The rule is NO testimonials about ET, period. By posting testimonials about the operations of the company, both you and FW are breaking the rules. Having a good reason for breaking the rules doesn't mean that you're not BREAKING them.

I like this forum. I think it serves a good purpose. Breaking the rules makes both you and ET look bad. And FW, well, he's just hopeless.


Look, that's just incorrect. I'll give just one example. The perception of a writer about the directions versus the perception of the client about the directions for a project can differ immensely. A client may think that they gave the writer good directions but be unhappy about the project as received, feeling that the writer didn't follow the directions. However, upon review, the writer may feel that her or she did follow the instructions as given. In such cases, the company has to intercede. The company may well feel that the writer is right. That doesn't mean that the company is out to rip off the customer. Nor does that mean either side is perfectly right while the other side is perfectly wrong. Real life is rarely that cut and dry.

The company may explain its decision to the client as best as possible but that doesn't stop the client from walking away feeling ripped off. And feeling that way doesn't make the customer a crook, which is what both you and FW inferred in the case of Falcon, without knowing ANY of the particulars.

And companies certainly have a strong incentive to stand by writers, particularly good ones that are reliable and an asset to the company. You or I or anyone else should not give customers the impression that a company will always side with them against the writer in the case of a disagreement - cuz that's just not what happens.

The way you describe things, any customer unhappy with the work of a legit company is a crook or 100% in the wrong and that's just not accurate.

Testimonials related to the operations of ET are against the rules of the forum.

The rule doesn't say "good testimonials are ok" or "bad testimonials only."

Either you can enforce the forum rules or break the rules, not both. Pick one.

I don't know, why don't you ask the moderator?
Now I'd like to ask you a question: does threatening to use vulgar, sexist language make you feel like more of a big man? Do you feel more masculine and powerful having threatened me?


Hey you lying piece of trash, more questions for you: what companies do I work for and which of those lie about where they're located?

The answer: You don't know. You just pretended you did.
But I'll tell you: None that lie. All are legit and American.

Again, if you don't know what you're talking about, you should shut up.

I actually agree with EW_Writer - this thread is dripping with hypocrisy. FreelanceWriter is clearly promoting ET. He can't go more than a post or 2 without mentioning how many papers he writes for them, how long he's worked for them, and that they're legit.

Hey moron, that's a recommendation and that's NOT ALLOWED.

BTW, FreelanceWriter - I'm American, My degrees are from two Ivy League Institutions and I only work for legit sites. And I'll bet 100$ that I make more money than you writing - know how I know? Because I don't need to stoop to using this forum to get work.


Those aren't the only options. Perhaps Falcon received the paper, thought it was crap and left it at that. Perhaps Falcon complained and the company sided with the writer.

The bottomline is you don't know, I don't know, and FreelanceWriter sure as hell doesn't know.

Come on WB, FW is clearly promoting the site, like he has on multiple occasions, against board rules, and it needs to stop. I've been around on this forum long enough for you to know that I don't work for any frauds - the fact thatFreelanceWriterwould just LIE about that shows how pathetic he is.

And just to add - we won't get to hear what happened with Falcon and ET b/c ET has threatened this site with legal retaliation for posts about the company.

But FW, by offering a testimonial about the operations of ET, is clearly breaking the forum rules:

"As of February 5, 2009, due to legal threats from *********.com and in order to protect posters' privacy - opinions, reviews, or testimonials related to their operations may not be expressed here. Posts that mention "*********" will be edited or removed."

Stay tuned: Next Tuesday - Another commercial from FreelanceWriter!

Falcon posted about his situation elsewhere - he got a poor writer who didn't know the topic. Hence the feeling of being ripped off.

Since you don't know anything about his situation FW, you should probably shut up.

Hi Dearbats,

Sorry I didn't receive any emails. It is possible they went straight to junk and got deleted.

So EW... time for a new account name... ex-EW perhaps? =p

I don't understand your point humble. What needs a defense? The company highlights the exclusive employment of American writers. They offer their services to all countries. If someone not from the U.S. doesn't want an American writer, the information is clearly there to let them know they should look elsewhere.

I don't understand your complaint at all. I personally let my clients know I'm American and live in the U.S. Most repeat customers know what state I live in, what my degrees are and where I earned them. If they don't want an American writer, they can look elsewhere. So...?

I would do them so you don't hurt the customer(s). Hopefully you'll get paid and you can look elsewhere for more work.

Or, if you decide to not complete them, let the company know asap so they can find another writer.

So you paid over $50.00/page? Ouch.

I think this: If the company is willing to lie to its customers, what will stop it from lying to me too?

If you look at the different complaints by writers about not getting paid, they are invariably linked to companies that also lie to their customers.

NoAlias... You're responding to posts over a year old. hehe.

Hello,

I have no experience with absolutepapers.com.

You may find this thread helpful: https://essayscam.org/forum/wc/signs-fraudulent-legit-service-writer-perspective-297/

This link is something I posted a while back that gives my recommendations on how to evaluate the legitmacy of a company. Good luck!

If you work for legit companies, there will be a steady stream of work. If you have the academic background and the personal discipline to freelance, you can certainly make a good living.

While I chuckled at options 1-3, option #4 may be more productive:
#4 - Call your credit card company and cancel the order.

Even if he said he would voluntarily refund you, there is nothing that stops you from filing for a refund with Paypal. You would just list refund as the resolution option. If you don't refunded fairly quickly, I'd advising doing it anyway.

Paypal has a limit on the amount of time that you can wait before you dispute a payment. I don't remember it offhand, but I'm thinking maybe 3 or 4 weeks? In any case, dispute sooner rather than later, b/c it if you wait too long, you won't be able to dispute. It's quite possible that the writer is just stalling until your time runs out.

The moderator of this forum has identified you as someone posting under multiple accounts to promote your own services. Go take a long walk off a short pier.

Um, no.
arwu.org/rank2008/ARWU2008_A(EN).htm

Aftab, your posts are riddled with errors and awkward phrasing. Your command of the English language is certainly not bad but it would not pass for the vernacular in either the United States or the U.K.


I would expect clients to want both: English language mastery and subject mastery.


You have no evidence to back this up. None.

As an American writer, I wholeheartedly recommend U.K. students to seek aid from U.K. writers. In addition to the legal protections offered by domestic contract law, you'll have someone familiar with the language, citation styles, schools and formatting expected.

Awesome, way to use the board to push ** as the company of choice! I'm so tired of your posts FreelanceWriter. You use this forum to push ** as legit every chance you get, having a clear financial incentive to do so since you work for them. And now you're admitting to recommending the company to folks who contact you through this forum. Nice.

Since Mummy came to this forum looking for a writer and now is engaged in an "long ongoing project" with you, it's pretty clear that you're using this forum to get work. WB pointed out how your posts clearly leave "breadcrumbs" that are against the rules of this forum and you said you'd stop, but you're just back to your old M.O.

This forum isn't a place for you to get work. Jeez.

They failed the test already by:

1. Posting to advertise, against the rules.

2. Lying about being "writers from Essay Scam" on the site

3. Lying about being from the U.S. when it's clear that English is not "Allyson Holland's" first language, hence her comment about how writing is a good job for folks educated in foreign nations.

4. Making an account under a false name in order to promote the site. John D is obviously either Allyson or another one of the writers for the site - no one makes an account just to praise 1 company, give us all a break.

5. Zero transparency - no names of the writers, no addresses or phone numbers, no degrees or areas of specialization. Nothing that indicates any kind of quality control.

Here's a news flash: qualified writers don't need to use this forum to get work. I've been a member of this forum for going on 2 years and have never once solicited, or accepted offered work through this forum. Why? Because there is no shortage of work. I'm busier now than ever. If a writer actually stoops to misusing the forum like this, there is a real problem.

As Akuma said in the past:

Yeah, keep responding with advertisements, that makes you look more legit!

This thread should be removed and you should get banned.

Your blog is really misleading - You aren't writers "from Essay Scam" like you claim as Essay Scam doesn't endorse any writers and having an account here for less than 2 weeks doesn't count for anything. Getting people to make an account (or making the account yourself) just to post about your site makes you look like a total fraud.

Buyer / Student Beware.

Dear Sirs and Madam? They can't be bothered to use your name or identify even your sex? And they don't sign the administration with a name?

That's garbage.

Mullberry, that isn't my quote. Margie posted that. In fact, I disagreed with that statement, just as you do. I'd never recommend anyone gamble with EW.

This forum sometimes messes up quotations but you can change your posts to correctly attribute quotations through your edit function.

A legit company shouldn't fine a writer, period.

If the writer is incompetent, he or she should be fired. If a writer is competent, the writer should get paid in full, everytime, without the threat of ridiculous fines or penalties.

Neen, if you have selected a company like Custompapers, their support team should be able to match you with an author who is accomplished in Milton. You'd be better off making the request with them directly than asking for recommendations here.

In fact, if you are looking for a writer for an extended/more challenging project, I believe that most companies will allow you to ask a bit about the background of your potential writers, so you can choose the one that most appeals to you.

PS- the 2$ email delivery charge sounds silly, imo.

That letter is awful.

Then you could have kept it private. Instead, you came here publicly and started advertising for them.


Really? And you know the purpose of this forum after less than a day as a registered member? Right...

I'm a writer, I try to help people and have done so for over a year. However, what I don't do is use this forum to peddle my services like some pathetic fool who can't get work otherwise.

There are other websites made specifically to link up writers and customers. This isn't one of them. This is a fraud site. And you look like a huge fraud right now.

And it's just a coincidence that your forum account and that website got made on the same day, right?


And more advertising - just proving my point that you are supporting the site and not an actual customer.

But hey, prove me wrong and name the "writer from this forum" who contacted you and made the website ON THE SAME DAY you registered here.

You're advertising for the site, against the rules of this forum. You're also so obviously linked with them that it's pathetic.


Do you even know what a monopoly means?

I've never advertised or taken a job through this website. I have plenty of legit work without having to transact in a high risk agreement or advertising through a forum against the rules.


That's not true, there are plenty of writers who are on this site, including me. You'll never get into problems for saying that you're a writer. You may get into trouble if you try to advertise yourself here, which is what you were told.

Again I ask, who recommended the site to Laura? Who is the writer?

So Allyson, are you a writer or a student?

You say here you're a writer:


And in this thread, you claim to be a consumer:


This thread is such a joke, it should be removed.

That blogsite has 2 obvious grammar errors on the front page. It's also brand new with no information on location or refund policies.

I'm sorry but I think it is wrong for some anon "writer" from this forum to recommend that or any other site. Who recommended the site to you Laura?

And I wouldn't recommend that anyone use that site.

For all you or any other reader knows, Laura could be working for them herself and using this forum to drum up business. Laura, you made your forum account here on December 7th, 2008, the EXACT same day that blogspot site made its first and ONLY post about taking work. It doesn't take a super genius to notice that.

Oh hell, Allyson and Stephen both registered today too? So, do all three of you work for the company and decide to come here to post to try to drum up business? This frankly looks pathetic now.

The short answer is: yes there are legit sites.

No matter who you go with, I would suggest picking a site based in your own country to ensure that you have legal options should a problem occur.

These days, I am relying quite a bit on Questia.

The yearly annual subscription is reasonable (and tax deductible if you live in the U.S.) and the library contains a fair mix of books, academic journals and magazines. Easy search set up too.

If you need med articles, PubMed is a free cataloguing service run by the National Institutes of Health. It will provide abstracts and, when available, point you to where you can get an article either free or through a subscription.

As far as free, both Google books and Amazon will give you limited reads of a lot of their product, which can also be useful.

I hope that helps!

Again, you completely mischaracterize my statements.
Don't ever accuse anyone of poor comprehension skills after this. Instead of reading what I'm writing, you're simply attacking my comments blindly with comments that do not apply.

First, you didn't use word count information from each of the sites. You didn't even know that Papermasters had word information until I pointed it out (and you in fact erroneously claimed that they didn't have it on their site and that they were fraudulent because of it - effectively blaming them for your inability to find the information).

The sequence of events was:
1) WB claims that all legit companies use Times New/300 words
2) WB claims that PM is fraudulent because they don't include wording information
3) Once that wording information is found, WB claims it's not linked to the PM site
4) Once it's pointed out that the wording information IS, in fact, linked to the site, WB rambles on about how it's too hard to find the information.

A ludicrous series of events, frankly. You made incorrect assertions at point 1, 2, 3 and instead of backing down, you just keep going, full steam ahead.

And, you aren't just using facts from the sites. You are adopting the same line of logic used by *********'s website. You even borrowed the word count (225 for Courier) and the 10 page paper example (you couldn't even be creative enough to use a 5 page paper example or do some variance).

But hey, I'll give you a chance to explain yourself. Maybe you did get the word count information from other sites as well. You said "So, of course I'm going to take information about each site concerning WORD COUNT" - so what other sites did you get your information from, besides *********?


I didn't defend Papermasters "as if they are my own." This is your way of trying to associate me with them to delegitimize my comments. It doesn't work. And I didn't just talk about Papermasters. I also brought up another company who uses Courier New who isn't a fraud.

You should learn to not speak in absolutes. It would do wonders for your posts.


I never once accused you of working for *********. Not once. In fact, I said I really hope that you don't and that I've been right about you in the past. Anyone reading this thread can see that except, apparently, you. I said that you using ********* website information as the basis of your argument and using wording that so closely emulates their website content looks bad. It does. Two different arguments.

And the witch hunt comment demonstrates once again that you are simply incapable of disagreeing with someone about the content of an argument. You have to personalize it.

I have zero personal reason to conduct a "witch hunt" against you. I'm a well-educated American writer and from a personal standpoint, you write a lot of things that probably benefit me in the long term. We agree on lots of things on this forum and this is the first time in over a year that we've seriously disagreed, but you still jump to the same old tired "witch-hunt" accusation. If I were really interested in a "witch-hunt," I would have started before now.


You accused me of falsifying data and associated me with frauds. Nothing I said before then even comes close to that. I've defended you in the past and instead of attempting to be civil, you drag this into the sewer every chance you get. I'd say "obnoxious jerk" is tame compared to your insults and you're oh so cute way of including profanities with little * symbols.

You refusing to talk to me isn't a punishment, despite what you think. I look forward to you not continuing to mischaracterize my statements (I can hope anyway).

You have a bad habit of mischaracterizing my comments. I didn't say that I perceived your question as an insult. I said that it was the first inclusion of personal information (which it was) after you accused me of getting personal. My response is here:


So, take back your apology all you want (if you can take it back, it's fairly clear you didn't mean it anyway - which is frankly fairly condescending) b/c I didn't think it was an insult. The real insults came later and I'm not holding my breath for an apology.

Look, if you think my question about your academic experience was an insult, I'll tell you how to avoid having it happen again - don't use your "extensive academic experience" as evidence. That's a fallacy called an appeal to authority and I was certainly within conversational bounds to ask you to clarify since that was the basis of your argument.


You just admitted that you used marketing information from ********* to build a case about why word count is important. Don't you think it's fairly problematic for you to present word count as a sign of fraud on this forum, knowing that it is a clear marketing tool for a company? And you don't even disclose that you got the information from their site? I honestly find that very troubling. Do you make it a habit of getting information about potential frauds from their financial competitors?

This site is supposed to be about exposing frauds, not about promoting any particular sites. But you're using information gained from one site to promote the view in the minds of readers that they should buy papers... based upon factors that privilege that site. You don't see a clear conflict of interest there? It's no different from me or anyone else picking a characteristic of a site and blowing it up into a big thread about why that one characteristic is the best way to evaluate frauds, knowing that the information will lead readers to patronize one company.

I have no clue what you are talking about. None. I asked questions to get information. I wanted to know what you are basing your statements on, no more, no less. You brought up things like your "extensive academic background" and I wanted to know what that meant b/c our views clearly differ despite our seemingly similar backgrounds.

I don't use PM's through this forum. I was under the impression that they were frequently broken/don't work.

And you misunderstand me here. I assumed that you weren't thinking of papermasters, which is why I said what I did - - which is why, as I explained, I expected you to just accept them as an exception and move on.


Um... no... it is directly linked from the site. Here for example:
papermasters.com/undergraduate-term-paper.html. It's pretty easy to find, actually.


lol that was funny. But seriously, the word count information is not that difficult to find, and is linked within the site as I showed above, so when you claim that you searched all through the site and couldn't find it, I do get skeptical. My comment was specific to that discussion.


Now I'm sad again. I don't think you've made this argument before. Honestly, I've lost interest in it b/c the argument doesn't matter - your first post said all legit companies use times new roman while frauds use courier new. I pointed out that you were wrong and you seem to have mostly retracted that position. So why does the most common package matter anymore?


This is true but applies only to my figures, not to the final conclusion. In rush, Papermasters still ends up cheaper per word even with the 230 word count, right?

WB, I don't understand how you think some of the questions are insults.

Question 1 - That was my annoyance at your sloppy google search. If that's an insult, so be it, but it was sloppy. You attempted to use a google search to prove that Times New Roman is the standard academic font with a search that included links that argue against your point - that shows me that you really didn't bother to look things up but instead just quickly did the search and the link. I took the time from my life to actually read the sites on the search to try to see where you were coming from and found sites that contradicted your position - as I linked.

Question 2 - That was checking for clarification. Not an insult.

Question 3 - Asked in earnest, already noted. I know you have a PhD in English but that's it. I was wondering if you were referring to that or something else. I offered personal information about myself (you know that I teach, etc) and it didn't seem too much for me to ask you as well. Seriously, you think that's an insult?

Question 4 - Already explained. You have made erroneous comments about Papermasters that I've pointed out. My pointing out your errors isn't an insult. It's not like I said you "falsified" data to make your point, which not only points out an error but assigns a specific intent to deceive.

What are you talking about? I didn't attack you personally until you accused me of falsifying data. If you're talking about my "chilling" comment (my typo cracks me up), I think you need to reread it. I certainly didn't intend for it to be an insult but rather an honest observation by someone who has generally supported you on this board. Your words clearly echo *********'s website talking points. It looks terrible to read these posts and then go look at their website. You use the exact same word count for Courier New and Times and the same language used in their site promotions. Even those of us who generally agree with you aren't blind.

And frankly, this statement is incorrect:

You apologized and then my next post is:


Where is the personal attack there? Or in my next post after that?
Oh that's right. None. I didn't insult you, despite your claims to the contrary.

But your next set of posts include these gems:

You still want to try to claim that it's all me throwing insults? That you're the victim of my aggression?

Have you found Paper masters' word count information on their website yet? Or you are going to keep accusing them of deceiving customers just b/c you can't find the information on their site?

Enjoy the long post! This is fun!


Not quite. I engage in name-calling when an individual attempts to impugn me. You accused me of falsifying data, a point that you have since dropped b/c you know it was simply untrue and demonstrated how committed you are to always looking correct, even if it means insulting those who disagree with you. I take insults against my personal integrity very seriously, something that you should know about me from past discussions. You and I have had a generally cordial relationship on this forum but you used your same bullying tactics against me. My first two posts were polite and you made this personal, not me.

And again with the hypocrisy. Anyone can do a quick search of this forum to find your list of favorite pet insults. I'm just waiting for you to offer me a banana and then I will die of laughter.


Do you just not bother to read parts of my posts? I answered this:


All you had to do was be clear in acknowledging that font size might suggest a fraud but does not necessarily mean that a company is a fraud.

And then you say...


Ok, that's funny. Another example of your uncharitable attitude that always assumes the worst. Are you conveniently forgetting that you have PRAISED Papermasters as not only a legit site but one that will produce SUPERB (Your word, not mine)work - going so far as to offer to pay people if they receive an inferior product? I'll requote you to help your memory:


Anyone who can do basic math can see that a higher word count page does not necessarily lead to a greater value because of the price differences per page.

And then there is this:


That's just silly. I have no problem with you making a legitimate argument against Papermasters or any other company. I'm sure other people have made negative comments about Papermasters that I didn't bother to answer. However, your claims were so blatantly false and contradictory of your past praise of Papermasters that I decided to post.

Have you stopped to think why I mentioned Papermasters name? I didn't initially b/c I don't drop names on this forum as a rule. However, you suggested that you knew who I was thinking of and that you considered them fraudulent. I then said Papermasters b/c you had previously established them to be legit. I expected you to acknowledge that there could be some exceptions and then we'd all move on, but you went on the offensive instead. That totally surprised me. I'm not promoting them. I'm simply pointing out your comments to be inconsistent.

Oh, btw, I don't pretend to be an expert on Papermasters or anyone else, but I just looked at their site and found where they give a word count. If you're really the expert you claim to be, you should have found that word count as well and that would have stopped you from writing:


Oops! Do you want me to post the link to their word count information or do you want to go find it yourself? I would work out the math based upon the number of words on Papermasters' site to compare prices, but I think folks can do that for thermselves. I just don't believe that you even bothered to look at Papermasters site during this discussion - You just seem hell bent on promoting ********* - to the point that you are promoting exactly the same selling point about word count that is found so prominently on their website.

Some comparing yields:

*********'s website says:
"You should also avoid sites that provide only 225 words per page. We write 300 words on every page!"

WB says:
Legitimate companies in the United States provide 300+ words per page, written by QUALIFIED writers like me, which is a much better value.

********* says:
If you need a 3,000-word paper, you would have to pay for 13 pages at any of our competitors' sites because they type only 225 words per page.

WB say:
A customer orders the exact same, "10-page" essay from two sites. SITE A provides 300 words per page. SITE B provides 225 words per page.

Seriously, it's like your paraphrasing their website information. It's horrible WB. I honestly want to believe that you don't work for them b/c if you do, then I look like an idiot for defending you in the past, but your comments on this thread make it look otherwise. And I'm not saying that to insult or attack you but to say, as someone who has defended you and generally respect your contributions if not your tone and tendency to jump to conclusions, that your current behavior makes you LOOK like you work for them.

I did find this comment interesting on their site though:

"Our sneaky competitors use the much larger Courier New Font, which means that *********.com provides MORE text per "page," and a far better value for your hard-earned dollar"

WB, don't you find this comment by ********* to be intentionally misleading, since there are many legit American competitors who do not use Courier New Font and instead use Times New Roman and the same 300 word guarantee? Clearly, ********* needs to rewrite the text on their sites so they don't mislead potential customers. Maybe we should start a new thread devoted to pointing out misleading information on company websites.

Edit: I just removed a bunch of content and softened the language in my post. Consider it my olive branch, if you wish. My point's made and I really don't want to keep going in circles with you WB.

PS - Thank you for the kind words Ex. Maybe now people won't accuse WB and I of being the same person lol.

This has nothing to do with you. Stop personalizing. I have generally agreed with you on this board and defended you multiple times. On this point, we disagree. I would disagree with anyone posting the same thing you did. Since I have actually defended your bullying in the past because I thought that you generally have good intentions, I foolishly thought that we could have a civil conversation but every post by you is a new, more erratic RANT.

Your first post was vague and irresponsible and your attack on Papermasters in subsequent posts has been flawed. Your suggestions that I am hiding something, rather than simply disagreeing with you, are childish. Grow up and learn that adults don't always agree and that everything isn't about YOU.


Ok, this is about you lol. That stance makes you a hypocrite. No one gets to suddenly decide that they've done enough to no longer have to provide evidence to back their arguments. Readers aren't simply going to believe a post by you simply because you posted it.

And frankly your refusal to provide evidence or to discuss this rationally is what gives me, someone who has been one of your supporters, cause for concern.


What's limited about my prices? I looked at several data sets; you looked at one. In some cases, Papermasters is more expensive. In other cases, ********* is more expensive. You're the one equating a font with automatic fraud, a significant and irresponsible leap in logic.


I'm not focused only on urgent pricing points. I included non-urgent prices as well. Can you not see that in my post? Was that not clear enough for you?You're the one choosing to only focus on one set of prices and trying to pretend that they're the only one that matters.

So, it's any site now, huh? You going to actually name some sites to provide evidence or are you going to keep making unevidenced assertions? What's wrong with my fair offer? You say 10 sites and I'll check them out. I'm not so emotionally invested in this board that I won't admit that I'm wrong about something. How about you?


Nope. I'm simply pointing out that you have zero evidence for your assertion. None. But you want all readers to believe it anyway. No thanks. I like my beliefs to be substantiated by evidence. I thought you felt the same.


I didn't make that assertion. Learn how to read. I simply pointed out that I don't believe you have the evidence to support your claim. And then I shared my own personal experience, which contradicts your assertion. I work in the industry and apparently you don't, so I am going to value my experience over your none until you give me a reason to think otherwise.

And since you refuse to provide any evidence... I still think I'm right.


Now this is just silly. If you have posted this in the first post, I wouldn't have gotten involved. Of course this is the case.

But that's not what you posted in your first post. Half of your first post talks about font and the other half talks about fraud sites being cheaper than legit sites. Very different points. But I'm glad to see that you are moving away from the flawed claims in your original post.

And timing is now a "silly variable"?? Instead of, say, one of the most important factors determining a project's price?? Really??? Hmm...


Comments like that make you an obnoxious jerk, you know that? I mean seriously. Are you just incapable of civil disagreement? Too much California koolaid and not enough valley wine?


I realize that you don't have a math background but you should still probably be aware that there are multiple ways to round. So long as the system is consistent, it's generally considered legit. I was doing the math quickly and I rounded everything to odd numbers, except perfect zeroes (take a look at my post and look at all the numbers).

If I had done traditional rounding, then the 8.3 cents I assigned to ********* in the 3-4 day category would have actually been 8.4. See? The error evens out. Just like it would have if I had used the simple 5 rounding that you seem to want to use.

And it's not like 11.1 or 11.2 changes my point, which is that the courier new font pricing is the better per word pricing for customers in that case. I could have just made it 11 cents and 13 cents a word, same point and the gap would have been bigger in favor of Papermasters (since you want to accuse me of defending them), but since I'm not biased, I thought 1 decimal place would be fairer to both companies. And I picked odd numbers because the data seemed to support that and it was easy to do. I expect math folks (even EW who has no reason to agree with me) can acknowledge that this rounding isn't crazy.

And that's why your suggestion that I "falsified data" makes you an obnoxious jerk. Seriously. The 11.1 could have been a typo or an honest math error or something else, but you go for the cheap shot anyway.

My original post was civil and even deferential:


We could have talked this out but instead you've consistently dragged this into the sewer. Your comment about giving me the benefit of the doubt would have been thoughtful and been well received by me if you hadn't felt the need to try to use the "falsified data" potshot. I'm not going to bother to be civil when you refuse to contain your childish ranting and accusations.

I'm not lying. I have no reason to lie. I've been on this board for over a year, made plenty of posts, and never once been accused of being connected to a particular company. I'm not making wild accusations. I'm simply pointing out that your blanket accusations aren't true.

To sum up:

A font choice does not automatically make a company a fraud. Customers should review prices and comparison shop if they want the best deal.

Happy Thanksgiving to the U.S. readers (and insert an appropriate holiday if you live elsewhere)!


B96 gets it! (Is that name a Chicago radio station reference, btw?)

Right, you say you're not a writer for or an owner of a company. Are you employed in any way by an essay site?

You're making an assertion about what services are most popular. Period. I'm not going to do the work to disprove your assertion - if you want someone to believe your assertion, then you should be willing to do the work to prove it. In fact, you frequently criticize others for not providing proof to back up their claims:


This site is littered with comments by you demanding proof to support people's comments. It's your turn to follow your own advice and prove your assertion or give it up already.

But I'll offer you what I think is a fair alternative. You post 10 companies that you know your statement is true for and I'll check with their owners and see if you're correct. Fair?


They paid for 5 pages. I had discretion on the word count as I often do. My point is simple - word count does not equal quality and that example proves it. In fact, if you are a professional writer, then you should understand that it is more difficult to write in a concise manner than it is to add fluff and padding to make a project longer.

Scenario A is irrelevent. Making up situations that will never happen to prove a point is a weak form of argument. I won't bother to make one up to prove my point because I have actual data drawn from reality.

Scenario B is also irrelevent because of the price data given above. The price of a paper is determined by a lot of different factors beyond words, the most important being TIME but also things like LEVEL of difficulty and SUBJECT CONTENT. I charge more for graduate level chemistry papers than I do undergrad book reviews, regardless of font or word count.

Look, you've conceded this multiple times and seem to want to make it go away by pretending that I didn't type it:

"1 day delivery
********* = $34.00 per page (11.3 cents a word)
Papermasters = 27.95 per page (11.1 cents a word)

Less than 1 day
********* = $38.00 per page (12.7 cents a word)
Papermasters = $27.95 per page (11.1 cents a word)

When one does the math, it's pretty easy to see that, depending upon the deadline, one can pay more or less per word with either company. If it's a rush, customers will pay less per word with papermasters even with the font difference."

You claim to not be a writer or an owner of a company, so your position is based on what evidence exactly?

I can speak from experience as a writer. The vast majority of work that I take at the undergraduate level falls within a 3 day deadline (not the cheapest service available). If graduate, that's different, but we haven't discussed graduate level work prices between the different fonts yet - if you want to do the math, go for it, but I expect that graduate prices will mirror undergraduate prices and that word value will vary depending upon deadline.


That's simply not true. I did the math above to demonstrate a couple of examples. If one is simply comparing price between Papermasters (Courier New) versus ********* (Times New), one will pay more per word with Papermasters for any order within a one day deadline, All Other Factors Being Equal. This is true also for less than one day. Irrefutable.

Look, I just wrote a five page essay today in Times New Roman. When I finished it, it was 1723 words. I went back and revised, removing about 100 words. Does that mean that the client received a less valuable product because the essay was 100 words less after revisions? Of course not.