A. "Jewish" is a religion and not a language; and religion is totally irrelevant to the discussion, except to racists and bigots.

B. Unlike you, I know my limitations and only offer my services in languages I know fluently enough to write without obvious mistakes in every sentence I write.

C. I believe what you're trying to say is "You are an imbecile in today's global work force." You should worry less about me and more about making sure that you can actually communicate clearly in any language in which you offer to write professionally.

No problem, since you asked:


This isn't a sentence or a question that makes sense.

.. criteria to hire the new writer. The procedure of determining if writer is competent can be a 2-pages essay in English in general topic.[/b] Thus, how can they appreciate writer's professional skills? ..However, it is not my aim for this message to tell about the companies. If you are interested in the information about their working and deception, feel free to contact me. I will tell you many interesting things, I guess.

Anyway, the aim of this message was to explain that some of the writers ...

I am one of such writers that really care for the client and I have lots of positive feedbacks. Nowadays, person with high level of IQ and intelligence can use Internet to find the proper information. In addition, we still have perfect theoretical education. Thus, I think that Ukrainian writer who is really intelligent is not a bad choice =)

Of course, sometimes the quality of our works can fail to be the best. One third or even one fifth from the price you pay for. It is usually about 4-8 dollars per page. English-speaking writers simply don't work for such low price because it is not money at all in their countries.

So, if I got some higher compensation I would provide better quality and if I could contact with the customer directly, not via manager..... I would care for the quality of work and would be praised by higher compensation.

Therefore, I have an idea of creating a web-site where you would be able to work with several highly-competent writers directly.

Everything I bolded is either (1) the wrong choice (or use of a) word instead of the right word (like "appreciate" instead of "judge" or "evaluate") that only an ESL writer would think were synonyms, (2) missing articles, unnecessary articles, and wrong prepositions that are always obvious indications of ESL writing, (3) wrong tense, (4) singular instead of plural and vice-versa, (5) just extremely awkward idiomatic phrasing that's also an obvious sign of ESL writing, or (6) plain old amateurish mistakes that have nothing to do with being ESL like not knowing it's website and not "web-site."

As is the case with most ESL writers who post here thinking that they're demonstrating how well they write in English, what you've succeeded in demonstrating is that you speak English fairly well but your English isn't even close to good enough to offering your writing services to anybody who is not also ESL. Aside from the obvious language problems, you don't write very well, at least not any better than the average high school student, when it comes to things like idea organization and argument.

This is not meant as an insult, but you did ask for specifics about why someone might consider your writing to be much worse than you seem to think it is.

That can happen if it's a hard project that's already at the fringes of the writer's confidence range, but it's hard to understand why the writer just stopped communicating like that...unless it's because he got hit by a bus or something. It would be a different situation if you'd already paid for 20 pages, but the writer's not obligated to continue the project any more than you considered yourself obligated to use him for the rest of it at the time you agreed on what you've described as a 5-page trial assignment from your perspective.


As far as the other writer is concerned, it can take longer to go through someone else's work and blend your ideas together, especially if it's a topic you already have your own thoughts about handling.

It's not really about writing as much as it's about things (like idiomatic expressions) that are picked up by ear more than they are learned formally. For example, even if you ignore all the spelling and vocabulary differences (and accents) between Americans and Brits, we still speak very differently in ways that are immediately and obviously recognizable to one another. The differences between the way Indian and Asian and African ESLs speak (and express themselves in written) English and the way those of us who are Americans speak and express ourselves in writing are very obvious to any American. In fact, some of the differences are so characteristic that it's sometimes possible to distinguish some ESLs from others and to identify where an ESL learned English. That's partly because certain idioms are commonly taught in other countries that are "correct" technically, but that just don't sound the way Americans speak because of how they're used. One example would be the way many Koreans speaking English overuse the phrase "oh, really?" There may not necessarily even be anything grammatically "wrong" with good ESL writing that still sounds totally different from the way we use English. There are good and bad ESL writers and good and bad EFL writers; but even the writing of many very good ESL writers still sounds like it was written by someone who is not American to any American reader, and especially to any American professor, (since you asked).

Definitely. I've explained several times that I learned English grammar and writing from my ESL father, Uncle, and high school English teacher. The problem that is so evident in posts from many ESL writers on this forum is that most of them have absolutely no clue that they're not anywhere near the EFL level of English fluency and they think that they have no obligation to divulge that they're ESL to potential customers because they think it "shouldn't matter" to them.

I didn't say that you misrepresented my words. I suggested that quoting and paraphrasing aren't the same thing and that you should use quotes only when you're actually quoting someone verbatim and not when you're just paraphrasing what someone else said.

Yes, I've responded repeatedly to the one barely-English-speaking idiot here who continually attacks me without any provocation and questions my research skills that he's never seen anything I've ever written besides my forum posts, but that really doesn't sound like a sentence I'd have written. Please don't paraphrase what I've written in your own words and then represent it as a verbatim quote attributed to me. No offense intended, but no writer would appreciate that, even if he agrees with the point you're trying to make. Thank you.

The other writer gets whatever I was paid per page. He's responsible (to me) for any revisions if the revision request is justified. That means I've asked the other writer to fix anything for which I'd have been responsible to fix for the client. Revisions that are my fault because I (or we) missed something in the original order specs are always free. Revisions based on after-the-fact specifications or additional details that were never in the original specs (or on subjective editorial criticism) are not free. To anticipate your next question: Yes, I'd refund the customer for that section if the other writer ever refused to do a justified rewrite for me; and no, it's never happened because the 2 or 3 other good writers I know are trustworthy and would never leave me stuck in the middle like that by refusing to fix their mistakes and they've also been doing this long enough to know when a revision request is justified.

Not in the sense that you're probably imagining, but I've had one of the writers whose work I know and trust handle sections on financial or statistical material for me or provide graphics that are beyond my capabilities. Otherwise, whenever I get a major project like that, I just write it all myself.

BrighterWriter, he wasn't actually admitting to relying on Wikipedia; he was clumsily trying to accuse me of doing that (as usual), but he's just too dopey to figure out how to communicate that clearly. Don't expect any kind of answer from Stu about his company, either. You see, while you and I and most others on this forum openly admit to being here because we're either customers or writers or writing company reps, Stu pretends to be some kind of objective "observer" who doesn't have any direct financial interest in being here in the first place. His habit, as I pointed out above, is to invade any thread on any topic of discussion including those in which I haven't even posted) to launch his totally unprovoked attacks against me while ignoring the actual topic of any semi-intelligent conversation in the thread. He's continually trying his best to convince readers that all I do is "rewrite" Wiki articles because that's about the only way he can hope to "compete" against any writers whose posts on this forum demonstrate (at the very least) that we can actually communicate in grammatically correct English. His mantra is that customers shouldn't use American writers like me who can actually speak and write in good English because good academic essay writing requires much more than just communicating in good English. Of course, that's a straw-man argument because nobody's ever suggested that writing good English is the only skill an academic writer needs. He's (previously admitted that he's) never seen a single thing I've ever written about anything beyond my forum posts, but he continually spouts off about how "poor" my research skills must be. Meanwhile, he's never demonstrated any of his own supposedly fantastic research skills either, but he's hoping some customers might really be dopey enough to believe that the worse his English is the better his research skills must be just because he's not an American. His ridiculous premise is that every ESL writer must, necessarily, be a better researcher than every American writer, as though it somehow follows logically that being unable to put together even the shortest sentence in correct English is some sort of "evidence" that he's some fantastic researcher because he can barely communicate in written English.

First, it's not a yes-or-no question; second, it depends a lot on whether it's a private client or a company order.

When it's a company order, my first priority is just making sure that I don't get stuck with a rewrite situation, which can happen when the specs request two elements that are mutually exclusive. The problem is, if I phrase my communication as a question, I can't start writing until a response comes in. Since I specialize in rush orders, that's not practical. Usually, I'll phrase my message along the lines of letting the customer know there's a need to make one choice or the other and I indicate that, in view of the short deadline, I'll be making that choice on my end if a response isn't received by such and such time. In some situations, I'll just explain that it's absolutely impossible to fulfill the specs in the assignment sheet they provide and the specs they requested in their order description, such as where the sheet clearly says "300-word MINIMUM per question" but they only ordered 2 pages for 4 such questions. I'll suggest they add more pages to the order and I'll cover myself by advising them that if no response is received in time to make their deadline, I'll answer the 4 questions as fully as possible in 2 pages and that they can just order more pages afterwards if they need the answers expanded.

Other times, it's clear from the order that the customer had a choice in answering one question or the other or in taking a specific position on an issue. Typically, I might ask whether they're already locked into that choice and suggest that one of the other choices would be easier to write an A-quality paper if it's all the same to them. Other times, the order asks me to take a really stupid position on a social or ethical dilemma. I'll explain that if they really want me to, I can certainly write the "best" bad argument about why the drinking age should be lowered, why same-sex marriage should be prohibited, or why atheism is immoral if that's the position they've actually been assigned, but I'll suggest that if the choice of what position to take on the topic is still up to them, they might want to trust me when I tell them that it would be much easier to give them an intelligent essay arguing the other side of the position if that's acceptable. (As a general rule, anytime you use a writer, you should always leave any choices in the assignment up to whomever is actually writing it and never just make that choice on your end because that topic "sounds interesting" or whatever.)

When it comes to private clients, there's no communication lag because there's no message system in between us; and I don't have to worry about making sure that I won't be responsible for a rewrite as between the company and me arising from any ambiguity in the order. Since we're in direct email and/or phone contact, I'll go into much more detail and make sure any conceivable ambiguity is resolved beforehand. My private work is usually scheduled much more in advance than the work I take from companies, so response time isn't as critical, which makes things easier to get straightened out in time.

Wow. Those questions were from bluezinc1, but who slipped this guy the truth serum?

What most students know is that it's spelled Wikipedia.

As usual, all of the first 20 posts in this thread are legitimate contributions to the discussion topic from forum members who present themselves honestly as writers and as company reps and who are all capable of having a civil conversation about their industry even though most of them are direct competitors. Also as usual, the only nonsense and unprovoked baseless attack against others comes from the one forum member here who dishonestly refers to himself as an "observer" instead of admitting to having an obvious financial reason for being here and an equally obvious reason to try to disparage competitors.

Here's the thread topic of conversation reposted below for your convenience. Instead of expressing your continual hatred for me simply because I can actually express real ideas in complete, grammatically correct sentences in the English language, why don't you just dazzle everybody here with your most articulate response to some of the questions posed by the OP?

My Internet research methods are very basic and I subscribe to a couple of databases. My topic range and knowledge base are already wide enough without branching very far out into areas I don't already know something about and I hate researching. A lot of time, the clients provide the research materials so I just have to go through them. I don't really make outlines; I just start with a few headings and subheadings based on the material and I make a little note reminding me roughly how long they're all supposed to be based on how long the paper is supposed to be. Sorry if that's less help than you were hoping for, but I'm probably a better skating instructor than a research and writing teacher.

I don't think you understand my main point: namely, that your premise equating quality and writing time is flawed (except for very inexperienced writers who probably shoudn't be taking money for their work quite yet unless they charge a lot less than the most experienced writers). For me, the actual writing is usually the easiest part of every project (even the hardest/longest ones) and everything I write comes out at the same quality once it's written. If a project takes longer than usual, that time is mostly spent on going through the materials and/or learning whatever I need to know about it to formulate my ideas. Once I start hitting the keys, my hardest jobs take no longer than my easiest and the relative quality of what you might consider my "first draft" is the same in both cases. Basically, what I'm trying to say is as long as you (meaning anybody, not necessarily, you) views the writing aspect of this as the challenge, you're not really capable of doing this for a living quite yet.

Look at it like this sports analogy: If you play hockey at any serious level, the last thing you're ever thinking about or worrying about is your skating, because it's totally automatic and you always skate just as well and just as fast when you play great as when you stink up the ice. As long as you're concerned about how well you can skate backwards or turn and stop in both directions, you're not really playing hockey yet, but still learning how to skate well enough to play the game. The "writing" part of this job is very much like skating is to a hockey player.

Exactly. I've never written more than 30 pages in any one day and couldn't even imagine writing even 20 pages per day consistently.

I know only one writer who has ever said he writes 20 pages on a daily basis but I would find that impossible to maintain. I've written 20+ pages in a day many times but I've only done that for more than 1 or 2 days at a time very rarely. It's draining and I need to recuperate afterwards. To keep up that kind of output, I imagine that you'd need to be very disciplined and lock yourself into regular 9-to-5 hours in your home office as though you were going out to work a regular job 5 days a week. I do whatever's necessary to meet all my deadlines, but I don't keep any "schedule" and I sleep and wake up and work when I want to, and usually, in my boxers with the TV or radio on.


I don't know anything about that particular company, but I totally disagree with that quoted statement. I only wish I wrote my own college papers as well as I've written the thousands I've written for other people. In my experience and opinion, nobody who does this for a full-time living would ever speak in terms of taking personal "ownership" of the work or of "deliberating over this word or that sentence" because the two concepts are largely unrelated. Wasting time deliberating over words and sentences is a function of inexperience as a writer, not level of concern or "ownership" of the work. Experienced writers don't have to do that, whether it's for their own work or a paying customer's. Only very inexperienced writers would find themselves ever having to make the conscious choice to be more careful or less careful about the words and sentences they use.

It's much more about the evolution of your writing process as you gain experience than about how much you care about or "own" a particular project. When you start doing this, there may be a very significant difference between your first draft and your final copy; and you may need to print out your writing, wait a day, and then read it from a fresh point of view to spot everything that needs to be fixed. When you've written thousands of essays and routinely bang out 10 pages in a sitting (or 15 pages in two sittings with a break in between), your first "draft" comes out around 95% as good as your most polished work. When an inexperienced writer edits and proofreads his work, he's finding and correcting major stuff; when I look over whatever I just wrote, I'm finding maybe one missing word or article or one or two typos here and there and maybe one sentence in the entire piece that needs to be rewritten because it starts out one way and ends differently or just repeats something earlier in the paragraph. The point is, my finished copy is just as good whether it's for me or for a paid project and it's only very inexperienced writers (who probably shouldn't be taking money for their work just yet) who ever have to make any kind of conscious decision about how good their writing or work is going to be to get them done.

Nope. When you start doing this for the first time, the idea of writing a 10-pg paper in a day seemed like a pretty big deal, just like it is for most students. In my opinion, if you have the writing skills, it's more about realizing what you can do and gaining confidence. On the other hand, if writing well isn't something that's a natural ability for you, it's going to be tough to improve your skills enough to do this for a living consistently and most days of your life.


No, I don't stick to just the 3 fields of my formal degrees (History, Psychology, Law); but no, I don't do what "Ed Dante" described doing either, because he just lied to clients telling them he had a degree in whatever subject they needed. When someone asks me about a Nursing or Philosophy project, I don't claim to have a Nursing or Philosophy degree the way Dante said he did. I just explain that I've done hundreds of assignments in each of those fields and that I'm very confident with it, if that's the case. There are many topics that I know more about today just from reading and being an informed person than I know about many areas of History (healthcare reform, housing bubble collapse, etc) and also just from having an interest in them (aviation, veterinary science, etc). The list of academic fields and subjects in which I routinely write A-quality essays is much longer than my short list of formal degrees, but I still err very much on the safe side and decline projects that I'm not confident about, but it really has nothing to do with what degrees I have. There are some topics within my formal degree areas that I wouldn't touch and many topics that are totally outside of those areas that I do all the time.


I don't do any research or studying that isn't specific to an actual pending project. When you do this for a living, you get pretty good at learning about stuff quickly and figuring out where to find what you need to know. At first, I relied more on all the books in my library and my father's that he left me, but there's obviously much more information available online. Basically, if it a subject area I'm comfortable writing about, I know how to find out whatever I need to know to do the project well.


I can't imagine "aiming" for less than an A-quality paper. In my experience, writing speed is not as related to quality as you seem to think it is. In fact, if anything, it's backwards from what you're assuming: usually, the easier the topic is for me the faster I write it and vice-versa. If there's a "trick" involved, it's not about learning how to write faster; it's about learning how to identify subjects and topics that are within your strongest areas and choosing those topics over others that you might be able to do if you had no choice but that will be more difficult to do well and that will take much longer.

Thank you.


I do understand why you might have that impression, but it's very difficult to answer the exact same questions from person after person with the same patience one might have for those questions the 1,000th time as the 1st time. Generally, I don't use salutations in emails because I'm usually busy on someone else's project when I respond to your emails. You're not the first person who misconstrued that as gruffness, but I do understand. I'm also pretty confident that once you get your paper from me, you won't really care about my "gruffness."

Incidentally, you know who has impecable "people skills" and an endlessly patient customer service tone? Every scammer, because gaining your confidence before they rip you off is their entire job. Since they're not going to actually be writing whatever you pay them to write, they can afford to put 100% of their efforts into convincing an endless stream of first-time/last-time ripped off customers to pay them. Those of us with multiple overlapping deadlines that we actually have to complete every single day don't have as much time to worry about how every one of our emails sounds. I'm guessing you'd rather get "gruff" emails and a very good paper than much warmer emails and no paper...or a plagiarized paper.


Thank you, again.

There are two different issues: (1) writing company hiring policies and (2) freelance writers' practices.

Since I've only worked as a writer, I have no idea how any writing companies handle things when they get applications from foreign writers. My comments have more to do with how honestly (all) service providers represent their services. We've seen countless foreign-based ESL freelance writers who deliberately create Western-sounding pseudonyms, and email addresses with some form of "UK" in them, and who also deliberately use UK spelling and idioms to trick customers into believing they're dealing with an ENL writer. I see requests all the time for "UK-educated writers only" and I've never tried to create a "UK" email or responded to any of those requests with an email full of UK spelling. I've responded to those requests explaining that I'm confident with the topic and that I can write in UK English, but I don't misrepresent (expressly or impliedly) that I'm a US and not a UK writer. But for this phenomenon, I don't think there'd ever have even been any argument on this forum about ESLs vs. ENLs in the first place.


I've mentioned this before, but the 3 biggest influences on my writing were my father and uncle (German Jews), and a high school English teacher (Chinese), every one of them a bona-fide grammarian who learned English as a second language. So, I'm the last person to suggest that ESLs "can't" ever become great writers in English.

Nobody here has been arguing that ESLs can't be good writers; they should just be honest about it when they're asked and also by not using tricks like Western pseudonyms and "UK" emails to create the false impression that they're ENLs and not ESLs when they're not asked. To be perfectly honest, I wasn't acknowledging that ESL customers may prefer ESL writers as much as I was just granting it for the sake of argument, because it's certainly possible. However, in my experience, that just hasn't been the case, because even ESL customers seem to want the best and most fluent ENL writers their money can buy. Sometimes, they do ask me to use simple language and easy vocabulary, and any good ENL writer can do that for them. Other times, they specifically want it written to the best of my abilities and I've done dozens of essays for one particular ESL customer who always asks, very specifically, for "grammatically complex" sentences and "a lot of big words."

I'll give you a rational answer:


I'm assuming you mean that there are potential downsides (not "downgrades") to both ESL and ENL writing. It makes perfect sense for ESL students to use ESL writers, just as it makes perfect sense for ENL students to prefer ENL writers. There are 2 important differences though: (1) No ENL writer ever misrepresents to prospective clients that he's ESL when he's really ENL, and (2) In many cases, a good ENL writer can always write more simply by the request of an ESL client.


Right. Now, just apply that concept of "providing services" to ENL customers who don't want to be duped into using an ESL writer by misrepresentation. To use your example, a Chinese student purchasing writing in Chinese probably prefers a native Chinese speaker to a foreign speaker of his language because there are obvious differences to any native Chinese speaking audience, and notwithstanding that some foreign Chinese speakers may manage to reach the same level of Chinese language proficiency as native speakers. The point is that the whole "providing services" concept begins with truth in advertising. One of the pre-sale "services" that all customers have the same right to expect is truthful representation.

Americans who write great Chinese shouldn't create a Chinese-sounding pseudonym and an email address that is designed to look more like the service provider is Chinese. Nobody objects to ESL writers offering their services to ENL clients as long as they're honest about it, and nobody's denying that some ESLs can write in perfect English. The problem is simply that many ESL writers purposely misrepresent themselves as ENL, precisely because they know that most ENL customers specifically want only ENL writers. All you have to do is look through old forum threads here to find hundreds of examples of ESL writers who say that the "services" they provide do not include honest disclosure to customers because they say that it "shouldn't matter." Meanwhile, every one of their posts illustrates the types of idiomatic (and other) obvious mistakes in their writing that just scream "ESL" to any ENL audience. No ENL students are looking for that in anything they pay hard-earned money for in this industry. They usually want something that's written better than they can write or at least no worse.

If all ESL writers "provided services" that include truth in advertising, nobody would have a problem with them. Just represent your ESL or ENL status truthfully and let the customers decide whether or not it "matters" to them that their writers are ENL or ESL.

How 'bout that?

I agree, but I believe the Stu4 account is actually used by several different people with ESL skills that range from not very good to unbelievably atrocious.

...And "may be" only customers who want to pay hard-earned money for writing in exactly this level of English-language fluency should "ask to" Academic Sciences for their services.

Stu4 is a very jealous competitor who really should worry much more about just learning how to write in English that isn't laughably bad instead of worrying so much about me and my professional practices.

Exhibit A:


There's no need to just take my word for it: his nearly 1,000 previous posts all over this forum accurately represent his "English" writing abilities, just as my posts accurately represent mine.

Exhibit B:


The Defense rests.

Because my work is good, I have been approached many times by essay company customers asking to "work with me directly" instead of through the essay companies, and frequently, through this forum.

I've always declined and explained that I cannot take work from any customers who have already placed orders with any of the companies that use my writing.

If they care to chime in, there are probably a few customers reading these posts who can verify that I've declined their work for precisely that reason. I've never included (or embedded) my name, e-mail, phone number, or any other contact information in even one of the thousands of papers I've written for any essay company in the decade that I've been writing for them, either.

Stu4 is a very jealous competitor who really should worry much more about just learning how to write in English that isn't laughably bad instead of worrying so much about and my professional practices.

Unlike him, those of us who are simply legitimate American writers earning a living by writing well don't need to "compete" by continually attacking any other writers (or essay companies) totally unprovoked to try to ruin their reputations.

There's no need to just take my word for it: his nearly 1,000 previous posts all over this forum accurately represent his "English" writing abilities, just as my posts accurately represent mine.

I don't understand this part. Are you saying somebody at the essay company impersonated you and approved it without your consent or that someone went into your account on your end without your permission and approved it?

If a company operates as suggested in that video, wouldn't they also just send out the same few great "samples" they may have on file and falsely represent them as the writing of all their writers instead of sending out samples actually written by unqualified writers?

You should probably put your request on essaychat and include an email address for writers to contact you instead of doing it here where writers would have to break the forum rules by offering to write for you.

Glad you got it reversed, PV. Unfortunately, it sounds like PayPal is taking the hit and letting him get away with another $800 score. I've been approached by several of these rip-off artists. They pretend to be students but offer me work at a very specific price (which is not how customers typically inquire about work) or they give me very detailed specs for a paper along with research materials and they ask for a specific delivery date and respond to my price quote with "OK! Payment is on the way!" or something like that. No payment is ever received and then shortly before the due date, they contact me asking for an "update" on their project, probably just hoping that I forgot to check for payment or that I'll scramble to schedule it thinking I forgot about a project I owe them. When I respond that I have nothing scheduled for them because they never paid me, they usually respond along the lines of "If you just do this one project for me on trust and your work is good, I promise that I'll pay in advance for many future projects...do we have a deal?" That's when I block their email address.

I recognized the phrase "conference poster" from the thread on here by someone trashing Verb and claiming he'd received "plagurised" work from Verb (Alan). I know Verb's work, so I just told the guy that if he's the same person trashing Alan here, to please leave me alone. Guy writes back "who's Alan?" So, I tell him the assignment is out of my areas but (since he claims not to know who Verb is) I tell him he's in luck because I happen to know another good, honest U.S. writer who can probably help him (which was 100% true). That way, if he's not the idiot trashing Verb here, he's just been referred to another good writer and if he is the same idiot trashing Verb here, he can get lost.

His very first email to me (with headers):
In a message dated 4/26/2013 8:11:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, archiehopenorthampton@gmail writes:

hi there i was doing some research of writers and through essayscam i discovered you.
basically ill explain my situation. my mother has cancer and im studying a masters degree at the uni but because of my mothers condition ive falled behind on my work. i hired another writer whos work was not only plagurised but to a poor level of writing. ive now thus been left in the lurk in terms of an assignment. what i require is a fast responding high quality writer. i wondered if you could help and what your charge would be? im out righqjt now but believe the work i need is 1200 words in the form of a conference poster and around 2000 in a business plan assignment

let me know

archie hope

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When he responded "who is Alan?" I responded as follows:
Just recognized your email (I think)...if you're talking about Alan, then I'm not available...he doesn't plagiarize and I don't need the headache from anybody who thinks his work is no good...if I'm wrong about your ID, please disregard...but if this is the person posting about Alan on the forum, please don't contact me further...thank you and good luck to you

I cc'd the exchanges to Verb so he'd know what was going on with this guy on my end.


The emails about an identical "conference poster" assignment from someone else two days later with headers:

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Hi,

I was browsing through essaychat as I've now dealt with 3 writers, 1 who plagurised 54% of my work (fast writing@mail) and 2 other writers who did provide work and very fast but to such a low quality of academic writing that I was given a marginal fail by my university.

I'm therefore in need to find a writer who communicates back to me fast, is often online and can handle a university student who will provide up to date resources.

I must have a guarantee against plagurism (no more than 18% unless clearly referenced) and the reference list must actually contain books that are cited, quoted or used in the text.

Furthermore as I have a very good relationship with my tutor i am able to submit a 2page draft to most of them. So I will be able to get advice before submission from my tutors on the work.

On this basis i would ask that revisions can be made.
I will of course provide alot of resources aside it where I can.

Now I saw your post on essaychat and as a paypal verified member I wondered if you accepted paypal? And how much you would charge for the folllowing which are my assignments.

- Right now I have 1 business plan which I've written 2945 words. The word count allowed for the assignment is 3000 words excluding title/table of contents, appendix, references, titles.

what I need doing is a break even graph added and I will provide a list of financial glossry words to incorporate into the work. I also need more conceptual research done ie: faculties cost, a name of the company. Speadsheets on excel. And I will provide an A grade piece of work so you can see how to improve my work. i want this work as unique as possible but as similiar to the a grade work.

now I've already for copyright and protection reasons submitted this work in my name, so no plagiarism must be done as it's already patented to my name.

All I want after this is a conference poster continuing on from the plan about HRM done which is 1000 words and should be in PDF format. It will be about Human Resources needed for the business plan and should include stuff like diagrams, mind map etc.

I will need both of these in 6 days from today.

Is this something you can do as I will provide resources and if so? How much will the cost be?

Let me know thanks

Charlie

No problem. The customer might be confused but shouldn't really be upset because they still have the option of not doing anything different or paying any extra. The company would just be advising you that there's a very good chance that no writer will choose to take that particular order for the usual price. At least that puts you on notice and gives you the option of paying more to increase the chances that it will be completed. If you say no, they just repost it (or just leave it on the board as is, if no writer ever took it but contacted the company after reading the specs on the board) and the customer is still in the exact same position as before. If no writer ever takes it, the order would just be refunded the same as any other order that doesn't get taken off the board by any writer. If you place an order that represents a totally unrealistic amount of work for the usual price, you're better off at least finding that out as early as possible so you can decide what to do.

Some assignments are much harder than others, but generally, these assignments don't vary so widely in their complexity that this happens all that often. It's relatively rare that orders come in that require so much work that they're totally outside of the usual range of difficulty. There's not really an issue of fairness because: (1) the order posting process is automated, and (2) the companies I work for respond appropriately when one of their experienced writers notifies them that a particular order may not be realistic for the usual price. They notify the customer of the issue and let them decide whether they want to pay more for it, take their chances reposting it as is for other writers to consider, or cancel it for a full refund. That's about as fair as you can get all the way around.

No problem. It doesn't work that way because it's not practicable; and it doesn't happen on that many orders at all. The companies pay us a pre-established page rate and they also charge customers a pre-established page rate based primarily on the due date requested. We writers just see a virtual assignment board that posts all the available assignments and we just take whichever ones we want and ignore any we don't want. There's not really a practical way of implementing any automatic process that actually evaluates the complexity of the assignment description or that can identify an issue where the customer asks for a detailed 2-pg critical analysis of an obscure 400-pg book by its title, for just one example.

The essay companies that I write for all compute price based on page count and deadline. There's no mechanism for considering how much reading or work is actually involved. If you order an essay of just a few pages that requires some ridiculous amount of reading, the order is unlikely to get taken by any writer and you'll eventually just get a full refund. If the order doesn't specify the amount of reading involved, a writer may take the order, but if the files you subsequently upload require a ridiculous amount of reading, the writer will probably contact the company and the company will ask the writer what price might be appropriate.

Then, the company will explain to you that the amount of reading required for your order exceeds what they can do for the ordinary price of an essay of a few pages in length and they'll give you the option to pay more for the work involved, repost it on the board just in case some other writer wants to do it at the original price, or cancel the order altogether. When you order from a freelancer, there's no automated system involved, so we'll usually ask about the project and maybe to see the reading before giving you a price. If the amount of reading or other work is out of proportion to the page count, we'll explain that it's just not cost effective to price that project per written page and we'll quote a price based on the amount of work actually required. I just had this happen last week: prospective client wanted only 1 page on each of 4 readings; but the readings were pretty long and complex.

I explained that I can't possibly do those for the price of 1 written page and just quoted a fair price based on the time and work involved on my end. Automated systems can't really do that but at legitimate essay companies, that's one of the things that customer service reps do.

There's nothing in your language use so far that would have tipped anybody off that you're ESL. Ironically, the ESLs who get most offended at the suggestion that their use of language makes it obvious are usually the very same ones who argue the hardest that it "doesn't matter" or "shouldn't matter" to prospective American, British, and Australian customers.

I don't think anybody here has any problem with ESL writers who admit they're ESL, just with those who argue that it's perfectly fine for them to misrepresent their ESL status to customers. There's also some rightfully deserved ridicule of ESL writers who maintain the position that being ESL "doesn't matter" when every sentence they type on this forum demonstrates the exact opposite.

I don't know anything about any companies, named or un-named, for whom I've never written and I no longer discuss any companies here that I do know something about. But once you actually receive a good essay from any company, chances are they are (presently) legit. The quality of future work at any company usually depends on which writer takes your order. If you want to play it really safe, just order a section at a time and, in general, once you find a specific writer whose work you like at any company, make it explicitly clear in future orders that you will only accept work from that writer and that you want a refund if that writer is unavailable and that you will dispute the charge with your cc company if you get a different writer without your specific approval in advance. Of course, if that particular writer declines the future work, you'll just get a refund instead of an essay written by someone else, but that's about the safest way you can play it if you have any concerns.

Apparently, your "secretary" was so busy finding a single missing-letter typo in my post that he/she missed at least 9 or 10 glaringly obvious mistakes and obvious signs of very bad ESL "English" in your last 3 unsuccessful attempts at composing a sentence in actual English.

Your logic is almost as good as your "English."

Scammers have no reason ever to defend other scammers; to them, any attacks questioning the credibility of any competitor would always be more than welcome. Legitimate writers compete against one another fairly, respectfully, and ethically. Real scammers (like you) "compete" by routinely lying outright about any competitor, especially those who are better and more successful than you. There are about half a dozen other legitimate writers here who know for a fact that both PV and I are two of the best and most-requested writers for some of the best companies in this entire industry and at least one other member here has access to the information necessary to corroborate or refute the truthfulness of that statement if she chooses to.


The only person you're being "scammed" by is this barely-English-speaking idiot "Stu4" whose posts you're taking seriously. Don't take my word for it: just use the search function to check his posting history on this forum and when you read his posts, also keep in mind that this same person actually takes money from people who need high-quality written work in the English language.

He's a direct competitor of mine (both on the essay company boards and as a freelancer) whose work and reputation I know well. If you already received the first piece of work you ordered from him, you have some real nerve posting a thread here like this asking whether or not he's a"scammer." As far as "plagurism" goes, either a plagiarism scan flagged it or it hasn't, and knowing PV as I do, I'm sure it hasn't. As far as quality goes, I also know the quality of his work and I can guarantee that if you need any of our services in the first place, you're not an apprpriate judge the of "quality" of anything that PV writes for you. You owe PV an apology and you should probably have done any necessary vetting and "Googling" of your writer before you hired him, not afterwards and publicly like this. As I said, PV and I are direct competitors, so I have nothing to gain from defending him. You're just way out of line.

Your friend would just have to dispute the charge with his credit card company by sending them the original order desription and whatever you received.