Yes...your point definitely speaks in favor of companies..."you MIGHT get a good writer if you press hard enough"

Major, I take one or two assignments a month at this point max. I've moved into another far more lucrative niche that has nothing to do with academic writing. Your veiled threat at banning me again for hinting at "exposing" you is simply more evidence of your paranoia and your desperation.

How is it trolling to suggest you come clean about your identity and associations? People tell other people to do that almost daily on this site, often with far more vitriolic and nonsensical language. The only reason you don't like it now is because it might "hurt" your "business" (of which there is certainly very little to begin with these days).

By the way, what TOS did I ever violate? We never did clear that up.

In sum: if I get banned now, it will only serve as evidence that you are, indeed, in cahoots with the operators of this site. Lord knows I've insulted others more frequently and with greater fervor without being banned.

Considering I haven't worked for $20/page in over a year, yes, Major, I do imagine clients will hire me for more than that. The absolute minimum I currently charge is $40/page, and I definitely lose some customers over it. The ones I keep can afford the quality I provide, plain and simple. But thanks for letting me know how stupid I am for understanding how markets work and using it to my advantage....


Nope. Just because you underpay your writers doesn't mean all good writers are willing to settle for subsistence wages.

There is no more protection using a company than there is using a freelancer. We've been over this in another thread.


Meaning, YOUR company won't pay writers this much, or you've actually discussed the issue with other company owners recently?

Really...you guys changes the "about us" to acknowledge that this site is owned by a for-profit essay providing service. Can't you just come clean and acknowledge that you are a part of that company?

Everyone should be concerned.

Sure, but it's no easier to tell a legitimate company from a scam company as a legitimate freelancer from a scammer. Harder, actually, I would say.


I think we both know this is not always the case, even with legitimate companies.

How are there more risks involved using a writer than a company? The payment methods are the same, the likelihood of being lied to is the same, the likelihood of receiving a bad/good paper is the same (sort of...)

The only real difference I see is that companies have more resources to give customers the run-around: "sorry you didn't like your paper; we can get another writer if you can wait a week," "the person that handles complaints isn't available, but I will forward your message," "that writer is no longer with us," etc, etc. An individual writer can still scam people, but they have a lot less bull they can run through before the customer figures out they're being "handled."

One order of how much work? One order can be two pages, ten pages, twenty pages....

You should expect to be paying around $35 for a single page (approx. 275 words) from a decent writer. Can I ask how much work you ordered from Joy Stokes?

What's so hard about navigating the forum?

If you're working anything close to full-time hours in this business and only making $20k/year, you're doing something wrong.

No problem. You should be able to find plenty of information here in previous threads about almost any company you're considering.

You're welcome.

I'd find a new line of work.


Yes, sort of. The math is correct. Whether or not the $4k more you made is solely the result of the $1k you spent in advertising is a much more complicated question.


No real way of knowing. If marketing worked based purely on math, the field would be very, very different.

I had truly never heard the word "educationalist" before. I want to say it's unnecessary, but I really can't think of a good single-word replacement...how quaint.

Is this where we're all supposed to start clamoring for the order?

There are trustworthy writers, but there's always a bit of risk involved. I definitely wouldn't order a 50-page assignment from a writer/company you've never worked with before (and as a writer, I wouldn't take a 50-page assignment from a customer I've never worked with before, either). Start smaller, find someone who gives you the work you want at the price you want to pay, and move up to the big one.

It amazes me how people find-and then actually consider using-these small, two-bit companies.

The big operators--some scams, some not--own hundreds of sites, often with very similar names, as a means of increasing sales volume.

Most of the websites you can find through google these days are scams.

No payment processors that I know of offer decent protections for intangible goods--there's risk on both sides.

Really, each post has a date and time stamp. This thread hasn't seen any action in over a year.

You're posting in a thread that's been dead for three years. If you want to contact someone for help directly, try looking at essaychat or PM one of the established writers here.

9 times out of 10 customers send assignment descriptions straight from their professors, identifying schools and even specific courses. Unfortunately, the customer base in this industry doesn't tend to be the world's best and brightest, though of course there are many exceptions.

So...you started a chargeback, right? But be careful because it may not be worth it.

Have you contacted PayPal and requested a chargeback?

You're selling Select but hoping for Choice prices.

Bad writers get scammed and whine about it. Good writers rarely get scammed, and move on to better clients when they do.

To be fair, I do like burgers a great deal. Especially bacon cheeseburgers. I'm a very lapsed Jew.

I worked very hard for my degree in Theater Doing Chargeback, I'll have you know.

unfortunately, those tend to be mutually exclusive in this industry.

FreelanceWriter is outstanding, period. If he doesn't think he can do an outstanding job on your project, he won't take your project, and if he takes your project it will be outstanding.

What about his money? What are you trying to ask here, Mr. Smith?

Paying via PayPal doesn't offer real protection, either. You need to know who you're working with.

*Thanks, teacher

You should start a chargeback with your credit card company. And this is an important lesson to everyone a)not to work with such long deadlines, and b)ALWAYS give yourself extra time between the deadline for the writer to deliver to you and your deadline to turn the assignment in, in case something goes wrong.

You'd better catch it, or you're just going to go hungry again. $40 per page is my standard price and you'll be fortunate to find a better writer.

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Stop working for rates you don't like.


Really? Who exactly is "forcing you" to do anything?


Start by offering a better product, or tailoring your services to people looking for an ESL writer. Then advertise.

You aren't going to get top quality at that price, period. That's about the minimum price you'll pay if you hire one of the best native English writers directly, and if you're hoping to get a top writer through a company you can probably double that.

I no longer work for less than $40/pg, personally. I'd rather have less work that I can devote more time to than a high volume of work that pays half the rate.

Someone at The Paper Store needs to be into SEO if you want to stay competitive, and I'm sort of turn between some lingering resentments and my dislike for your subterfuge on the one hand, and my desire to be an insufferable know-it-all on the other, but suffice it to say that the penalty will not be lifted--Google made a major change to their search algorithm this summer and the old way of doing things ain't going to work anymore.

Meo, glad to see you're still a voice around here, but you're giving away the milk for free.

Given our history and your position in the industry I'm going to assume you don't want an actual answer from me, but if I'm wrong please let me know and I'll explain the false premise that makes your question unanswerable.