Another piece of advice: freelanceessaywriters.com/telling-people

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If by "outsmarted" you mean that a freelance writer would "steal" a company's client then it's usually risky for the "stealer" because if there is a problem with a completed paper, the client would (almost always) CC or BCC the company, too. When it happens, the company knows the writer "stole" their client.

Agreed.

I wonder which companies you mean. Legitimate American/British companies cannot "monitor progress" because they work with independent freelance writers. Scam companies don't care about the laws (or maybe the laws are different foreign countries regarding worker status).

There are more than one decent company in this industry (considering there are so many "essay services" available online). And they want to hear about their clients' problems (that's why they want to be discussed here). If they don't want to hear what is wrong or what could be improved, it may indicate they are happy where they are.

PS. I think half of the websites listed on the DND list are there for.. marketing purposes (ie. nobody has a chance to hear about them so it's better to be listed there than nowhere ;).

In such a case, I guess mods should leave the name for 24 hrs as a reference.


They aren't likely to be terrified. They probably don't want to waste time and resources on responding to subpoenas or to hosting companies that may bother them because some other company complains about this or that allegedly false statement.


Some posters mentioned the DND list may indicate "something relevant." If you think about it - what kind of websites would not like to be discussed here?

If ('Everything can be faked' = TRUE) then having more restrictions or no restrictions at all would not make a difference, would it.

It's true that almost everything can be faked, but some members like you can quickly notice BS and inform/warn others who are less experienced or perceptive.

In this case, it's clear for experienced members that the topic starter is a shill, as noticed by EW_writer ;). Order ID may give some idea if the order is likely to exist or not (most order ids are unique and are based on some semi-unique mathematical formula), but it is certainly not bullet-proof.

Then disappointed clients would go to sites like ripoffreport or similar which allow libel without reasonable recourse and post their complaints there. They allow libel because they have a team of full-time lawyers who protect them.


If libel is posted, it doesn't matter who owns the forum because the offending party has the right to threat of lawsuits or subpoenas. An "independent person" would be much more prone to making inside / unfair deals with other companies because he or she would not be considered a competitor and would not be subject to the Lehman Act (for example). I'm sure the owners of this forum would benefit (financially) much more if they sold it to an "independent party." Maybe that's what they should do (hint hint ;).

My point was that some freelancers may appear to be one person, but in fact they may hire subcontractors too.

One can argue that a contract starts with each new job and ends once the job is completed. A contractor is not obligated to take more jobs from the company after an old job is completed.


The article doesn't suggest that (and proves your statement about the article having been written by a company wrong ;). It rather implies that a company has much better chances of finding /offering an expert writer in a field requested by a client than a freelance writer who usually specializes in one or two fields only.


You cannot really know how many projects you may not be able to view ;).

That may not always be the case. Most (60-80%?) of essay services started as a freelance writer site; once a freelancer has too many orders, he/she may ask their colleagues for help; if they are successful, they may start cooperating with even more writers and establish a company ;).


Some companies do allow direct contact because:

1. By definition, a contract writer is not an employee and contractors compete directly with companies.

2. If a client is not satisfied with a contractor's work, it is very likely he/she will email (CC or BCC) the company about that and then the company can easily find out the contractor may be trying to directly "steal" customers.


That's understandable you may be irritated by that..

btw. Here is an interesting article comparing Freelance Essay Writers with Essay Companies. Do you agree with the "negatives" of hiring a freelance writer?

You need to realize that some companies own 50+ websites. Most companies own at least 5+ websites. So even if there are 100 websites on the DND list it is likely that only 2-3 companies don't want to be discussed here ;).


IMO, all companies that are discussed here benefit either indirectly, directly, or both:

- Indirect Impact: Domain name mentioned in the forum increases the domain's reputation score and defines its theme in search engines. Since the forum is 100% devoted to discussions about essay writing / essay industry / essay writers, it helps search engines categorize the domain correctly in their indexes and increase their rankings. The knowledge about the powerful indirect impact is known to SEO experts only, but it doesn't change the fact the impact is there ;).

- Direct Impact: If the outcome of a discussion is neutral or mostly positive, the direct benefit is right there. It is very unlikely a forum visitor who is trying to decide if to order from websiteA.com is going to read all posts about websiteA. Most potential clients don't like to write and read (especially complaints written in broken English ;-). Those who don't know any particular website can just find a random topic and decide to order from them. If a website is not mentioned anywhere at all, there are zero chances of finding them.

That's not all. I think the most important deciding factor in ordering from websiteA.com that has been discussed here is the fact that the website is... discussed AT ALL. That is a guarantee that works like an extra insurance; if something goes wrong, the client can go back to the forum (or let the company know he/she will go back to the forum if problem is not solved) and try to resolve the problem. Personally, I would be leery of ordering from a website that is afraid of public scrutiny. Even if the website has great reputation, there are chances something goes wrong. Then what? Complain to managers who ignore your emails? Or call the police? Hmm...

I've read some great companies (unrelated to the essay business) actually PAY disgruntled customers and former workers to give them specific details on what went wrong and how to improve it in the future. While they won't be able to safe every relationship, they may be surprised at how many customers they can rescue. That is a smart way of getting closer to perfection.


If there is a legitimate complaint, there is no way of avoiding negative comments.

I think there is a big misconception about "competitors trying to destroy each other by posting libelous comments." From my experience, only a handful of topics (out of a couple of thousand) have been actually started by "a competitor" trying to put another website in a negative view. And it was usually a former disgruntled writer of the website, not the company itself. If anything, most negative topics about websiteX have been started by a few of disgruntled clients of the website. I believe a client who is not satisfied with the service has the right to complain and by customer rights standards it is not equal to defamation.

Besides, it's doubtful an actual competitor would want to waste time / resources AND risk potential lawsuit just to "defame" websiteX. EssayDirectory.com lists thousands of websites providing exactly the same service as websiteX. By "defaming" websiteX, there are very little chances a potential client would order from the "defamer," so his/her efforts would be both very risky and fruitless.

I just don't like manipulators. Here is an example of your manipulation that could be used against your own employer:

"I applied to work as a freelance writer at ******. They told me they only pay $8 per page and that their writers produce up to 50 pages a day."

The above sentence is true BUT you omitted the most crucial parts, ie.:

1. That you applied several years ago (at that time $8 or $9 per page was today's equivalent of $13-$15 per page).

2. That the average was on the low end (not mentioning the fact their writers bid per page and are given no upfront rates).

3. That the part about '50 pages a day' was in fact: "Our writers tend to produce between 0 and 50 pages a day, depending on how fast they work and which projects they are willing to take and if it's a research+writing or editing only project."

So you took the most extreme statements without providing the most relevant facts which would make your statements invalid.

That's why I'm surprised you are 'surprised' by my sarcasm because in fact your own post was full of 'sarcasms.' If you want to go by the extreme examples when describing a company, we can play this game, but you probably wouldn't like to see the results.

You're probably right. Students may have better luck with certified ESL writers from ******.

CopyRight != SubmitRight

Because I agree with some relevant statements made by amnateeb and EW_Writer whom you quoted above and replied "As usual, you don't know WTF you're "talking" about."

This is just common sense. What is FreelanceWriter's or other members opinion?

Not every. You may check the 2000 websites listed in EssayDirectory.com and will find many that don't.


Agreed. That is probably the major reason why some companies don't do a courtesy of transferring copyright claiming it is illegal (while 'courtesy period' - according to them - is legal).

Thinking more about it.. - "a courtesy waiting period" is just an indirect attempt to assist students in committing academic fraud. Changing it to "no courtesy waiting period" is one simple thing a company can do to meet its legal obligations.

How is transferring copyright different from giving a "courtesy waiting period?" The final effect is about the same (an attempt to assist students in committing academic fraud).


Not all companies.

I'm not sure if it is the fact; for me it looks more like one of many possible interpretations and we don't know what a judge would think.

And I don't know why you call it a crime - isn't it a misdemeanor? In what state is it a crime?


If we want to play a purist game (it seems legal interpretation doesn't exist in your books if you want to prove or disapprove your point) - let me ask this:

Do you REALLY think that a company providing custom essays to students have "no reason to believe" or "reasonably should not have known" that the customer "may" have intended to submit your paper for academic credit"?

Your interpretation makes sense to prove your point, but this is still one of many possible interpretations. ; ). A client may want to have copyright transferred to him/her to make sure the "custom paper" is never resold to other parties (the client paid a lot of money for the custom project so he/she doesn't want any other party to use it for a fraction of the paid price in the future). Owning the copyright to the project guarantees it will never be resold/reused again and this is a very valid reason why a client would want to have it transfered.

Besides, not owning the copyright does NOT guarantee that the paper will not be submitted for academic credit.

In that case smart students may prefer to choose a company that either doesn't resell their papers at all or resell them after, let's say, 10-50-100 years..


We've discussed it already and it's still unclear what US laws that specifically discusscopyright transfer of any academic work you mean. I couldn't find absolutely anything related to 'copyright' + 'transfer' + 'academic work' in these laws. Unless you mean that most companies don't transfer copyright to make sure their client doesn't submit the paper as his/her own, then I agree. But I still cannot agree that it is "illegal to transfer the copyright of any academic work" because I found no mention of that.

Great starting point: essaydirectory.com

This is actually a stretch of reality. A liquor store owner cannot and should not "definitely assume" a customer who buys a beer from him will drink and drive.. violating established Terms and laws at the same time.

.. writers are independent contractors so from the legal point of view they aren't much different from companies that cooperate with them.. at least this is how I understand it.

It also allows some companies to resell their "custom essays" after 6 months (if the "courtesy" lasted for 50 years it would be impossible or too inconvenient to do). But that's another story.. ;)

In that case, a company can write in their terms that as a courtesy to customers it will not resell the paper for 10 or 100 years. The final effect would be no different than transferring the copyright. The question is why some companies only allow 6 months, not 10 or 100 years..?

It looks the site is not very reputable after all: essaydirectory.com/search.php?q=essayscouncil

If there's nothing there, you're out of luck. If you find something valuable, post it here ;).

Have you checked EssayDirectory?

essaydirectory.com/search.php?q=co.nz

Find the errors in this "professional academic writer's website" graphic

The graphic was seen on a "professional academic writer's" website.

99%-100% of contractors in this business work and are paid on per-project basis. The client doesn't care how much time you may spend on the project and never will. Each project is completely different. Sometimes it's required to read a 200-page book to write a 5-page project.

It's like asking a genre painter to paint 4 paintings an hour. Makes little sense if you have any quality expectations.

Checking the essay website reputation at essaydirectory.com would be a good start.

My guess is they have a proof you are a cheat and fraud :} You're trying to scam a writing company?

2>1 so generally they are likely to be trustworthy.

Having read this discussion in more detail I conclude a legitimate US/UK based company should now think twice before working with an ESL writer (even an excellent one). Who'd want to work with someone who bites the hand that feeds them?

Have you checked their reputation at essaydirectory.com

I think it's a fail.

But if you have money to waste on a lawyer, good luck. If you win, Pepsi will finally be able to prove in court that their product tastes better than a Coke ;).

We concluded that an excellent ESL writer is often better than a poor or average native speaker.

Most clients would choose to work with an excellent ESL writer rather than a mediocre native speaker.