality of the paper is always determined by the writer who takes your order. Once you find someone who meets your expectations, you can always request the same writer for your future projects.

Is WritersBeware and his company trying to fool the public about his company's age? Or am I wrong?

ET has recently bought a few domains, including A1-TermPaper.com and 1-800-termpaper.com from an individual who had ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION with the company WriterBeware is in connection with (and which was established in 2001).

Now, WritersBeware and his staff created this web page: ET/1995.html and try to FOOL THE PUBLIC about the real age of their company in order to deceptively gain customers' trust. They claim:


The above sentence suggest the main company (ie. ET*) was in existence since 1995, which is an utter lie.

UNLESS I'm wrong and a company has the legal right to claim they have existed more than they have actually existed as soon as they take over a similar and older company? But then, WB's claims that 'Site X didn't exist since 1997 because the domain was not registered until 2002' can be easily booted because they could rightfully claim one of their founders has started writing essays as an academic freelance writer in 1997 and that was in fact their original starting date?

Or Hyundai motor company (founded in 1947) could buy Ford (founded in 1903) and they could then legally advertise they are the oldest auto company maker in the world, founded in 1903?

What are opinions of the more knowledgeable individuals on this forum? :)

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How do I know about all this? It's simple - the original owner of the domains sent the inquiry to buy the domains (A1-termpaper.com among others) to dozens of emails associated with 'essay writing'. I'm sure some of the essay writing company representatives visiting this forum have received a similar email. That email is the hard proof of my claims.

Btw. I'm pretty sure WB was the author of the web copy mentioned above. Check how 'knowledgeable' he is on the subject and the time line of his posts, it's not yet another coincidence, is it :)

Err, do you think I"m writing from jail? You purposely ASSUMED a completely false fact and keep repeating this lie over and over again. It doesn't mean the lie will become the truth, even Al Gore got busted on that.

OK, old man. Watch when I open a new thread and write:

MyEssayCompany.com is a totally legitimate essay service (thread title)

I do not recommend MyEssayCompany.com, but they have been serving customers around the world for 15 years and 99.8% of them are always satisfied. They beat their competition as far as the price and final product is concerned. This is all my experience and this thread is opened for information purposes only.

Let me explain how things work at MyEssayCompany.com. It's simple - we are cost efficient so we can charge our clients only a fraction of our competition and at the same time we hire the best writers in the world. All requests are answered by our customer service persons within 5 minutes. We provide free revision and unconditional refund. Our company has been mentioned in the world news media and on a number or respectable websites, including Facebook.

I write for them and I know they always pay on time, never had a problem with my payment. They do not impose any penalties on writers and their payout rates is one of the best in the industry.

Now I hope the world knows how MyEssayCompany.com works and if you need further explanation let me know and I'll clarify. But do not ask me for recommendations, these are not allowed!

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Hopefully now you'll see you aren't fooling anyone by your 'explanations'. If you still don't get it, get a brain fix.

Is it just me to notice that FreelanceWriter w*0res his services (along with ********* services) on this forum and by miracle WritersBeware keeps quiet?

If someone asks about a different company, WritersBeware would shout at him/her that: research paper sites recommendations are not allowed!

FreelanceWriter, like a cheap wanna-be lawyer, only 'admits' he writes for 'reputable companies'. Duh, the fact that you admit something which is not allowed is still violation of the forum rules!

For me it's simple - one idiot claimed personX is Melissa. Then another idiot (related to the first one) said he agrees. Then their buddy confirmed it (only because he wants to feel better about himself and is looking for friends).

Of course the volume of posts of the three stooges is greater than one poster's posts (even though s/he sent several KO punches LOL). But it doesn't change the fact the three stooges are and will always be wrong.

Here I have to agree with WB and WRT, a good example of illegal activity:

"There are many different ways that a student can use a pre-written term paper in order to increase his or her grade or in order to understand how term papers should be written. A pre-written term paper will not only be complete and provide students with some useful guidance, but it may also serve as a basis for the student's own assignment.

Many students will buy or find free pre-written term papers that they plan to use with their courseworks. These pre-written term papers are generally available online through term paper databases. Students need to make sure that they are getting a well-written and high quality pre-written term paper if they choose to use it for a grade."

*********.com/writing/pre-written-term-paper



That may also insinuate the company knows and accepts the fact their papers will be used to earn an academic grade. Correction time?

You clearly do not understand the basic principles of the system you live in (capitalism). Let me quickly school you.

In order for capitalism to survive, it NEEDS debt.

Debt = Slaves

Debt is like air for the capitalistic system. Without debt the US economy is ruined. The "aid" you talk about is not free money, but it is a debt that will be paid over the next decade.

Look at the American economy now - the gov is giving away free money because it cannot breathe. Unless people start borrowing money the system will not survive.

US first destroys countries by senseless war and then plays a good uncle and rebuilds the ruined country. It's all to create debt.

Just wait until the US dollar is not a world-wide currency, you will be the first to come to all these "less developed" countries just to survive (unless you learn how to eat worthless dollar bills). Hey, maybe you'll get lucky and will be hired by one of the "foreign" companies too.

You mean lawsuit because I'm black? Or Ukrainian?


That too, but start with the bailouts. Will there be the American essay industry bailout too?

I don't know what sites you're talking about, but I guess it can go both ways as everything in life. Have you heard about karma?


Right, especially that Americans now borrow the socialism system from the Soviets. As I wrote above, everything can work both ways and your own gun can turn against you.

You are pathetic and present typical American behavior. I used to work with a group of Americans. All they did was to mock and laugh at anything and anybody as soon as the person they mock cannot hear the 'conversation.' After talking to their client - they mock them because of their accent. When their boss told them to be nicer over the phone, they would laugh at him when he left the office. 30 year old men, but behaving like rotten idiot teenagers. They thought it was "cool behavior", how low can you go.........

I wonder if I found your picture and post it in public, would you have a good laugh too? We would then "analyze" your features so that you could have laugh with us, hopefully you'd join the conversation.

It's so typical on this board. One unemployed loser who has nothing better to do finds a link and posts it online. Then other losers beat it up to the point the false becomes 'the truth' (in their eyes at least).

It's quite common a website developer takes one or more websites and tries to do a similar design. It is not illegal, especially the sites were still in the working mode and not fully finished. Not to mention the developer was probably hired as a freelancer and if antything he should be responsible for his actions, not the service buyer.

It's like you copy an article from an online newspaper to your MS Word and then write an essay bases on that. You claim that if I have this article copy-pasted to my MS Word (which could also be available online like OpenOffice) then I'm a criminal :). When I do my homework and my mom can see I have copied an article on my MS Word, she should call the copyright police too! :). You do exactly the same every day (or you did when you were still employed).

Not to mention her location - you only THINK you know where she is in fact located, but you have absolutely no hard evidence.

Get a life.

So you are from Philippines? You MUST be a fraud then! Just check WB's "proofs" (he again, didn't forget to point out the nationality):

Philippines research fraud.

I don't even know how you can look at the mirror:

Ukrainian
Pakistani
Indian
Chinese

And don't forget to check who started and participated in all these threads that have "nothing to do with nationality."

WRONG. If a client places an order he or she is not aware of the location.

Funny, the company you're trying to slander also provides the address and other legal information via email.

No, I'm just trying to tell you that you are on the wrong side. You are and will always be an ESL Writer, but now you seem to forget it. But they will never forget it and will remind you on the next occasion.

In other words, let's say you are of the "Asian race". But you moved to the town of the white guys only (who hardly accept Asian guys in their town) because you are a good cook. And they pay you an acceptable wage you would not earn in your foreign country.

You've been comfortably living there for a while to the point that when you see another Asian guy in the town you shout with the other white guys to get the hell out of here. You forgot your roots and you don't even know the white guys are making fun of you when they are alone. And they always will even if your skills were unmatched.

Now you shout at me to despite I'm the "Asian guy" too. But you may understand what I mean the next time you look for a job.

Here I agree with WB - you shouldn't judge anything because you are an ESL writer and cannot think straight.

That was easy. For the same reason why you (*********) intentionally and unlawfully HIDE the business address from the public.

IF that's the case, you must be a moron (sorry to be blunt).

Ask yourself: "Why would I be paid LESS if I write on the same or better level than American writers?"

It is YOU who are the problem because you don't believe in yourself and your own skills. You allowed to talk yourself into the bull*it of the American owners like Justin who would tell you that you should be happy to write for less just because you don't live in the US.

I bet they joke at you behind your back saying you are 'yet another Asian ESL writer who dares to get good money despite he lives overseas'.

And your post is another proof of working injustice in most American companies who pay you not for your skills, but for your residence location or even race.