An experienced writer should be able to produce a high-quality ordinary undergraduate 10-pg project in 3-4 hours; and that includes a meal, a couple of snacks, and bathroom breaks.

Actually, those specifications are perfectly routine for a dissertation and there's absolutely nothing remotely "complex" about them to anybody with experience producing dissertations. It's also extremely routine for dissertation committees to issue requests for revisions and they're priced according to how much additional work they require.

What would be so cost-prohibitive about just having a writer post a review? Around the time that I first signed onto this forum in 2008, the essay company for which I was doing the most work asked me to respond (honestly) to some false public accusations made on a review site by a disgruntled writer who'd been fired. I did it for free, as did some other writers from the same company.

Contrary to what some essay companies want their customers to believe, projects aren't "assigned" to writers. Projects are simply listed on a bulletin board and writers take whatever assignments they want from those boards. Essay company writers are all independent contractors who take only the assignments they want. Projects can only be "assigned" to employees.


Nonsense. Legitimate essay companies and writers don't take "downpayments" for projects. All projects are always paid in full in advance. If you're unsure about an essay provider, you can order a small portion of any project before you order the rest; but whatever portion you order must be paid in full in advance.

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Really? You really think that's good advice when you have absolutely no clue where the OP lives or how far from the jurisdiction where that essay company is located? Moreover, do you really think it would be smart for someone to sue an essay company during the time period that coincides with the years that his resume says he was a university student so that it creates a permanent searchable public record of that lawsuit anytime someone -- such as a prospective employer, let's say -- Googles his name or does a background search in connection with an employment application? He'd have been much better off simply contacting his payment processor and providing them with the emails and the link to the company's TOS and guarantee.

No, it can't, actually, unless you're dealing with an inexperienced new writer very desperate for work. "Negotiating" words per page is just another way of trying to negotiate price, which experienced writers don't do. If it's not disclosed on a website, just ask the writer how many words per page he or she provides and then order as many pages as you need. You can certainly specify single-spacing or tiny font; but not as a way of manipulating your cost. If a writer provides 300 words per page, you're going to pay for your word count divided by 300 x the number of pages you want to order, regardless of what spacing or font size you request.


Actually, in most cases, when you select a higher level of writing, that doesn't affect which writer takes the project, at all. More often than not, the orders all just get posted where they're available to all writers at the company. More often than not, it's just another way that many companies get customers to pay more for the exact same project. At most, just specify what level of school it is, but don't pay extra for specific writers at essay companies.


Students may request that writers use their thesis statements; but that's usually no help to the writer, whatsoever. Students should just provide writers with their assignments exactly as they receive them and they should leave any and all options (such as choice of essay topic from a list) to whomever will actually be writing the project. Experienced writers don't need any help from students coming up with appropriate thesis statements. Customers can certainly ask to approve a thesis statement (or have it approved by professors) first, before giving the writer the go-ahead to write the project; but more likely than not, a thesis from the student will make it harder to write a good paper. Half the time that clients have given me something that they thought was a thesis, it was totally inappropriate for the material and/or impossible to research for various reasons. Most commonly, what students provide doesn't even qualify as a thesis. If you provide a thesis, an inexperienced writer could simply try to develop that thesis even though it makes no sense; whereas an experienced writer will ask you for permission to develop a better thesis. In any case, a thesis statement is nothing more than the topic of the essay narrowed down; so it hardly constitutes "half the work" of any project. I have no idea where you come up with some of the things that you offer here as advice.

It's conceivable that back when this thread was last active, 13 years ago, students might have still tried to submit work derived partly from pre-written essays purchased from essay companies. Back then, plagiarism scanning hadn't yet become standard and some professors might have been using it before their students had any idea that this was a risk. By now, it's inconceivable that any student would ever purchase a prewritten essay and attempt to use any part of it for submission, including its reference list, because everybody knows about plagiarism scanning. That's also why there was still some residual market for prewritten essays back in 2008, whereas there's virtually no market whatsoever left for prewritten essays today.

FYI, a "non-binding" work agreement (or contract) means that the agreement is completely invalid and unenforceable and that neither party is actually obligated to do anything. Typically, that situation only arises when the agreement is too poorly drafted to create a valid contract and/or there's a failure of consideration. Nobody ever intentionally offers or enters into a "non-binding" work agreement or contract. What you have in mind is a "non-exclusive" work agreement; and, by definition, all freelance/independent contractor work agreements are always non-exclusive and may not prohibit the freelancer/independent contractor from taking work for other clients. .

"Alex" asks about a company 2 hours ago and exactly 1 hour later, a new user registers here and immediately posts about supposedly having used that particular company with good results. Obviously, nothing ridiculously fake about any of that at all.

That response from the owners of the company was completely idiotic. Judging from their horrible ESL English, they sent him a test of Australian Law because they didn't even realize that it's not the same as UK Law. They had a prospective writer who, unlike many wannabe "writers" in this industry, accurately represented his qualifications and expressed his confidence very conservatively, limiting it to his actual area of greatest expertise. This is exactly what the operators of any legitimate essay company should appreciate, not criticize, ridicule, or consider a reason not to hire someone.


It's really none of the company's business whether or not he "enjoys learning," what he considers "fun," or whether his only interest was in writing projects within his area of established relative expertise. From the company's point of view, there'd have been no downside to having a writer who had specialized expertise in UK Law, even if those were the only projects in which he'd have had any interest. Instead of appreciating his honesty and self-awareness, they tried to pressure him into working on projects outside of his comfort zone and they condescendingly mischaracterized his honesty as his having asked for his "favorite test question" and presumed to lecture him about what he needed to do to earn more money, which was also none of their business or concern. In time, chances are the writer would have expanded his range into Australian Law and maybe U.S. Law, too. In the meantime, his choice to limit his interest to UK Law was perfectly appropriate and something the company should have appreciated, in terms of what that indicated about the writer's self-awareness and conscientiousness. Meanwhile, I'm guessing the same company probably has a stable full of "writers" who routinely take on projects in areas in which they have no business dabbling, to the detriment of their unfortunate clients.

When I started doing this over 20 years ago, I thought that I'd only be doing projects in U.S. Law, Psychology, Sociology, History, Political Science, English Composition, and maybe some other general-studies areas. It never crossed my mind that I'd eventually write (literally) thousands of projects in Nursing, Business Management, Economics, Accounting, and in the countless other academic fields in which I never took a single course in college. In fact, my first hundred projects were so limited to what I'd actually studied in college and law school, that I used (mostly) only books from my bookshelves as sources for them and I bought more books before I became comfortable with and good at online research. Notwithstanding many overall similarities and common derivation in English Common Law, UK and U.S. law are sufficiently different that I was very hesitant to take on any UK (or Australian) law projects, initially. Since then, I've become very comfortable with UK and Australian (and Euro) law projects and I've probably written a few hundred of them with very good results. In fact, I have a 2.5-hour timed live UK Criminal Procedure and Evidence Law project scheduled for tomorrow. However, if the essay companies for which I wrote when I first started out as a company writer had either pressured me to take on projects in areas outside of my comfort zone, or refused to hire me unless I did, and/or presumed to lecture me about how I should feel about "learning" or about my personal earning goals, they'd have proven themselves to be just as idiotic as the owners of this particular company for the way they responded to this writer. At worst, he probably could have been a very reliable provider of difficult UK Law projects; and chances are he probably would have substantially expanded his areas of comfort in his own time if he'd acquired some confidence, first, at his own pace .

What probably happened is that the writer simply used the formatted template of an old dissertation instead of setting up a newly formatted document, and he probably explained that to a customer service rep who barely speaks English. If the writer had actually copied and pasted the work, the company probably wouldn't have admitted that to the client; instead, they'd have described it as some other much more innocent-sounding mistake. Granted, plagiarism scanning was much newer 13 years ago, when this thread was last active, but the OP did indicate that he checked it with some tools that were available back then and found no plagiarism flags. Had I noticed this thread back then, I'd have suggested that the OP simply search ProQuest for that document # to determine whether the essay content was actually copied from it; and if it was, to pursue a refund by just providing that info to his payment processor or credit card company, together with a link to the essay company website copy promising original writing.

You have absolutely no evidence that the client in this case had any fault in this, whatsoever. He paid for the project in full and there was an agreement about a specific deadline for delivery. According to the client, that deadline came and went without the project being delivered, after which he contacted the writer demanding his project. I don't know what his email actually said (and neither do you); but it doesn't really matter. Assuming, just for the sake of argument, that the client's email was accusatory and very insulting, that still doesn't justify the writer's failure to deliver the project for which she was paid in full. The writer doesn't get to keep money for an undelivered project just because of an insulting email. This reminds me of all those cases on The People's Court where the defendant admits to having borrowed money, but refused to repay it because the lender "harassed" him for repayment.

At most -- and even this isn't really within the writer's rights to do, either -- if the writer was really so offended by the client's email, he could have terminated their relationship by refusing to send the project in conjunction with issuing a full refund. To suggest that an insulting email justifies the writer keeping the money and refusing to provide the product -- a project that the writer claims to have completed -- is completely ridiculous. What the writer should have done in that situation is deliver the project for which she was paid and then terminate their relationship by refusing to take any of that client's future business. I've done that several times with annoying clients; but I always delivered any project for which I was paid. On one or two occasions, I've had clients become so annoying after payment that I just issued them a refund and told them to find themselves another writer; but you can't rightfully do that, either, after a substantial amount of the time before the deadline has already passed, let alone after it's already overdue.

The fact that this writer resorted to accusations about the "ethics" of the purpose of the product and to implied threats to report the client to his school further suggests that the writer was solely responsible for this problem. First, whatever the "ethical" issue is, that's something already known to the writer at the time of the original transaction and the writer is the one earning a living from ghostwriting academic projects. Second, offering to "settle" the issue by reporting the client to his school makes no sense and is nothing but a threat to retaliate against him for sharing his experience. Third, it can't possibly be "slander" (or, libel, more accurately, since it was in writing) because the writer's own response in this thread includes an admission that the client's claim is truthful: the writer admits to having been paid and to having refused to send the project.


The lesson here has nothing to do with "public relations" skills or "professionalism" or "communication breakdown"; the only lesson here is that the reputation of any writer who has been in this business for any length of time can be researched on line quite easily, even without the resources available on this forum. The client managed to find plenty of information about the writer that should have steered him clear of her. The only problem was that the client didn't start doing that basic due diligence until after he'd been scammed. That's the only real lesson here.

ESL writers usually don't have the same opportunities as ENL writers and ENL writers don't often find themselves having no choice but to work for the kinds of companies that typically employ ESL writers; they also typically work for very different pay scales. So, almost nothing that's "relevant" to ESL writers as relates to writing for companies is "relevant" to me, for example, and vice-versa; nor is there likely to be very much that we could "learn" from one another's experiences. I can definitely understand why the OP thought that it might be worth having a thread for ESL writers to share their experiences with other ESL writers.

I don't think the OP's meaning really requires much of an analysis to understand. It's pretty obvious: he suggested that since this forum is populated by students looking for written work and writers looking for clients, they shoud just contact one another right here. Then, as if that's not obvious enough, he specifically asked students to contact him and he offered his services to them. Not much deeper or mysterious meaning to any of that. As far as social media goes, I believe when the OP started this thread 13 years ago, MySpace was about the only option.

Prospective customers who are already reading this forum don't really need to do anything more than enter any writer or company into the search field right here; but you need to change the default "titles" to "messages" to avoid having your search-term results limited to the titles of threads.

I once declined a project from a new client who found me here because I didn't feel confident enough with the material to take it, only to get an email from some company -- that also found me here, apparently -- a day or two later asking me whether I could do the same exact project for them. I posted the exchange on this forum and contacted the client to let him know what was going on and to suggest that the client cancel the project and pursue a refund immediately.

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That depends on what you're looking for. As you implied above, you get what you pay for in this industry. If you're comparing mid-priced legit companies and writers to higher-price legit companies and writers, you'll usually get mid-level quality from the former and higher-level quality from the latter.

That's true; and one of the most obvious patterns of scammers on this particular forum is when a brand new "student" ID shows up and then immediately posts about how "satisfied" the person was with some essay company or writer. As I explained earlier, real students come here looking to find a reliable essay source, not to announce to the world that they already found one. Real students don't post about the terms and conditions of the companies they used, either. So, anytime you see anything like that, you can be sure that it's just someone tossing out bait hoping someone will ask about that company or writer, so that the "student" can try to post his own company url. In fact, there are two perfect examples right in this thread.


Only scammers ever advertise those types of refund promises. No legitimate essay company or writer offers refunds based on customers "not liking" their essay. In fact, this kind of refund promise on any website in this industry is a very obvious bright flag that the website is a total scam.

Typically, students come to this forum to find a reliable source of essays; they don't usually sign up here a year or more after they've found a writer, just to announce that here in their first post. That's like signing up on a forum called "FindGoodUsedCars.Org" a year after you've already bought a great used car.


Actually, you can't know this; and experienced writers don't delete projects for at least a few months. When satisfied clients come back for more work, it's often very helpful to have their previous projects, especially when the subject matter is related. Every once in a while, clients contact me long after they've received their projects asking me whether I happen to have saved their previous projects, because they accidentally deleted them. My clients own the copyright to anything they've paid me to write; but I usually still save a copy, just in case it's needed or happens to be useful in connection with their future projects.

The existence of Turnitin (and other online plagiarism scanners) is the main reason that some of us have been able to earn a decent living doing this work full time instead of working traditional jobs. Before 2007, when Turnitin showed up, many students only purchased pre-written projects. Plagiarism scanners destroyed their value by making original custom-written projects a necessity throughout this industry.

Every writer who works for an essay company and every independent writer who has succeeded in establishing a freelance writing business works from a private residence. I believe that all of the administrative staff of every legitimate essay company also work from their private residences and that the actual street addresses of all legitimate essay companies are either the private residences of their owners or Post Office boxes or commercial mailbox rental facilities. It's typically only the scam companies that try so hard to create the totally false impression that they operate from traditional commercial office spaces with "teams" of writers and other fulltime employees working out of their "offices."

Actually, in no instances should you consider "negotiating" with any company that provides you with blatantly copy-and-pasted material; nor should you accept a partial settlement or other "resolution." Just proceed straight to a payment dispute with whatever payment system you used. Send them a screen shot of the website's promise of original custom writing along with the file they sent you highlighting the plagiarized material and include the urls where they can verify the plagiarism for themselves. Those representations on their website constitute explicit warranties of originality, which they've breached if they sent you unoriginal material. You're entitled to a full refund.

Incorrect. You're confusing the issue of contractual formality with the issue of the distinction between employees and freelance independent contractors. Essay companies do, typically, have formal contracts defining their relationships with their writers. The reason that companies don't give writers vacation time is simply that independent contractors, by definition, are already free to work or not work whenever and as much or as little as they want to work. It's got absolutely nothing to do with whether or not there's a formal contract between the parties. Independent contractors (in all industries) usually do have formal contracts with the entities through whom they get work.

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Obviously, nobody knows what anybody else's thoughts are until those thoughts are expressed. Once they're expressed, they're called "intellectual property" and their author most certainly does hold the rights to them; in fact, there's a whole body of law dedicated to the ownership of those kinds of rights.


If you didn't give credit to the original author for his ideas, that's precisely what plagiarism is. Based on your story, your professor obviously recognized that you did exactly what you've described in your post: you restated the ideas of the author without crediting that author for his ideas and you tried to pass off those ideas as your own ideas. That's called plagiarism.

I have no doubt that it's much harder to work in "our industry" when you have no idea what apostrophes are and when to use them.

College professors fully understand the difference between coincidentally and innocently happening to write a sentence that's very similar to a source -- especially on a topic that's been written about countless times --- and actually plagiarizing. They don't make plagiarism accusations every time they encounter an isolated sentence that's similar (or even identical) to a source. They typically look very carefully to see whether the other sentences and the rest of the project also follow that published source too closely. If the rest of the work that you submit seems original, they don't suspect anything just because one sentence is too similar, unless it's a really unique sentence that had to have been copied. Conversely, if you were to entirely change the wording of a source but make all of the same substantive points of analysis or commentary and sub-points, and all of them are in the same (or recognizably close) order as the same points in the published source, that will get flagged, because the substantive points of analysis and commentary all belong to the original source, even if you substitute every single word in the essay.

What company do you represent and is this the level of substantive issue analysis that your customers can expect?

If you wrote it the first time, why don't you just rewrite it yourself, this time, especially if you're so short on time? (Usually, when customers need help rewriting a good essay to pass a new plagiarism scan, it's for an essay that someone else wrote the first time.) You realize that the first time you use any new essay service, you may not receive anything close to what you're hoping to receive, in terms of quality, right?

What, exactly, do you mean? That you have an essay that received a good grade when it was originally submitted and you want to rewrite it so that it's just as good but will pass a plagiarism scan?

You're welcome; but there's obviously nobody in this thread besides you (under 5 different IDs) and me.

That wouldn't a very reliable test, for a reason that should be fairly obvious if you just think about it for a minute.

Sure. Normally, real students looking for a legit source for their essays join this forum, read some posts, maybe ask questions, and then, they might try out a writer or company based on the info they find here, perhaps returning much later to post a review of their experience. Real students who have already found a reliable source for their essays don't join this forum afterwards, just to announce (on the same day that they register here) how happy they are with the essay company that they supposedly used before joining this forum. Every post in this thread besides mine was obviously written by people working for the company whose name is in the thread title.

If you're talking about FOX "News" and the rest of the Right-Wing media complex, I agree.

"Less" instead of "fewer," "amount" instead of "number," and "that" instead of "who" (referring to people) are all pet peeves of mine, too; and not a single day goes by without my hearing all three of those by professional broadcasters.

Wow. You 3 are so convincing that it I'm sure that your respective sign-up and posting timelines and the fact that your English is identical to the "English" on your website mean nothing. Here are some of my favorites:

"So, hit us up if you have got any ambiguity or concern."

"We have an ultimate policy for keeping your personal and order-related details a secret."

"Get an elaborate and authentic grammar check report with your work to have the grammar goodness sealed in your document."

"Join us for the best experience while seeking writing assistance in your college life. A good grade is all you need to boost up your academic excellence and we are all about it."

"From brainstorming your paper's outline to perfecting its grammar, we perform every step carefully to make your paper worthy of A grade." (You're missing an article in your "perfected, sealed-in grammar goodness," there, Fellas.)

The only more entertaining part of your website are all of those very convincing "testimonials" that all include the full names and degree programs of your clients. You guys must be incredibly good for your clients to be so appreciative that they all allow you to publish their full names, knowing that anybody who Googles them in the future will find a link to their testimonials on an essay company's website. Some of them are so grateful to you that they even allowed you to publish their photos right next to their names! Now, those are some appreciative clients, right there!! All I ever get are a lousy "thank you so much," their continued business for years, and, sometimes, a referral to friends or colleagues. I could probably learn a lot from you guys.

Schools don't actively monitor every institutional account like that; neither do most professional organizations. It's still not a great idea to use your university system to do anything you wouldn't want them to know about; because if they ever do have a specific reason to check into your system use (such as an accusation from a professor about turning in work that you didn't write), the information is all stored within the system and fully capable of being examined forensically.

The same is true when it comes to independent writers without any formal bidding process involved. At least once or twice a month (more lately), a new prospective client asks me for a price quote and then I don't get back any response at all until several weeks later. By that time, the client who never responded to my price quote ended up using someone cheaper and received back something totally worthless. I always ask who (or what company) provided the work and what the cost was; and usually, it's somewhere in between 50% and 80% of my original price quote. Typically, they end up paying me more than my original quote to complete the same project in about 3 days instead of in 2 or 3 weeks, in addition to the cost of the unusable work they received from the cheaper provider.

Once in a while, they do respond to me before going with the cheaper provider, just to see whether I'll "match" the cheaper price. When that happens, I try to explain what I just described above; but I know that it probably sounds like marketing "spin." About half the time, they do take my advice to heart and just order the project from me; the other half the time, they find out for themselves that it wasn't just a marketing effort on my part and they either have me redo the entire project or they use me on their future projects.

This thread is so old that it actually has my first post ever anywhere on this forum, almost 13 years and more than 2,100 posts ago. It also illustrates why longevity is one of the criteria associated with legitimate essay companies; the same goes for independent writers operating under the same ID for many years. When I joined here (at the request of the company for which I'd been writing since 2003, along with Professor Verb, Pheelyks, and Research Pro), I was mainly an essay-company writer with only a very few private clients.