@Cite: you seem to get very brave castigating and challenging posters whose responses are a bit stale (ten years on a shelf in this case). Have you seen the more recent accusations of libel, disinformation, etc. made against you? I'm sure other prospective customers have. I suspect that they are also wondering: do you have a comment to make about those accusations?

Perhaps you'd like to attempt to defend yourself, rather than picking fights with people who left the forum long ago.

@Cite: The common enemy in this industry is scam companies from countries that don't speak English, acting like they are legitimate operators in academic English ghostwriting just because they are criminals. The domestic criminals they have largely replaced at least spoke English as it is spoken in countries where it's the official language. As soon as you get that through your thick skull, you can serve the common good by exiting the industry, and doing something more suited to your own skills and talents.

@Cite: That's not going to be a source of income that will get you anywhere but with a stable of terrified writers who can't get work anywhere else that doesn't also fine them.

Fining writers is not an accepted and legit practice in this industry. Neither is doxxing clients. You can't just pick and choose when it comes to ethical practice. Go big or go home, as they say.

So... for anyone else paying attention: as referenced in another post, Cite has learned one thing from copying other posters on this forum: he has ended his policy of not allowing writers to communicate directly with customers.

Something he has NOT learned is how to stop his unethical, draconian plundering tactics re: his own company's writers.

By responding to Cite, even in censure, I feel that we, as other posters, are helping him to learn. I don't mean learn English in a comparatively authentic idiom; there's no hope there. What I mean is, he is learning how to LOOK legit. He isn't legit. May I suggest that we all stop helping him out?

I know it's hard to resist.

PEACE OUT

@Cite: Are you serious? Revisions are a fact of life in this business. Either the customer screws up the instructions, or the writer misunderstands them, and the paper needs revised.

Someone has given this idiot carte blanche to give irresponsible, dead-wrong advice on this forum, not to mention his advocating illegal and unethical practices. Ultimately, the responsibility lies with the mods and site owners.

@Cite: The market for pre-written papers has been dead for nearly a decade. Where have you been?

@Cite: The bottom line is that you are trying to run an academic ghostwriting biz in English, when you're obviously operating in a place where English isn't spoken. People are going to make fun of you and bully you for pretending that you belong on this forum with legit operators who have responsible advice to give, because that's so obviously BS.

You also make legit providers look bad. Advocating scumbag tactics like fining writers and doxxing clients is going to make a wide range people hate and challenge you. Copying the policies of the legit posters who censure you makes you look even worse. No one likes a hypocrite, especially a wheedling, self-obsessed one who never engages or says thanks.

It's also very annoying that you give irresponsible, ridiculous advice. For example, your recent conclusion that "revisions are useless; customers should demand a refund" is laughable. It's beyond out-of-touch, and so are you. It's really a jackass thing to state here, but then again, you are the site's resident jackass. Naturally, people are going to want to point that out.

Don't whine about being bullied when your very existence here equates to a "kick me" sign on your back.

@MeoKhan: No.

@MeoKhan: No.

@ CIte: When you live in a world of padding orders, doxxing customers, fining writers, etc. I'd imagine you just see 100% positive reviews as a trick-- but even then, you have to do some research. You can just type some paranoid, personal vitriol out and say "for sure" at the end. This isn't a fiction forum, and you have been warned about libel here before.

Based on his posts, it's fair to assume that Cite has a writing pool of ESL writers whom he feels free to fine at will (essentially robbery). They don't go anywhere else, though, because no one else will hire them. Their writing is likely incomprehensible, especially if Cite is their QC. I wouldn't trust them with revisions, either.

@Cite You have to understand that this industry has legitimate operators in it whose writers provide competent revisions. There are also individual freelance writers who provide competent revisions. Not everyone operates like you. In fact, yours is the scumbag way, and virtually ensures that you will never hire any real talent.

@Cite: Who cares what you think? What's the actual definition? You have Google, Google Scholar, or if not, whatever you have in your country, some equivalent... they're not perfect for bigger questions, but, "What is a native English speaker?" is not a tough one!

@mods: Why do my posts calling out Cite's error-riddled disinformation campaign always get deleted? Why does said campaign remain?

Here's a great quote that speaks to the heart of the matter: "A 'native speaker of English' refers to someone who has learned and used English from early childhood. It does not necessarily mean that it is the speaker's only language, but it means it is and has been the primary means of concept formation and communication... formal English is only one aspect of the language. Knowing instantly what slang means, what cultural references mean, how to reduce syntax to a bare minimum and still convey precise meaning - all these things, and more, are what constitute native speech." (english.stackexchange.com/questions/14582/meaning-of-native-speaker-of-english).

Focus on the topic, not on trolling other posters.

@FreelanceWriter: Cite, who is unlikely to respond to you, has proven over and over on this forum that he has little knowledge about how a legitimate essay provider works. It seems like he's operating out of someplace where anything goes, so his dim views of common industry practice and copyright law are no big surprise. Your response to what I call Cite's ongoing disinformation campaign is a good one, and clears up this thread a bit.

The problem is, Cite can learn a lot from a response like this, and tailor the facade of his operation accordingly. Although it is hard to resist, and I do it, too, I think that people should stop helping Cite by telling him how legit operations work. It seems very unlikely that he is going to thank you in any way, and it also seems unlikely that he is going to see the light and start operating a legit business, when the laws of wherever he is won't compel him to.

*IN/ON THIS FORUM

@Cite: Being familiar with English as it is authentically spoken/written is an integral foundation to being able to provide acceptable copy in this industry. You don't have that familiarity. And when you don't have it, you're A (as a writer) not going to sound right to professors and B (as an administrator) not going to be able to detect what sounds right. In this sort of operation, it's funny, because no one at the company knows what sounds right, so the fining starts to get more and more arbitrary. Then, before you know it, it's just you and the dregs. The situation is as hilarious to observe as it is unsustainable to experience. Enjoy it while you can!

@Cite: Who cares what you believe? Listen, I'm no mountain climber. But I don't sit down next to Mt. Everest and say, "I don't believe for a second that people can make it to the top, because I can't." I realize my limitations, for one thing, and for another, I don't like looking like a complete idiot.

In addition, what does this even mean? You're the language expert here, right, you're determining who can write what on which side of the pond. So maybe you can deign to speak to one of your many, frequent challengers.

Did you mean, "assure yourself BY hiring?" Even then, with the correct preposition, it's poor-- stilted, stiff, self-conscious and unnatural. Did you mean, "ensure that you hire?"

Do you see the mess you make when you try to pretend you're fluent in a language you can barely get around in? Put an exponent on that mess, and there you have your "company."

Just because you personally can't do something, Cite, doesn't mean it can't be done. You're like a little kid who plays hide-and-seek by closing their eyes as tightly as possible.

Who's the idiot? You post libel and disinformation here daily. "As far as I know--" in your case, not very far-- isn't proof. Neither is "I believe..."

Also, learn to take a challenge head-on. Stop passing it on to posters who haven't been here in decades.

You see what I mean? "These days" being the 1970s, if you're in the US/UK market. Cite is catching up, thanks to all of the blabbermouthed doofuses ON this forum.

Luckily, he can't seem to shake his tells. Thank God English is nearly impossible to learn!