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Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 14, 2009 | #41
LOL. Hilarous.

You break the rules and you don't even care.
You correct others for breaking them, but hold yourself to a higher standard.
Yes, that makes you a hypocrite.

Your spins are pathetic. You call me a liar b/c you attempt to destroy the character of anyone who disagrees with you. You get caught in lies yourself and try to pretend they don't exist. Facts and reality don't matter to you.

Obviously, by "longest-standing" I mean the most contributions over a long period of time, which I went on to clarify but you conveniently failed to mention, of course.

You didn't clarify, you made that a separate argument. Nice try to spin. You got caught in another lie. You lied to try to make yourself look all important to this forum. Reading over some of your past posts, you've actually made the claim false claim in other posts as well. Just no one called you out on the lie. Fail.

Um, hello? The husband/fight thing was NOT with FreelanceWriter.

I didn't say it was. Try reading what I wrote instead of reading what you WANT to see.

YOU were defending me!

I already mentioned that in this thread. Try to keep up.

Give me a break. This shows how clueless you are on the subject. Since then, many of the existing members have jointly agreed that name-dropping and self-promotion by freelance writers is not in the best interests of this forum. It was a PUBLIC DISCUSSION. Feel free to do some searching.

Another lie and a spin by you.
And a pointleses lie at that.

I'm what, in the top 10, perhaps the top 5, of most posts and being around the longest on this forum... but according to you I'm clueless about the state of the forum. Whatever, you're dodging b/c you've been caught lying again and again and again.

Again, you fail to mention that I was attacked first. Spinning is fun, isn't it?

So every time you've insulted someone on this forum, it's b/c you were attacked first. Is that really the argument you want to make? When I show you insulting and attacking first, what are you going to do then?

Oh, and WB, in your listing of my comments, you forgot to answer this. I'm highlighting it so maybe you can remember this time:

You broke the rules then, like you are continuing to do now. Why doesn't that bother you? You point out all the time that people are breaking the rules but do so yourself with impunity: it's quintessential hypocrisy.

WritersBeware  
Apr 14, 2009 | #42
Lavinia, you are BORING. I have CRUSHED you, and I no longer find it entertaining. Come back when you think you can actually be a challenge for me. I actually prefer arguing with EW_writer. At least he actually has a gripe of SUBSTANCE. You're just a cry baby, a whiner. Grow up.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 14, 2009 | #43
Yes, default to the personal attacks when you have nothing of substance to say.

Way to keep consistent WB.
WritersBeware  
Apr 14, 2009 | #44
Yes, coming from the person who just called me a liar about 50 times.

Again, you're desperate and boring.

Lavinia's argument = "You're a meanie."

Whhaaaaaaaaah!

By the way, can I trouble you to post a numbered list of my "lies"? Let's put them all in one place so that everyone can see just how DESPERATE you are to make it seem that my supposed "lies" are anywhere near as intentionally devious as yours.

Tell me-are you still denying that you LIED first and tried to smear my character? I'd be happy to post the IRREFUTABLE PROOF for everyone again.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 14, 2009 | #45
First, learn how to count.
Second, you accused me first.
Third, learn how to count (just in case you missed it).
50 is not true. About 50 is not close to being true. So you are lying again, huh?

Thank you for the more personal insults. Every insult proves my point to be true.

Lavinia's argument = "You're a meanie."

Whhaaaaaaaaah!

Nope. You still don't get it huh? I'll spell it out for you again:
WritersBeware  
Apr 14, 2009 | #46
Tell me-are you still denying that you LIED first and tried to smear my character?

You claimed that I NEVER stated that my thread was in reference to Ukrainian and Pakistani sites. You LIED. Now, you're lying about the lie. There's a distinct REASON why you won't answer with a simple "Yes" or "No." You're screwed EITHER WAY, that's why, and you know it! Sucks for you.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 14, 2009 | #47
You claimed that I NEVER stated that my thread was in reference to Ukrainian and Pakistani sites.

Post the quote to prove this statement. You won't.

Why? B/c I never claimed this. I said that you didn't limit your argument to those foreign sites. The fact that you can't tell the difference speaks volumes about your reading comprehension. Since you didn't answer it the first time and want to pretend that I didn't answer you, I'll repost it for you here, so it's very convenient for you:

Get help. There have been great strides in the development of medications for whatever pervasive developmental disorder you have.

What is the proof of your disorder? Let me present my evidence: /forum/ot/discussion-rule-define-respectful-985/
stu4  21 | 856 ☆☆   Observer
Apr 14, 2009 | #48
I agree with Lavinia. WritersBeware has his own, long-term agenda here:

1. To slander and discredit the competition of his own website (check point #13 of the disclaimer to get idea).

2. Not to allow to mention any other website in a positive light, even if posted by a genuine customer or customer service person because by any chance his website (which - I don't know why - still has a strong market position) could lose a client.

3. To bully other legitimate posters into believing he always knows best (which in some aspect might be the case IF he didn't have a financial reason to post here, but that's obviously not the case).

In other words, WritersBeware appears to me like a dangarously-looking dog which is behind an invisible fence; new posters don't know he's behind the fence and may buy his stories or just back-off, but those who've been here long enough can easily recognize his bull*hit.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 14, 2009 | #49
I'd like to call attention to Stu4's join date: March 13, 2006. Note that Stu4 joined the forum before WB, making this claim a lie:

I am the longest-standing member.

WritersBeware  
Apr 14, 2009 | #50
I said that you didn't limit your argument to those foreign sites.

Nonsense. Read the freaking post. I specifically stated "UKRAINE and PAKISTAN both near the TOP and near the BOTTOM of the first post! This is just your little game of semantics to try to cloud your embarrassment. Either way, I completely blew out of the water your subsequent, ABSURD, FALSE claim that I left no wiggle consideration that "legit" sites could provide less than 300 words per page. Did I use the word, "all"? Nope. It's all in your head. You jumped the gun and overreacted. Plus, you have REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE that you should have PM'd me for clarification instead of name-dropping. What-you don't know how to use the simple, fast PM feature? (Seems pretty odd, considering how you recently made everyone very much aware of just how in-tune you are with this forum.) Or, did you feel that specifically naming a certain site as "legit" was the most responsible course of action? In fact, if I recall correctly, I believe that the words you used as a lead-in to you ADVERTISING the site were, "There's no need to be coy." Well, I certainly disagree. Being "coy" is completely in-line with the rules of this forum, and for which you recently attacked FreelanceWriter.

Every time you come after me, I will prove you wrong. I can do this over and over and over again. But, as I have stated multiple times, I am requesting that you stop this nonsense in order to spare other members and visitors the useless content.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Apr 14, 2009 | #51
I'd like to call attention to Stu4's join date: March 13, 2006. Note that Stu4 joined the forum before WB, making this claim a lie:

I am the longest-standing member.

Hmm.. actually I think this might be a slip-of-the-tongue (or keyboard as the case may be). Perhaps WB is the longest-standing member, she just went by a different name then. :D
WritersBeware  
Apr 14, 2009 | #52
Oh, boy. Lavinia, are you happy now? This is the company you now keep.

Firstly, I am a woman. Secondly, I neither own nor promote any site. Do you have even the slightest evidence to show that I own ANYTHING? No. You lose.

2. Not to allow to mention any other website in a positive light, even if posted by a genuine customer or customer service person because by any chance his website.

Lavinia, are you there? Are these false accusations acceptable to you? Are you going to stand by and let him trash me with false accusations, or are you going to defend me as I did for you the other day when someone accused you of working for "foreign scam sites"?

3. To bully other legitimate posters into believing he always knows best (which in some aspect might be the case IF he didn't have a financial reason to post here, but that's obviously not the case).

So, what you're suggesting is that because you falsely believe that I have some sort of financial stake in your competitor's site that the verifiably true and accurate investigations that I have posted are somehow relegated to a state of falsehood? Nice try. I invite you to quote ANY bit of "false" information that appears in ANY of my investigations.

Bottom line, Stewy, you're not worth my time or effort. Your sole purpose for signing up at this site was to defame me and draw attention away from my investigations. That is quite clear from your posting history. You've consistently attacked both me and your competitor from the beginning.

I hope everyone takes notice of exactly which hypocritical member is engaging in "rude," "insulting" behavior.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 14, 2009 | #53
More hypocrisy from WB. WB can accuse me of working for companies, of advertising for them, without evidence, of pushing my "favorite" company, but if someone does that to her... WATCH OUT OMGZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lavinia, are you there? Are these false accusations acceptable to you?

Sure I'm here. You called me a liar multiple times, accused me of promoting and advertising, posted an obnoxious picture, conceded that you're a hypocrite when it comes to the rules, and now you want my help?

And your defense was pathetic - you said you thought I didn't work for a fraud, leaving it open for folks to question that I might, when you full well know that I'm an American, legit writer from the almost 2 years I've been a poster on this board.

I hope everyone takes notice of exactly which hypocritical member is engaging in "rude," "insulting" behavior.

Hey, if it's OK for you to be rude and insulting toward other posters, it must be OK for everyone else too.

But don't worry, I won't cross some lines, unlike you. For example, I won't insult your mom, post pictures that I claim are you, threaten to have you beat up, equate you to an animal... I know those are all tricks you like to do, but I won't be stooping to your level.

PS- Wow, you removed the picture of the baby crying WB. Maybe there is hope for you yet. Or maybe you are starting to see that your abusive behavior can't be overlooked forever by the mod.
WritersBeware  
Apr 14, 2009 | #54
Lavinia, are you OK? Take a breather.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 14, 2009 | #55
Wb, are you OK? Take your meds.
stu4  21 | 856 ☆☆   Observer
Apr 14, 2009 | #56
Do you have even the slightest evidence to show that I own ANYTHING?

What if I have the evidence? If I post the evidence here, will you promise to leave and never come back again to post your misleading and bullying messages here?
WritersBeware  
Apr 14, 2009 | #57
Take your meds.

The insults continue . . . . Normally, I wouldn't care, but the hypocrisy is mind-boggling.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 14, 2009 | #58
No doubt "take a breather" was posted out of the kindness of your heart.
WritersBeware  
Apr 14, 2009 | #59
"Take a breather" means "slow down," "rest," or "take a break." Now you're equating my "take a breather" suggestion to your "take your meds" insult. This is a perfect example of how you blow things completely out of proportion just to continue a fight. Sorry, but I won't bite.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 14, 2009 | #60
I know what it means. I also know that you wrote the sentence as a condescending command, written with all your authority as the not quite "longest-standing" member of the forum.
WritersBeware  
Apr 14, 2009 | #61
You can keep engaging in this childishness for as long as you like. In the meantime, I'll continue to work on my latest investigation that will contribute actual value to the forum, something for which you have applauded me in the past.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 14, 2009 | #62
Thanks for your permission!

In the meantime, I'll continue to work on my latest investigation.

Yes, if only you were capable of contributing positive information without the requisite arrogance, accusations, vulgarity and insults. If you were able to do that, I'd keep applauding.
WritersBeware  
Apr 14, 2009 | #63
Following is a list of helpful threads that I started. Some went smoothly. In the threads in which there were "unfriendly complications," as far as I can tell, in each and every one of them, I did not attack anyone first. I posted the information, and would have left it at that. Then, as happens consistently, I got insulted or falsely accused. Of course, anger often gets the better of me in those situations, and I tend to retaliate in an unprofessional manner.

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Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 15, 2009 | #64
What look to be 22 threads of merit (without clicking on every one, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt).

Yet, eclipsed by the torrent of insults only partially captured here: essayscam/forum/ot/discussion-rule-please-define-respectful-985/.

Any of those those threads could exist without you going all out and attacking anyone who suggests that you might not be 100% right. Thank you for proving my point. You could contribute positively without the excessive insults if you chose to do so.

My guess is that you simply don't care. Which is why the forum gets posts like these:

REALLY SAD! esp. the racist comments...

Both posts are by Gilda, a member who made 2 posts in bewilderment at the status of this forum, both times in direct response to the petty bickering involving WB and her most recent target of choice.

And WB's response:

Feel free to leave if you do not appreciate the help that I and others have posted in this forum.

What a great response from WB, the forum ambassador.

And it's not just Gilda who's made this comment:

I could post a lot more but that's enough for now. New readers, visiting the forum for helpful information, turned off by WB's abrasive and rude responses that could have easily been handled in a less obnoxious manner. At least these examples took the time to post her dismay, my guess is that most new members simply leave the forum in disgust without bothering to post. Why should they bother, when they'll just get cursed at and insulted by WB.

Stop using this forum as the toilet for your verbal diarrhea.

Since CONTEXT will no doubt be the defense, here are the links for the above comments so people can read the threads:

https://essayscam.org/forum/gt/percentage-sites-genuine-857/2/

https://essayscam.org/forum/es/experiences-writers-finally-found-919/
WritersBeware  
Apr 15, 2009 | #65
Who's causing all the problems now? YOU.

Lavinia, I'm seriously concerned about you. Honestly, your incessant witch-hunt isn't healthy.

Exwriter and I were able to approach a state of reason. It's quite obvious to everyone that you are not concerned with anything except your personal grudge, as completely to admit any of your own mistakes. You also intentionally fail to mention that I APOLOGIZED to you at great lengths a while back for what you felt was an insult.

You're wasting your time in relentlessly attacking me. I'm not going anywhere. I will continue to HELP educate certainly hundreds (if not thousands) of people every month, assuring that many of them avoid getting ripped off. And if you don't believe those numbers, ask the mod about the traffic to this site. Or, for a quick reference, check the site's Alexa EssayScam page.

Take care.

as completely

should be "refusing"
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 15, 2009 | #66
Who's causing all the problems now? YOU.

So I'm causing problems by pointing out that you have driven readers away from this forum? No one believes that except.... well, I don't think even you do.

Look, this issue isn't new, this has been going on for two years now. This is also not the first time that I, and others, have pointed out that you are disrespectful (to put it lightly).

I'm not the cause of the problems, YOU are.

You also intentionally fail to mention that I APOLOGIZED to you at great lengths a while back for what you felt was an insult.

You apologized for accusing me for "ADVERTISING" (as you capitalized it) on this thread? Really? I didn't see it, I must have missed it when looking at the screaming baby picture that you tried to claim was me. Please quote your apology so I can see it, thanks.

So now all of the traffic visiting this site is because of you? Right...

You've caused readers to leave the forum, that is a FACT. I posted proof that you have specifically driven readers away because of your abusive verbal behavior.
paula_jineao  1 | 9  
Apr 15, 2009 | #67
WB, don't you ever get bored of proving yourself to be a pathetic moron every single day of your life?

Everyone sees through you, and I'd bet that 99% of people who come to this site are fully aware of how blitheringly un self-aware you are. Take a step back, if you can.
WritersBeware  
Apr 15, 2009 | #68
I have a very long attention span.

I have already dealt with you and your vulgarities in the past, so I will not do so again.

I do feel compelled to mention that your post is in clear violation of "Rule #5."

You apologized for accusing me for "ADVERTISING" (as you capitalized it) on this thread?

I stepped up and apologized, at great length, for the heated misunderstandings that I felt took place in the "words per page" thread. I did that a while ago, which is why I find it particularly confusing/disturbing that you keep coming after me. You never saw it? I'm not sure about the thread in which I posted it. I'm searching now . . . .
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 15, 2009 | #69
I stepped up and apologized, at great length, for the heated misunderstandings that I felt took place in the "words per page" thread.

This should not be particularly confusing or disturbing for you. You want to keep bringing up that old thread like it's the cause for my posts. It is not. This is not personal to me.

You are consistently breaking the rules of this forum, while lecturing people on the need to follow the rules. After two years of watching you rabidly attack anyone who does not agree with you, driving off new people in the process, accusing people without evidence, and watching folks politely suggest that you change your posting style, to no avail, I decided that a more aggressive and open rhetorical strategy was necessary.

The majority of your posts do not benefit this forum. You drive people away in disgust with your foul, over the top language.

Stop using this forum to degrade, lecture, correct, scold, belittle and curse others. There is no definition of respect that justifies your behavior.

I do feel compelled to mention that your post is in clear violation of "Rule #5."

Now THAT is funny.
WritersBeware  
Apr 15, 2009 | #70
Now THAT is funny.

It should be.

This is not personal to me.

Proof that Lavinia has a relentless, personal vendetta that did not cease even after I posted this:

I think that some ill-advised wording and misunderstandings have gotten way out-of-hand.

https://essayscam.org/forum/gt/words-page-customers-beware-747/#msg10270

I decided that a more aggressive and open rhetorical strategy was necessary.

Well, that's your choice-more power to you.

The majority of your posts do not benefit this forum.

Utter nonsense. I suppose that you have contributed MORE valuable content to this forum? How much personal time and money have YOU spent in conducting in-person investigations all across the country? How many physical addresses have YOU visited? How many videos have YOU shot? I have done these things DOZENS of times. When I have uncovered fraud, I have posted the results for consumers' benefit, and I received many, many thanks, both publicly and via PM. (When I have found no fraudulent practices by a given company, I have posted nothing because I respect that positive promotion/advertising of any kind is not allowed.) How many people have YOU prevented from being ripped off? Surely, more than me, right?

PS:
I believe that the following is your very first post: https://essayscam.org/forum/wc/experience-authorsmania-291/

Guess who kindly responded to quickly answer your question, with absolutely no ill will? That's right, me.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 15, 2009 | #71
You know what, Lavinia, this is ridiculous, all around.

So because you backed down in a disagreement with me once, you think I should just stand by and let you attack, insult, belittle and bully others? Sorry, I don't work that way. You being nice to me doesn't make it ok for you to be rude and disrespectful toward others.

But by posting the apology, you just proved to anyone reading that I don't have a reason to have a personal grudge against you. Your last argument just crumbled.
WritersBeware  
Apr 15, 2009 | #72
But by posting the apology, you just proved to anyone reading that I don't have a reason to have a personal grudge against you.

Um, I think that it clearly proves that exact opposite.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 15, 2009 | #73
I suppose that you have contributed MORE valuable content to this forum?

Never said that. Stop twisting what I wrote.
Your insults outnumber your helpful posts.

How much personal time and money have YOU spent in conducting in-person investigations all across the country?

Being helpful doesn't justify your rampant disrespect. Why don't you get it?

I believe that the following is your very first post:

Nope, not my first post. And it's beside the point, this isn't about you and me, no matter how much you want to make it so. Being nice to one person occasionally doesn't mean you can brazenly attack others.

Um, I think that it clearly proves that exact opposite.

So, I got you to apologize and admit wrong, but my personal vendetta still remains? That's ridiculous. Again, you are so desperate to divert attention from your own bad behavior that you are grasping at the flimsiest of straws.

My honest response:

You being nice to me doesn't make it ok for you to be rude and disrespectful toward others.

Almost two years of you using this forum as your personal toilet is quite enough, thanks.
dearbats  1 | 124  
Apr 15, 2009 | #74
GOD! Whats with the two of you?

Lav, I've respected you for your intelligence and sensitivity and seriously think that you really don't need to engage in this argument to prove your point.

I for one, am aware that you wish people well and are intrinsically nice.....Its disturbing to see you in this mode.....
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 16, 2009 | #75
Fair enough Dearbats, enough is enough.
WritersBeware  
Apr 16, 2009 | #76
So, I got you to apologize and admit wrong, but my personal vendetta still remains?

Unlike you, I stepped up to the plate and took one for the team in order to end a senseless fight that was detracting from the mission of the forum. At no time did I state that I was "wrong." I apologized for what you misinterpreted as an insult. Believe me, if I had meant what I typed to be an insult, I would have stated such quite bluntly. What-after all of your posts concerning my "insult expertise," now you want people to believe that I'm incapable of an intentional insult? You can't have it both ways.

GOD! Whats with the two of you?

I've asked her to end the senseless attacks and fighting about 5 times. I was done LONG ago. As she's acknowledged, I apologized LONG ago, and she spits in my face, still hurling insult after unanswered insult throughout the latter of this thread. So, it seems that I can't win no matter what I do.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Apr 16, 2009 | #77
Lav, I've respected you for your intelligence and sensitivity and seriously think that you really don't need to engage in this argument to prove your point.

Hey, I started that nickname. :p
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Apr 16, 2009 | #78
Well Dearbats, WB won't stop lying about me. What do you think I should do? Should I just remain silent and let her keep on lying? Do you think it's clear to readers that she is just a bully or do I need to respond to every inaccuracy in her latest post to set the record straight?

What do you think about the posts from new members who left b/c of WB's abusive language? As a relatively new member to the forum yourself, have you had any run-ins with our forum ambassador that you would like to share? I would appreciate your advice and input on the matter.

You know, it's funny, but as I looked back at my very first post on this forum, the responses from WB included insults and cursing. I thought it odd back then but I guess it was just par for the course.

Hey, I started that nickname.

I like the nickname!
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Apr 16, 2009 | #79
I like the nickname!

Great! ^_^
dearbats  1 | 124  
Apr 16, 2009 | #80
Hey, I started that nickname. :p

You certainly did, and it suits her fine, sounds good too!!

What do you think I should do?

Do what you are Best at.....continue helping people in your very own style, nice and sensitive.

Should I just remain silent and let her keep on lying?

Well, you have had your say......Besides, I firmly believe that in some cases, Silence does speak a thousand words.........

I sometimes feel that she gets too personal and too involved in everything and clearly lacks sensitivity. Most of the times she is cynical and bitter which is what makes her so undesirable to many here.

Personally, I try and avoid getting into arguments but sometimes she gets judgemental....Like when she speaks of India and ESL writers from India so poorly, its truly terrible....




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