this thread is lousy with rat squealing and ass-kissing. have you no shame?

I'll be keeping my expectations low, but it's vaguely reassuring that sometimes they give cash incentives, rather than this other BS.

during peak season, there are more than enough orders to go around. the bidding system does suck, but you can just snatch orders with no lag-time, once you're premium. I got to premium by getting 10 reward points and asking admin when I would be made premium-- the next day, I was. you get reward points when a customer is happy with your order, but you have to draw admin's attention to it-- they don't do surveys.

I'd be a lot more motivated to take orders for AR if reward points had an established cash value. it's potentially a good performance incentive, but they're under-utilizing it.

looking to feel worthwhile, huh? good luck with that.

with AR, it's best to stay away from taking already-late orders, and not reassigning revisions. if you do either of these things, the fines are light, but, jmho, you deserve them. often, the customer can be made happy with just a few changes. also, AR admin can be argued with, and they will often reverse fines, or charge the cust. more if there really are "addings" required. if your friend put half as much energy into talking to AR admin, as you are putting into being their honorary squeaky wheel, it might be somewhat productive for them, and much less annoying for the rest of us.

home goal? you're shooting in the wrong direction. this is the wrong team for cheese-eaters.

(sigh) I don't take a lot of pride in doing other people's homework for them, no. sorry if your friend does-- hope that changes.

pride does make a revision request seem like a slap in the face, though. it makes you want to escape to a mysterious vacation-land without email.

can I give you some advice?-- don't get emotionally involved in these projects. finish them, and move on. if you can't stand the way a company treats you, quit.

yeah, I've seen what passes for empirical here-- a bunch of links and self-quoting. sorry, don't have the time. companies lie. take it or leave it.

wow, I didn't know your friend was so morally committed to churning out quality term papers for other people to hand in. my mistake.

my argument is flawed, sure. so is your reckoning. my dog in this fight (where's yours, by the way) isn't resentment about missing a one-off law paper. it's the off-season, and I have a day job. my problem is your high horse, and the fact that none of this is any of your business.

anyway, I think you missed my point-- your friend's hard work wouldn't be wasted, if they could hand this paper in for a similar assignment in the future. you've kept it from being reused by them, too.

there are plenty of web paper mills with horrible web copy, dubious addresses, and clueless phone reps, which get tons of orders, and pay on time. while these factors may signal caution, they shouldn't provoke complete avoidance. "legitimate" companies lie all the time. the bottom line is, do they pay?

OR is right about one thing-- your experience is going to be a better guide than random strangers on a message board.

anyway, I hope your friend gets a similar assignment in the future.

then someone else goes down in flames, too! I wish I were a hacker...

sorry, didn't take it... btw, your friend's "excellent" paper is full of grammatical errors, which leads me to believe (along with the lack of quotes) that the parts that aren't, are plagiarized. I wouldn't wipe my *** with it. if I were the customer, I would have asked for a full refund. I hope your friend gets fired, you rat *******.

hi exwriter. I was wondering...

what makes you so gleeful about completely ******* the unfortunate new writer who bids on this order?

it's not the new writer's fault; they are just bidding on orders, minding their own business. what did they do wrong? your friend could have easily revised the paper by changing a few sentences and sending it back to the customer-- this is often all it takes. but where are they? on vacation, leaving their busybody pal behind to do their dirty work. and you love it, don't you?

re: $5 fine, please. who cares? I agree that companies shouldn't fine writers, but $5 is not worth getting some innocent writer who bids on the order next, fired for plagiarism. if your friend doesn't like the fines, they can quit. what business is it of yours, anyway?

posting this paper-- wtf do you think you are, some kind of knight of the downpressed? please, do me a favor and stop feeling good about yourself. you are being a total cheese-eater.

essaywriters has scads of orders, but lately, a majority of those are for the taking, at $3.60 per page (or less). boooo! I remember a past essaywriters fondly, before they changed their fine structure, started offering all these cheapo orders, and completely screwed me. anyway, they always have orders, if you can deal with total ********.

the only Ukrainian I ever got to know personally was really hot, smart, and spoke slightly accented, flawless English.

thanks, these seem like good, trustworthy companies.

who follows the forum rules anyway? don't be shy.

Aside from spelling, UK English has a few different words for stuff too, a lot of it having to do with car parts.

lorry= truck
bonnet= hood
windscreen= windshield
flat= apartment
aluminium= aluminum
labor=labour

etc.

They also drink their beer warm; gross. generally, though, I think the customers want to focus on sources-- UK journals, books magazines, etc.-- and spelling.

good companies know how to retain good talent. if a company fails to retain good talent, it is being unsustainable. this is the lesson of advanced capitalism vs. late capitalism. if it is advanced capitalism, the writer wins, and the customer is ******. if it is late capitalism, the company ***** the writer.

I think it's funny that some of you seem to want to have pride in your writing, doing this kind of writing. it's dreck! save the good stuff for your novel. personally, I fry these things up fast and loose, and then forget about them.

if a company fines you for something unfairly and won't listen to you, you should quit. if you stay with a company like this, it's giving them tacit permission to treat you like ****. different people are going to get along with different companies in different ways. personally, I've never had any serious problems with academia-research. their 3 strikes system makes me nervous, but they can be reasoned with. as to how 1 strike is better...? unless you're a company owner, I don't see it.

there are too many options to stay with a paper mill that is treating you badly.

turnitin.com needs to be brought down with a worm or virus, too bad all of you who may be hackers can't do it, because you're too scared.

fining is ridiculous; they are already making a 60% profit, at the very least, on every order. there is no reason to be a pig, and no excuse for it.

WriterJohn-- wtg, good post. I like your style. but why would essaywriters.net stop fining their writers double for fake refunds? it's a good scam from their standpoint. they get 100% back again on a fake refund, at the writer's expense. I wouldn't change that; what are they thinking, reducing fines?! is this true?

Oxbridge-- I'm not trying to like provoke you by saying that you can't predict the future. I'm just saying, I'm happy with academia-research.com, right now. and, you mentioned, "hundreds and hundreds of projects, etc. etc.?" what are you, some kind of wise owl? keep it to yourself, please, wise owl, shame on you!

"reward points" please. they mean nothing; all you have to do is make Premium. bragging about your reward points. really.

WB, you seem to be saying two things at the same time:

1. that fraudsters create the illusion that everyone is a fraud in order to deceive customers, and

2. that everyone is a fraud.

does this mean that you yourself are a fraudster?

you seem more experienced in this industry than many of us, so pray tell about these "righteous" paper mills that "stand for truth." I'm really curious.

I may very well be crying about academia-research.com next. it's always in the back of my mind, with anyone in this crappy industry, that they are trying to rip me off. I don't know why some of you expect anything more. this is not a pie in the sky kind of industry, and when a pie in the sky situation comes up, the company usually goes under pretty quickly. I had a contractor in Manhattan who paid me $20 per page, flat rate. it was great, until a couple of months later, the company was defunct.

my point is, in terms of choosing between evils, academia-research.com is a lot better than essaywriters.net, because they are actually capable of listening to their writers. they have proven this to me; your innuendo and prophetic warnings cannot provide the same proof.

anyone would and should be scared ****less to work for essaywriters-- with a lot of these mills, there's a blip here and there of some disaffected plagiarizer crying, but with essaywriters, there's a sustained stream of outrage and invective that takes up a significant % of its search engine hits. it is one of the most hated and feared mills out there, and for good reason-- it is staffed by bridge trolls, and has no qualms about cannibalizing its own talent.

name names!

it's not where you're from, it's where you're at.

misbehaved megalomaniacs make great small business owners, because they can't deal with authority. he is right about some of you being biased against Ukrainians, though, and is often very funny.

remember, people: embrace the mafia compo, and get in the forklift.

sometimes their software picks up quotations as plagiarism, and you can contact them about it and convince them to reduce or eliminate the fine. sometimes.

I have plagiarised myself before. sometimes I just tell the client, "look, you're not just supposed to hand it in. you have to change parts. I've written like 10 of these; I'm going to repeat myself." sometimes they are cool about it.

that was just advice. if essaywriters.net is associated with this company, they probably rip off their writers with unrealistic and outrageous fines. you should work for a company that treats their writers better.

no, I mean that we need to support the rights of writers, vs. scammers and cheats who don't know late-stage capitalism from advanced capitalism (screw the customer, not the worker!).

unified, we are stronger, but only one of us gets to drive the forklift through their offices.

I have officially quit essaywriters.net.

on the same day, I have resolved a communication dispute at academia-research.com, in which I was first accused, and then cleared, of plagiarism. the staff there were generally understanding and nice about the process, and seemed truly sorry about their mistake. essaywriters.net, on the other hand, used plagiarism as a weapon, gave me the cold shoulder, and never listened to a word I said (their machine had picked up quotations as "plagiarism").

between the two, it is like night and day.

thanks.

don't be scared. tell me in pig-latin, or indirectly let it slip, or something.

sorry, I want to hear, "we've solved the problems." "we're working on them," just makes me roll my eyes.

what is RWC?

nice try, but it's indefensible, imho.

check this out: this is from essaywriters.net.

"Topic: The American social/economic sytem is set up against minorities, esecially Black Americans
Files: 1
Messages: 24 Research Paper May 28 2009 20:26 Order is refunded
Feedbacks: 0 67.50 $-80.5 not paid"

notice the (-$80.50): that's how much I'm being fined. what you can't see from this snippet is, that this was originally a $50 paper, which I got a $17 bonus on. then, out of the blue, essaywriters.net told me that the paper was plagiarized, so the customer was refunded. I'm still not sure why the fine exceeds the original value of the paper by about thirty bucks.

I checked their turnitin report, and all of the "plagiarism" was in-text citations! it was all in quotation marks... ?!?!

anyway, my one consolation is that, since I've quit, they'll never get this outrageous fine. I could kick myself for giving them a second chance.

yes, I am here to flame people and complain. what else am I going to do here, something constructive? please. flaming and complaining is what these things are made for.

re: the grammar police, I just hate to see people bashed just because they are ESL or something. it's like it makes them subhuman to some of you people, who are paranoid ****s and, imho, weird, backwards, cold-war nostalgists.

anyway, essaybay is hilarious-- they keep sending me emails telling me what my username and password are, and telling me to log in, and I keep emailing them back that the username and password they are giving me don't work. repeat. thanks for the personal note, "Carly," about maybe addressing the problem Monday, but, it'll be too late. your system is bugging already, and I haven't even started-- this is a sign for me to move on.

I've been looking for a new place to write after quitting essaywriters.net, and I came across essaybay. right from the start, they lost my username and password, and I haven't been able to get in touch with them. this is before I even took any orders. it doesn't bode well.

incidentally, I am noticing a lot of prescriptive grammarian snootiness going on here. can I suggest that the snoots, you know who you are, put a lid on it? it's censorious and annoying. this is a message board, not an essay test. people should be able to relax and use whatever descriptive grammar they see fit.