Basically yes, 10 to 20 pages is good. An average below 10 and you probably won't make a living. More than 20 and you may find life not worth living!

But you'll do better to think in terms of dollars and what price per page you can average. If you get some private clients you can get the standard of living you need with fewer pages. Or you can go all out and earn more. I happen to know for a fact that both Professor Verb and Freelance Writer drive late-model Chevy Tahoe's with 24-inch rims, custom fade paint, and supercharger kits.

I'm not as experienced as FreelanceWriter, not by a longshot, but I'll give you my thoughts.

1. Probably. I had to learn or re-learn citation styles and the like, and pick up a few techniques to fluff out the paragraphs the way an academic would -- starting out vague and working into something more specific over the course of several sentences. There is definitely a degree of natural ability involved. That's not to say that speed can't be increased, though.

2. If you try to stick with one or two areas, you won't be able to make a living. Anyone who is doing a large volume of this work is taking on projects from numerous fields. None of it is all that hard at undergraduate level, though I have gotten in over my head on some things, such as accounting papers. As FW said, you live and learn.

3. A lot of the magic is right here.

4. If you're good at this, the papers will just naturally come out at A level. Sometimes you may have to dumb it down at the customer's request. This takes longer than writing it the normal way.

The testimonials from Jane, Peter N., and Mary are particularly convincing. I especially like Mary's comment: "Well-done, nothing seems impossible for you. You are #1 in this industry so far. I would advise everyone to take advantage of this service."

And by the way, is that "Peter N." the Peter N. that I'm thinking of? I guess anyone can get "hard up" for an essay ...

Yes.

That's always helpful, five months after the fact.

This is the fakest thread I have ever seen. It sounds like some kind of radio ad for a carpet discounter or something.

Yo mama.

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I would agree that in certain respects, they do ...

I freelance for several essay companies, and they do give me 401ks with matching. They also give me health insurance. That's nice, but I miss the old days when they provided traditional pension plans.

I think FW is a hard-boiled New Yorker. They get to be that way.

But seriously, he's a nice guy. If you've ever had about eight hours of work to do, but it's all due two hours from now, you'd understand.

Here's the problem. Some people assume that if the customer is ESL, then an ESL writer is appropriate, since the writing level need not be, and probably should not be, native-like. The problem is, many ESL students not only cannot write the papers being asked of them, but also have no clue what is being asked of them in the first place. They don't understand the requirements, they don't understand the sources they need to read, they don't understand any of the conventions of Western academia. And from what I've seen, most of the ESL writers involved in this business are no better! These students are looking for a model paper that can get them on the right track, not a shot in the dark from someone sitting in another country who's just as clueless as they are.

How much for a WriteAtHand job?

As for private writers, I don't think anyone who's qualified is going to touch a dissertation of that length for less than $1,000, and probably more like $1,300 to $1,500. In fact, I'd say that anyone doing it for significantly less would have to be ESL, a hack, or both.

Decent companies will charge at least that much. Again, some firms will do it for less, but they'll be full of ESLs and/or hacks.

These are called "thugs." You got what is called "punked." You now have what is called "no recourse whatsoever." You'll choose more wisely next time you need to transact some business. It's part of life's journey.

And here I had been growing my hair out and buying more nose jewelry.

To me, all of the wonderful people at essayscam are excellent African writers. Even those who are not African. Even those who are not writers. That includes you, Bubba. And you too, W2B. You are all excellent. Excellent African writers.

Even if you're not, you still are. In my heart, at least. Even in the case that you guys are white, I just imagine you as being South Africans of British or Dutch ancestry. That includes you, Professor Verb!

Peace!

The suggested prices and earnings sound too low.

As a rule, I like that site. But the advice on prices is pretty bad.

queen sheba
OK, I'll bite. What is the argument? I'm having trouble identifying it.

What the heck is this? Some writers are good and some are not? Next you'll be telling me that sometimes it's sunny out and other times, cloudy. Any other news flashes?

Among the native-English-speaking writers I know, none are hurting for work. That simple.

Saturated with frauds and hacks. Hardly swimming in quality producers, though.

"Quiality"? Are you serious?

This is what's commonly referred to as a VERB SMACKDOWN. Fools better recognize.

Interesting list. Is spelling ability a factor at all?

My issue was more with the way Don used it, as if they're competing sets of laws and the federal copyright law beats the state laws on academic works. First of all, the statement is incorrect on its face. In any given legal area, state law can be stricter than federal law, and in those cases state law "trumps" federal law. In this particular case, however, they are simply two separate bodies of law. In a casual sense, it's not inaccurate to say the state academic laws "trump" the copyright laws in the sense that the state laws are the ones you need to follow and the copyright laws are fairly irrelevant. But the statement "No state law trumps federal law, ever" is hogwash.

"Trump" is probably not the right word. The copyright laws are just completely unrelated. The academic-works laws apply independently of who owns the copyright. You can own, or buy, or sell the copyright to any number of things, such as plans for a bomb, pr0nography, a libelous article, and probably even a template that looks like a dollar bill. The copyright doesn't make any of those items any more or less legal.

Well Don is a doofus who needs to learn to type "essay mill" into Wikipedia. But I'm wondering if there is any known enforcement/prosecution/litigation under the statutes. Again, I'm aware of BU but am not talking about that.

Does anyone know of these statutes being enforced/prosecuted, now or ever? I know about BU but I am talking about all these specific state laws.

In states with no specific laws, could more general statutes be applied?

In a literal sense, I think Don is right and that it is a two-parter, with the answers given in turn. I did not exactly take it to mean that school information is needed in order to process payment.

However, the Q&A does conflate the two issues. I can definitely see how students, many of whom are ESL and don't read as well as I do, would get the impression that if they don't put the name of their school, they won't be able to place an order. The absolute most generous explanation I can think of is that the writer of the Q&A was artless. Otherwise, I'd strongly suspect disingenuousness.

As to knowing the school and course: To me as a writer, it's often helpful to know the type of school, because expectations can be so different at upper tier vs. community college vs. online proprietary. In fact, that's all you need to ask: "What type of school are you attending?" perhaps followed by "What type of class are you taking?" The name of the school is irrelevant.

This information you're collecting about the school and the course, are you passing it along to the writer? Because otherwise, I have a hard time seeing how it would benefit the paper.

Are you saying that there are laws, or that there are not laws?

Goon, troll ...

This field is not bringing me nearly the respect and professional accolades that I expected.

Never you mind what we goons do. I was talking about what other people should do!

I don't see anything stupid about expecting writers to do their work for a reasonable price, according to the American tradition of an honest day's work for an honest dollar. What is ridiculous is the number of people that want these sky-high rates for writing papers.

Looks like we've got a greedy Gus on our hands. It's one of the seven deadly sins, you know.

It is all of this, and so much more.

Why are you so greedy? Payment of $3 per page should be perfectly adequate. I mean, 250 words is not even a full page for most companies and writers. Anyway, company owners have bills to pay, too. Writing example papers is not brain surgery. You should be content with $3. If you do a 10-page paper, you could have $30, which could buy a pretty nice lunch for two at Chipotle.

Are there any legitimate affiliate programs?

I'm sure there are, but enforcement is always the issue when you're in one country and the company is in another.

You cannot shut it down. This forum comes up high in Google searches for essay-related topics, so you just post here about the company's failings, and anyone searching for it by name will see your negative feedback.

Sure you're qualified?