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AmonsEssays   
Dec 08, 2010

School of LawFreelanceWriter: I do disagree somewhat.

If I have a paper due over time, I might give the customer a draft early on so they know I'm working on it.

But otherwise, it is true that it is bad etiquette to pester your writer.

If you are concerned about it, OP, TELL the writer AT THE TIME OF NEGOTIATION that you want a draft at X time or a check-up at Y point in the project.

Otherwise, you are breaking the implicit contract you have signed with them by contacting them.

As for samples we send out, Freelance: I send out samples of my own work, little stories and essays I've done for fun or other things. I NEVER send out another clients' work. I do agree, though, that prospective clients need to understand that we've done all we can. I write all I can in my website just so they know I can write.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 08, 2010

What's worked for me and my subcontractors in a similar position (people trying to enter the industry) is to promote EVERYWHERE you can. Craigslist, BackPages... Just type in "free online classifieds", "free online advertising", etc. Start there. After that, if it's in budget start a promotion.

Just try to make sure you don't spam people. It's wrong and it's not effective.

As for working for other essay companies: This whole site is a testament to the dangers. What scares me is that many of my subcontractors report applying to other places that promise a 24 or 48 hour return time, then don't hear back from the companies after months.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 08, 2010

I'll say here what I will elsewhere: I typically either let the client pay me after work, have some kind of quality guarantee, help them after the fact if there is a problem with the grade, or have the client pay 50% up front. I've had mostly good results with this, except for one delinquent account.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 08, 2010

I bet toptermpapers.com is connected to perfecttermpapers in some way. One thing I've found: These companies are incestuously intermarried.

For me, the big warning sign I see from my subcontractors and clients who report working with these companies is that the e-mail itself is filled with errors. How can a legitimate writing company hire public relations people who don't know how to write in the language of the client? What kind of professional company has e-mails that are formatted in an ugly way, misspelled, ungrammatical or employ bad syntax? Watch for that WAY before you agree to taking the paper.

Another piece of advice: Try calling their customer service line BEFORE you fill the paper. If they claim to have a 24 hour line yet they don't, that's a sign that, no matter what, they are dishonest at least in one location.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 08, 2010
General Talk / How to cheat turnitin.com [42]

It shouldn't be a problem in the first place, since if you are honest, the paper should be individually written.

That having been said, I have had problems with Turn-it-in thinking ACTUAL QUOTES were plagiarism. Quotes in quotation marks. With parentheses afterwards. With author name and date. Yeah...
AmonsEssays   
Dec 09, 2010

That was about 3,000 essays ago.

I don't either, I tend to do everything in one go or maybe two and certainly don't have discrete drafting. But, as Isaac Asimov famously argued, everyone's different here. Shakespeare proclaimed that he never had to blot a word. Oscar Wilde, meanwhile, was satisfied with his day's work being adding, then removing, a semicolon.

Certainly, if the customer would like to see an initial draft before they commit to a particular thesis, interpretation or direction, that's not an unreasonable request, given ample time. But that needs to be disclosed at the time.

I personally adopt a policy of unlimited, free editing up until the due date. After that, well...

In my experience, prospective clients want academic samples in a similar style and on a similar topic to the work they need from me; they're not interested in my recreational writing. In any case, I'd never send anything more recent than about six months old.

Yeah, it becomes very difficult when someone wants a paper that is not only a writing sample but also recent, within their field, etc. Where do they EXPECT one to get that? I personally have a few writing samples that were never turned into a plagiarism database and are kept private, but there's no way I can have every possible permutation of subject matter on hand. This is why I really prefer clients to talk to me at least three days before a project is due. It's also why, if a client is seeking out help a day or (Heaven forbid) an hour before a project is due, they have to follow the rule, "Caveat emptor". Sorry, but you just cannot reasonably expect a guarantee of fast, confidential, skillful work that matches your prompt and writing style precisely. Pick three or four of those objectives, not five.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 09, 2010

No one should have to be "vigilant" with their employers.

"You think that $10 per page is "high"? (I don't know whether to laugh or cry.) The bare minimum from any of the American companies in the industry is $10 per page, even for an order that is not due for 3 months!

EssayWriters.net abuses writers and gets them to work for rates that border on SLAVE LABOR because you writers LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!"

To be fair, I have frequently done work, in America, for $5-$7.50. This is because I targeted people who were pretty poor, which is a market not often tapped. I've slowly raised that over time to $12.50-$20.00.

What is clear is that $5 is the LOWEST that one could possibly go in America and be reasonable.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 09, 2010

I'd also add: YOU are the "public" before you are hired. If they respond to you with an automated e-mail riddled with errors, they didn't do their due diligence in producing good work to look professional to you, a potential employee.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 09, 2010

LBeezy: That is because this site is NOT designed to advertise. It makes it too easy for adbots to do their work. It is designed to steer writers and students AWAY from bad, dishonest sites. Basically, if you see a service listed here, good chance that's a bad sign. The more search results, the more likely the company is bad. Also make sure that you look at the date of the posts: More recent, the better.

essaychat.com is a place to discuss that I've been directed to. Check Craigslist too, plenty of small businesses and freelancers promote there.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 09, 2010

This is stupid. The idea that a company can be sued, therefore they are untrustworthy, is so mind-bogglingly anti-logical it makes my eyes bleed.

Simple fact: If a company can be sued, that means they have registered corporate officers, an address, landlines, attorneys... They exist in some non-Internet way.

What if I'm a writer or customer and WANT to sue a foreign company? Cuts both ways, right?

Furthermore, essay writing is not illegal in the vast majority of jurisdictions, just not ethical to turn in for students. So who cares?
AmonsEssays   
Dec 09, 2010

Yeah, this is silly. The whole point was that a) it's all about the consumer being informed and b) the fact that the Americanness/Britishness of companies is used as a metric of their quality. It's a guess.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 09, 2010

Divonspear: The problem is that if you don't have arms, it's hard to catch fish. Some people find it so immensely difficult to write that they don't know how to bridge the gap between the prompt and the assignment. I've established good contacts with a few long-term customers, and I see them improve over time.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 09, 2010

Scam Buster: No one asked. You seem to be treading awfully close to spam in terms of making non-relevant comments outside of your thread about AllAnswers.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 09, 2010

To be fair, I could shoeshorn 20 sources into 3 pages using block cites or using footnotes ;) . Yes, the customer was probably being silly, but it may have been a single vs. double-spaced confusion and it doesn't matter since they are the customer. You do your best...

As much as you'd like to make it a race issue, it's not. It's a state-of-mind issue. Blacks and whites alike staunchly opposed Ebonics, which is why it failed. Educators should not dumb-down, REWARD ignorance, and/or justify poor performance by leaning on students' imaginary crutches! Moronic "educators" like you make certain students feel that they are NOT equal and do NOT have the inherent ability to perform and succeed. You breed failure.

Ummmmm, this is an abusive and inaccurate statement. American English from the perspective of the Brits is "dumb[ed]-down". There is healthy disagreement among educators and cultural anthropologists as to the value of Ebonics and "black English". Certainly, it is a discrete cultural form that has existed for centuries and impacted conventional language.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 09, 2010

Americanwriter--

So you're here to "hype" a company?

Isn't that against the TOU?

Why, yes it is.

Of course, the wonderful people of the Ukraine are not the concern here. Indeed, someone who ostensibly likes Ukrainians should care about the scammers and cheats representing their country as badly as Nigerian spammers do.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 09, 2010

Yes. Accusations of "abrasiveness" followed by the word "idiot", when the correction itself was very respectful and not personal. Perhaps a review of "ad hominem" is in order.

Tell me: If a kid grows up speaking Yiddish in his/her household, should they be told their ignorance should be replaced by German?

Yiddish is now accepted thanks only to the passage of time. Ebonics isn't. The difference is solely due to the social power and acceptance of those communities.

Nor am I saying, as you vigorously beat a strawman I did not argue (made easy by incomplete quotation), that Ebonics should be INSTEAD of English. If I'm asked to write an essay in American English, writing it in British English is inappropriate, even though British English is an absolutely legitimate dialect. The same thing is true of Ebonics, and in fact many Afro-American scholars have argued that it is MORE so. Black students should learn how to write in the dominant language of the culture, but even that is a demand that is based on the capacity of the dominant culture to DEMAND it. That doesn't make their language, the way they talk to each other, any less valid. As the famous "Language Mavens" article argued, it is arbitrary power that makes people insist that "ain't" isn't grammatical or "proper English", not linguistic necessity.

Documenting the language and syntax of a people who have been here for centuries is definitional historical and linguistic work, for people who haven't had their eyes blinded by bias.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 09, 2010

WRONG. Thank goodness that you're not teaching my kids. My kids actually have standards and aspirations above and beyond mediocrity. Your approach explains why the American educational system has become a joke.

Your argument is actually far more indicative for why the American educational system is ostensibly a joke. Racist, classist pablum lets politicians blame schools or teachers or teacher unions, as if those things, isolated from everything else, could possibly explain the problem. The American educational system sucks because we instead spend our money on a world-conquest military. It's especially silly to blame Ebonics for the problem facing black students in particular. Where do you think Ebonics CAME from? Read your Steinberg.

In any respect, that's not what I said. And you probably won't teach your kids much, no offense. I don't mean that you are unintelligent or are incapable, but rather that peer groups are far more connected to the way people learn language. My argument is that a language form, a dialect, that is perfectly coherent to the people who speak it, and is different from another language, is clearly a fully-formed dialect. This is the simple DEFINITION of a dialect. You may have your own value judgments about whether or not that language is GOOD, but then I have to wonder: How is that different from saying that Yiddish isn't okay, or Arabic, or whatever else? Yes, people should learn a "common" language, a shared way of communicating. The Chinese have done this for millennia by having "dialects" that are really different languages but a shared written script. We can do this here by having a shared language, which is a median of all the regional dialects (Brooklyn, Boston, Southern, black, Californian, etc.), and then letting people speak to each other as they want.

This is how languages evolve. Slang, borrowing from other languages... "Dude" and "yo" are part of the common lexicon now. That's just what happens.

You just say "WRONG" with all caps then make unsupported arguments then talk about mediocrity? Unbelievable.

In any case, it is still incontrovertibly true that your initital statement that Ebonic was abandoned "because" of X or Y is an ASSERTION and an argument, not an obvious fact, because there is substantial disagreement.

Most importantly, all of this is basically moot to the point of this forum...

Any credibility that you had just flew out of the window. The correctness of "ain't" is arbitrary? Funny-I'll give you that much. However, I'm also going to have to ask you to prove your assertion. For what words is "ain't" a contraction?

None. Who cares? Exclamation points in African names emphasize a sound, not an exclamation point. "Ain't" or "aint", however you wish to spell it, is a perfectly legitimate word that is entirely sensible to those who say it. It's been established for about a century. Again, read the Language Mavens. The same thing goes for "I could care less". Pedants point out that it should be "I couldn't care less". But "I could care less" has sarcastic bite, and should be said with the emphasis on "could". (This is the type of argument you rely on? Nice).

I also find it hilarious that you think that disagreeing with you about something, whether it be Ebonics or something else, destroys credibility. It is really sad and abusive. I have been polite and you have been rude. THAT destroys credibility. Not honest disagreement.

(Not to mention that, in terms of citing ARGUMENT, you know, authorities and citations, etc., and quoting entire posts, I have been following the standard and you've been behaving like a forum troll).
AmonsEssays   
Dec 10, 2010

When a customer orders a professional paper in the English language from who he/she is led to believe is a qualified, native English-speaking writer with a degree from an American university, the issue is black and white. There is no gray area in formal academics. There is correct and there is incorrect-period. Your assertions about matters not directly tied to the essay industry have no place in-or relevance to-this forum.

Yes. Like your original argument. You had made a claim that Ebonics had been abandoned, then continued to discuss it when I brought up a difference of opinion. I mentioned that it was irrelevant last post. Of course you shouldn't write in black English for an assignment that asks for conventional American English; the same is true, as I noted to no reply, of someone who writes a British English paper for an American English client. This does not mean that British English is an illegitimate dialect, clearly. Same thing for Ebonics. In any respect, I think I've made my point clear.

We're not dealing with schoolyard slang. This is a forum about formal, professional, academic writing.

I agree. That was my point two posts ago.

Nice double post.

What's your business URL again? I'm sure that customers will just love your stance.

amon.katserv.net.

Oh, and for the sake of potential customers: I will never use the word "ain't" except in a relevant quotation.

Oh right, but that would be if this was relevant. Which it isn't. Apparently, you cannot construct an actual non-strawman argument to save your life.

VERY nice triple post, by the way.

LMAO! You showed up here and immediately began s-i*ting all over many different members in multiple threads. Wake up-you're the 20-post TROLL.

Unless you have something of value or substance to state about the professional essay industry, I'm not going to waste my time.

You mean, AFTER I made a correction to a point, you rose to what I guess you thought as bait and made terrible arguments, and I undermined the arguments?

I did not use ad hominem arguments until you did. I still am avoiding discussing your merits as a person or as a writer and only discussing the argument. I have "s-i*" over no one, merely discussing arguments. And, of course, it is the height of hilarity to hear you of all people mention attacking people. I wonder if you are at all aware of that wonderful hypocrisy...

Oh, and by the way, I said your behavior was LIKE a general forum troll. Mine isn't, unless you think merely having few posts alone qualifies you for trolling. I dare you to find a definition that supports this silly definition, without which your implicit argument is moot, and all that's left is abusive insults. But, again, this is something you'd know if you quoted entire posts. Honestly.

Nice quadruple post, by the way.

I seriously recommend you take some kind of tranquilizer or calming agent...
AmonsEssays   
Dec 10, 2010

Ebonics is an ignorant, illegitimate form of English that has absolutely NO place in either academia or the professional/corporate world. That is a fact.

What does "fact" mean? Since you're putting a value judgment upon it, by definition that's an OPINION, at least the "ignorant, illegitimate" part. It only has no place in the professional/corporate world because of broad consensus otherwise. And in the academic world, it DOES have a place: For some English assignments and stories, in some Afro-American studies classes, etc. Trust me, I've done assignments in and about Ebonics. Just like it's highly unlikely you'll be writing high-level corporate papers in an obscure tribal language only found in the Amazon, but that doesn't make it any less of a language...

In any respect, you are still incapable of replying to my ARGUMENT, which is that Ebonics is still clearly a FORM OF ENGLISH. You have conceded this. "Ignorant" and "illegitimate" are silly value judgments not made by actual linguists. As I've pointed out many times, Yiddish would have fallen under this rubric too, yet that would be offensive to say now. That's only because of time, legitimacy and the power of the communities in question. Your initial argument did NOT say what you're saying now, so you've essentially conceded my point. I think we can both agree we're done here.

If it is a "perfectly legitimate word," why would you only use it when/if quoting someone else? Why do you go out of your way to avoid using perfectly legitimate words?

Because your idea of "perfectly legitimate word" and a linguists' idea of "perfectly legitimate word" differs sharply, and the fact that you are unaware of this, apparently, seems to suggest to me that you have at least one major domain of academia that you are completely unaware of.

To a linguist (again, check out the Language Mavens, great introductory piece on this that makes this exact argument), "ain't" is a legitimate word because it is used with full clarity and understanding among an entire dialect. It is LINGUISTICALLY legitimate.

It is not SOCIALLY legitimate because of arbitrary reasons having almost entirely to do with keeping power and privilege among a tiny sect. You understand ain't. I understand it. So why can't it belong in an essay? Because some "people" think it's not "real English". That is a linguistic absurdity. There IS no "real English" or professional English or corporate English or whatever ASIDE FROM WHAT PEOPLE NATURALLY SPEAK. Limitations on the language are overwhelmingly designed to let the dominant group remain comfortable and control the racial, ethnic and class makeup of their little club.

So, in any essay, I wouldn't use the word "ain't" unless in quotes, ironically, or in a short story, because there is a consensus in academia that it's not a "real word". But that CONSENSUS is arbitrary.

This is Linguistics 1 here.

Why, by the way, do you feel the need to manually delete the username from quotes? Like your introduction to this forum, that's a little rude and controlling of you, isn't it?

My point as stated, that in fact many scholars DON'T agree with you so your point as originally stated deserved a CORRECTION, a caveat. HONEST people (and no, I'm not saying you're dishonest, you might have been unaware, done some of your homework but not all of it, or - most likely - didn't mention the people who disagreed with you for polemical and brevity reasons) would, after dropping the bomb you did, note that there is some disagreement, cite that disagreement, then rebut it and move on. That's what I did. You continue to not be able to wrap your head around it, so I increasingly wonder if you are AWARE that there is an entire linguistic school that argues in the way I am. I can send you articles, if you'd like...

I don't manually delete the username from quotes. I Ctrl-C and manually type in quote /quote in brackets. The forum should do its job in terms of citing for me in that respect. This is pretty standard forum etiquette. I take it you don't frequent other forums often? (No disrespect, it just would explain the double posting, this, etc.)

Your capacity to simultaneously think that everyone else's behavior is rude and controlling, while calling people morons and idiots and threatening their business, is startling. Miss, please find some medication. Or have someone read a cross-section of posts back to you, name removed, from some time ago and see if you can't see why what you just said is the utmost of hypocrisy.

Are you trying to make some sort of point? It's a forum, control freak.

Yes. And in most forums, double posting is being a jerk. Apparently the etiquette here is different, but hey, apparently you have no problem with people imposing their arbitrary etiquette upon a community, right?

It is generally best for forum clutter concerns to simply post what you're going to post, then if you have something else to say, add it later.

This has gotten nasty and deeply unprofessional. I mean no disrespect to you or to your business. I have a difference of opinion. If you can't explain your disagreement respectfully, like I have, I recommend you simply don't voice such differences of opinion at all.

Really? Why are you now making that distinction when your personal cash flow is on the line? In case you've forgotten your own quote, here it is:

You are an idiot. I am sorry that I have to resort to that, but there is nothing else I can say in response to your failure to get this distinction. Please educate yourself.

I seriously recommend that you f off. You're going to love my review of your half-ass site (backed by your ignorant assertions in this thread, of course).

Wonderful. I would respond about your preferred businesses, of course, but it's deeply unprofessional. I will simply reply to your review by noting that it is based wholly on your deeply unprofessional incapacity to distinguish differences from opinion from personal attack and let the record stand for itself. Any legitimate criticism, I'll have my site manager fix.

Oh, and by the way: I wouldn't bother trying to use my "ignorant assertions" in this thread as evidence AGAINST me. Since I've been explaining my points, using arguments and citations, while you've been beating up strawmen while behaving like a raving lunatic, I'm going to come off as professional. Another layer of irony.

How can anyone be so unstable? I disagree with you in a thread and you want to scuttle my business? I've certainly proven I'm not here for five posts to PM people. I've proven that I'm not ESL, am perfectly capable of expressing an argument, and have some degree of academic knowledge under my belt. Why in God's name would you want to direct traffic AWAY from me and, almost by definition, TOWARDS, say, essaywriters.net? You have no evidence that I have bad business practices, or rip off my customers, so your review would NOT be about Essay SCAMS but about your own personal vendetta. Please, seek professional help.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 10, 2010

I wonder what makes the original poster think it was substandard, presumably someone ordering custom essays is not entirely sure what a high-standard essay would look like, hence the purpose of ordering

Great, insulting customers. Customers have plenty of reasons to order an essay: See a different perspective on the topic, illness, family or work obligations, etc. I've known perfectly capable writers who just didn't have the time. The likelihood that this is sock puppetry is also pretty obvious, but I don't want to impugn people without evidence.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 10, 2010

As opposed to oldbies who decided to attack others?

I signed up to see what scams there were and to offer my criticisms. I have never mentioned anything specific about a PERSON, or even really a business, until you decided to respond to A DEBATE ABOUT EBONICS with personal attacks and threats on my business.

You're attacking someone who you have no reason to believe isn't honest, capable, judicious, etc. on a forum about BONA FIDE SCAMMERS because they disagreed with you. You attack others. No reasonable outside observer could conclude that your behavior is ANY better than mine, and indeed it is clearly quite a bit worse.

I'm not going to be threatened. I have behaved entirely according to the rules of this forum. You have decided to turn a personal vendetta into a business one. You are discrediting yourself, anyone who chooses to employ you, and this forum. I'm going to ask you one more time to back off, and I will avoid saying anything critical about you, ever, given that you are transparently incapable of taking any disagreement.

No wonder companies like EW.net are still in business: People like you are willing to waste their time turning feuds into attacks on honest businesses.

Oh, and by the way: The claim that I signed up "just" to attack others is transparently and definitionally wrong. Take this post I made.

No personal attacks. No insults to specific businesses. Nothing but positive support. I've looked over thousands of your posts and can't see anything remotely so helpful. Talk about the pot calling the picket fence black.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 10, 2010

Stop playing the victim card. You attacked me first. I invite anyone who actually cares to review the history of this thread.

You're kidding, right? You said something, confidently and arrogantly in a post FILLED with abuse, that was wrong. I said the ARGUMENT was problematic. Not you, not your behavior, NOTHING. This is NOT a personal attack. More importantly, you not only immediately escalated and at every step I did not further escalate, I also offered you a mutual truce. I apologize if you viewed this as an "attack": That was not my intention. But I still find it hypocritical, respectfully, for you to talk about personal attacks given this thread alone...

LMAO! I've done more to clean up this industry than ANYONE on the face of the planet. You don't have a clue. People who have been in the industry for more than 10 minutes, unlike you, greatly appreciate my efforts.

Then keep working on that. If you have time to persecute me, you have time to go after them too.

Not used to people being able to reply to your non sequiturs, ad hominems and abuse?

1. You parrot arguments that you have been beaten soundly in over and over again, without taking the time to reply to points.

2. You dishonestly take arguments out of context.

3. You are abusive.

4. You think ad hominem arguments are legitimate arguments.

5. You state opinions that cannot be supported by evidence you don't supply, while not acknowledging that there is disagreement in the fields you are citing.

6. You resurrect issues that you have dropped.

7. You double-post until you're called on it.

8. You are unhinged and show signs of severe psychiatric problems.

9. You are unprofessional.

10. You escalate personal conflicts into character assassination.

I can go on. You also have no evidence of me lying. If you did, you probably would have included it in your little character assassination blurb.

Dear GOD, is this how you treat your friends? Family? Children? Clients? This level of narcissism is already pretty bad on the Internet; I wonder if this is a release valve for your bad behavior or not. I thought that your attacks on people like EW Writer had to do with your honest belief that they were scammers and you just couldn't control your temper, justifiably so, against such people. But in this case? I've had to revise my beliefs.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 10, 2010

I'm done here. I am not going to reply to this thread any more barring you doing so. I invite you, once again, to do the same. We both have offered each other to back off and I am doing so.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 10, 2010

I repeat: I am not posting to this thread anymore barring replies from WritersBeware.

This coming form the nutjob who edits the username out of every quote . . . .

To reiterate:

I don't manually delete the username from quotes. I Ctrl-C and manually type in quote /quote in brackets. The forum should do its job in terms of citing for me in that respect. This is pretty standard forum etiquette. I take it you don't frequent other forums often? (No disrespect, it just would explain the double posting, this, etc.)

Also, how is that narcissistic? Isn't that the OPPOSITE of it? It's certainly orthogonal to narcissism...
AmonsEssays   
Dec 10, 2010

I think it's pretty shady to not have a set pay schedule. Either the writer is qualified, or he/she is not. This tells me that the company hires unqualified writers if the price is right. Such is the custom for essaywriters, anyway.

I floated my plan past a friend and fellow adjunct, and she flipped out a bit.

It strikes me that, even if this were not the case, discretion would be advised. But how would they know barring you including that on your resume? Simply apply.

I'd also say that, when you are within the university, it would probably be ethical not to write any papers.

(I hate to admit this, but my conscience is untroubled. I've been in and around universities enough to know that college in the US is a pay for degree system anyway.

That's my opinion as well. Further, you really have to ask how our educational system is designed pedagogically. Take the idea of a test. In the real world, you are never shoved into a room, not allowed to talk or use materials you have on hand, and forced to reply to questions off of the top of your head. Even at a job application, it is perfectly acceptable to refer to your resumé which is on the table. The vast majority of the time, the problems you're dealing with aren't about memorization but research, talking to others, etc.

Similarly, in the real world, if you have an assignment, a piece of writing, that you can't or won't handle, it is considered STUPID to try to slog through it yourself and produce a mediocre piece of work. You would delegate it. Yes, you'd acknowledge you delegated it, but no one would punish you for that delegation.

I think it's an empirical question whether students are better off getting an F, retaking a class, etc., or seeing a sample way to answer a prompt. In my experience, my clients get better over time and adopt some of the tricks I use in papers.

What are the odds that future employers might find out? I know I will have to report my income on my taxes, but I'm not planning to put it on my cv or anything.

It seems to me virtually nil, but I can't prove a negative. Has anyone else had a similar problem? I know plagiarism has cost people careers, but being the plagiarized?
AmonsEssays   
Dec 10, 2010

Except I didn't ask anyone else to change theirs. You brought it up, I explained what *I* was doing. I never impugned doing things differently. Were you of a helpful disposition, you might say, "Are you aware that the quoting system works thusly? It's a matter of etiquette here..." And I would work on adopting that as a habit.

To reiterate: The moment that there are no more posts from you here, I do not reply here, nor in any other way or thread, to you.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 10, 2010

Do you know how many companies she has exposed and, in the process, how many students and writers she's helped?

No. I had acknowledged her wonderful work. I do not want her to stop posting to this forum or even to this thread.

Diary WritingI'm saying I'm not going to argue with her anymore. I will reply to other people, on other threads. I'll stay in my corner, unilaterally, barring her saying something about me. She has suggested, to her credit, the same thing. Either I have a way of speaking that makes her angry or she is very sensitive: Either way, I am going to do what I can to avoid provoking WB. I think that is fair for everyone.

I had made the agreement clearer near the top of this page.

WRT: I'm not trying to endear myself to anyone. I am just using this forum as a way to protect me and my sub-contractors, and help people who are even newer to the field than I am with the best information I have. Nor has she "run rings" around me: I have responded to every one of her arguments with no difficulty. Every one of the arguments I disagree with, which, in general, I don't, as she's usually spot-on about the industry.

The disagreement came about when I didn't agree with something she said about Ebonics. I provided my disagreement, and explained why. It escalated for reasons I still do not understand, and I am trying to make sure it de-escalates now. But I'm not going to be treated apishly. I don't think that's an inappropriate stand. I will reply to attacks on my character but will not initiate any more comments, no matter how respectful I think they are.

She has not replied to this thread thus far, so I am only replying to you at the moment.

I hope that makes the issue clearer.

I have nothing to hide. I run a business I am proud of. I want her to continue exposing frauds, and will do what I can to help with that wonderful exercise. But I hope that it's clear that doing good work doesn't make bad work acceptable. Going after me over an honest disagreement over language would be deeply inappropriate, wouldn't it? I am making sure that doesn't happen, so that no honest person providing good work is harmed.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 11, 2010

No problem. I see now that the way you add the quote when you're doing it manually, like I prefer, is to say "=[X person in question]". Very cool. Some forums also add dates and times of the quoted text. I think that's definitely the best way of being honest.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 11, 2010

WSaban: It's a tiny bit suspicious to post twice just to be able to message someone. Especially for a two year old thread.

so how much could I expect a 20 page legal research paper to run me with a legit company/writer?

It varies. How MUCH research? I might charge $30 if it required extensive case law study! If it was some pretty minimal research, I might go as low as $10-15. Is that 20 double or single spaced pages, 12 point Roman font, etc.? I know that it's absurd to ask, but I've had people clarify that, yes, they meant single spaced, substantially into contract negotiation. Etc.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 11, 2010
Writing Careers / what about freelancercareers.com [40]

No disrespect, but that's silly. Yes, not everyone is objective anywhere. But if you HAVE the evidence, how can it be DISTORTED? The evidence would kept, untampered with, and any distortions could be dealt with. This seems to be special pleading...
AmonsEssays   
Dec 11, 2010
Writing Careers / what about freelancercareers.com [40]

Especially since he has a copy on his side in the first place, so that means he can easily repost it if it got photoshopped. That would instantly discredit this entire site. No one else here is afraid of posting long e-mail interactions, and I don't think there's evidence ANY have been tampered with.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 11, 2010
Writing Careers / what about freelancercareers.com [40]

And if they DO come here, while thinking this place is unremittingly hostile to them, wouldn't they have an interest in DISCREDITING this place? Post the material to a blog too. If it gets changed here, you have incontrovertible proof that the people here are dishonest. There are numerous ways of sharing evidence that aren't some kind of backroom PM.

Of course, it does seem this is another tendril of the EW.net machine, but hey. Was still a silly argument ;)
AmonsEssays   
Dec 12, 2010

Pokersoft: It's worth the try to send them a cursory list of flaws. If it's egregious spelling, then complain about egregious spelling. If they did not understand the prompt, then ask for a new writer. You have a week and nothing to lose. This also gives you a record of their incompetence for potential refunding.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 12, 2010
Writing Careers / Writing for Academic Knowledge [160]

Lord of Galloway: I think that we are aware of potential legal and academic risks. That having been said, barring a few jurisdictions like Massachusetts, to the best of my knowledge it is neither illegal to turn in a plagiarized paper nor to write a paper with the understanding that it will be plagiarizes.

Other than that, I agree 100%. If they don't like your work, they can fire you. I suppose pay docks and demotions are used by legit companies, but NEVER to the degree they do in this business. And it doesn't matter because you're a contractor: You did the agreed work, you get the agreed money. Period.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 12, 2010

An update: They just spammed EssayChat and... me. Yes, they sent spam to a COMPETITOR.

What I wonder as I check out sites like these is, "Where do they ACTUALLY get their writers?" They claim to be pure Ph. D writers, but the writing quality would be higher if that was the case and wouldn't have some of the obvious errors.

Here's a copy of their entire message to me.

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Semi-colon instead of a colon, capitalizing in the middle of a sentence for no good reason... it's not terrible at all, but it does have some weird errors.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 12, 2010
Essay Services / ukacademia.co.uk, help review [22]

Well, I don't see any other threads on this site about them. Their page doesn't look bad from a very cursory look. But definitely tell us how the customer service interaction goes. If it's written badly, that's a big red flag.

We can't offer any recommendations. ssaychat.com is for recommendations.
AmonsEssays   
Dec 12, 2010

I'm always getting spammed by thessay.co.uk.

Since "I write essays" is, to their spam bot, identical to "I need essays".

To be fair, it's not like all those men drugs are bad or fraudulent just because their online marketing is, shall we say, questionable. I just would like to know more about them. Again, the thing that piques my curiosity is their claim that they have Ph. D and master's writers in the fields in question. Somehow, I doubt that, but where do they get their writers?
AmonsEssays   
Dec 12, 2010
Writing Careers / Writing for Academic Knowledge [160]

So... every court case ever, then.

How can the legality not LOOK very strong? Writing papers is a form of speech. We are protected by the First Amendment in America barring specific legislation OTHERWISE. I wouldn't be surprised if that Massachusetts law is actually unconstitutional now. In any respect, you can't just sue or prosecute someone over a law that doesn't exist and hope to win. That's legislation through the courtroom and is pretty heavily frowned upon. The only reason the Boston U case even worked at ALL is because there was some claim that they had violated STATE LAW.

Reviewing the Wikipedia article, the case was even worse than I thought. This was a private action. NOT legal action, but a civil suit. This means that the DA didn't even want to TOUCH the idea of prosecuting, even when the law is clear! The plaintiff attorney would like to stop this sort of behavior but it seems transparently clear he knows that the law is NOT on his side. Finally, they also managed to get some traction because they were dealing with real research, which could have fraud implications. But that's NOT the same as writing someone's Hamlet paper for an undergraduate English class.