Definitely. I write for about half a dozen of them; so does Pheelyks.

I write for Student Coursework...totally legit and the work won't be resold. If you get a plagiarized paper, just report it to them and the writer will get fired if it's verified. If the reliance on quotes is excessive, they'll rewrite it. I know it's not one of mine because I almost never use any quotes except when the customer demands it, and even then, only under protest after trying to explain that using a lot of quotes is not usually a good idea. Just out of curiosity, what was your general topic?

Depends on where you are and how you paid. In the U.S. you probably wouldn't be bound even if you agreed to what is called an "accord and satisfaction" or other ordinarily binding settlement because there was no underlying good-faith dispute in the first place. If you can prove that the product you paid for (i.e. original work) was never provided, then they breached the contract deliberately and defrauded you, so you're entitled to your money back. If the first rep at your credit card company doesn't know that, ask a supervisor, and if they don't know, ask them to run it through their legal department for an answer. If you paid a less secure way, it may not be worth the effort and expense to go the small claims court route, but the same principles would apply there. If there was a good-faith dispute (like you complained about the quality based on subjective opinion but they gave you what they promised), you'd be bound by accepting the partial refund.

I completely agree that your previous threads should help him distinguish fraudulent sites from legitimate ones but I have to respectfully disagree with this part of your statement.


I've already lost my outgoing PM privileges on this forum for contacting people to offer them my services but you yourself know for an absolute fact that the websites for whom I write are the most legitimate ones in this business. You'd also have certainly heard about it here if anybody who ever used me privately had any complaints about my work.

Obviously, people should always be careful about trusting any stranger who offers recommendations through PMs or otherwise; but I don't think it necessarily follows that anybody who violates the rules of an Internet forum must work for untrustworthy sites. Both legitimate trusworthy writers and total frauds violate the no-solicitation rules here equally; that doesn't mean anybody who violates an Internet forum rule is also someone who rips off clients or works for sites that do.

Companies that own multiple sites generally use the same writers, just like some car service companies do business under more than one emblem using the same cars and drivers whether you call one of their 800 numbers or another.

Competing companies do not use the same group of writers although there's nothing to stop individual contracted freelance writers from working for unrelated or competing companies.

I don't think there's such a thing as any writing company that actually has a physical office where dozens of writers come into work, punch a clock, and work a shift in a big room together. Most of us do this work because it allows us to work from home; going into an office to punch a clock for a regular work shift would defeat the principal purpose of working as freelance writers.

Most of us sign non-exclusive contracts with as many different companies as we want and also take work privately from our own clients.

You're closer to having outgoing PM privileges on this forum than I am; mine were suspended a long time ago and never reinstated. I can't initiate contact with anybody anymore.

I write for ********* and nothing is ever plagiarized; if it ever is, you'll get a refund and the writer will get fired. It's also the kind of project you'll be getting in sections so you can run your own plagiarism check on them as they come in. That's the length of a good-sized book, so you need either a writer who knows your topic as well as you do or you have to be able to provide the necessary instruction and guidelines. Writers don't have any copyright interests in anything we write. What's your topic?

I write for them and I think I can vouch for their legitimacy and honesty without violating forum rules.

He's right. You can't "clearly-state-and-policy" your way out of an implied warranty of fitness for the intended use of your product. You don't guarantee a letter grade because you prohibit submission of your product for academic credit; that's fine. But you still have to provide a product that meets the passing standards of scholarship so that the customer can do whatever it is you do authorize him to do with your product, such as assist him in his own research and writing. F-quality work on your end is nothing helpful to him even if he uses your product appropriately. If you can't guarantee that the product you provide is passable quality at the level of school he specified, you shouldn't take the order; you can't have it both ways. His turning it in in violation of your "stated policy" doesn't absolve you of the responsibility to provide a piece of work that would be passable at that level in terms of its quality.


Granted, he shouldn't be submitting it for credit but you're still obligated to give him a product that is of passable academic quality at the level of schooling he ordered. What he does with it after delivery is not your responsibility, nor is the grade he gets if he chooses to violate your stated policy by submitting it for credit. On the other hand, if he submits it and it gets an F, that's prima facie evidence that you didn't give him what you contracted to provide before he ever violated your policy after receiving it from you.


That's the exact same argument traffic cops hear all day everyday by speeders caught dead to rights: "Why are you cops bothering with such minor things like speeding when there are so many more serious crimes and real serious criminals out there?" They were speeding and you charged a lot of money for an F-quality essay. Sounds to me like this forum served its purpose.

I write for them and know they're 100% legit in general; but I've never sold any old essays online and don't know anything about that part of the business besides whatever's posted on the website.

As I said, I know nothing about the company in question but I do know that's not how SNR communicates with customers or does business. Their customer service people sign all their communications too, and those aren't their names.

Let me just translate that for you:

"I haven't had a chance to start your paper yet because I'm way behind schedule but I'll probably be able to write it on 4/16. I'm asking your permission so that there will be a record of it in case you try to get a refund when we miss your deadline. Your topic is actually a very easy paper that any competent writer could complete in a couple of hours and is really no more 'interesting' than any of the other thousands of papers I've written but I need to give you some BS excuse that flatters you to keep you from complaining or demanding a refund. If you do eventually get a paper from us, it's definitely not going to 'shine' any brighter than any other paper we churn out."

...and that's the best case scenario that assumes you'll eventually get your paper. I wouldn't agree to any further deadlines; I'd notify them that the last extension was a firm deadline that can't be extended; and I'd call your cc company as soon as the deadline expires to dispute the charge. Good luck. Please follow up and let us know what happened.

PS - I don't know anything about the company in question; I just know BS when I smell it. "Too interesting" yeah, right; "writer suddenly resigned because of personal emergency" umhum; "second writer suddenly got sick" ok, sure. Nobody else in the organization can just bang out a simple freshman college paper, huh?

That may have been your experience with whichever site you used but you really don't have any basis for making those kinds of accusations about an entire industry based on your problems with one order on one site. I know nothing about that site but I know for a fact that your advice doesn't apply to any of the companies that use my services.

Huh?

I don't know about other companies, but all the ones who use me always check our work with something like turnitin software. Plagiarism gets you fired immediately. It wouldn't take too long to get caught even if they didn't; the first time a student complained and forwarded a plagiarism report documenting plagiarism, we'd be done. From what I've read on this forum about other companies, that's obviously not universally true in the industry.

This might be a first in the history of Internet forums: someone actually plagiarizing an entire forum post (except for substituting a scam company for a legit company, that is).

I've explained this many times: I have no interest in "advertising" for any company that uses my services because I don't benefit from that at all and they don't pay me for that. The only services I've ever "advertised" here are my personal freelance services and my PMs were disabled a long time ago for that. I simply respond honestly and appropriately from first-hand personal knowledge whenever I see accusations about those companies that I know for a fact are entirely untrue nonsense from shady competitors.

As always, no "advertising" for myself could possibly be more effective than your nonsense; please keep it up by all means. Thank you (again) in advance for your steering more and more clients directly my way; I genuinely appreciate it.

Another couple of suggestions for customers:

When you send supplemental resource files, it can take the better part of a day before they actually become available to us on the company systems. If you already included the entire paper description in your order (which is always smart), we don't need a supplemental file with nothing but the exact same information. All you're doing is causing an unnecessary delay because if your order says that files are being sent, we can't start writing until we get them. For all we know, you're sending us essential files that are required for the paper.

Also, stop sending us "grading rubrics," especially for typical college essays. We don't need any help organizing papers properly, referencing our sources, or making sure that our grammar and spelling are correct for the same exact reason your car mechanic doesn't need your suggestions for holding a wrench or connecting a hose. Before you waste your time and ours and delay your paper by sending us rubrics as files, ask yourself whether there's really anything in the rubric that you think anybody who writes 3-4 (and often more) of these papers every single day for a living doesn't already know.

Finally, here's a trick you can use anytime you want to make sure that no writer ever takes your paper off the company boards: Don't include any information about what the paper is about in the boxes provided for ordering. Just use those boxes to tell us that all the necessary information will be sent as a file later. If you want to really make it absolutely impossible to write your paper, do that and then don't bother sending any files. Also, when you order clothes online, don't give them any item # or your size or color choice because that's just as great a way to order clothes. Just give them your credit card and ask them to send you "that shirt in your catalog."

If a specific citation style was requested, they have a right to a revision. That said, customers have no right to expect any revisions like that otherwise. In fact, I'll admit that in the States, we do not study citation style very much; it's something most of us have to become familiar with "on the job" and it can be a royal pain.

Also, customers should know that from our point of view, if you insist on any citation style that requires page numbers, you've just dramatically reduced the chances that some of us will bother taking your order. Let's say that I've written (literally) 100+ papers on Constitutional Law or Nursing or Criminal Justice or Business Management. After a dozen or so papers on very similar topics, I don't really have to look all that much up because even a dope like me can remember a few dozen books and journals in each of those topics including the names of authors and publication dates. Most of my A-quality essays on those topics are written without even glancing at any sources because I'm sure what I found there many times before is still there. I write the paper and then insert the appropriate in-text references for anything that requires a reference.

If you force me to actually dig up all those books and journals to find specific page numbers (and the first names and middle initials of every author), that paper just became much more of a pain that will waste a lot of time to find specific pages. If you're assigned MLA, you have no choice; if you're not, just let us choose what style to use. I cannot tell you how frustrating it is to see papers I could bang out at A-quality in an hour or two but with such specific demands for references that it's not worth the bother.

Also, if you submit 20 pages of your textbook in 20 individual scans (some of which can't even be viewed clearly or printed out), I click away from your paper as soon as I see a string of .gifs on the resource screen. That's also a shame because sometimes the choices customers make in submitting files is the hardest for them and also the least convenient for us.

Finally, if you clutter my account with a rewrite request asking for something (like a thesis statement) that's right there exactly where it should be because you haven't even bothered to read the paper you had me write for you, I'm sorry, but I just don't have the patience to respond except to clear it off my screen and refer you directly to customer service.

Pheelyks and I have both been very open about the fact that we do write for ET but we're not here to promote any company. My original purpose for joining this forum was simply to increase my own private client list and not to argue with anybody about any commercial essay companies. As freelancers, we don't really have any incentive to waste our time promoting companies that use our services; increasing the company profit margin doesn't benefit us one bit and neither does increasing traffic to them because we get enough work for ourselves already. I only respond to the lies I've seen about the company because I know for a fact that they're not true and it annoys me to read them; I've written thousands of papers for them since 2003 and I know they do a very honest business.

Sorry I missed your post. I'm no longer allowed to send PMs but I believe I'm still allowed to receive them if you want to ask my opinion privately about any essay companies that might or might not be scams.

That was just a little joke based on an American slang phrase that sounds a lot like your name but probably shouldn't be typed out on a public forum in case anybody confused it with a racial epithet. Never mind.

Ironically, there's a well-known Internet forum picture with that phrase followed by the words "...I ain't readin' all that" over a picture of Colin Powell holding his hands up that people often post after extremely long posts that nobody but the author is likely to read in their entirety.

Just Google "Colin Powell" + "Ain't readin" in Google Images.

"Nia Please"

I don't know much more about them than whatever I've read on this forum; that's the first I ever heard of essaybay and a customer of mine told me about elancer. I registered an account there but I've never used it since.

Realistically, the first time you use any writing service you're taking a risk, pretty much the same as with a new car mechanic. Whether you try a company or a private freelancer, you should place a small order first instead of waiting until you need a big important paper. There are probably fewer private freelancers who are dishonest because it would be much harder for us to earn a living based on first-time/last-time customers than a commercial scam company that processes hundreds or thousands of orders every month. We depend on repeat customers and word-of-mouth referrals and couldn't stay in business on one-time customers.

If you paid by credit card, you could probably dispute a charge for essays never received at all or for plagiarized essays, or for essays sent a long time after the deadline, but probably not for missed deadlines of a day or two unless you have some written agreement (or an email exchange) that specifies that "time is of the essence" or that spells out a specific penalty for missing the deadline at all.

If you paid by cash or wire transfer, chances are you're out of luck even if you never got a paper unless you happen to live in the same state, it's worth your while to pursue it in small claims court, and you know the writer's actual name and address. If that particular state happens to have any statutes prohibitting academic ghostwriting, you're screwed unless the small claims arbitrator or judge isn't aware of it.

Usually, when someone announces something like that in his first post it's obviously a competitor and not a "customer." What was the order # and the basis of your complaint?

Usually, that question never gets answered because it never happened. Prove you're an DR customer by posting the order #.

Thanks and point taken. On the other hand, I no longer have outgoing PM privileges here and someone who expresses an unsolicited interest in contacting me doesn't have any way of knowing that. If I still had PM privileges, I could have just responded privately via PM that I can be reached through my email address. I'm assuming forum members are allowed to exchange email addresses through PMs here if one forum member happens to ask another forum member for an email address, right?

Unfortunately, my outgoing PM privileges have been suspended and you need at least 10 posts to send any yourself. If you'd like my advice about how not to get ripped off as a customer of this industry, you can find me very easily on AOL.

I'm assuming that's the obvious reason you have in mind. Thank you for asking.

That's one reason you're comparatively safe with private freelancers: we need repeat customers and referrals from satisfied customers and could never make a regular living on unsatisfied first-time/last-time customers.

I'm familiar with Education Law 213; is that the only NYS statute relevant to this industry? It doesn't require any transfer of copyright for a violation, just the provision of any written work for submission for academic credit.

Is NYS Education Law even enforceable against anybody who isn't a student or a professional educator? (Not a rhetorical question: I genuinely don't know.)

I couldn't find anything on the NYS Assembly site about this topic via that link or a key word search. Can you provide a link to it or the Bill #?

I registered on Elance recently after a client mentioned it but I haven't gotten the few jobs I bid on so I don't know much about it. It does seem very underpriced based on the quotes posted for the amount of work requested. If those are representative of the going market rate, that probably means there are a lot of desperate writers on there. I tried to use this same ID but their system doesn't allow any use of "elancer" in user names, so I went with FederalWriter instead.

I can't speak for anybody else, but I generally charge slightly more than the cheapest commercial rates available from any companies that use my services and substantially less than their most expensive rates for comparable delivery times. Several of my clients use me for rush papers and have taken my suggestion to use the commercial sites that I've recommended for longer deadlines; others don't mind paying slightly more for the consistency of always knowing who the writer is and for the more personalized services available from private freelance writers.

I don't know any other Edit My Assignment writers besides Ph, but I know that I was was born and raised and have lived in NYC all of my life, I have undergraduate degrees in History and Psychology and a graduate degree in U.S. Law and all of my degrees are also from schools in New York. I definitely made more money as a writer/editor (GS 1082-12) for a large U.S. federal agency, but not enough to outweight all the other things I like so much more about working exclusively from home. I've been writing for Edit My Assignment since 2003, have never had an order refunded but whenever we get rewrite requests we have to complete them within 48 hours if they're valid requests (as opposed to requests for things never in the original order, etc). Thanks for asking.

Is there an English-language version of that mess anywhere?

Huh? Where'd I do that?

Originally, I hated the fact that this forum doesn't allow editing posts after 15 minutes, but with you idiots hanging around it's a great feature that preserves your self-embarrassment and self-destruction of any conceivable credibility.

If I were going to advertise here, I'd advertise for myself privately before any essay company, even the ones for whom I've always admitted writing. I was reprimanded for posting my writing areas and for "leaving breadcrumbs" to my services and I stopped doing all that. I also lost my PM privileges (permanently, I think) for offering my services privately. That was a few months ago and there hasn't been a single rules violation by me since then.

Lately, you idiots probably drive more people my way than I ever could anyway; same goes for new ET customers too, probably.

Thanks.

I've never said a word about a single company you've mentioned because I don't claim to know anything about any company other than those that use me. I have never criticized ESLs either, except to say that ESLs should never fail to disclose that they are, in fact, ESLs. If customers want to use them knowing they're ESLs, that's fine; most American customers do not want ESL writers for very obvious reasons illustrated perfectly by the glaring examples of ESL "English" bolded in your post above for emphasis. That's why most of you lie about it or just conveniently fail to disclose it.

I don't know anything about anybody on this forum except for one other writer because he and I both happen to use our IDs as our forum IDs. I've always been very open about being one of their writers and without "advertising" or suggesting what sites anybody should or shouldn't use, I can say unequivocally and honestly from first-hand experience (since 2003) that Research Paper Topics is a totally legit service that provides every essay ordered (or a 100% refund in the event an order can't be filled). I write as many as 100 papers a month for them and their other sites and get more requests from repeat customers than I can accept.

That should not be a problem; I do analytical papers all the time, just not too many on literature at that level. There a lot of writers who do specialize in literature, one of whom I happen to know frequents this board (and it's not me). Specify and stress the analytical issue in your order exactly the way you did here. I'd suggest ordering as many new pages as you need plus 5 additional pages and explain that you want that portion of the order to be used to rewrite the original 10. I have a paper exactly like that to do later today: 10 existing pages to edit with 3 pages to add for the price of 8 new pages.

I imagine if you can refer your cc company to the plagiarized sources, getting a refund shouldn't be a problem at all.

Yes, every company that I write for is totally legitimate. Writers are individuals and you might like the work of certain ones better than others; that's why they allow you to request specific writers (and why I always suggest sticking with the same one after you get a good essay). They're also human (mostly), and sometimes get sick, have family problems, or screw up deadlines, but probably a lot less than the average professional person does at jobs where you don't deal with juggling short overlapping deadlines constantly. They also track our missed deadlines every month.

I guess it's against the rules to list the companies I write for but it's not too hard to figure it out. I'm not saying they're necessarily "better" than any other legitimate company simply because I know nothing about any other companies besides whatever I've read here. All I know is if you order a paper from any company I write for, you always get what you paid for unless nobody takes the paper, in which case you get a 100% refund. If the writer makes mistakes, you get a rewrite within 48 hours and usually much sooner. By all means, post any truthful complaints about any company right here; if you form an opionion that a particular company (or person) is legitimate and honest and not a scam in any way, I think you're allowed to post that too, but I'm not really sure.